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From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:19:33 -0400
My thoughts precisely.  The only thing that makes sense to me is to 
generate the electicity with a super clean coal burning process in order 
to use a fuel for transportation that couldn't ordinarily be used.

On the 1,000 pound battery front I was reading of a truly exiciting 
potential within the last couple of weeks to use capacitor storage with 
a new breed of capacitors based on nano technology.  Huge surface areas 
of nano tubes would make very large, lightweight capacitors possible. 
Recharging could be extremely fast unlike a chemical battery.
<http://www.physorg.com/news10525.html>

Chuck Norcutt


Winsor Crosby wrote:

> Unfortunately they just seem to be aiming at emissions. The  
> production of hydrogen takes energy which is primarily based on  
> fossil fuels currently. A cheaper hydrogen production method uses  
> natural gas and the Honda statement I saw promised that it would not  
> take more energy for the natural gas method than gained by the use of  
> hydrogen.
> 
> I am reminded of a question posed by someone once that went something  
> like this:  You mean to say that you are going to take my gallon of  
> gas that will take me 40 miles in my comfortable little car and you  
> are going to carry it, using fossil fuels,  to a fossil fuel power  
> plant hundreds of miles away, burn it to generate electricity with  
> the losses in that process, transport the electricity over electrical  
> lines with those losses back to where it will be used, convert the  
> electricity to chemical energy by charging a battery with those  
> attendant losses, converting the chemical energy back to electricity  
> with those losses, turning an electric dynamo in the the car with  
> those efficiency losses to accelerate a heavier car designed to carry  
> a thousand pounds of batteries with those losses and improve on my  
> efficiency? How much energy to recycle the batteries? It is difficult  
> not to be skeptical of everything when electric automobiles have  
> already failed. The whole system has to be engineered.
> 
> Yesterday Honda announced a diesel engine design they say is as clean  
> as gasoline engine.
> 
> 
> Winsor
> Long Beach, CA
> USA
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
> 
> 
>>I listened to reps from Toyota and Honda, yesterday on the radio,
>>discussing the use of electric motors in cars.  Their view, and
>>presumably that of the companies' management, was that it won't be
>>long before we are relying less and less on fossil fuels for personal
>>transportation.  Their line was that electric cars are here to stave
>>off use of fossil fuels while they develop fuel cell technology.
>>
>>Chris
>>On 26 Sep 2006, at 14:10, John Hermanson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>it's got a 250 mile range.  Meet you halfway. There are drawbacks
>>>sure,
>>>but this kind of car really pisses off the oil companies and that's a
>>>good thing.
>>>
>>
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