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Subject: Re: [OM] Kodak's 14MP SLR (Foveon sensor)
From: Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:21:07 -0500
At 12:22 PM +0000 10/28/02, olympus-digest wrote:
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:56:30 -0800
>From: Winsor Crosby <wincros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [OM] Kodak's 14MP SLR
>
> >
> >Winsor,  
> >          It should be very approximately 3 time better for Foveon, 
> >because the normal Beyer pattern reduces the area per colored pixel 
> >by approximately 3, while the Foveon chip does not. (stacked 
> >vertically rather than horitontally)  This means if the depth of the 
> >pixel diffusion layers in the case of Foveon, are the same as the 
> >filter layer of a conventional chip the shading effect is greatly 
> >reduced. The lateral angle of acceptance would be much greater 
> >allowing wider angle lenses.  It could be even better than this, 
> >since the sensor pixel area is reduced still further by metalization 
> >and interconnect between pixels on th chip surface. This added 
> >overhead is probably greater for smaller pixels putting them even 
> >deeper realtive to Foveon. One might guess the diffusions in 
> >Foveon's chip are also thinner than an on-chip filter, improving 
> >things further.  In fact for the first layer there should be little 
> >to no lat! eral effect. This means the sensitivity drop off with 
> >lateral light rays is probably different for the three colors 
> >leading to yet another variation in color sensitivity with extreme 
> >wide angle lenses! This may be a negative for Foveon but given the 
> >chip should work with much wider angle lenses to start with it is 
> >probably still much better.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tim Hughes
> >TimHughes@xxxxxxxx
>
>That is interesting and I am sure you are right, but I am not 
>entirely convinced.  If you put a recessed sensor in a chip and then 
>create one 3 times as wide and 3 times as deep I am not sure that you 
>have gained anything.  Since the bigger sensor elements are probably 
>thicker it is probably more than 3 times as deep.
>
>I looked at the Foveon site again and I really do not understand it. 
>It seems to me that one would have to still filter the elements, but 
>if you did the bottom two elements would get no light. They say they 
>are using the silicon substrate essentially as a filter since 
>different colors penetrate to different depths.  Perhaps it is 
>digital math.  The top layer measures all the light.  The second 
>layer measures the red and the green, and the bottom layer measures 
>just the red. Some subtraction and you get the values. So I guess the 
>question is whether three transparent Foveon sensors and two silicon 
>layers of the required filtering thickness is thicker than a single 
>mosaic sensor and filter.
>- -- 
>Winsor Crosby
>Long Beach, California
>

Foveon's technology is patented.  Search at the US Patent and Trademark 
office's patent-search site <www.uspto.gov> for assignee="foveon" or 
inventor="mead; carver" (the use of a semicolon is intentional).

Joe Gwinn


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