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Re: [OM] IMG: Sidewalk Cafe

Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Sidewalk Cafe
From: Chris Barker <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:07:54 +0100
Yes, that’s one of the drawbacks of smaller sensors, the effective DOF is 
deeper than full frame or 35mm.  The benefit of the smaller sensor is that the 
device is smaller and you’re more likely to have it with you when the 
opportunity for such a shot arises.

Chris

On 29 Jun 2014, at 15:43, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> To each his own.  But today I couldn't duplicate the f/4 shot on full frame 
> without using the Canon 5D.  Using the E-M5 with 12-50mm at 45mm the largest 
> aperture available is f/6.0.  That would be like shooting at f/12 with the 
> full frame. All those guys in the background would be pretty sharp.
> 
> Chuck Norcutt
> 
> 
> On 6/29/2014 9:50 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
>> I like the degree of DOF that has occurred here, Chuck – the softness
>> doesn’t hurt my eyes; and although I agree with you about the
>> principle of framing with regard to limbs, I would accept this one as
>> is.
>> 
>> And the expression on the girl’s face is great.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> On 29 Jun 2014, at 13:53, Chuck Norcutt
>> <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> But I do have different ideas about the sidewalk cafe shot and not
>>> with respect to white balance.  Two things hit me between the eyes
>>> when I first looked at the image.  I think the DOF is too shallow.
>>> The guys in the background should be soft but not so soft as to
>>> strain my eyes. I've estimated that this shot was taken at about
>>> 20-25 feet.  With a 90mm at f/4 there's not much depth there.  For
>>> a street photo where one has to move fairly quickly I would likely
>>> have used f/5.6 or even f/8. Yes, I know, I'm not the Leica shooter
>>> trying to shoot everything wide open.  Anyhow, if the shot is
>>> important enough, it's not hard to adjust the depth of field from
>>> sharper to blurrier.  But going the other way is tough.
>>> 
>>> My second point is something that was drilled into me years ago.
>>> The woman's shoe is not entirely within the frame.  I would likely
>>> have discarded this frame (as I have many others) based solely on
>>> that point.  My personal rule is that, if the foot (hand, etc) is
>>> in the frame, it must be complete.  If not, an alternate crop at
>>> ankle or calf or knee level might be better.  This one is close
>>> enough to being complete that I would even consider extending the
>>> frame and painting in the rest of the shoe and sidewalk.  A bit
>>> extreme perhaps but that's the way I was taught about taking
>>> pictures of people.  Sometimes tough on me since I continue to make
>>> that same framing "mistake" over and over.
>> 
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