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Subject: [OM] Re: Battery weirdness [was emissions controls, was: I have ret
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:45:47 -0400
Oops!  Spelling is failing as well.  I should have Known that New should 
be Knew.

Dr. S. Bee

Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Oops!  I new my Latin was failing.  That would be Dr. Plumbum.  He was 
> the leading man of his plumber's union.
> 
> Dr. Short
> 
> Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>> And whatever happened to Dr. Plumbub?
>>
>> Dr. Short
>>
>> usher99@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>> I've had a similar problem though the etiology was no mystery. My '79 
>>> firebird sits for weeks at a time and typically gets exercise only to 
>>> go out and purchase a part for repair. It requires mega power for 
>>> turning over with cold viscous oil---the batteries have a ton of 
>>> surface area on the Pb/PbO2 plates but are subject to forming dendrites 
>>> and short out. This is largely due to the deeper cycling and sulfation 
>>> of the plates. I went through a few batteries at one year intervals and 
>>> then tried trickle charging every 2 weeks. There is a common opinion 
>>> that Pb acid batteries store best on float charge but I believe that is 
>>> not correct. Don't ask how I know that 2 weeks is not often enough but 
>>> every week trickle charge has worked for 5 years now.
>>> I wonder if you drive it enough to keep its charge up or perhaps the 
>>> battery design is ugly per Dr. Short.
>>> Have you checked the charge on the battery intermittently?  Perhaps our 
>>> very own Dr. Battery will chime in
>>> Tim---
>>>
>>> Dr. Lead (protégé of Dr. Short)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since both batteries have apparently failed from internal shorts (and
>>> since I've ridden in that car with you over the bouncy, bumpy, winding
>>> streets of Berzerkely at near double the speed limit) I would suggest
>>> that the case and internal structure of the 96 month Autolite Platinum
>>> isn't up to the physical rigors you're subjecting it to. I'd change
>>> brands to get a different mechanical design. :-)
>>>
>>> Dr. Short
>>>
>>>
>>> Moose wrote:
>>>> Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>>>> Speaking of emissions controls, one of the unexpected adventures 
>>> upon my
>>>>> return was to find that the older car left sitting in the driveway 
>>> felt so
>>>>> neglected that it shorted its battery internally during my absence.
>>>> I've had a strange thing happening with my '95 Olds convertible. Back 
>>> in
>>>> late May, the battery started failing. No big deal, as it was at the 
>>> end
>>>> of its warranty life, 7 years, I think.
>>>>
>>>> In early June, I put in a new Autolite Platinum 96 month battery. In
>>>> less than two months, I go out one day and the car is dead, really,
>>>> really dead, flatlined. I attach the charger, it eats amps like 
>>> crazy,
>>>> gets rather hot and doesn't charge above about 6v. Off I go and get a
>>>> free replacement.
>>>>
>>>> I think maybe something in the car was left on for a few days, 
>>> draining
>>>> and killing the battery. So I put an ammeter on it. When first hooked
>>>> up, there is a changing drain of under one amp for a few seconds. 
>>> Then
>>>> it settles down to a few milliamps. Simple checks with a voltmeter 
>>> show
>>>> the charging system is delivering correct voltage.
>>>>
>>>> Everything is fine for, wait for it, two months, again. Again, I come
>>>> out to find the car dead, dead, dead. Battery is down to about 3-4v.
>>>> This time it will charge, but only up to 11v, and one spot gets 
>>> hotish.
>>>> Only one shorted cell this time.
>>>>
>>>> Back for another replacement. Of course, this is a GM car, and a
>>>> convertible, so the battery is under the WW fluid tank, a stiffening
>>>> strut and an electrical block. And the battery hold down bracket also
>>>> supports the air filter housing. However, I'm getting quite adept at 
>>> the
>>>> switch by now.
>>>>
>>>> As part of the switch, I again check current drain. After the switch, 
>>> I
>>>> go back and have them run a charging system test, which passes
>>>> perfectly. I ask the guy if they have had others of this brand/model
>>>> battery coming back - not that he noticed (which may mean nothing).
>>>>
>>>> Will this go on, every two months, until the two year free 
>>> replacement
>>>> warranty period is up? Next time would be around the second week of
>>>> December. At least I now have a copy of their own charging system 
>>> test
>>>> showing it's OK. Fortunately, it doesn't snow around here.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have a clue what might be going on?
>>>>
>>>> Moose
>>>>
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