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Re: [OM] The Adobe tax

Subject: Re: [OM] The Adobe tax
From: Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:52:52 +0100
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On 4 July 2014 16:15, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Yes, I kind of figured it did something like creating a database from EXIF
> data since one of the surprises was discovering that clicking on "Map"
> showed me several hundred images that had GPS data from the US and UK (all
> from my Samsung P&S).  However, I don't know how to access the images from
> that database data yet.
>
> I had already done as you suggested "Click to the left of Folders to open
> it up and you will see your PC's drives. Click on any of them to see which
> directories (folders) have files in them "  When I do that I see local disk
> F, main folder Photos followed by my dated photo folders.  Exactly as I
> would have expected since that's what I told it to import.  The mystery is
> that that list of hundreds of folders is not scrollable.  I can see exactly
> 16 folders all in proper date order but nothing beyond that.  For the life
> of me I cannot figure out how to scroll the list.  Very frustrating since
> scrolling of lists is a pretty well defined process on a Windows computer.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
>
> On 7/4/2014 9:31 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
>
>> 65000 images in your library? Congratulations, and welcome to the fold
>> (although I sense you will be guarded in joining the fold).
>>
>> I don't for a minute believe that you don't know what LR did overnight -
>> it
>> has built a relational database of your images and the EXIF data
>> accompanying them, and will later add to that database any keywords you
>> might add, as well as all the editing instructions you wish. But it's only
>> the database that LR tinkers with, not the image files.
>>
>> Assuming that you asked LR to "Add" the imases on import, nothing will
>> have
>> moved on disk, everything is still where it was - and you can see that,
>> for
>> example, by looking in the LH panel in the Library module. See the
>> Catalog,
>> Folders, Collections tabs? Click to the left of Folders to open it up and
>> you will see your PC's drives. Click on any of them to see which
>> directories
>> (folders) have files in them - you may need to open up all the way down
>> the
>> tree - the number of images in each folderis listed to the right of the
>> folder name.
>>
>> Another way, from  the bottom up rather than top down, is to right click
>> on
>> any image in the Library module and select "Go to folder in Library" which
>> will open up the folder tree in the LH panel at the point where your image
>> is located. Or select "Show in Explorer" which will do just as it
>> suggests.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Piers
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: olympus
>> [mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Chuck Norcutt
>> Sent: 04 July 2014 14:17
>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [OM] The Adobe tax
>>
>> I actually own both CS6 and LR5.  In fact I've owned many versions of LR
>> over the years but never started one up in earnest (let it create a
>> library) until last night.  I handed it the top level folder for my
>> existing
>> images (a by date folder structure) and let it run for 3 hours.
>>    I really have no clue what it did except that it appears to have
>> created a
>> "collection" of some 65,000 images with no differentiation that I can see.
>> My original date structure seems to be inaccessible.  I hope that's not
>> what
>> I have to use in the future.
>>
>> Yes, I understand that there's no problem for me at the moment.  I just
>> wish
>> I knew what the problem will be in the future since I'm convinced there
>> will
>> be one.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/2014 5:48 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
>>
>>> We are talking hypothetically, about what might be to come, after you
>>> have bought a boxed latest version of LR, but without having upgraded
>>> PSCS6.  ACR supplied with CS6 will have been superseded, and the
>>> version supplied with LR is that newer ACR (you wouldn't have bought LR f
>>>
>> that wasn't the case).
>>
>>> It's the position I was in before I upgraded to CS6 - CS5's ACR would
>>> not open the raw files from the camera I had, but LR would. I had to
>>> open them in LR before doing any edits in PS - CS5 could not take
>>> advantage of the newer ACR in LR.
>>>
>>> But keep in mind Mike Gordon's comment that for now, Adobe are
>>> updating the
>>> CS6 ACR, so there isn't a problem yet.
>>>
>>> Piers
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: olympus
>>> [mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt
>>> Sent: 03 July 2014 22:45
>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [OM] The Adobe tax
>>>
>>> Is there compatibility between the versions of ACR supplied in
>>> Lightroom and those in PhotoShop?  Or would raw conversion require
>>> operating in Lightroom first and then moving to PS?
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/3/2014 1:40 PM, Piers Hemy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Partly erroneous, Chuck. PS is no longer available as a boxed product.
>>>> LR is, and AIUI will continue to be so.
>>>>
>>>> Their past practice with PS was to allow upgrades to (for example)
>>>> CS5 from
>>>> CS2,3 or 4. They discontinued that at least a year ago, so you could
>>>> upgrade to CS6 only from CS5. That limitation does not apply to LR -
>>>> any prior version is OK. And that is the "past practice" I had in
>>>> mind, although I wasn't assuming anything!
>>>>
>>>> Piers
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: olympus
>>>> [mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt
>>>> Sent: 03 July 2014 16:27
>>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] The Adobe tax
>>>>
>>>> It was my assumption (perhaps erroneous) that henceforth PS and LR or
>>>> their upgrade versions will no longer be available as something I can
>>>> buy.  You
>>>> say: "If they continue their past practice with LR..."  Why do you
>>>> assume that?  Why would I not also assume that they will continue
>>>> their past practice with PS and I can continue as I always have?
>>>>
>>>> If I'm happy with the function of PS6 and I can get a copy of the
>>>> most recent ACR by occasionally popping $75 for a Lightroom upgrade
>>>> I'd be happy and not bother with the $10/month tax.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2014 10:49 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1       By signing up for the Creative Cloud Photography subscription,
>>>>> but
>>>>> you knew that. Currently $10 per month with a minimum term of one
>>>>> year, and no sign of that pricegoing up, on the contrary they keep
>>>>> extending the limited time offer price, and relaxing the conditions
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>> qualify for it.
>>>>
>>>>> 2       By upgrading to the latest version of Lightroom. Currently $75
>>>>> at
>>>>> B&H (but included with PSCC in the subscription, as you also know).
>>>>> If they continue their past practice with LR, you will be able to
>>>>> upgrade
>>>>> LR5 to LR 6, 7 or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both options include the latest ACR, and minor upgrades to it .
>>>>>
>>>>> But is there something I missed in your question?
>>>>>
>>>>> Piers
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: olympus
>>>>> [mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt
>>>>> Sent: 03 July 2014 13:14
>>>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] The Adobe tax
>>>>>
>>>>> 2-3 years from now how will I be able to acquire a new version of ACR?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/3/2014 12:54 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't use LR what might be the point, Chuck?  I'd do so only
>>>>>> when
>>>>>>
>>>>> you need the new version of ACR.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3 Jul 14, at 00:09, Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>> <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Adobe keeps sending me reminders that I should pay the $9.99
>>>>>>> monthly PS &
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lightroom tax.  With CS6 and LR5 I already have more function than I
>>>>> can use and/or learn in the next 10-20 years (my probable lifetime).
>>>>> But I don't know what I'd do if Olympus delivers a full-frame
>>>>> mirrorless camera 3 years from now and I don't have a version of ACR
>>>>> to support it since I am an ACR junkie at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What say y'all.  Pay up or.... ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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