Texans barbecue beef brisket and sausages. The rest of the south (and I
guess I have to include Kansas City) barbecues pork. Proper barbecuing
is long, slow, low temperature cooking over a wood fire with smoke...
until the meat is falling off the bones. Yum. :-)
Chuck Norcutt
siddiq@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I thought BBQ is only from Texas :P
> /s
>
> On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>
>> I am all for BBQ, beer and tailgating. But good steak should not be
>> cooked on a BBQ unless it is from Argentina and the person cooking it
>> is from there as well. In any event, for us this is relevant since we
>> have recently given up eating red meat--only chicken and fish now.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Clay Nichols wrote:
>>
>>> Who cares. It is all pre-steak. Break out the grill, potatoes and
>>> beer! It is almost tailgating season.
>>>
>>>>>> Joel Wilcox <jfwilcox@xxxxxxxxx> 08/16/09 1:58 PM >>>
>>> I understand what you are saying, though there seems to be a bit of
>>> consumer bias in it. If the political power of family farmers seems
>>> disproportionate to their numbers, I suspect it is because the
>>> numbers
>>> don't tell the whole story, and it is certainly not because they
>>> actually are wielders of power. It doesn't take the numbers of
>>> farmers today to raise the amount of food we need, as compared to a
>>> century ago, but that doesn't lessen the vital significance of
>>> agriculture. Agricultural commodities are not like other commodities
>>> since we can't live without them. No doubt, though, that there are
>>> sacred cows in agricultural policy, and no doubt the example New
>>> Zealand provides is one to hope to achieve more universally.
>>>
>>> Joel W.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nathan
>>> Wajsman<photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> There is no particular advantage in supplying your own food. If a
>>>> farmer in another country can produce the stuff you eat cheaper and
>>>> better than you are better off buying from that country and devoting
>>>> your own resources to something you are good at. "Food security" is
>>>> 18th century mercantilism.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, most countries have a sentimental attachment to
>>>> agriculture, not surprising since just a few generations ago it was
>>>> the biggest industry almost everywhere. Today, even though farmers
>>>> typically comprise only 2-3% of the population in OECD countries,
>>>> the
>>>> farm lobby has disproportionate political power and uses it to
>>>> perpetuate price supports, protection from foreign competition and
>>>> so
>>>> on. The US is by no means the only or the worst sinner--those honors
>>>> belong to countries like Switzerland, Japan and Norway. The EU is as
>>>> bad as the US with the stupid Common Agricultural Policy.
>>>>
>>>> The only virtuous country is New Zealand, which some time in the
>>>> early
>>>> 1990s (I cannot remember the exact year and I am too rushed to look
>>>> it
>>>> up right now) abolished almost all agricultural subsidies and
>>>> tariffs
>>>> on food imports. Guess what? Today, New Zealand still has a thriving
>>>> farm sector, but one that survives thanks to the quality and prices
>>>> of
>>>> its products instead of government largesse.
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>
>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are an economist, correct? No offense intended, but I'm
>>>>> surprised
>>>>> you would characterize an issue so nuanced quite so broadly. Isn't
>>>>> it
>>>>> quite complex, since it involves food supply and who controls what
>>>>> and
>>>>> how whole countries compete in the world for markets? It has
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> to do with welfare other than the fact that governments are
>>>>> involved.
>>>>> Domestic sources of food are literally of biblical significance in
>>>>> the
>>>>> scheme of things. What actually is more fundamental? I'm quite
>>>>> certain that no one would care about a small family farmer if there
>>>>> weren't something distinctly chilling about corporations
>>>>> controlling
>>>>> food supply Sorry if I'm missing something here. I'm not learned in
>>>>> this area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel W.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Nathan
>>>>> Wajsman<photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, and most farmers would not survive without subsidies and
>>>>>> various
>>>>>> other largesse from the Federal Government, so they are
>>>>>> effectively
>>>>>> welfare recipients, just without the stigma that the welfare
>>>>>> recipients in cities experience.
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