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Subject: Re: [OM] [Way OT] And the science is hardly settled...
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:42:50 -0500
You might like to try this book
<http://www.amazon.com/Consciousness-Beyond-Life-Near-Death-Experience/dp/0061777269/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354901719&sr=8-1&keywords=consciousness+beyond+life>

The author is a Dutch cardiologist who covers his own lifetime of 
personal experience and research and well as several other studies that 
preceeded him.  Very detailed and, I must say, rather convincing.  He 
convincingly dismisses the hypothesis that NDEs are caused by lack of 
blood/oxygen to the brain and are similar to a pilots blackout.

I haven't finished it myself yet.  I've only had it a few days and find 
it difficult to put down.

Chuck Norcutt


On 12/7/2012 10:41 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
> Thanks for that, Chuck.
> I'll continue to give it some thought, based on your summary.  I'm not sure 
> about near-death experiences: part of me thinks that it might be 
> self-indulgent to consider that you can experience the afterlife while still 
> alive.  But, again, I'm happy to keep different ideas under consideration.
>
> Dawkins and his brand of aggressive atheism (evangelical atheism? :-)) causes 
> in me a very unChristian reaction . . .
>
> Chris
>
> On 7 Dec 2012, at 11:08, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Barbour's work is really about resolving the discrepancies between
>> relativity and quantum theories.  He does it by removing time from the
>> equations.  If time doesn't exist then relativity and quantum theory are
>> in agreement.  I'm actually (mostly) an agnostic but I find no conflict
>> between quantum theory and the existence of God.  Carried to its
>> ultimate, quantum theory says nothing exists except our consciousness.
>> Since Barbour's universe has no time everything that has, could or will
>> exist does exist.  Time is the perception of that timeless existence by
>> our consciousness.  What is the afterlife but a timeless (infinite)
>> existence of our consciousness?
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure Barbour probably knows Dawkins.  But I wouldn't presume to
>> know the nature of their discussions.  :-)
>>
>> ps:  I've recently become interested in accounts of near death
>> experiences (NDEs).  Some of the accounts of "time" by those who find an
>> afterlife are consistent with the view above.  Although there is a
>> perception of the sequential passage of time one need only think of
>> someone, somewhere or some "when" and you are there.
>
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