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Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash

Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash
From: Tim Hughes <timhughes@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:31:20 -0800 (PST)
I previously hit send accidently, before I checked the numbers I had jotted 
down for the weight comparisons of flashes. See previous post below
Here is an updated,corrected, more detailed comparison,between Metz and Tseries 
flashes. 
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John,
       I love the Metz CT60's, but as you say the pack when used
 with Dryfit battery is rather heavy on your shoulder. However...
 
That is why I replaced the dryfit (~1200gm) with a Li-FePO4 battery (200gm). 
This can also be (safely) completely recharged in 20 minutes.  It also produces 
10% more, full power (200J) flashes than the stock Dryfit. 

Remember the T32 is a 70J flash, so the CT60 Metz is equivalent ~3xT32's

Note the T45 is almost as heavy as CT60 with Pb Dryfit battery, but all the 
weight is on camera, while Ct60 is mostly in pack on shoulder.

The Li battery powered Metz Ct60 version, is much lighter than a T45 and 
achieves 80% more flashes, with an on camera more like that of a T32.

Note the *on camera* Metz head is similar to T32 in wt, but much easier to hold 
with its convenient handle grip..

Here is a summary of weight comparisons:
T32       440gm                     70J, GN32m, 24mm
CT60-1    481gm  (head on camera )  200J,GN60m, 28mm
CT60-4    650gm  (head on camera )  200J,GN60m, 28mm
CT60-1  1024gm  (tot head+pack,with Li Batt),  >180 full flashes
T45     1569gm  (tot,all on camera) 140J,GN45m,24mm,100flashes
CT60-1  1611gm  (tot head+pack, with Pb Dryfit) 160 full flashes        
CT60-4  1173gm  (tot,head+pack, with Li batt) 

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Here is detailed breakdown:
T32 
 Spec no battery 320gm
 Batt 4xNiMh     120gm (sanyo 30gm/cell, ultralast  26gm/cell = 104gm)
 Total           440gm 
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T45 
 Spec (no battery) 1129gm
 Battery measured   440gm
 Total             1569gm
 (spec 100 full 70J flashes)
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Metz CT60-1 (with Pb Dryfit)    
 Gun head CT60-1          481gm
 Pack+ Dryfit Batt       1130gm
 Pack+Dryfit+Head CT60-1 1611gm
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Battery comparison:
 Dryfit Batt alone  900gm  (Dryfit spec 160 full 200J flashes)
 LiFePO4 alone      314gm  (LiFePO4  >180 full 200J flashes)
 4xNiMh cells       100-120gm
 8xNiMh cells       200-240gm
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Metz CT60-1  (with LiFePO4)
 Gun head CT60-1          481gm
 Pack+LiFePO4             544gm
 Pack+LiFePO4+HeadCT60-1 1024gm
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Newer CT60-4 head is 160gm heavier,has more features + extra fill flash tube)
 Pack+LiFePO4+HeadCT60-4 1173gm
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Tim Hughes

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Tim Hughes <timhughes@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Tim Hughes <timhughes@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 285HV Zoom Thyristor flash
> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:10 PM
> John,
>       I love the Metz CT60's, but the pack when used
> with dryfit is heavy on your shoulder. However...
> 
> That is why I replaced the dryfit (~1200gm) with a Li-FePO4
> battery (200gm). This can also be (safely) completely
> recharged in 20 minutes.  It also produces 10% more, full
> power (200J) flashes than the stock Dryfit. 
> 
> Remeber the T32 is a 70J flash, so the CT60 Metz is
> equivalent ~3xT32's
> 
> Note this Li battery, hardly weighs more than the 4xNiMh +
> 4spare cells : ~200gm for Li versus ~162 gm for 8xNiMh cells
>  (vs 1200gm for the Dryfit). 
> 
> The actual CT60-1 head weighs only 70gm more than a T32 but
> is easier to handle because it acts as a handgrip.
>   
> The CT60-1 head weighs ~318gm 
> A t32 incl 4xNimh weighs     ~249gm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, John Hudson <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > Several years ago I shot a wedding using an OM4T and a
> Metz
> > 60 CT4 [not using the Stroboframe!] . The weight of
> the dry fit battery
> > carried on a shoulder strap was a real pain ...
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