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Re: [OM] The Adobe tax - Chris & Jez

Subject: Re: [OM] The Adobe tax - Chris & Jez
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 17:37:59 -0400
I think you must have a distorted view of how PS and ACR handle images. ACR is certainly the engine for doing all of the "developing" work that you've described but ACR does not modify original raw files... ever. It creates a side-car file for each raw file it works on which describes the modifications that have been done. The original raw file is never modified.

Also, ACR does not necessarily convert each image individually. It can readily convert a group of images all at once if using the same parameters is applicable. My normal method of work with ACR is to review the exposures and group them for conversion. For example, lets say I took 5 separate images of 5 individuals all with much different exposures. Lets say I also took 10 images of a group of people all at the same or similar exposure and another 10 images of another group of people with different exposure from the first group but similar within the group. Now I have 3 different exposure groups to work on.

For the 5 images of individuals all having different exposures I would load them into ACR all at the same time but probably work on each individually. When done with these I would save them into a sub-folder (of my own convention) called "Converted". But what's being saved is an intermediate work file that may also go into PS either now or later for further editing work. The original raw file still exists but is now paired with a side-car file that allows recreating what I just did from the raw file if needed.

For the 2 groups of 10 images all having similar exposures within the group I would load all of the first group's images into ACR at once. I would choose one of the 10 to work on. After I got that one right I'd tell ACR to apply the same changes to the other 9 files. But, since there might be slight differences between the 10 images I'd first step through the conversions and see if I agree with what was done to each. Usually yes, but sometimes I choose to apply a small tweak here or there. Then I save the intermediate images for possible later work in PhotoShop.

Then I'd to the same thing for the 10 images of the second group.

Note that saving an intermediate file that I choose to call "converted" is not a necessary step. If I wanted to do so I could go directly from ACR into PhotoShop. The intermediate stage would then only exist in memory and not as a separate file. But a separate file would have to be created eventually as an output JPEG.

I should also note that, in my own personal work process, a "converted" file is simply a conversion from raw to some output format whose only changes are those that can be done by ACR. "Retouching" is the next process and that consists of things that PhotoShop can do but ACR can't. If it requires a mask ACR can't do it.

I almost forgot. Bridge or FastStone or BreezeBrowser (or similar) is the means of browsing and selecting multiple images to be passed to ACR or PhotoShop.

Chuck Norcutt


On 7/4/2014 4:53 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Chuck

On the assumption that you included me in that question, my view is that using Aperture/LR is 
much easier and simpler than using ACR/Bridge/PS.  You import the files to the application 
and therefore to the catalogue (or library); in doing so you generate a preview that is an 
interpretation of the Raw file; with that preview you can carry out various operations, just 
like in ACR but more far-reaching, but you do not touch the original file.  For most of my 
images I merely adjust levels and perhaps a little “definition” (Aperture LCE, 
I think) and then output the file to email, website or print.  The original file remains in 
situ, untouched, but you have a product from it that you can use.  I think that LR develop is 
just like that.

With ACR/Bridge/PS you have to take each image individually and convert them 
from Raw.  If you use Bridge as a DAM it is probably easier than I am 
suggesting, but if you convert each Raw file that you want to use with ACR the 
LE/Aperture path is, as I wrote above, much easier and simpler.

Chris

On 4 Jul 2014, at 19:04, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So I ask the two of you, what do you think that you can do in the LR develop 
module that you might not be able to do in PS/Bridge?

Chuck Norcutt

On 7/4/2014 1:47 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote:
In recent times I've only used the wimpy ACR in Elements so I can't compare
to PS/Bridge, but I love what I can do in the Develop module in LR.  And
the Print module is excellent.

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