For the record, I could understand PvT occasionally jumping in to sell
things, but the "..we've got that for $..." and unsolicited postings of new
inventory coming in was simply annoying (at best. )
Heck, I've got business to do too, but I know my stay here would've been
short if I tried those tactics. Most people here (I think) just don't like
it.
John
Camtech
Gary Schloss wrote:
> PvT wrote:
>
> >I do not claim to be a photographer. I use the list for exposure, sure.
> >I may miss the mark, but it is an honest effort to help. [Often] other
> >people are interested in the item availability, not just the originator.
> >[...] I believe in what I'm doing. If I can help someone, that's very
> >gratifying. I'm learning everyday. I'm also learning tolerance. I hope
> >in the future I can be of assistance to [each one of] you.
>
> ... and in another message:
>
> >I have made a decision to bow out of responding, or posting, to the
> >digest/list. It is too frustrating to cope with having to justify every
> >response. My apologies to anyone we have offended. Enjoy your OLY year!
>
> Thus far, I stayed out of this thread -- mostly because:
>
> (a) PvT can take care of himself;
>
> (b) he has shown himself to have stamina, and took all the abuse
> from the list, some of it with plenty of vitriol and IMHO at
> times way too personal, rather gracefully; and
>
> (c) I was hoping that PvT and his detractors would quickly reach a
> modus vivendi, and we could put this mini "flame war" behind us.
>
> I won't speculate on why PvT seems to evoke such a visceral response,
> nor will I attempt to figure out why this most recent flareup was
> triggered by his ad for a Zuiko 180/f2 -- a truly hard-to-find item.
>
> Clearly, PvT is not very proficient with e-mail, and he could use
> plenty of training on netiquette as well as the use of text editing
> tools. God knows, he's not the only person on our list with these
> handicaps, and at his age computer skills are not easily acquired.
>
> Do I wish PvT had learned how to respond directly ("offline") to
> individual list members, thereby limiting his posts to the list?
> You betcha!!
>
> Would I like to be among the first to know that PvT has a Zuiko
> 350/f2.8, a 24mm shift lens, or <insert your favorite scarce item>
> in stock? Absolutely!!
>
> Would we all like PvT to drop his prices by 25 percent? I'll say!!
> (ok, ok, I digress -- but what else is new? :-))
>
> Unfortunately, on the net much like in life, one has to take the
> bad with the good. IMHO, the basic question ought to be: are we
> better off with the Olympus Guy off the list?
>
> While the answer may be not as straightforward as it is for some
> other list members, who are not shy promoting their business here,
> but whose technical contibutions are deemed too important to give
> up, I am not yet convinced that the "silent majority" of the OLY
> list has spoken.
>
> Until that happens, may I suggest publicly to PvT to hang in there,
> albeit in a squelched mode. (Paul, take a lesson from Bill Clinton:
> the less you comment, the more popular you get. ;-))
>
> To PvT's numerous detractors I say: based on some of his posts that
> I actually bothered to read, PvT is a good businessman. By all accounts,
> he seems to realize that he needs his customers more than they need him.
>
> Moreover, from time to time PvT shows some sense of humor, humility
> (phoney or not), and class. May I suggest that PvT's opposition take
> notice, or learn to use the DELETE key -- whatever comes more naturally.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /Gary Schloss.
> Studio City, CA
> schloss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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