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Subject: [OM] Diminution of the Language?? [was Coffee Espresso Machine.]
From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:23:05 -0800
On 1/19/2013 1:59 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote:
> No, it has been assigned an inaccurate meaning by a group using a term seen 
> to be positive to promote an agenda.

Here's a question for you. Is it possible to legislate meaning of words? Calif. 
passed legislation some years ago that 
defines what the word "Organic" means on food labels. Producers must pass 
inspections/tests in order to be able to use 
it. Several other states have followed suit, generally, I believe, following 
the CA one, so products produced in one 
state may be sold in others.

One outcome is that many products, some actually food, have gone to use of the 
unregulated term, "natural" to say that 
their products come from nature, without the use/addition of industrially 
produced chemicals, or some such description. 
The folks making and using these products are pretty loose in their use of the 
term "chemical".

> It's like Macdonalds referring to their establishments as 'restaurants'. Like 
> hell they are.
> If the furniture is bolted down and you can hose it out, it's not a 
> restaurant.

That's a pure curmudgeon complaint. I just don't see the point of such a 
distinction. I've never eaten* McD's food, and 
have never had any trouble distinguishing it from purveyors of palatable food, 
just because it may be called a restaurant.

> There's an erosion of meaning going on.

Here, I'm torn between your stance of "erosion" and Mike's substitution of 
"evolution". Language does need to evolve, 
and making up new words seems not to be a natural process. As the evolution of 
the need for a new term/meaning develops 
gradually, it seems natural that people would start using a close seeming 
existing word. That seems to be how English 
has acquired many terms from other languages.

And in the case at hand, I'm not sure any significant problems of usage/meaning 
are actually occurring. How many people 
using 'organic' in the now common was about food actually have any need to know 
the different meaning to a chemist? Do 
you imagine any chemists are confused by the use in food labeling?

As long as nobody is hurt, I'm happy to accept the change as evolution.

The word we lost that I miss is 'discrimination'. This was a really useful word 
for talking about the ability to discern 
differences. The addition of the assumption of both value judgements and 
actions based on those judgments into the  word 
have left us the poorer in language.

Discernment doesn't have quite the same meaning, and "Capable of making find 
distinctions, but without necessarily 
assigning moral/meaning values to them, and certainly without acting based on 
them, without further words specifying 
so." is a bit awkward**.

  On 20/01/2013, at 5:53 AM, Mike Lazzari wrote:
>> The word "organic" has different meanings in different context. Not
>> unlike many words in English. Straighten out your panties folks.

Just so.

Naturally Organic Moose

* A careful distinction. I had children. They watched TV ads and had playmates. 
McD's had Happy Meals. I am not a 
tyrant, nor am I an absolutist. Thus, I purchased quite a few Happy Meals, and 
other such stuff. Never ate any, although 
I had a close call. One son, knowing I like dill pickles, offered the small, 
carefully centered one from his hamburger 
to me. I almost got it to my mouth before realizing the potential error of my 
ways. :-) ;-)

** One of those wonderful words that looks and sounds like its meaning. "... 
wkw ...", wow!

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