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Subject: [OM] Re: [way OT] Re: How high's the water/presidential rant
From: Scott Peden <scotpeden@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:58:30 -0700
Congressional approval did not require UN approval, UN approval would 
have been required to have UN troops contribute to this, preferable 
under the US Military's control.

John Hermanson wrote:
> I believe the Congressional approval for action in Iraq required Bush to 
> go to the United Nations for a vote.  Bush violated that and did not go 
> for the vote because he knew Russia and China would say "no".
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> Chris Barker wrote:
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>> I understand the principle of the separation of powers, Robert, but  
>> there are, as I understand it, many ways for the Executive to  
>> circumvent them.  For instance, the President may not declare war  
>> without Congressional support.  But since he is C in C (I shiver  
>> internally at the thought of his being my C in C!) he can order  
>> military action without declaring war.  I believe that that happened  
>> both in Vietnam and in Iraq.
>>
>> Certainly the continued occupation of a foreign state needs  
>> Congressional support in the form of funding, but that is much easier  
>> to organise since the poor troops are already engaged ...
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 19 Jun 2008, at 20:42, Robert Burnette wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> The President didn't start the Iraq War. Congress did. He isn't  
>>> keeping us there. Congress is.
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