Jon
You have done quite a heroic thing here and I commend you on this. For
someone who was, a while ago, at the brunt of some of the harshest
criticisms as well as behind-my-back fruitless investigations, I understand
what Christos must be going through. The fact that I am in the IT industry
working as an IBM Business Partner was even commented upon. That was how
petty it became.
I do not intend to pour fuel to fire here but I'd just like to let you know
that in any forum including this one, there will always be people who think
they are more right than others, people who are not as tolerant of
non-native English-speaking members as they ought to as well as people who
make up their minds as to the fact that they know more about crystal-balling
than others. It is sickening and it is frustrating to deal with. I have had
chats with some of the most knowledgeable people I know of in all-things
Olympus - who also host their own websites - who put it best. One of them
said to me that he cant be bothered participating in such forums because
people here believe they know better than the camera designers and
engineers. Quite an interesting opinion, I must say, because after a while,
I began to see his point.
Opinions are important to be heard as much as they are to be respected. That
is the cornerstone of any reasonable forum and it is because of this that I
have essentially opted out from putting my two cents worth anymore. So all I
do these days is to go through all the mail messages that come through and
for most of them, I simply delete. I have read through some of them and it
is amusing to see how some people get things very wrong but the wrong
becomes accepted as facts. I cannot give you any particular example because
I simply delete them after a quick scan. And I no longer want to be involved
in <correcting> what I suspect might be wrong because I dont want to be
burned any further.
I sympathise with Christos and I commend you for your fire-fighting. This
forum needs more people like you to keep certain others at bay.
Regards
K.
On 28/12/06, Jon Mitchell <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I have tried to stay out of this, but really this is just getting way
> too out of hand now.
>
> I originally read Christos' post and thought to myself that I agreed
> with much of his analysis of the situation regarding the push of the
> marketing departments to get us to buy the newest thing, etc., even if
> it is no better than what we already have. I really didn't think
> Christos was insulting the members of this list, who generally are not
> likely to be duped by the marketing hype, but rather the "masses" who do
> follow this "digital is best" mantra that we are fed every day. I think
> it's fair to say that everyone here has made their decisions in a
> reasoned way, and for their own reasons, rather than because someone in
> an advert has told them that this-or-that is best. Sadly, I think we
> are the minority !
>
> I didn't fully agree with the way Christos' message came across - it
> seemed a little "forceful" - but I put that down to what I perceived to
> be the fact that Christos' does not have English as a first language ?
> (That said Christos does extremely well, and much better than I would in
> a foreign language).
>
> Then the insults started being hurled in all directions. Please guys,
> calm down. Take the last message from Christos, for example, in reply
> to AG ...
>
> <snip>
> For a list-dog, by the way AG, and so unfortunately indeed, you seem
> to sleep when people offend me, ...
> </snip>
>
> Christos - I really hope this is a language-barrier problem here, or
> maybe I am just being too generous I don't know. It is quite offensive
> to refer to AG as a "list-dog". If you note from AG's original email
> you are replying to, he signs it as "List Lap Dog".
>
> James - no matter how right or wrong, or how the argument is put across,
> calling his analysis "bullshit" is insulting, plain and simple. And I
> know you don't have a language barrier to hide behind.
>
>
> Sorry, I'm not singling out you 2 in particular - I'm just not going to
> go on quoting people here. The above mentioned incidents were just a
> couple that sprang to mind as being obviously very out-of-line.
>
> So, come on - it's Christmas. Even if you don't personally celebrate
> it, take a little time to have a glass of something relaxing and do
> something you enjoy (take some pictures ?!)
>
> Hoping this all calms down VERY soon,
>
> Jon
>
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