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Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] In case you hadn't heard....
From: Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:22:16 +0100
In the long run we are all dead anyway. 

I am all for green energy and all that, but realistically, for the next couple 
of decades we will continue to depend on traditional energy sources. And given 
that, I want to lesses the geopolitical consequences of that.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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YNWA









On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:00 AM, philippe.amard@xxxxxx wrote:

> This is a short term view Nathan, on all counts I'm afraid :-(
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> Amities
> Waste less want less Philippe
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> I think you mean fracking, not "tracking". If we in Europe are to have any 
> chance at all to influence the behaviour of rogue states like Russia, then we 
> must immediately start fracking on a big scale in places where shale oil is 
> likely to exist, such as the UK or Poland. We must also discard the stupid 
> antipathy against nuclear power. Otherwise, we will continue to depend on 
> various nasty regimes for our energy and will need to continue to prostitute 
> ourselves before the likes of Putin and various two-bit Central Asia 
> dictators.
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> Cheers,
> Nathan
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> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> http://www.greatpix.eu
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
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> YNWA
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> On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:45 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
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>> For me it’s because scientists have to guess first to find stuff out, Brian. 
>>  
>> 
>> And I don’t want to eat the results of someone’s guesswork, especially when 
>> there is no good reason so to do.  The idea of GM, as I understand it, is to 
>> reduce the need for pesticides and to improve yields.  But I heard some 
>> years ago that the pesticide argument didn’t work, that farmers merely 
>> became increasingly dependent on GM grain.  And increasing yield does 
>> nothing for taste or nutrition, again as I understand it.
>> 
>> I hold no antipathy towards scientist, applied or theoretical, but I 
>> continue to resent the dominance of commercial interest in many scientific 
>> endeavours: it pollutes the results or at least reduces our trust in those 
>> results.
>> 
>> It’s a bit of a stretch, I think, to attach people’s resistance to tracking 
>> to dependence on Russian energy: tracking has only recently been of interest 
>> to the public (not only the green lobby, but people who are near the 
>> threatened sites), whereas European dependence on energy has been increasing 
>> as North Sea oil reserves have dwindled.
>> 
>> Where I really get irritated about tracking is if politicians start to use 
>> the cost of energy as an argument for such exploration.  It seems to be 
>> pretty certain that any gas or oil that we find in the UK would merely be 
>> fed into the whole market.  My general objection to tracking is that a) we 
>> must reduce our dependence on such energy, not grow ever more frantic and 
>> destructive in our urgency to seek out more; b) that it would grossly 
>> disfigure our landscape.  If some of us worry now about the visual 
>> deterioration of the countryside because of wind farms, just look at what 
>> thousands of drilling sites would might do.
>> 
>> Finally, I accept that my criticism of science, Big Bang, GM or Higgs Boson 
>> was generally polemical.  But I remain seriously sceptical of wondrous 
>> solutions that hit the press 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> On 22 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Brian Gray  wrote:
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>>> As a retired applied scientist, I have to support Andrew in this argument.  
>>> Big
>>> bang theory seems a valid attempt to explain what happened although it 
>>> cannot ex
>>> plain the ultimate 'why'. And no one to my knowledge has produced any 
>>> weighty ar
>>> guments against GM foods in principle, however much one may regret some 
>>> particul
>>> ar versions, and none of Chris' aeroplanes would have flown without pretty 
>>> valid
>>> forms of aeronautical science.  My pet gripe at the moment is the way that 
>>> the
>>> 'green' lobby's activities over recent years against first nuclear power 
>>> and, no
>>> w in Europe, fracking have potentially crippled the western response to 
>>> events i
>>> n the Ukraine.  Energy independence from Russia for Europe would be more 
>>> immedia
>>> tely useful than the latest Typhoons and F16s.
>>> 
>>> Returning to the original argument, having been brought up in NE England 
>>> and sub
>>> sequently worked in Denmark for a while, I have always been interested in 
>>> the wa
>>> y Tyneside slang and accents can resemble Danish words.
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