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Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?

Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
From: Jan Steinman <Jan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:56:40 -0800
Perhaps I missed something, but in the 200,000 mile lifetime, did you include 
the cost of replacing the Prius batteries?

>From what I've read, I could nearly buy my entire diesel fleet of two Jettas, 
>a Vanagon, and a Dodge Cummins pickup for the cost of a single Prius battery 
>swap.

If the battery replacement cost is correct (like I said, I could be missing 
something), you may also be over-estimating the resale value of a truly used-up 
Prius. By the time large numbers of them have reached battery-replacement age, 
the public may be wise about the chances of some really expensive work on the 
horizon, and that will get reflected in the resale value.

Of course, it could be that by that time, third-party battery swaps will lower 
the cost. Or maybe not:

"Analysis of Lithium's geological resource base shows that there is 
insufficient Lithium available in the Earth's crust to sustain Electric Vehicle 
manufacture in the volumes required, based solely on LiIon batteries. Depletion 
rates would exceed current oil depletion rates and switch dependency from one 
diminishing resource to another."

        http://www.evworld.com/library/lithium_shortage.pdf

On 18 Nov 10, at 03:16, olympus-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> From: Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> We put about 40,000 miles on our vehicles each year. The payback in
> our case is pretty quick. The difference in purchase price for
> equivalent prius vs corolla is about $3000 of the used vehicles. The
> payback for the $3000 is probably not very logical if we run the
> wheels off the cars, but resale value is worth something and the OLD
> prius cars are still maintaining an edge. So, for the entire ownership
> cycle, the prius isn't that bad of a deal.
> 
> But, let's assume I run the car off to 200,000 miles. Rounding to
> 150,000 miles of ownership for me, at 10 mpg difference...
> 
> 4285 gallons at 35 mpg for the carolla
> 3333 gallons at 45 mpg for the prius
> 
> Basically about $3000 in savings at $3.00 per gallon. So, it is a
> break even thing. But when gas prices go up, then it really starts to
> swing the calculations in favor of the prius.
> 
> Just for grins.
> 
> 8333 gallons at 18 mpg for the Jeep Grand Cherokee
> 
> $15,000 in savings at $3.00 per gallon. That's a lot of digital cameras.
> 
> AG

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Meditation is a delightful and spontaneous thing to do. It is the continual act 
of making friends with yourself, you cannot just contain that friendship within 
you: you must have some outlet, which is your relationship with the world. -- 
Arthur Janov
:::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ::::

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