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Re: [OM] Economics

Subject: Re: [OM] Economics
From: "Bill Pearce" <bs.pearce@xxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:59:20 -0600
We all find ourselves victims of the self-esteem movement of the recent
past!

 

From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 4:45 PM
To: Olympus Camera Discussion
Subject: Re: [OM] Economics

 

I'm tempted to add two questions here, and answer them.

1. What makes a good student? One who shows up to class prepared to work. Do
you know how rare that can be in some circumstances? You simply cannot teach
anything to a student who declines to learn. You can keep them quiet,
possibly. But hat's about it. I cite the brilliant Monty Python sketch about
sex education. If a student has concluded that anything that happens in a
schoolroom is boring and irrelevant BECAUSE it is happening in a schoolroom
then it's very difficult to to overcome that - in fact, usually impossible
because you have 25 or so other students to deal with. Reach a tipping point
of a certain proportion of such students in a class and nothing you can do
will change things. You may as well just have a chat with them about the
weather and the football.

I used to refuse to refer to some kids as 'students' on the grounds that
students are people who study - and they didn't

2. What makes a good parent, as far as a school is concerned? Well, one who
shows up to parent teacher nights and meetings and doesn't make knee-jerk
excuses for the fact that their offspring are surly, unkempt, uncooperative,
indolent, rude, offensive, racist, late, ill-equipped, missing, devious,
mendacious, unwashed, unfed, stoned, unengaged, ill-prepared or dressed like
a cheap sex worker. (tick one box or more).  The broad majority of parents
in the lower middle class suburbs where I've worked for many years treat the
school like any other service that they use - they send the kids to us to
get educated or worse, babysat, and beyond that, it's nothing much to do
with them. You see them when they show up to object that little Johnny (six
foot, thug) got injured because he picked a fight with the wrong opponent
and lost; got kept in and missed the bus so they had to drive half-a-mile to
get him; told Chantelle or Taylah to dress a little more appropriately (less
make up, d
 o your shirt up, skirt a little lower than the gluteal fold); failed
because they did no work at all but it's because the teacher is picking on
her. Then they're cross and demand you do something about it because it has
interfered  with their plans for the day.
A teacher cannot 'do its job' in isolation. You don't think the local school
is much good so what do you do? You pull your child out of it and compound
the problem. Better to actually get involved, find out what the problem is
and first of all, make sure that your assessment is warranted. I've seen
excellent schools with poor reputations generated by the most ridiculous and
bizarre community rumours and misconceptions. If the school doesn't want to
discuss it or welcome your measured, calm and concerned input, then you have
a fair complaint.

Yes there are lazy and hopeless teachers - I can tell you stories that would
make you shake and twitch. But most are conscientious individuals who want
to teach - it's easier than riot control anyway! Some are the lazy ones are
those who've given up, beaten by the clientele and the system which is
making increasingly unrealistic demands.
The latest and most disturbing trend reflects your demand that the emphasis
is on delivery, not content. Teachers are being styled as 'classroom
managers' and told that a good teacher can teach just about anything ('We're
teachers of children, not subjects Andrew'). This is very convenient for the
administration of course as then they don't have to match teachers and
disciplines too carefully. It does mean that the new crop of teachers may be
astonishingly ignorant of their subject but that's OK because hey you've got
a textbook and you know how to teach, right? No point being brilliant at
delivery if you don't understand it and you've got it wrong.

If I leave a class confident that one third of the class willfully ignored
the material, one third got' it and one third actually understood it, does
that make me a bad teacher or one that simply recognises what is possible?
Andrew Fildes
afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx



On 25/12/2010, at 3:42 AM, Willie Wonka wrote:

> I would disagree with this statement, Chuck.
>
> If it were up to me, I would say the ratio is more like 30/70%, yes 70% is
the teachers' contribution.  There is nothing like a teacher that does its
job.
>
> My son is now enrolled in an expensive private school, just for the same
reason:  The teachers at his school were plain bad.  Portsmouth, RI used to
have the second best school system in the state, but financial problem led
to having good teachers taking job in Mass and bad teachers coming to RI...I
was spending two hours at night teaching him what he was not able to get in
class, but the results were mediocre, since I couldnt go through all the
material.  BTW, had Carl Seagan seen me in action, he would have been proud
of me as I borrowed his methods.
>
> Which brings me to the point:  What constitutes a good teacher?  Someone
who does its job.  See, a teacher isnt someone who knows the material...they
arent trained in that.  They are supposed to be trained in approaches how to
deliver the material to the students.  So, a good teacher is the one who
leaves the classroom at the end of the class period confident that each of
his students got the material.  A great teacher is the one who inspires
students to venture further into the material.
>
> Best
>
> Boris
>
>
>
>
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