ACR provides the same sort of curves sliders but I think you missed the
point that I did the adjustments with the aid of layers and masks. I
don't think LR can do that.
Chuck Norcutt
On 5/25/2011 3:49 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote:
> The second , fair enough! But the first - LR has curves and as it has sliders
> for Highlights, Lights, Darks and Shadows, it is easier to use than curves in
> PS. It also has excellent noise control routines where you can sharpen with
> adjustments and then kill both luminence and colour noise. Very effective.
> I know of a local wedding photog who does pretty much everything in LR. She
> says PS is for drastic situations (like eye rebuilds!).
> Andrew Fildes
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 25/05/2011, at 9:49 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>
>> I meant to add some comments on today's PhotoShop work, things that I
>> don't believe can be done in Lightroom. My granddaughter went to her
>> junior prom the other day. Mom and dad took a number of pictures of her
>> and her boyfriend and of themselves and the boyfriends parents. I was
>> pleasantly surprised to see that my son now has a Fuji Finepix F50fd
>> which managed to nail the exposure on almost all the images including
>> some tough ones with sun and shade.
>>
>> But it didn't nail one of them which turned out to be one of the most
>> desirable. It was about 1 stop underexposed in the shade, properly
>> exposed in the sunlit areas and needed some selective adjustment and
>> masking to get everything looking right while keeping the noise under
>> control.
>>
>> The second one I worked on was actually slightly out of focus, my
>> granddaughter her her eyes closed, there was someone's hand in the edge
>> of the frame at lower left and a young boy from across the street
>> standing in my son's front yard with 2/3 of his body showing far behind
>> and on the right side of the boyfriend. Focus Magic managed to fix the
>> focus sufficient for a small print, I managed to replace my
>> granddaughter's closed eyes with her open eyes from another image, and a
>> combination of the clone tool and "content aware" fill got rid of the
>> errant hand and the boy from across the street.
>>
>> Those are the sorts of things I do in PhotoShop.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/2011 7:29 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>> I'm on my second version of Lightroom and my fourth version of
>>> PhotoShop. So far I've done little but open Lightroom up a few times to
>>> give it a quick look. But I use PhotoShop at least once a week and
>>> sometimes for days on end.
>>>
>>> The thing that I do not like about Lightroom (and probably what draws
>>> other people to it) is that it wants to "manage" my images. I have my
>>> own system of image management which is rather minimalist but suits me
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> I find that PhotoShop really does all that I require and, since
>>> Lightroom isn't a full-blown editor it doesn't do all that I require.
>>> Someone mentioned automation in handling images as a Lightroom strength
>>> which is something I don't understand, probably because I haven't
>>> pursued Lightroom enough to understand all it can do. But all of the
>>> automation that I think I need can also be found in PhotoShop and
>>> Bridge. The only automation I think I need is processing similarly
>>> exposed images in ACR as a group. Bridge allows selecting the similar
>>> images and then passes them as a group to ACR. I adjust one image,
>>> select the rest and tell ACR to apply the same changes to all. I then
>>> step through the modified images and make small tweaks for those that
>>> have a similar but not identical exposure.
>>>
>>> After I'm done with those things that ACR can do I'm left with PhotoShop
>>> and everything I do at that point is very specific to each individual
>>> image. I don't see how automation can help.
>>>
>>> One of these days I'll dig into Lightroom futher but I've been saying
>>> that for the last couple of years since I first got Lightroom 1. Now I
>>> have CS5 and Lightroom 3.2 but I still don't understand it very well. I
>>> suspect that my propensity to do serious editing on lots of images means
>>> that Lightroom doesn't really hold much for me.
>>>
>>> But you need to hear from a serious Lightroom user. But I suspect you'll
>>> find that, like Nathan, they are averse to editing much beyond exposure
>>> corrections. I wonder if, for them, it's really much more than a means
>>> to pass images into ACR.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2011 4:44 PM, Walters, Martin wrote:
>>>> As a benefit of my flash course, I'm entitled to student reductions of
>>>> some Adobe software. In particular, both Lightroom 3 and Photoshop CS5
>>>> are available at significant discounts. I already have PS Elements 8,
>>>> so my question concerns the relative merits and use (casual in my case)
>>>> of these three software. As my images are scans from film, things like
>>>> RAW processing are not a priority.
>>>>
>>>> PS Elements does a good many things, though I gather its significant
>>>> limitations (I'm sure there are others) include the lack of layers and
>>>> adjustable curves. PS proper is at the other end of the scale and
>>>> likely overkill for me, without serious study and use.
>>>>
>>>> My real question is where Lightroom fits in the picture (pun intended)?
>>>> I've been through the info on the Adobe website, and I'm still at a bit
>>>> of a loss what to make of it. It would appear to offer significant
>>>> editing capacities, which are undescribed but presumably less than PS
>>>> ("it works seamlessly with PS", or something like that). It's also not
>>>> clear whether it offers greater or just different editing capacities to
>>>> PSE. Lightroom seems to emphasize workflow issues like managing and
>>>> distributing images, as much as it does editing.
>>>>
>>>> There are list members who use Lightroom and PS (maybe separately or
>>>> together), I'd be grateful to hear their comments on the relative
>>>> merits/limitations of the software.
>>>>
>>>> On topic: the images are made with an OM!
>>>>
>>>> Martin
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