Global Warming is occurring, but at other locations, it is getting
cooler or wetter. Greenland, now verified by radar or sonar readings,
does have old viking settlements under what is presently a lot of
glaciers, and the NE Coast of Greenland has a petrified Redwood Forest.
History shows us that we have many cycles of warming and cooling.
The question I think though is, to what extent are we adding to the
weather pattern changes.
We have proven from the time of the Jungles of Lebanon, working our way
east that we can take any rain forest, Tropical or Temperate, and make
it a semi arid desert if not a desert, once we have removed all it's old
growth. Trees store carbon, the moment this vegetation dies, the carbon
starts being released back into the atmosphere.
Eastern Europe was deforested by 400 AD, Western Europe by AD 900, the
Oak bogs of Ireland by about 1300 AD, the Great Caledonia Forest of
Scotland in the late 1700's, Eastern USA by the late 1700's, and the
whole west coast of the USA between 1850 and 1940. IN our life times we
hearing the whining of environmentalists against corporate profit and
bad land management, as the forests of the Amazon and Indonesia were cut
down for farming, and the poor top soil washed away in less then a
generation, leaving those people with NOTHING except hope to go to the
big cities and join the masses there, just as happened in Ireland and
Scotland when their forests were removed.
Just as an example that most can understand.
But, how much has the removal of Quadrillions of tons of stored carbon
in the last 150 years, done to warm up what was once a very wet middle
section of North America (where the USA is now)?
Bob Whitmire wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
>
>
>> Well, there is a little more to the story than that, but it is
>> ironic that
>> our current C in C has a home that borders on hyper-green.
>>
>> My issue with the Global Warming argument is that we have a set of
>> knowns:
>>
>> 1. Carbon-Dioxide emittions CAN cause the conditions that
>> contribute to
>> global warming.
>> 2. The earth is gradually warming
>> 3. We have a historical record of CO2 in the air
>> 4. We have a historical record of global temeratures
>> 5. The increase of global temperatures appears to PROCEED the
>> increase in
>> CO2.
>>
>> Let us stew on point #5 for a minute..
>>
>
> I have absolute, incontrovertible evidence that global warming is
> happening right now. Where I live in Maine, 10,000 years ago (give or
> take), was covered with a 1-mile thick sheet of ice. Those rocks at
> Pemaquid Point that I've made so much money taking pictures of were
> grooved by glacial action. Just a few miles from here is a formation
> called, I think, the Waldoboro Moraine. It's critical to the
> construction industry. Dragon has a huge cement plant close by.
>
> The world has been warming ever since those glaciers covered us.
> According to the geologic record, it would not be beyond reason that
> it will get even warmer, and then may start cooling off again. There
> is no evidence to suggest the recent cycle of four glaciations won't
> be a cycle of five or six or seven.
>
> If you look at a map of the world from the geologic perspective,
> you'll see the world's land masses have changed dramatically in size
> and location through the eons. We would assume climate has changed,
> too. After all, the summit of Mt. Everest, as I recall, is marine
> limestone. Continents are still drifting along. Now, if you want to
> get some real hysteria going, talk about continental drift. Who's
> doing anything about that, eh?
>
> Smart money says things are going to keep right on changing.
>
> But, as you say, should be act as though what we do doesn't matter?
> No. We should be reasonable and responsible. Who the funk needs an
> SUV made by Mercedes? Who needs a freaking 25,000 square-foot house?
> Eh? I could go on, but I won't.
>
> Algore has made roughly $100 million on global warming. He lives in a
> palace that conspicuously consumes energy. I knew the man back when
> he was running for president in 1988, and nothing he's done then or
> since has convinced me he's anything other than a Nobel-Prize Class
> Hypocrite. But then we could say that about a lot of politicians and
> cultural leaders. He's just near the top of the heap right now.
>
> I really don't give a rat's ass if humanity survives itself or not.
> That's because either it will, or it won't. But in the great
> universal scheme of things, it doesn't make an effing bit of difference.
>
> Sorry for the rant. No. 2 son is still in the hospital and my fuse
> seems a mite shorter than usual.
>
> --Bob
>
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