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RE: [OM] B/W film specs

Subject: RE: [OM] B/W film specs
From: "Mike Stephens" <mike1964@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:31:49 -0500
Great summary, Ken, thanks!  This one goes in my 'archives'.

Mike

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> [mailto:owner-olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ken N
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> Subject: Re: [OM] B/W film specs
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> 
> I've shot a fair bit of B&W over the past two years and I've got
> a few opinions regarding Ilford and Kodak films.
> 
> Ilford Pan-F:  Tonal gradients that don't stop!  We're talking
> the smoothest gradients that run from the deepest blacks all the
> way up.  Grain is so fine that it is nearly impossible to use a
> grain-magnifier under the enlarger to focus the enlarger with. 
> Only disadvantage I've found with this film is that it isn't as
> dense as Kodak films so you will need to go up one grade in
> paper hardness.  Awesome film, incredible resolution, gradients
> beyond words.  ISO 50.  I tend to shoot it if I'm also shooting
> Velvia.
> 
> Ilford FP4:  I haven't shot enough of it, but it seems to be
> nearly identical to Kodak Plus-X.  Fine grain (but visible),
> excellent gradients, terrific contrast.  Seems to work well with
> grade-2 paper.  Haven't personally shot enough to be comfortable
> with it.
> 
> Ilford HP5:  Typical 400 speed B&W film.  Doesn't like TMAX
> developer as it will clump the grain into strands.  Tonal
> gradients very similar to Tri-X, but the overall grain structure
> isn't as pleasing as Tri-X.  Easy to work with in the darkroom.
> Ilford is running a special where they sell packages of 8x10
> paper and include two rolls of HP5.  The paper is slightly
> cheaper than their normal packages and you get two rolls of free
> film.  This was keeping me stocked with B&W film, but I
> personally do not like the grainy film.  Good resolution.
> 
> Kodak Tri-X:  Since we're talking 400 speed films, Tri-X is the
> KING of B&W films.  There will never be a better all-around
> film. Grain structure is legendary. Tonal gradients seem to be
> ideal for people photography and gives skin tones a glow not
> present in any other film--even HP5 and Neopan 400.  There are
> probably more soup combinations for Tri-X than any other film. 
> You can, with the right chemicals, shoot this film at ISO 6400
> and still get usable results or pull process down below ISO 100.
> Grain doesn't clump, strand, or turn into paisley patterns like
> other films will.  Wonderful film.  I'd shoot 100% Tri-X if the
> grain was smaller.
> 
> Kodak TMAX 400:  I've mostly shot this film in medium format as
> the grain is a bit obnoxious (visible and indescribable
> strangeness) in 35mm.  In medium format it holds together well
> enough to get excellent prints with in softer lighting.  I do
> not care for TMAX 400 when the scene has harsh lighting as the
> highlights are a bear to work with.  This is not a film you can
> overexpose as the highlights block up on you in a most
> aggressive manner.  Decent gradients, tighter grain, but not
> Tri-X.  Good, subtle, shadow detail.
> 
> Kodak T400CN:  No grain!  Excellent highs and lows, but no
> gradients inbetween.  Resolution is variable depending on
> density.  High values (highlights) tend to be exceptionally
> sharp (as sharp as Ilford Pan-F), but the shadows are MUDDY!  I
> thought I really liked this film and I praised it highly on this
> list.  That was with limited darkroom time with it.  I have
> since, completely halted using it or any other C-41 processed
> B&W film.  The base is too dark to work with making darkroom
> work a chore.  I've had to up the paper-grade to 4 just to get
> solid contrasts out of the film.  Gradients are similar to that
> of a duotone.  Not a smooth film.  If you get good skin tones,
> the rest of the print turns to mush.  But, this film is
> essentially grainless!  If you can figure out the contrasts and
> gradients, this would be a good film.  Meanwhile, I have a
> couple hundred pictures to figure out.
> 
> Kodak Plus-X:  This is the Tri-X of ISO 125 speed.  What more
> can I say?  Grain is small and relatively well behaved. 
> Negatives are dense and contrasty.  Terrific gradients and skin
> tones.  My only problem with Plus-X is the grain is quite
> aggressive for the speed and appears to be a bit 'edgy'.
> 
> Kodak TMAX 100:  Terrific grain and resolution.  Resolution
> probably is the same as Ilford Pan-F, but with a different grain
> pattern.  I would rate TMX better than the Ilford Pan-F in skin
> tones (must be the way Kodak engineers their film) and is twice
> as fast.  Grain pattern is 'edgy' (that word again) in
> comparision to Pan-F and I'm not sure how it would respond to a
> real Unsharp Mask being used in an enlarger.  Tonal curves have
> always thrown me on TMX, but I've learned much more about
> development options with TMX that makes me want to spend some
> serious time with it.  Negative density is higher than Pan-F so
> a slightly softer paper grade can be used.  My problem with TMX
> (and TMY) has been blocking up of the highlights.  Although,
> less prone with TMX (100) than TMY (400) it is still present. 
> According to Kodak, TMAX films are highly contrast controllable
> in development with just time adjustment.
> 
> Overall, I absolutely love Ilford Pan-F, but it pushes your
> lenses and is so fine grained and high resolutioned as to reveal
> flaws in your lenses.  This is an incredible film, but does
> require a harder paper grade which reveals emulsion flaws.  You
> will use a lot of nose grease with this film.
> 
> Going back through my negatives and doing some reprinting this
> week has shown me that the best overall film for me--at this
> time, is TMAX 100.  The sharpness, speed, tonal smoothness,
> contrast, grain structure and color response seem to match my
> vision the best.  (only if Tri-X was grainless)  This film is
> about the easiest to work with in the darkroom too.  Except for
> the highlights, but we're working on that...
> 
> Note:  This is with silver-nosed lenses.  Your results may vary.
> 
> AG-Schnozz
> 
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