What progress?
Ph
Le 29 juin 2016 à 22:55, John Hudson <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> Let's meet in 10 years and review progress !
>
> jh
>
> On 6/29/2016 5:34 PM, Philippe wrote:
>>
>> Le 29 juin 2016 à 20:19, John Hudson <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
>>> Ian ..... left unsaid so far on this forum has been any expression of
>>> potential future events should the UK have voted to have remained in the
>>> EU. For instance, is a not a long shot at all to surmise that within the
>>> next ten years the following would have occurred or be in active process of
>>> completion:
>>>
>>> 1 Abandonment of the Pound and adoption of the Euro with little say by the
>>> UK
>>> 2 Banking union
>>> 3 Integration of the UK taxation system into an EU wide tax code
>>> 4 Complete subservience of the UK judicial system to the EU Court of Justice
>>> 5 Oversight of the UK budget preparation process and submission to
>>> Parliament along with EU rights to reject or amend same without any right
>>> of appeal
>>> 6 Ultimate control of the NHS and other welfare facilities by the EU
>>> 7 Loss of control of the UK's armed forces in favour of the EU
>>> 8. Complete oversight of UK foreign policy by the EU with mandatory
>>> directives from the EU to alter course where it saw fit.
>>> 9 Change over from driving on the left to the right
>>> 10. Abandonment of gasolene and diesel powered vehicles a la Norway in
>>> favour of electric and pedal powered vehicles.
>>>
>>> Sounds funny .......... I really do not think so. Perhaps there was a lot
>>> of other good reasons to vote to get off the bus other than wanting to take
>>> control of the borders.
>>>
>>> jh
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well, well, well …
>>
>> Let me think.
>>
>> 1) Pure fantasy - the Euro is optional in the EU. Opt in, opt out, whatever.
>> 2) Definitely not within a 10 years timespan, and even if … BTW: Do Jersey
>> and Guernsey still want to become blacklisted?
>> 3) Probably not with the current system that requires unanimous decisions.
>> Even VAT is incredibly intricate and different from one country to another.
>> The Germans would oppose that for instance as their VAT also funds Länder,
>> read local authorities, etc.
>> 4) Doesn't deal with criminal matters in the first place, Farage and Johnson
>> can breathe, for a while. For the rest, most decisions of the ECJ favour
>> liberalism more than anything else.
>> 5) Not very likely - out of the power of the EU as it is, notably "amend".
>> 6) If so, it would probably for the better for the understaffed, underfunded
>> Service and for ill taken care of citizen… (get back to the Beveridge report
>> (1942) and see how generous the British were, then.
>> 7) Under NATO yes! Within shared power in the EU if? Very unlikely, think of
>> the Germans and their Constitution.
>> 8) Catherine Ashton was the Foreign Commissioner and was highly praised on
>> her achievements (irony in there). In any case, a body of countries is
>> certainly stronger than an isolated one.
>> 9) Exactly, let's try on the first day with the lorries, and cars on the
>> next day. Survivors will enjoy a free road on the third. Why should the EU
>> want to change that? Ludicrous.
>> 10) And so what? Good for the lungs, the heart and coronation streets.
>>
>> You may read too much of the ill informed media John I'm sorry.
>> Get into the details of how decisions are made at the EU level and you'll
>> see that none, not one, of your conjectures passes the test of reality
>> within those 10 years.
>> Now, the game has changed, and one opponent to the European idea(l) has
>> left, things might get faster.
>>
>> Amities
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>>
>>
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