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Re: [OM] RC papers and recovering photos from flood damage

Subject: Re: [OM] RC papers and recovering photos from flood damage
From: marc simon <marc.simon@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:35:53 +0200
Hi all,
during my "military duty" in 1972 I spent some time in a Belgian Air 
Base: I was in charge of the processing of the film of a drone they 
where developing and the paper used for the prints was a RC Kodak 
paper...I've found an old box with some prints and the reference in the 
box is Kind-1594...and it was B&W...:)
regards
marc
bois-de-villers Belgium

Le 24/04/2012 02:22, Bill Pearce a écrit :
> RC paper for color preceded B&W by at least 5 years. It was an urgent thing
> for color, as it made life much easier for mass production, and made the
> introduction of smaller, roller transport machines feasible. I remember
> working in a commercial studio in the mid seventies, and most all we printed
> in B&W was on fibre, and the color was all RC. Thanks to that experience,
> there's nothing in B&W that pleases me more than a ferrotyped print.
>
> Bill Pearce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Norcutt
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:38 PM
> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
> Subject: Re: [OM] RC papers and recovering photos from flood damage
>
> Thanks.  Makes perfect sense.  I didn't realize that RC papers went back
> to 1968.  I'd have guessed a decade later.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
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> On 4/23/2012 6:44 PM, Paul Laughlin wrote:
>> I found this.  Might help.
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>> *Identifying and judging the age of chromogenic prints *
>> As already noted, when in doubt a color photo is probably chromogenenic.
>> Chromogenic images often fade and discolor with age, sometimes gaining a
>> magenta tone. Vintage examples are on fiber based paper. This means that
>> the back of the photo has a papery, fibery feel, as opposed to the
>> plasticy feel of recent color photos you own. The front (where the image
>> is) of these vintage chromogenic photos are usually glossy. This fibery
>> back with glossy front is unique in color photos to the chromogenic
>> photos.
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>> In 1968 Kodak introduced resin coated paper for color photos. Resin
>> coated paper has that glossy, plasticy feel on back. This means that if
>> a photo with a 1950s image (James Dean, Korean War) is on resin coated
>> paper, it is not vintage. Many modern reprints of both black&   white and
>> color photos are identified as the paper is resin-coated. A quick and
>> simple ways to identify many reprints.
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>> It is from:
>> *Photograph Identification Guide
>> *by David Rudd Cycleback
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>> Hope it helps.
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>> Will try to check with "Operation Photo Rescue" and see what they say.
>> Right now I am a bit tired,  Just returned from buying a replacement
>> vehicle, as we had a transmission failure Saturday and it would cost
>> more to repair than the vehicle is worth. VBG  And that transmission had
>> less than 10,000 miles on an AMCO rebuild.  Out of warranty based on time.
>>
>> Paul in Portland OR
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>> On 4/23/2012 1:45 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>> Becci said her experience in Japan had shown that many prints that are
>>> stuck together can be easily separated if they're first frozen.  She
>>> says ice crystals form in between the prints and push them apart.  But,
>>> she continued, there is one big cavaet... don't do that with RC papers.
>>>      If you do, instead of pushing the prints apart, the ice crystals will
>>> push the emulsion of the RC print right off the paper and thus totally
>>> destroy it.  That's apparently a side effect of the paper's base being
>>> unable to absorb water.  That may be a clue to the answer to my question
>>> which is:  Does anyone know how to definitively identify an RC print?
>>> Finally, maybe it doesn't matter if you're presented with a thick stack
>>> of different kinds of prints all stuck together.  I wish I'd thought to
>>> ask her at the time.
>>>
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