Yes, that looks better.
Thanks,
Tina
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Chuck Norcutt <
chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree with Tina, I don't like Moose's corrections (maybe a first?).
>
> I have a much different view of the image. I don't think there's much of
> a color correction problem... it is, after all, taken inside a darkened red
> tent. But the camera captures more of the real color that our eyes/brain
> manage to soften.
>
> I think the real problem is the young man seated in front of the open
> doorway which is about 4 stops brighter than the interior. I can't do
> Moose's overlays but I have included a link that shows Tina's original
> photo and one with my corrections that include: Slightly reduced red
> saturation to the whole image, slightly brightening the young man above his
> knee, dehazing that part of him, a slight sharpening of his face and then
> more dehazing on his hair.
>
> original <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=20430>
> my fixes <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=20432>
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
>
> On 7/15/2016 7:45 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Moose. I get what you are saying. Color does not move me the way
>> B&W does and I'm sure that's obvious in my photos. I started out with B&W
>> film and Kodachrome. I actually have a WhiBal which I use when I remember
>> it. Otherwise, I try to find something in the frame that is supposed to
>> be
>> black or grey. That works a lot of the time. Circumstances like the red
>> tent which casts a red light onto the black that I'm trying to use to
>> balance are not always an easy fix. I don't want to neutralize the light
>> that is influencing their lives. Sometimes I think I should just leave it
>> as is. I usually like your corrections much better than anything I can
>> do,
>> but this time I don't. The faces are too orange - almost neon-like.
>> Thanks for trying, though.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/15/2016 10:00 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>
>>> PESO:
>>>>
>>>> We were invited to lunch with a Qashqai family in the desert near
>>>> Shiraz.
>>>> This is the inside of their tent:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/image/163678790
>>>>
>>>> I took lots of photos in this terrible, awful light. The people are
>>>> beautiful but you'd never know it in this light! I'll be working on
>>>> these
>>>> today and tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's not difficult to correct, but probably requires PS skills you don't
>>> have and don't particularly want to learn. <
>>> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Manley/Marshla_and_Ehsan.htm>
>>>
>>> Separate layers for her face and skin, his face, their clothing and the
>>> rest. All adjusted separately. Background by trying the color sampler on
>>> various neutralish looking things. Skin tones cribbed from the image of
>>> Azar, then adjusted differently for each. Clothing using PS Auto Color
>>> and
>>> adjusting Opacity.
>>>
>>> Probably not "right"; I wasn't there, but plausible.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be gratefully attempted!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Or maybe not. I've suggested before the use of a neutral reference in any
>>> unusual light. You haven't attempted it.
>>>
>>> A shot or two of one in this light, perhaps while waiting for the girls
>>> to
>>> get gussied up, and this would all be a doodle, correct the whole series
>>> at
>>> once, with more accurate color than anything done in post without a
>>> reference.
>>>
>>> Consider Steve McCurry. I was gifted with his book Portraits. There's
>>> some
>>> good stuff in there, but not a patch on what you do. His are stiff, cool,
>>> and often staged looking- repetitive, too, after too many of them. Yours
>>> are natural, warm and engaging, human, where his are mostly not.
>>>
>>> But look at his colors! I don't know what he is using; there are endless
>>> tools, from simple to complex, but he's making the colors work for him
>>> and
>>> his subjects, not against them. He's probably thinking about light and
>>> color long before he takes a single shot. I don't know if it's because
>>> you
>>> started out as a B&W photographer, and still sort of think of color as a
>>> not so nice accessory, but you don't appear to really think about it when
>>> shooting.
>>>
>>> You are happy to spend many thousands of $ on gear, much more on travel
>>> to
>>> find subjects, and schlep around a lot of gear. Then you skip a simple
>>> step
>>> and end up with color problems. You can buy a neutral reference the size
>>> of
>>> a credit card for a couple of $ and carry it with you with no effort at
>>> all. Is that as fancy, as effective as the more powerful, multicolor
>>> references? Nah, but it would work miracles for your work. The 90%
>>> solution
>>> is a lot better than 0%.
>>>
>>> Not all of us see the same way, both physiologically and mentally. If you
>>> just don't notice color in the excitement of shooting, you could just
>>> force
>>> yourself to shoot a reference in each different place you go into with
>>> camera. Soon, it would become a habit, and no effort at all.
>>>
>>> I happen to use a WhiBal, which is always in my wallet. If you don't like
>>> that, there are plenty of other sorts of reference cards, opal glass like
>>> "filters" that go over a lens for WB reference, light meters that read
>>> color, and so on.
>>>
>>> Where it's allowed, I shoot lots of pics in museums. It is for me a
>>> wonderful way to supplement my memory. But museum lighting is far from
>>> neutral, usually quite warm. So I shoot the WhiBal in each area with
>>> different light, and my pics show the true colors of the art.
>>>
>>> Try it!
>>>
>>> Colorfully Balanced Moose
>>>
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