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Subject: [OM] Re: Philips; cross-point; posi-drive; Robertson
From: "Piers Hemy" <piers@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:23:24 -0000
Hoots, mon? 

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Piers 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Earl Dunbar
Sent: 02 December 2004 04:01
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [OM] Re: Philips; cross-point; posi-drive; Robertson


Piers:

 :-))

Pass the tatties, neeps & Nuits St. George...


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On 12/1/2004 at 9:32 AM Piers Hemy wrote:

>I did not intend to imply that *you* had heard anything Earl.  Nor did 
>I intend to *imply* that *I* had heard anything.  I DID hear what I 
>described, on several occasions, from the lips of several people who 
>turned out to be of Canadian origin, though my intent was not to create 
>a stereotype, any more than my choosing to spell colour that way 
>emphasizes another stereotype (I chose to spell 'emphasize' that way 
>too).
>
>However, your description of what the sound is and isn't seems 
>perfectly fine to me, and we have the difficulty of using the alphabet 
>to represent a variety of subtly different sounds - a bit like using a 
>4Ti to drive in Robertson screws (!), a job it could accomplish, but 
>wasn't designed for.*
>
>I see your point about the possible Scots origin, which wasn't 
>previously obvious to me, perhaps because the rest of the spoken 
>context was not obviously Scots either.  But I don't doubt that Scots 
>rather than English is the greater part of the English speaking 
>Canadian heritage - they didn't stop at Nova Scotia, as several place 
>names testify - Banff and Calgary come immediately to mind as being a 
>little to the west.
>
>;-)
>
>--
>Piers
> 
>* NB preposition at end of sentence! Let's live a little.
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On 
>Behalf Of Earl Dunbar
>Sent: 01 December 2004 03:54
>To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [OM] Re: Philips; cross-point; posi-drive; Robertson
>
>
>I have NEVER heard a Canadian pronounce it "uh-BOOT", as several have 
>implied.  A common pronunciation is to add just a bit more "u" vowel 
>sound, so it =sounds= more like "uh-boot" (or "hoose") to those who are 
>used to hearing "uh BOWT", as in "ouch".  But it is actually just that 
>the duration of the "u" sound is very slightly longer.  What 
>non-Canajian speakers do is over-emphasize the difference so as to create a
stereotype.
>
>I think the influence is Scottish more than anything else, eh?  People 
>think of present day Canada as being founded by the English and French, 
>which in actuality from a cultural viewpoint it's closer to Scottish 
>and French.  I won't go down the road of the real founding cultures, 
>the aboriginal nations of Canada, lest I stir up major OT traffic.
>
>Earl
>
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>On 11/30/2004 at 11:39 PM Piers Hemy wrote:
>
>>I had never heard of Robertson heads either until the reference here a 
>>week or so ago (thank you  List)
>>
>>But on the other hand, if I am unsure whether someone is of US or 
>>Canadian origin, I make sure to listen for the magic word "aboot" 
>>which in my experience is a clincher.  I had no idea that it was a
'feature'
>>known-about
>>in Tennessee, and of course it doesn't mean that every Candian 
>>pronounces it that way, but everyone that I have come across  who does 
>>pronounce it that way *has* turned out to be Canadian.
>>
>>--
>>Piers
>> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>Behalf Of Garth Wood
>>Sent: 30 November 2004 20:37
>>To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [OM] Re: Philips; cross-point; posi-drive; Robertson
>>
>>--snip
>>
>>> I never heard of a Robertson fastener until this all got started.  
>>> Must be a closely-kept secret of the Frozen North.  I mean, the 
>>> folks up there tend to call a house a hoose and pronounce "about" 
>>> like one of those things I wear one per foot when I go hoofing it off
road.
>>> No telling what they call a good screw.
>>
>>--snip
>>
>>I'm not sure where the mispronunciation B.S. comes from -- I've never 
>>pronounced "house" like anything else than "howse" or "about" like 
>>anything else but "abowt," and I was born and raised in Central Canada
>(but
>now live
>>in the West, Thank God Almighty   ;-) ).  I've never *heard* them
>>pronounced
>>any differently, either, 'cept when our friends to the South claim we do.
>>My suspicion is that there's an enclave of Cape 
>>Bretoner/Newfoundlander types that interact with the denizens of New 
>>England and produce the, uh, interesting pronunciations in question.
>>
>>--snip
>>
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