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From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:09:37 +1100
It's all a bit more subtle than you suggest Dawid but it's not really  
an extreme view. The fact that charities have incorporate in the US  
and elsewhere is not really an objection - so do private schools and  
all sorts of other institutions. That's merely a legal convenience and  
they do not have shareholders as such. They are a different class of  
thing although they will often act badly as well.
But if we look at a business corporation, that's where the thesis  
holds good and the best example is the way in which corporations in  
developed economies have chased cheap labour by moving offshore. My  
own view is that the sole reason for any corporation to exist in a  
society is to provide services - and those services include the  
production of goods and also employment. Unless it does that, it has  
little value to that society and does not deserve its protection. Most  
decent economists will assign some fairly heavy value to that but they  
do not work in corporations, or at least, not for long. Some here may  
consider that socialism or extreme but so be it - without that  
mindset, we allow sharks to circle within our midst and to apply their  
own dubious ethics.
I'm fond of Robert Michel's Iron Law of Oligarchy which is based on  
the idea that individuals will always act in their own self-interest  
in organisations - if we see the corporation as an individual (and the  
law does) then the same rule applies within society. It does not  
matter what the Mission Statement or the Press Releases claim - they  
are written and issued in the self-interest of the entity and will be  
discard immediately if they do no longer match the shifting interest  
of the corporation. The same goes for 'Policy' - that's extremely  
mutable and the response 'I'm afraid that's our policy' should always  
be rejected as a reason or excuse for poor behaviour.
I once went for an advertising job with Kodak in Melbourne, which I  
did not get. I fluffed one question - 'What is the purpose of  
advertising?' I gave too academic an answer. The correct response was  
'To sell product.' Plain, brutal and regardless of consequence.  
'Customer satisfaction'? That's to keep them coming back for more.  
Tobacco, Macdonalds, Coca Cola - sell an addictive product.
Bottom line - increase profit, dividend, yield - grow and stay healthy  
in a corporate sense. The duty is to the shareholder, not the employee  
or the customer - because the shareholder can hurt them directly and  
immediately.
Andrew Fildes
afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx



On 04/12/2009, at 6:52 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote:

> Fair enough, my views sometimes do come across as too extreme, it must
> be
> the Boer in me... Perhaps instead of an extreme view, you should  
> simply
> read (in my comments) a wariness to trust big publicly traded
> corporations.
>
> I am of the opinion that, in every possible scenario, when they have
> to choose
> between shareholder profit, and the greater good, they will always
> choose shareholder
> profit, even when the cost of choice is loss of life, environmental
> destruction, etc.
>
> It's not their fault, it's what a corporation is designed to do :-)
>
>
> On 03 Dec 2009, at 4:50 PM, Sue Pearce wrote:
>
>> Dawid,
>>
>> This is certainly an extreme view with bitrs of truth, but in
>> reality, it
>> remains an extreme view .
>>
>> Bill Pearce
>
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