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Re: [OM] [OT] Two thirds of anti-virus users have infected PCs

Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Two thirds of anti-virus users have infected PCs
From: Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:36:32 +0000
What concerns me is the idea that my trusted anti-virus tools are not
finding all the malware.
I regularly run other tools ad-hoc, but they never find anything either.
And I don't have any anti-virus on my iPhone.
Jez

On 26 October 2014 17:06, Scott Gomez <sgomez.baja@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I'm suspicious of the general tone of that article, as Mr. Briere is
> flogging the new network-based protection from the French company. That
> said: There's no software or hardware that is going to protect end-users
> willing to click on links they haven't checked, nor unwilling to implement
> good passwords, different on each site on which they log in, etc. Its
> possible to educate about those things, but a surprising number of people
> are quite resistant to doing what they have to in order to be safer.
> Coupled with the inherently poorer security model under which Windows was
> designed, compared with Mac, Linux, and now Chrome OS, infection rates
> remain high.
>
> Add to that the fact that Windows users are well-trained by the OS itself
> to do exactly what they shouldn't: download things from all over the 'net.
> The way in which device drivers and other necessary software are provided
> virtually guarantees the situation is as it is. Given that environment, the
> average person simply doesn't know enough systems administration, nor
> enough about networking, to be able to adequately maintain and safeguard
> their equipment.
>
> A large portion of the problem, I believe, is the idea that many people
> have that they simply must use a Windows PC to be able to do what they
> want. I'd say that at least 75% of those I know do NOT need a Windows (or
> any other) desktop or laptop PC. As people who primarily use the web for
> things like email, facebook, google+, twitter and pinterest, any device
> which provides a web browser would be adequate. Even the sort of photo
> editing they care to do can be done that way.
>
> While it's not a complete answer to the issues of malware, simply
> encouraging those who don't need a PC to switch to something like an iOS or
> Android tablet, or a Chromebook or Chromebox would solve much of the issue
> of malware by vastly reducing the available attack surface. It would save
> most people a good deal of money and aggravation, also.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > It surprised me what % of mobiles have viruses...
> >
> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014, ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Use safer products, perhaps, Jez.  I was rather dismayed to note that
> > > ChrisT was still using IE6.  I would guess that there are many who
> still
> > > use Outlook Express, another risk to the Internet society, as I
> > understand
> > > it.
> > >
> > > And use safer practices.  Start a voluntary team to help non-digi-savvy
> > > people with their online habits: don’t click on links, but copy them to
> > the
> > > address bar in the browser, for instance.  My 80 year-old mother is
> > pretty
> > > good at this now.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > > On 26 Oct 14, at 07:09, Jez Cunningham <jez.cunningham@xxxxxxxxx
> > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> www.cable.co.uk/news/two-thirds-of-anti-virus-users-have-infected-pcs-700000179
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.cable.co.uk/news/two-thirds-of-anti-virus-users-have-infected-pcs-700000179
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scary thought - but what can WE do about it?
> > >
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