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Re: [OM] Paul's PAW - Need an opinion. Or two.

Subject: Re: [OM] Paul's PAW - Need an opinion. Or two.
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 11:53:33 -0400
I have one of those too but never seem to have it with me when I need 
it.  A small piece of white paper or anything else that's reasonably 
white may do just as well or at least get you to 95% of the goal.  In 
this particular case I don't think I would truly white balance (I almost 
never do).  Assuming that the red is being cast by the monitor I think 
I'd white balance one image and then blend with the original to get 
something pleasing but much less red.

For your museum images I think a clean white balance was the right choice.

Chuck Norcutt


On 4/11/2014 5:30 PM, Moose wrote:
> On 4/10/2014 7:09 AM, Paul Braun wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Chuck Norcutt <
>> chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely color and definitely shot #1 (leaning back) for the pose.
>>> But what in the world happened to the color balance of #1 vs #2?  I find
>>> shot #1 uncomfortably red.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/10/2014 12:21 AM, Paul Braun wrote:
>>>> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=2909
>
> As a snap of a friend, sure. As a portrait to be viewed by someone like me, 
> who doesn't know him or the context, it's a
> throw away. Just my opinion.
>
>> Not 100% sure.  Both were developed with WB "as shot".  The leaning back
>> one was with the 14-54, the other one was with the u43 Panny 20/1.7.
>>
>> I re-did the temp really quick this morning before I left for work and
>> posted a new one, but I went too far, I think.
>>
>> The odd thing is that the color of his scrubs in the one you think is too
>> red is pretty much spot-on to reality.  Being Syrian, his skin is a bit
>> darker anyway.  When I get home and I'm not quite so rushed, I'll try to
>> find a good balance between the two.
>
> As you are given to shooting people in odd, mixed light, you might gain a lot 
> of benefit from a white balance reference.
>
> I carry one of these around in my wallet, like a credit card. 
> <http://michaeltapesdesign.com/whibal.html>
>
> I don't remember to use it as often as perhaps I should, but it is invaluable 
> in troublesome lighting. When taking pics
> of your famous friends, they need not even know. When they walk away, just 
> hold the WhiBal out at arms length in the
> light they were in, and take a shot. Process that one first, use the WB 
> dropper, and use the same settings for the rest.
>
> When shooting in a museum recently with the same lighting throughout, one 
> shot of the WhiBal balanced over 200 shots.
>
> You'd both save a lot of time, first second guessing yourself, then 
> responding to us - and you'd get better results.
>
> I've bent a paperclip to go through the little holes and hold it up when 
> sitting on a horizontal surface. I keep mine in
> a little sleeve in the wallet with the paperclip stand.
>
>    W.B. Moose
>
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