Piers:
:-))
Pass the tatties, neeps & Nuits St. George...
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On 12/1/2004 at 9:32 AM Piers Hemy wrote:
>I did not intend to imply that *you* had heard anything Earl. Nor did I
>intend to *imply* that *I* had heard anything. I DID hear what I
>described,
>on several occasions, from the lips of several people who turned out to be
>of Canadian origin, though my intent was not to create a stereotype, any
>more than my choosing to spell colour that way emphasizes another
>stereotype
>(I chose to spell 'emphasize' that way too).
>
>However, your description of what the sound is and isn't seems perfectly
>fine to me, and we have the difficulty of using the alphabet to represent a
>variety of subtly different sounds - a bit like using a 4Ti to drive in
>Robertson screws (!), a job it could accomplish, but wasn't designed for.*
>
>I see your point about the possible Scots origin, which wasn't previously
>obvious to me, perhaps because the rest of the spoken context was not
>obviously Scots either. But I don't doubt that Scots rather than English
>is
>the greater part of the English speaking Canadian heritage - they didn't
>stop at Nova Scotia, as several place names testify - Banff and Calgary
>come
>immediately to mind as being a little to the west.
>
>;-)
>
>--
>Piers
>
>* NB preposition at end of sentence! Let's live a little.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>Of Earl Dunbar
>Sent: 01 December 2004 03:54
>To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [OM] Re: Philips; cross-point; posi-drive; Robertson
>
>
>I have NEVER heard a Canadian pronounce it "uh-BOOT", as several have
>implied. A common pronunciation is to add just a bit more "u" vowel sound,
>so it =sounds= more like "uh-boot" (or "hoose") to those who are used to
>hearing "uh BOWT", as in "ouch". But it is actually just that the duration
>of the "u" sound is very slightly longer. What non-Canajian speakers do is
>over-emphasize the difference so as to create a stereotype.
>
>I think the influence is Scottish more than anything else, eh? People
>think
>of present day Canada as being founded by the English and French, which in
>actuality from a cultural viewpoint it's closer to Scottish and French. I
>won't go down the road of the real founding cultures, the aboriginal
>nations
>of Canada, lest I stir up major OT traffic.
>
>Earl
>
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>On 11/30/2004 at 11:39 PM Piers Hemy wrote:
>
>>I had never heard of Robertson heads either until the reference here a
>>week or so ago (thank you List)
>>
>>But on the other hand, if I am unsure whether someone is of US or
>>Canadian origin, I make sure to listen for the magic word "aboot" which
>>in my experience is a clincher. I had no idea that it was a 'feature'
>>known-about
>>in Tennessee, and of course it doesn't mean that every Candian
>>pronounces it that way, but everyone that I have come across who does
>>pronounce it that way *has* turned out to be Canadian.
>>
>>--
>>Piers
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On
>>Behalf Of Garth Wood
>>Sent: 30 November 2004 20:37
>>To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [OM] Re: Philips; cross-point; posi-drive; Robertson
>>
>>--snip
>>
>>> I never heard of a Robertson fastener until this all got started.
>>> Must be a closely-kept secret of the Frozen North. I mean, the folks
>>> up there tend to call a house a hoose and pronounce "about" like one
>>> of those things I wear one per foot when I go hoofing it off road.
>>> No telling what they call a good screw.
>>
>>--snip
>>
>>I'm not sure where the mispronunciation B.S. comes from -- I've never
>>pronounced "house" like anything else than "howse" or "about" like
>>anything else but "abowt," and I was born and raised in Central Canada
>(but
>now live
>>in the West, Thank God Almighty ;-) ). I've never *heard* them
>>pronounced
>>any differently, either, 'cept when our friends to the South claim we do.
>>My suspicion is that there's an enclave of Cape Bretoner/Newfoundlander
>>types that interact with the denizens of New England and produce the,
>>uh, interesting pronunciations in question.
>>
>>--snip
>>
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