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Subject: Re: [OM] Grammar, was Paul's PAW - apparently, bad at math
From: Chris Barker <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:56:39 +0000
I might get that, Jez, thanks.

This is the book that I read around 20 years ago:  Grammar and Style, Michael 
Dummett, a university lecturer who tired of the poor English of his students:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grammar-Style-Examination-Candidates-Others/dp/0715624229/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383717154&sr=1-1&keywords=grammar+and+style

It's an easy read, perhaps because it is written well, slim and eminently 
portable.

Chris

On 5 Nov 13, at 22:25, Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> The sample pages (and maybe the rest of this book) are an interesting
> summary of the state of English as she is taught (or not) in England:
> 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Natives-Discover-Grammar-Dont/dp/1848548370/ref=pd_cp_b_2
> 
> On 05/11/2013, Chris Barker <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Exactamundo, Philippe.
>> 
>> But there’s a problem in your list of parts of the various verbs: most
>> native English speakers of my acquaintance would not understand the
>> differences.  Nor would they understand the parts of the verb that you have
>> written in the list.
>> 
>> English grammar in this country has been defunct as a part of education for
>> years.  Our well-educated visitors from other countries can perform much
>> better than the natives, if my experience is anything to go by.
>> 
>> Chris
>> On 5 Nov 2013, at 20:55, philippe.amard <philippe.amard@xxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Le 5 nov. 13 à 21:42, Chris Barker a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But it's probably where the confusion arises, mostly in your
>>>> country, between the 2 verbs "lie" and "lay".  :-)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just imagine the colateral damage in this country ;-)
>>> 
>>> to lie, lied, lied
>>> to lie, lay, lain
>>> to lay, laid, laid
>>> to lead, led, led
>>> 
>>> #&!!!@##*/???!
>>> 
>>> Ph
>> 
>> 
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