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Subject: [OM] Re: lithium iron phosphate batteries,
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:20:37 -0500
All that corn fertilizer runoff runs down the Mississippi and creates a 
dead zone off the coast of Louisiana that's about the size of 
Massachusetts.  The only things that grow there are bacteria and algae. 
Increased methanol production will likely make the situation there much 
worse.  There's more to the cost of methanol than meets the eye.

Chuck Norcutt

AG Schnozz wrote:
>> Exactly! The same goes for ethanol, which by various studies
>> appears to have an energy gain of unity or less -- it may take
>> more energy (from fossil fuel) to produce than it contains.
> 
> Those particular "various studies" have long since been
> debunked--especially when you consider that the distiller's grains
> are still usable as feed for our critters we eat. So, all that corn
> isn't exactly going to waste. Oh, and all those critters are
> providing wonderful fertilizer to reduce the need for chemical
> nitrogen input. In fact, there has been a huge increase in hog
> production here JUST for the fertilizer. Turns out they are very
> productive fertilizer generators.
> 
> However, your basic premise is correct. It is a wasteful use of a
> resource. But, we have the capability to grow whatever is needed to
> feed the world many times over.  It is still a distribution issue.
> 
> Switchgrass and other materials like that are capable of being turned
> into fuels and once the market demands those materials, the farmers
> will be more than happy to step up and grow them. They couldn't care
> less what they grow as long as they can make a living doing so.
> 
> Growing regions like Iowa, Illinois and Indiana have an extremely
> dangerous monoculture with almost exclusive production of corn and
> soybeans. Diversifying is very important as all it takes is for one
> tiny little bug or fungus to evolve and it's all over but the
> shouting.
> 
> AG
> 
> 
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