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Subject: [OM] Re: Great E-1 150/2.0 pix on dpreview.com
From: hiwayman@xxxxxxx (Walt Wayman)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:25:47 +0000
Well, Skip, you've lost me now.  I thought we were talking about DOF and 
perspective with lenses of the same focal length, no matter the film format, 
not equivalent FOV for different formats.  :-]

Walt

--
"Anything more than 500 yards from 
the car just isn't photogenic." -- 
Edward Weston

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Skip Williams <om2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> The answer is NO. 
> 
> Photo 1: 180mm lens, 6x9 film.   
> Photo 2: 50mm lens  35mm film
> Photo 3: 25mm lens 4/3 sensor
> 
> All three will have about the same FOV from the same camera position.  
> 
> All three will show the same perspective compression.
> 
> At the same apertures, the shorter lenses will show much more depth of field.
> 
> Skip
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ---------------
> 
> Subject: [OM] Re: Great E-1 150/2.0 pix on dpreview.com
>    From: "Piers Hemy" <piers@xxxxxxxx>
>    Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:34:21 -0000
>      To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> >
> >Yes, I see that clearly.
> >
> >But typically we look at 10x8 prints.  So produce a 10x8 from each.  Would
> >they each appear to be as 'in focus' as each other? 
> >
> >I would try it myself, but the batteries on my Graflex are flat.  Or
> >something. 
> >
> >--
> >Piers 
> > 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> >Of Walt Wayman
> >Sent: 02 December 2004 16:33
> >To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [OM] Re: Great E-1 150/2.0 pix on dpreview.com
> >
> >Exactly.  Skip explains it quite correctly, but allow me an example:
> >
> >I have a 180mm Rodenstock lens I use fairly often with my 6x9cm Graflex
> >XLRF.  If I were to take a photograph of an object from a fixed point with
> >it on the Graflex and the 180/2.8 Zuiko on an OM, assuming the same aperture
> >is set on each lens, if I cropped a 24x36mm section from the center of the
> >6x9cm negative, it and the 35mm frame shot with the Zuiko would be, for all
> >intents and purposes, identical.
> >
> >Walt
> >
> >--
> >"Anything more than 500 yards from
> >the car just isn't photogenic." --
> >Edward Weston
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >From: Skip Williams <om2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> 
> >> > On a film camera, for a given focal length, as the format gets 
> >> > smaller, so the
> >> DoF gets narrower.
> >> 
> >> (I'm no optical engineer, just a hack.)
> >> 
> >> Calculation of DOF is independent of the film/sensor size.  This 
> >> assumes that DOF is really a measure of apparant sharpness based on 
> >> some minimum circle-of-confusion.
> >> 
> >> A 300mm lens that has an image circle large enough to cover a 5x7 
> >> piece of film produces the exact same image size as a 300mm lens on a 
> >> 4/3 camera.  The 4/3 camera only uses a small crop of the 5x7 lens' 
> >> image.  The DOF characteristics are the same.  That's why you 
> >> typically see LF photographers using f/45-128 to get enough depth of 
> >> field to cover reasonable subjects.  You could stop a 4/3 300mm lens 
> >> down to f/22 or so, but the long exposure times wouldn't make is usable,
> >whereas the LF lens is used for fixed subjects.
> >> 
> >> Your statement above should really say:  As image magnification 
> >> on-the-film/sensor stays constant, the DOF increases as the 
> >> film/sensor format gets smaller.
> >> 
> >> Skip
> >> 
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