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Re: [OM] Is 4x6 the real standard?

Subject: Re: [OM] Is 4x6 the real standard?
From: dreammoose <dreammoose@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:40:12 -0800
Ah, something photographic to discuss. Thanks Schnozz!

I'm certainly with you about 4x6 prints. They can be sooo misleading about what's on the film

Sharpness/detail: C.H. points out that there may be more detail there than you think - but I don't want to view my images a little bit at a time through a loupe. And there is still way more detail there than is on the film. Take a look at <http://home.attbi.com/0.000000E+00dreammoose/wsb/html/view.cgi-photos.html-MerchantID-50215-Publish-t-makestatic-true-skip-15.html> where I compared print and film scans of the same image.

Tonal range/contrast: In the same test scans, you can see the loss in tonal graduation in the print vs. the film scan. Also, the film has a broader range of brightness info than the print can produce. The machine makes it's own decision what to do with contrast and whether to blow out highlights and/or bury shadow detail. I just prepared an image for the web for a friend who was wise to bring along the negs as well as the prints. The sky in the background was just blank white on the print. The final result from a film scan has blue sky with distant hills and some close in plant detail where that white blob was on the print. I've had similar experiences where most of the detail I shot for ends up lost in shadow on the print, but is all there on the film.

Color/saturation: Take film to the drug store Kodak processing and I get these BRIGHT prints with lots of contrast and wild oversaturation. Eyecatching, but hardly related to what the subject looked like.On the other hand, take Portra 160NC in for Kodak Royal or Fuji Professional processing and the world looks gray and subdued in the prints. This shot <http://home.attbi.com/0.000000E+00dreammoose/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-197925.html> , taken under low clouds on a rainy afternoon on Supra 800 came out on the print looking soft, gray, blah, the kind it's easy to skip by as a failure. The shot isn't the failure, at least I'm proud of it, but the print sure was. Take a pic of a range of wonderful, subtle shades of green foliage, the machine tries for something like neutral overall color balance for the print, and colors never seen in nature appear on the print.

If you rely on 4x6s, you are missing out on much of the images you capture, and may never know it. And it fails worst for me on some of the very types of images I am most interested in making. They even skipped printing one image on my last roll, presumeably thinking it was a wasted shot. It was an intentional shot, but red-orange sunset light coming through leaves and a window and throwing the shadow of an old fashioned broom against the wall, with much of the frame just black, didn't look much like a 'picture' to the processor, I guess. I basically look at 4x6s as proofs. I'm starting to get reasonably good at seeing from the print what potential likely lies in the negative. I'd certainly like a better means of proofing. I've tried PictureCD, but wasn't very impressed.

The other problem for those of us on the net, is the limitations of reasonably sized image files. With a lot of web images, it's really impossible to tell much about the full quality of the original. At least you can get color, contrast, etc. right. Apparent sharpness is often more a measure of the skill with which the down sampling/sharpening was done than the sharpness of the original image. And those JPEGed skies, ugh!

Certainly, 4x6s let a lot of the capability of the OM system go to waste.

Moose

AG Schnozz wrote:

Are 4x6 prints the real standard for comparision?  Have we
reduced ourselved to this point?
<snip>
If you limit your "world", anything will do.  If you're happy
with what you are currently getting, you are not expecting
enough from yourself or your photography.

Ask yourself this question:  Are you "Zuiko-worthy?"



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