Chuck, I'm gonna chime in one more time. All of us who have commented
on the progress of our families would be classified among the "haves".
Some of AG's examples may fall in both the "haves" and "have nots", but
the shortcoming that I see most often falls among the "have nots". Many
of these people, perhaps for no fault of their own, have fallen into a
lifestyle that takes no responsibility for its actions, and that is
getting passed on, by example, to another generation.
I grew up in the 1930s, when people sought help from others as a last
resort, and tried their best to become self-supporting. I saw that
first hand. I seldom see that anymore.
Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
On 9/10/2015 4:49 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
Yes, another +1 to his Mooseness. My own kids and grandkids are doing
exceptionally well in school and in life. I don't know who has the
delinquents but they're not mine. :-)
Chuck Norcutt
On 9/9/2015 8:27 PM, Scott Gomez wrote:
+1 to his mooseness.
And thanks for saving me a bunch of typing, Moose, as I was about to
respond in like fashion.
On Sep 9, 2015 11:38 AM, "Moose" <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 9/9/2015 9:18 AM, Jim Nichols wrote:
Ken, I had the same thoughts. There seems to be a real lack of
personal
responsibility these days, and I'm afraid it is being passed on to
another
generation.
OK, I gotta break out of our Brooklyn idyll to ask a question.
Do most of you lovely folks really believe that the overall
intelligence
and common sense of USian young people is declining? Of the West in
general?
Jim, is this true of your kids, grandkids and greatgrandkids? Or
only of
others that you don't know but hear about?
Might many of us be looking with the perspective of age, conveniently
forgetting certain aspects of our own youths?
Might the dramatic change in media/information resources more
dramatically
and often show the results of regular old stupidity and the age old
foolish
risk taking of young men that we would not have known of in past
decades?
Hanging around in the Windsor Terrace area of Brooklyn, walking a lot,
sitting outside at a restaurant, etc. I've been impressed at the
number of
young people on the streets with kids, how busy the local playground
is,
etc. Lots of pregnant women, many pushing strollers. I don't know
how old
they are, but everybody looks happy, healthy, well fed and clothed,
etc.
Traveling up through Harlem and back, the kids changed average color
and
language, but nonetheless appeared well and well looked after.
Whether our country should be reproducing at the rate we are, I don't
know, nor what to do about it if the answer were 'no'.
On 9/9/2015 11:13 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
This story is so wrong on many levels. We talk about gun laws, but
what about laws that should prevent such a young person from already
being a father to two children.
So, you might like to go back to the idea of Eugenics?
I guess that I'm off the rails on this one, but nobody should be
allowed to marry or have children until they are 25.
I married at just barely 22. Should someone else have decided whether I
could or couldn't? Had my first child at 27. Whew, dodged the bullet
there.
And even then,
you should have to pass a means and intelligence test.
Well, that should certainly put the cap on the Decline of the West, as
no-one else will do it. Did you know, and perhaps decline to recall the
European countries that have put major incentives in place to keep the
birth rate at or above replacement?
As with Eugenics, who gets to set the standards?
Might we then want to set standards to be enforced as to other
aspects of
behavior?
You are off the rails and started down a slippery slope.
I can see where having girls the age of yours, and one suddenly off
out of
sight and control might scare the hell out of you, but
generalization of an
imagined solution to your fears isn't valid.
Moose D'Opinion
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