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Subject: [OM] Re: [OM][OT] Further chillies and hot and spicey musings
From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:22:54 -0800
Paul Laughlin wrote:

>It is also interesting that the pepper is a chile, while the pot of red (or 
>green) is chili (or chili con carne).
>  
>
You know about chop suey?  The details of its origin are murkey, but the 
only argument is about when during the 1800s and where in the US, it 
originated.

So it is with chili, nachos and burritos. None originated in Mexico, at 
least not within its current borders, and not before those borders were 
in effect for some time. All come from the SW of the US. Although people 
of Mexican heritage may or may not have participated in these 
beginnings, they were not just cooking up what mamacita made back home.

Serious chili heads will tell you that chili con carne is a nonsequiter, 
as chili is simply meat (from a secret source)  cooked up properly in 
their secret recipe. The addition of beans is a serious taboo in those 
circles. Seriving it over rice is OK to some, but NO beans in it. 
Whatever it is, and no matter how hot, it doesn't really taste like 
anything I've ever had in Mexico. Some of it is quite good, though.

Another thing is that most traditional foods from most regions of Mexico 
aren't particularly 'hot', picante, enchiloso. It was mostly in the 
northern states near the US that traditional cooking was quite picante.

Another US creation is nachos. I first encountered them in Houston 
around 1980. They were rather carefully made little hors d'oevre, each 
individually made with a chip and carefully placed toppings. A far cry 
from the chips with a gooey cheese appearing product poured over them of 
ballparks, etc.

Yet another is burritos. I used to travel to Mexico fairly often with my 
late wife, who had family there. I also spent a lot of time there 
putting together a joint venture. Like nachos, I never encountered 
burritos there until about 25 years ago, when I ran into them in a 
tourist restaurant in Mazatlan. I asked about them and was told that 
they had learned to make them because tourists demanded them. They were 
Mexican food, so why couldn't they get them in Mexico?

The whole flour tortilla thing is a mystery to me too. I spent a fair 
amount of time in Mexico, from Oxaca to Tijuana. Quite a bit of time on 
business in the grocery business, so I visited a lot of stores, markets, 
etc., lots of machinas de tortilla. And the only time I ever recall 
encountering tortillas de masa harina, flour tourtillas, was in 
Enchiladas Suizas, a fairly elegant baked dish.

The huge, wonderful soft tacos I love around here are also quite unlike 
anything I ever saw in Mexico. Boy they are good, though. I just wish it 
were easier to get good chilaquiles and machaca con huevos for breakfast 
and authentic tasting carne asada Tampiqueña for dinner around here.

Moose


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