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Subject: [OM] Re: OT - electric car
From: Winsor Crosby <wincros@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:51:08 -0700
Unfortunately they just seem to be aiming at emissions. The  
production of hydrogen takes energy which is primarily based on  
fossil fuels currently. A cheaper hydrogen production method uses  
natural gas and the Honda statement I saw promised that it would not  
take more energy for the natural gas method than gained by the use of  
hydrogen.

I am reminded of a question posed by someone once that went something  
like this:  You mean to say that you are going to take my gallon of  
gas that will take me 40 miles in my comfortable little car and you  
are going to carry it, using fossil fuels,  to a fossil fuel power  
plant hundreds of miles away, burn it to generate electricity with  
the losses in that process, transport the electricity over electrical  
lines with those losses back to where it will be used, convert the  
electricity to chemical energy by charging a battery with those  
attendant losses, converting the chemical energy back to electricity  
with those losses, turning an electric dynamo in the the car with  
those efficiency losses to accelerate a heavier car designed to carry  
a thousand pounds of batteries with those losses and improve on my  
efficiency? How much energy to recycle the batteries? It is difficult  
not to be skeptical of everything when electric automobiles have  
already failed. The whole system has to be engineered.

Yesterday Honda announced a diesel engine design they say is as clean  
as gasoline engine.


Winsor
Long Beach, CA
USA


On Sep 26, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Chris Barker wrote:

>
> I listened to reps from Toyota and Honda, yesterday on the radio,
> discussing the use of electric motors in cars.  Their view, and
> presumably that of the companies' management, was that it won't be
> long before we are relying less and less on fossil fuels for personal
> transportation.  Their line was that electric cars are here to stave
> off use of fossil fuels while they develop fuel cell technology.
>
> Chris
> On 26 Sep 2006, at 14:10, John Hermanson wrote:
>
>> it's got a 250 mile range.  Meet you halfway. There are drawbacks
>> sure,
>> but this kind of car really pisses off the oil companies and that's a
>> good thing.
>>
>
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