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Re: [OM] Strictly OT: System Crash

Subject: Re: [OM] Strictly OT: System Crash
From: "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:03:40 -0500
Thanks, Chuck.  I'm learning a lot today.

I just finished running the full chkdsk 5-stage check on that drive, and it 
turned up and replaced bad clusters in one .dll file.  I had earlier run the 
simple 3-stage check from the Run window, and it mentioned a few more 
problems, but apparently corrected most of them.

I think I now have confidence in my drive to allow me to think this through 
and find a replacement (hopefully).  I had not thought about the different 
versions of Serial ATA, which is the way it is described on the invoice.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OM] Strictly OT: System Crash


> Since the drive is 6 years old it may be PATA or SATA 1.  It might be
> difficult to locate such a drive since technology has already moved on
> to SATA 3.  There are SATA 2 drives that can throttle back to SATA 1
> rates but they are also getting hard to find.  I was searching for one
> for a friend several days ago and the only thing I could find was a 320
> GB refurbished Hitachi drive.  The following is from my note to him of
> the other day
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> I've been having difficulty finding a drive which is SATA 1 (1.5 Gbps)
> compatible.  Current drives on the market are SATA II (3Gps) or SATA III
> (6Gbps).  I thought the faster drives would throttle back on detecting
> an SATA 1 controller but compatibility seems to be a mixed bag.  I
> couldn't find any claims of 1.5Gbps compatibility in the mix of
> currently available SATA II/III drives.
>
> I eventually had to resort to looking for an older, refurbished drive to
> find one that runs at 1.5Gbps.  This Hitachi model claims to run at
> 1.5Gbps by default.  But that's a one line statement in a several
> hundred page specification.  I can't find any way in that document to
> switch it to 3Gbps so I assume that the drive must configure itself to
> the speed of the controller.  All the more important that you get the
> BlacX device that I pointed out that speaks both SATA and USB.  It could
> prove important later on when trying to move data off the backup drive
> to a new computer if yours should completely fail and SATA  version
> compatibility turns out to be a problem.
>
> Anyhow, here's the link
> <http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HDS725050KLA360-NDW-R&cat=HDD>
>
> Geeks.com deals in a lot of refurbished gear.  I haven't bought anything
> from them lately but used to buy there fairly regularly.  I consider
> them a reliable supplier.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I use Acronis True Image 9.0 to clone my drives.  It's old software
> which runs fine on XP but later versions (when they changed to year
> numbers for release numbers) seem to be somewhat buggy.  You can still
> find 9.0 but you'll likely pay new prices for it.  I think now that I'd
> try FOG <http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeghost/>  It has good
> reviews but, being a free software foundation project, who knows what
> the user interface is like.  It could be simple and easy to operate or
> could also be a bear.
>
> If you're cloning or backing up to SATA drives then the BlacX is a good
> solution.
> <<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153071&cm_re=blacx_docking_station-_-17-153-071-_-Product>>
>  Moose and I have them.  They come in USB only or USB/eSATA combo
> interfaces.  I suggest the latter although it costs a bit more than USB
> only.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2011 5:17 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> My C drive is the original 80GB drive, and is 6 yrs old.  If I replace 
>> it,
>> what is the currently preferred manufacturer, and what software would you
>> use to clone the drive?  Do you open up the case and connect the new 
>> drive
>> to a cable and clone it that way, or do it over a USB connection?
>>
>> The last HD I bought was WD, and it seems to be fine.  It is my external
>> eSATA photo drive.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Norcutt"<chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion"<olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OM] Strictly OT: System Crash
>>
>>
>>> Sounds like an "ordinary" disk I/O error... one of the only 1 in 10**14
>>> bits (or some such) that are eventually due to plague you.  I suspect
>>> (but don't know) that the flurry of disk I/O activity upon reboot was
>>> probably the NTFS file system trying to figure out what was wrong with
>>> itself and correct it if possible.  You don't say what you did to
>>> eventually recover but I suppose it doesn't matter if you're now up and
>>> running.
>>>
>>> If your disk drive is about 3 years old or more I'd replace it on the
>>> grounds of a cheap insurance policy.  Get a new drive and clone the old
>>> before it's too late.  In general I have found that my drives last at
>>> least 3 years and are generally technically obsoleted before they wear
>>> out.  But I did have a 6 month old 1TB Seagate drive (used as my primary
>>> images storage) give up the ghost within the past two weeks or
>>> therabouts.  But it was kind enough to tell me it was failing, or, more
>>> specifically, that it was likely to fail at some unknown time in the
>>> future.  Apparently the correctable read error rate had risen to an
>>> unacceptable level and the S.M.A.R.T system intervened and advised me to
>>> replace the drive.  Had it been a RAID drive it would have automatically
>>> rebuilt a replacement.  First time I've ever seen a S.M.A.R.T. system
>>> message and intervention.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/8/2011 2:51 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>> Strictly OT, but I have a question.  I was copying some files to a CD
>>>> this morning, and, while the CD was being finalized, to enable it to
>>>> be used by others, my Windows XP system crashed.  A DOS screen came
>>>> up that I have never seen before. I shut down and rebooted, but the
>>>> HD just kept showing steady activity.  I tried restore points back to
>>>> a week earlier, but they all failed.  Has anyone encountered anything
>>>> like this?
>>>>
>>>> After many attempts at restarting, I am finally up and running again.
>>>> I have created a new restore point, just in case.
>>>>
>>>> After almost two hours, I am a WRECK!
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA
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