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From: Bob Whitmire <bwhitmire@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:18:46 -0400
Just goes to show that money and class frequently don't go together.

--Bob


On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:45 PM, John Hudson wrote:

> Read here:
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/biggest-house-in-america-david-siegel_n_1677741.html
> 
> and in particular the last paragraph !
> 
> David Siegal's 90,000 square foot home was borne out of a giant Ponzi 
> scheme !
> 
> jh
> 
> 
> On 21/10/2012 5:20 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote:
>> Not so much subsistence as free from the attachment to materialism. There's 
>> a line in Lord of the Rings that struck me the first time I read it. It's 
>> Galadriel talking to Gimli the Dwarf. She says words to the effect that much 
>> gold would pass through his hands, but that it would not hold dominion over 
>> him.
>> 
>> I don't advocate wasteful lifestyles either, such as the time share 
>> billionaire in Florida who's building the largest house in America while 
>> telling his employees that if President Obama is reelected, he may have to 
>> downsize the company. Who needs the biggest house in America? That's all 
>> ego. In our country he may have every right to spend his money that way, but 
>> I believe he also has a moral responsibility not to. He may be free to build 
>> his house, but if he were truly free, he wouldn't have to.
>> 
>> My plumber put it another way: Want what you have.
>> 
>> Fairly smart piece of advice.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Jan Steinman wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think they mean the same thing. You can feel unattached to the food 
>>> you eat, but none of us are independent of food.
>>> 
>>> Did you mean "don't care" or did you mean "don't need?"
>>> 
>>> Bill Gates may claim to be "unattached" to his material goods. A tribe of 
>>> indigenous natives may well be independent of them.
>>> 
>>> My interpretation was that you were advocating a subsistence life-style!
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:32 AM, Jan Steinman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> But this one goes in my quotes database, Bob: "freedom is a state of 
>>>>> being independent of material goods."
>>> 
>> 
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