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Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 14/9/2011: a delightful vegan señorita
From: Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:11:53 +0200
Time to switch doc isn't it?

On 18/09/2011, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The worst part is that I don't think most docs understand or believe
> they are being duped.  I obviously don't understand the medicine but in
> many cases you don't have to.  The tricks are in the dodgy statistics
> and that's something I do understand.  And sometimes it's not even a
> statistical trick but simply a false statement.  I remember reading that
> clearly false statements were not uncommon.  I thought that was absurd.
> Afterall, these are "peer reviewed" science.  So I downloaded two very
> short papers on statin drugs from PubMed
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/> of 3 pages each.  They were chosen
> at random other than the selection criteria being that they be short so
> I could comprehend them. Both of the papers made claims in the abstract
> (the only part the docs read) that were not supported by ANY data in the
> body of the paper.  I was flabbergasted and continue to be.  I'm a
> triple bypass patient of 12 years ago and used to take Lipitor
> religiously.  I gave it up 6 or 7 years ago and will not go back.  My
> doc thinks I'm nuts and dutifully records in my records that I will not
> follow his advice.  Not surprising that he has not a clue about
> statistics.  He gets his info from the drug reps that I frequently see
> in the waiting room.  The waiting room even has a TV set that runs
> continuous drug commercials.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 9/18/2011 7:54 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
>> How depressing!
>>
>> But I don't suppose that I am surprised.  Over Here, the EU is trying
>> to ban homeopathic treatments and I can only suppose that Big Pharma
>> is behind the attempt.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 18 Sep 2011, at 03:55, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Smith, former editor of the British Medical Journal, tells
>>> you here how they cook that stats:
>>> <http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020138>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> He finally resigned his job after realizing that he no longer was in
>>> full control of the content of his own journal.  He also said the
>>> American journals were far worse.
>>
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