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Subject: Re: [OM] Camera bag getting a little heavy?
From: Dawid Loubser <dawid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:21:49 +0200
Oh, I am not by any means saying that art and photography is mutually
exclusive. Nor that something cannot be both art and photography.

But when the activity is compositing, the end-result is *not* a
photograph. It is a composite. A collage. A mixed-medium artwork.
Whatever you want to call it.

The meaning of photograph is well-understood by most people on the
planet to not include structural modification or re-arrangement of the
captured reality. The implication of some form of authenticity must be
retained. This is very different to, for example, altering contrast or
colour hues.

In this age of easy manipulation, if we can't be very clear about the
two forms of work (most basically by using different words for them) we
have a problem.

It's all about messing with the structure for me - as soon as you do,
it's not a photograph anymore. This is why the darkroom, and film-based
photography is so important to me.

Dawid



On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 07:32 -0400, NSURIT@xxxxxxx wrote:
> In a message dated 10/25/2012 5:51:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> dawid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> 
> I'm  sorry, but this is not photography. This is image compositing, using
> the  iPhone as a capture device for the raw images.
> 
> It is art, yes (almost  anything can be). It is creative, yes. In fact, I
> like many of her  resulting images very much. But it is NOT photography,
> and fewer and fewer  people seem to be able to make the distinction.
> 
> My  2c.
> Dawid
>  
> 
> Hmm, photography and art as separate disciplines. That conversation has  
> been going on almost from the beginning. If compositing is the piece that 
> kicks  it out of photography for you, that has been going on for a long time 
> also. 
>  
> 
> I would call your attention to:
>  
> 
> Oscar G. Rejlander
>  
> 
> Henry Peach Robinson
>  
> 
> Edouard Baldus
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> Gustave Le Gray
>  
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> Jerry Uelsmann
>  
> 
> John Paul Caponigro
>  
> 
> Lazlo Moholy-Nagy
>  
> 
> and any number of the Dada and Surrealist artists
>  
> I would wonder about photographs that have had color hand painted on them  
> or perhaps images produced through alternative processes with layers of 
> colors  (Gum Bi-chromate being an example.)
>  
> 
> I guess I'm happy with it being both art and photography rather than seeing 
>  the two disciplines as been mutually exclusive. 
>  
> For me, Karen's work is without question both art and  photography. 
>  
> Oh, I am not about to lighten the load of my kit.  My iphone is my  most 
> used light meter.  Hmm, both a phone and a light meter at the same  time.
>  
> Bill Barber 
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> 

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