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Subject: [OM] Re: Manrfotto 410 question
From: "Joel Wilcox" <jfwilcox@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:21:32 -0600
On 3/6/06, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Joel Wilcox wrote:
>
> >So is the purpose of the modification
> >
> In this case, there is no modification, simply a QR adapter for another
> type of plate mounted on the 10 QR plate. You can do the same thing with
> other QR systems. Take off the 410 plate and unscrew the tripod thread
> and everything is back to original.

No drilling or grinding -- I get it.

> >I recently purchased the 3047 head (I actually like tilt-pan heads)
> >more or less exclusively to deal with the thin footprint of the DZ
> >50-200 tripod mount.  The big plates help.  Nevertheless, I still move
> >the lens noticably when I try to squeeze off shots, especially when
> >the 1.4 TC is involved.  The best methodology in this case is to use a
> >remote, or better yet, remote plus MLU on the E-1.
> >
> >
> This seems backwards to me.

I'm from Iowa. What can I say?  ;^)

> If you have a small tripod mount footprint,
> wouldn't you want a plate that is designed to work well in a small size?
> Is your problem flex of rotation?

Dunno.  I try one thing I've got and see how it works and then compare
it with something else if I can.  A plate that runs the length of the
shoe is a lot better than a plate that is long side to side, like the
ones that work in the 3030 head.  The plates I got with my 3047 don't
have cork and seem superior to any I have that do FWIW.

It might be worthwhile for me to experiment with your adapter
methodology (not to say modification) just to see if the problem is in
the flex plates or the mount style.  If the methodology improves
things with the 410, it ought to help with the 3047 equally I would
think

> The big surface Manfrotto plates, hex
> and for the 410, especially those with cork surfaces, have too much give
> and/or will actually rotate against the metal. The Cullmann plates
> really grip solidly and they make ones with an anti-rotation add-on
> which work well
> <http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=113843&is=REG&addedTroughType=search>.
>
> >If I thought the 410 with native plates were going to improve things,
> >especially for hands-on-camera shots, I might be quite interested in
> >it.  But I certainly wouldn't go there with the notion of having to
> >modify it to take a different set of plates.
> >
> >
> Again, no modification.

OK, no TNT or duct tape. ;^)

> >I don't mean these questions to sound critical of the discussion.  I
> >hope they don't come across that way.  I've just sort of lost the
> >sense in the thread about why the 410 is liked while its QR plates
> >pose problems.
> >
> >
> 'Cause the gear drive action is just the best thing around for macro and
> tele. Hard to understand until you use it. After years of fighting with
> flex, drag, creep, whatever it is on different heads that requires great
> care and trouble to get framing right, just dialing it in with ease is
> wonderful.
>
> Moose

Thank you Moose! and all who responded.  Very helpful.  You've all
really whetted my interest in the 410.

Joel W.
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