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Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)]

Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)]
From: "C.H.Ling" <ch_photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:21:35 +0800
Moose, thanks for the time to comment on each of them, I'm really 
appericated. First of all I list here my favorite ones - 5231, 5226, 5223, 
5324, 5284 and 5264.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Moose"

> 5223 - I know there are people who like this kind of effect, but I don't.
>

I found it looks interesting and this is an example of whole subject in 
focus does not work well. I original posted it as vertical and then changed 
to horizontal as it seems look better this way, it was a top shot so it 
doesn't have a natural orientation.

> 5226 - Fuzzy tips in the wrong places for me.

I also want every tip in focus but that was impossible. My eyes are a little 
different, they automatically look at the points in focus. Even some of the 
focus were shifted to the lower part of the 'branches' they look perfectly 
ok to me.

>
> 5231 - I like this one a lot. Proper, to my taste, use of shallow DOF to
> create a strong image, almost more in a graphic than a photo sense. What
> could be annoying bokeh in another context is an asset in its graphic
> impact, creating an abstract quality I like.

Thanks, this is my most favorite one. Also a very difficult one during 
shooting, I took a few shots afterward with some at different angles but 
still not as good as this first one.

>
> 5245 - Nope. The foreground softness doesn't bother me at all, but the
> fuzzy tip does. I think this is partially because of the composition.
> The tip is at the 'magic 2/3' location, where the primary subject is
> often placed as a matter of composition - and cant' stand up to that
> position. Nice background bokeh.
>

You are right, I noticed the fuzzy tip during shooting, I did try to focus 
on the tip but then most of the front parts are too soft, it is not a good 
sample.

> 5264 - I really dislike this one. Not sure I could even say exactly why.
>

Not sure why I selected this one but I like it.

> 5273 - Nope. Trim off the front floret and get just a small extra DOF or
> move focal plane slightly to get the left front one all in focus, and
> I'd like it a lot. Simply lots of DOF to get the front one in focus
> would also work for me.

This is not a really good shot in my eyes, I just try to see if anyone has 
different views. For this flower a top shot will bring all in focus but it 
doesn't look very interesting. At life size, if the objects are not very 
close in the same plan stopping down will not bring them in focus. I will 
try another shooting angle with tripod next time.

>
> 5279 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me. Oddly, I think
> it would be better without the open blossom, with the big, purple bud as
> the focal point of a semi-abstract composition.
>

I agree with you but on that day nearlly all buds group has open blossoms.

> 5284 - Wonderful composition! Shallow DOF works fine, although I don't
> think a bit more, to catch the back of the 'scoop' on the lower left and
> the front edge of the lower right part would hurt, either. Great
> background bokeh. I would probably get rid of the OOF effect of a
> brightening edge on the top right of the inner 'ear' of the blossom.
>

Not much to say but I had another one that I like more, a front top shot 
which only focus on the tip with the petals far OOF as background, 
unfortunately it was very fuzzy due to motion blur.

> 5288 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me.
>

Agree, not a really special one.

> 5295 - Nice subject, colors, composition and bokeh. I don't get the
> point of the shallow DOF on this one. The location of the plane of focus
> seems arbitrary. I would like it much better with the whole subject in
> focus.
>

I only have problem with the front OOF bud, I tried another angle to let 
both at the same plan but then the object (the one like octopus) doesn't 
look good.

> 5303 - Even more than 5245, the whole composition and color flow point
> directly at a culmination at the 2/3 point, but the subject there is
> fuzzy, while the parts pointing to it are very sharp. This might work
> well with the focal plane slightly deeper, so the purple tip is in focus.
>

I agree this one will help with stop down.

> 5324 - Super! Exactly what shallow DOF is good for. I love the color and
> subtle tonal graduation. A tiny nit - I would try slightly blurring out
> the lines between the string of bright edged OOF highlight circles along
> the edge of the rear petal.
>

Thanks again!

> A. Picky Moose

Nope, I always think one must be demanding otherwise you will never be 
improved.

C.H.Ling



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