Thanks, Chuck. That helps.
Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [OM] And yet another dog photo
> The printing and image trimming process is not terribly precise.
> Therefore the image is always printed at a slightly larger size than the
> nominal size. When the paper is die-cut it will be the nominal size but
> the cut lines could appear anywhere within the bleed area. The
> additional size that's added is referred to as the "bleed" and is,
> AFAIK, a constant independent of print size. If memory serves me right
> it's 1/8" (0.125) all around for Miller's and Mpix (a subsidiary of
> Miller's). If I want to have them make an 8x10 print I crop the image
> at 8.25"x10.25" to add the bleed. I also resize the full image with
> bleed at their stated resolution number of 250 dpi and sharpen at that
> size. That should guarantee that there will be no diddling with the
> image at all.
>
> Printing at home with your own ink jet printer does the same thing. Try
> printing a 4x6 borderless image on a 5x7 piece of paper and then measure
> the size of the image area. It will be larger than 4x6". The
> difference you measure is the bleed added by your printer.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 4/4/2012 1:57 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Can you explain the term "bleed" to me? I've seen that used in some
>> other
>> instances concerning sizing of images for book publication, but never
>> understood what it meant.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Norcutt"<chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion"<olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OM] And yet another dog photo
>>
>>
>>> If I can't see the halos at 33% they don't exist. When I send the
>>> images out for printing I tell them not to diddle with the image at all;
>>> no sharpening, no color correction, no nothing. But I also prepare
>>> individual print files for each print size and also make the image
>>> slightly oversize by the stated bleed amount so they don't have to do
>>> any resizing at all.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/4/2012 11:23 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
>>>>> You don't. Lightroom prints it. If you're sending to a lab such as
>>>>> Miller's,
>>>>> you either let them do the output sharpening, or you do it yourself.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> really not all that big a deal.
>>>>
>>>> The stuff I send to Millers has a very specific sharpening method
>>>> applied. I sharpen to get the pixels themselves as sharp as possible.
>>>> Of course, this is usually done during conversion or first step after
>>>> conversion. It's usually some form of 0.6 radius USM cranked up to the
>>>> hilt. Then in editing I do whatever sharpening to correct for ID10T
>>>> errors. In my finalizing process, I'll do a little bit of LCE to get
>>>> the edges to pop and give it some 3D life. Finally, I go through one
>>>> last tiny bit of pixel sharpening to correct for any mushiness as a
>>>> result of the editing. But I NEVER output sharpen and I NEVER have
>>>> halos.
>>>>
>>>> The reason is that Millers always resizes the image through there
>>>> print management system. It is doing additional sharpening as a result
>>>> of that process.
>>>>
>>>> Because of it, I don't do any resizing or resampling (except in
>>>> extremely rare circumstances) of the images. I send them all in at the
>>>> same size and let the RIP take care of everything because a particular
>>>> image might be in wallets, 5x7s, 8x10s, 11x14s and also used in the
>>>> album. All on the same order.
>>>>
>>>> To the halos comment. The problem with Chuck's "crunchy" output
>>>> sharpening is that it results more often than not in halos. I really
>>>> really really really really dispise halos. Halos can make in image
>>>> appear sharper, but I'd rather not go that far. It's a sign that
>>>> somebody didn't know when to stop.
>>>>
>>>> AG
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