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Re: [OM] Digital Noise

Subject: Re: [OM] Digital Noise
From: ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:33:34 +0100
Thanks, Chuck.  I did study physics, but I must have missed the lessons on 
digital sensors ;-)

But what is the difference between digital and image sensors, in this context?

Chris

> On 22 Sep 2015, at 15:06, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Did you not study physics?  Does this paper help?
> <http://people.csail.mit.edu/hasinoff/pubs/hasinoff-photon-2012-preprint.pdf>
> 
> From the first page of the paper:
> Image sensors measure scene irradiance by *counting* the number of discrete 
> photons incident on the sensor over a given time interval. In digital 
> sensors, the photoelectric effect is used to convert photons into electrons, 
> whereas image-based sensors rely on photo-sensitive chemical reactions. In 
> both cases, the independence of random individual photon arrivals leads to 
> photon noise, a signal-
> dependent form of uncertainty that is a property of the underlying signal 
> itself.
> 
> My emphasis on *counting*
> Chuck Norcutt
> 
> 
> On 9/22/2015 1:10 AM, ChrisB wrote:
>> It would have been a great illustration if only he had been able to
>> count the drops.  Because he couldn’t I felt that it was a rather
>> pointless one.  And I come back to his definition of noise: the
>> variation in numbers of drops doesn’t seem to me to be a clever way
>> to describe it.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep 15, at 01:13, Chuck Norcutt
>>> <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, I rather liked the analogy of raindrops and the quantum
>>> nature of light.  Made perfect sense to me.
>>> 
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/21/2015 5:25 PM, ChrisB wrote:
>>>> Not as far as I could tell, Moose. I didn't mind the article, but
>>>> I didn't like his description of noise: the variation in light
>>>> hitting the sensor.
>>>> 
>>>> I think that you'd enjoy reading it.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris
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