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Re: [OM] The Tin Triangle

Subject: Re: [OM] The Tin Triangle
From: Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 12:35:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
     Aviation history is full of such accidents.  A B-52 at Malstrom AFB (?) 
was being piloted by a hot dog senior officer.  He tried making a tight turn at 
low altitude, got into an accelerated stall, and crashed nose and wingtip 
first, killing everyone aboard.

     A C-141 crashed at Sondestrom AB in 1976 with a heavy load of fuel.  It 
landed hard, bounced, became airborne, stalled, and a friend of mine was the 
firt to die when it hit the ground banking to the right.  The aircrew had been 
out partying the night before.

     During WWII a demonstreation flight of a Waco assault glider ended 
tragically when a wing strut failed, killing a number of executives and 
dignataries.  Those gliders killed more allied servicemen than any German 
weapon.

     A pre-production C-130H wa demonstrating high-angle takeoff capability at 
Warner-Robins AFB when the #4 engine failed, and the aircraft quickly banked to 
the right, stalled, and crashed just off the runway.

     There are lots of other examples, but these come first to mind.

Chris

>
>The very first Vulcan delivered to RAF provided the first example of the
>front seat crew ejecting, while the rest (+1 civilian passenger!)
>perished... at London Heathrow airport of all places... and (strange to
>relate), the Vulcan did not have ILS fitted... yet the Air Marshal up front
>(perfectly normal, no doubt) allegedly insisted on landing in very poor
>weather. RIP three squadron leaders and one Avro technical advisor.
>
>Memorable for all the wrong reasons.
>
>Google XA897.
>
>
>> It’s horrible, John!  I only ever entered a Vulcan like that, as a
>> visitor.  I never flew the dreadful machine.
>>
>> Yes, the rear crew have departed successfully through the lower hatch.  In
>> fact, on one occasion a crewman forgot to detach his mic/tel lead and
>> remained stuck in the hatch as a result; his two colleagues passed him by
>> before he could retrieve himself and attempt another escape – successful
>> this time.
>>
>> A colleague of mine on Jaguars had flown Vulcans before his conversion to
>> fast jets.  He had occasion to eject once, but only after the rear crew and
>> copilot had gone.  Apparently he flew it for a minute or two with the roof
>> hatch gone, just to see what it was like.
>>
>> There have been at least two instances where the rear crew could not
>> escape because the aircraft was too low – as ChrisT was relating about the
>> “Buff”.
>>
>> >
>> > I went on a MX5 run on Sunday to the Gloucestershire Jet Age Museum. 
>> > One of the exhibits was the "front end" of a Vulcan Bomber also known 
>> > as the Tin Triangle. Hmmmm !! Respect for all who flew in them. As 
>> > Chris B has said before visibility can be likened to  looking through 
>> > a keyhole. My not too nimble frame had great difficulty getting into 
>> > a front seat and then the centre console was pulled into place. I do 
>> > not know how they could have ejected without leaving skin and 
>> > possibly parts of their anatomy behind!!!The Navigator, bombardier  
>> > and engineer had marginally more room, but sliding out of the escape 
>> > hatch was a risky business at best. Did any crews successfully 
>> > "escape" Survival did not seem to uppermost in the designers mind. I 
>> > can now see where Chris was coming from when he said he was glad they 
>> > are all grounded.  A VERY interesting visit. 
>> > Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK
>>
>
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