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Subject: Re: [OM] A wasted effort
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:02:28 -0400
I don't doubt your word but I don't understand why.  Is there a human 
vision component that is helping piece the image together?  I think 
something like that is hypothesized for digital due to the lack of grain.

Chuck Norcutt

C.H.Ling wrote:
> No one would argue there is degrade in image quality at F22 but I will not 
> put all my trust to calculation figures. I didn't see any 4MP (even 8MP) 
> digital camera can produce the image I got here at F22, I'm happy to see if 
> there is one.
> 
> BTW, besides slight lost in resolution there is greater drop in fine 
> contrast at F22, use suitable unsharp mask can bring the F22 image very 
> close to the F4 one. For instant, I tried 10% R20 + 80% R0.8, it gives great 
> improvement without visable artifacts.
> 
> C.H.Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Norcutt"
> 
>> Well, the fact is that 4MP can still make a passable 8x10.  But why have
>> a 21MP camera if your happy with 4?  You have to look carefully but
>> there are most certainly big differences in the two photos.  For
>> example, near the center and at the top of the building is a large
>> square red logo with "H", "K" and a stylized "S" shape in the center. A
>> little over twice its width and to the right of that logo is what looks
>> like a fan in a gray metal housing.  In the f/4 image the louvers in the
>> fan housing are quite sharp and distinct.  But in the f/22 image they've
>> been nearly blurred out of existence.  And these are straight lines
>> which are the easiest things for the eye to see.  In fact the eye
>> sometimes sees straight lines where they don't exist by trying to
>> connect fragments of detail.  In other words, the detail here has been
>> obliterated.  Can I prove it's now a 4MP image?  Nope.  Can you prove
>> that it's not?  All I can say is that it has lost fine detail that the
>> camera and lens are capable of resolving and did resolve at a wider
>> aperture.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> Ken Norton wrote:
>>>> So at F22 the image only have 4MP resolution, right? But this 4MP image
>>>> looks pretty good to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, that F22 image is just horrid.  I can plainly see that the lens is
>>> diffraction limited at F4.
>>>
>>> NOT!
>>>
>>> Good example of how diffraction limits seem to have a different bearing 
>>> in
>>> the digital world than in the dark ages of film. Now, can anybody show me
>>> hard evidence that we really are running into diffraction limits with our
>>> new fangled digital cameras?
>>>
>>> AG
> 
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