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Subject: Re: [OM] 2016 - Few Fotos For Fun
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:52:42 +0200
Le 27 avr. 2016 à 18:49, ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> No, it’s the wind turbines that go into standby, for just that reason.  The 
> grid pays the operators to stop their turbines during time of low usage.
> 
> Assuming that that EIA table is representative of real life, it looks like 
> offshore is pretty pricey, but does the nuclear capital cost include the 
> decommissioning?  

Agreed

> And where do we put the waste?

In my backyard in Meuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meuse/Haute_Marne_Underground_Research_Laboratory


> 
> With regard to conventional generation, we are running out of the stuff to 
> fuel it, Chuck.

Shoot film ;-)

Ph

> 
> Yes, we need batteries.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2016, at 12:52, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> But what have you gained?  The grid is still dependent on conventional power 
>> stations operating in inefficient standby mode to compensate for the wind 
>> and solar systems that can not and never will produce power on demand.
>> 
>> Offshore wind has a capital cost about 50% greater than nuclear and 
>> operational and maintenance cost that is about double. 
>> <http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/electricity_generation.cfm 
>> <http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/electricity_generation.cfm>>  And that 
>> doesn't count the cost of the backup power stations which have to have equal 
>> power capacity and still have to operate about 2/3 of the time.
>> 
>> Wind and solar would make more sense if there were such things as giant 
>> batteries but there are no such (affordable) things today nor on anyone's 
>> technology horizon. 
>> <http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/innovation/the-search-for-a-better-battery 
>> <http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/innovation/the-search-for-a-better-battery>>
>>   The lithium-ion battery was the last major breakthrough in battery 
>> technology and, apart from minor engineering improvements, there has been 
>> nothing new in 25 years.
> 
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