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Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
From: "Wayne Harridge" <wayne.harridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:35:59 +1100
Ethanol is for drinking, not burning !

...Wayne


> 
> Now let's get started on the myth of ETHANOL, and who is raking it in...
> 
> Old Rick - currently replacing fuel lines destroyed by that stuff!
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Nathan Wajsman
> <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> 
> > Preserving jobs by subsidizing farms is just about the most
> > inefficient way to do so. And we are talking a lot more money than "a
> > couple of billions". The bottom line is that we (both the US and
> > Europe) have a system where the ordinary worker's taxes are used to
> > subsidize mostly big farms, and to add spite to injury, the food
> > prices are higher than they need to be as a result.
> >
> > Like I said, pigs feeding at the trough.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nathan
> >
> > Op Wo, 6 november, 2013 16:55, schreef Ken Norton:
> > >> Yeah, lots of families here:
> > >> http://farm.ewg.org/top_recips.php?fips=00000&progcode=total
> > >
> > > Rice and cotton are another story. But you look at those subsidities
> > > and they were price support for when the commodity cost dropped far
> > > below cost of production. Granted, in the south, there are some
> > > massive corporate farms, but I scanned the list down into the 300s
> > > and still didn't find anything in Iowa.
> > >
> > > The reality is that for rice/cotton production, I doubt that there
> > > are many family farms just because of the volotility of those
> > > markets as well as cost of production. In the deep south, farming
> > > has pretty much always been big business.
> > >
> > > Where I do have a problem with the above situation, though, is that
> > > there should be a little more free and open market. If the commodity
> > > price of cotton and rice is too low to sustain itself, then convert
> > > over to something else for a while until the prices come back.
> > > Unfortunately, in the real world, this usually means loss of
> > > capability and allowing other producers to dominate in a way that
> > > there will never be any recovery. Once we lose cotton and rice
> > > production, it will forever be gone.
> > >
> > > And then it begs the question of what happens to the people who
> > > worked that industry? A couple billion dollars to a handful of
> > > producers to sustain production provides employment to a whole lot
> > > of people. If we didn't prop up the crop price, we would have spent
> > > just as much, if not a whole lot more on other programs to help the
> unemployed.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Norton
> > > ken@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > http://www.zone-10.com
> > > --
> > >
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