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Subject: Re: [OM] Flying high
From: "Wayne Harridge" <wayne.harridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:28:47 +1000
Thanks Scott, you expressed it much better than I could.

...Wayne



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Subject: Re: [OM] Flying high

Since you brought it up, Ken...

At the start, the passenger had NOT resorted to any sort of violent
behavior, simply refused to cooperate. In fact, at that point literally NO
ONE had volunteered. He threatened absolutely no one, and your portrayal of
him as a "fully-crazed out lunatic" is inventive, to say the least. There
were literally hundreds of alternative approaches that could have been taken
by United personnel in this situation without resorting to violence.
That's been demonstrated by airlines in many other parts of the world.

Just as there are, most often, literally hundreds of approaches that can be
taken by police in the USA in most situations without resorting to violence.
That's successfully demonstrated by police forces in many parts of the world
on a daily basis, and the statistics back it up.

But, in the USA, we give far too many "enforcement" personnel far too many
violent alternatives for ready use, and totally insufficient training in how
to avoid the need for violence in the first place.

So, as the old saying goes, when all you've got is a hammer, everything
starts looking like a nail.

Not to put too fine a point on it: f**k United Airlines. If they're going to
resort to thuggery, they can damn well have someone else's money, because
they're sure as hell never getting mine again.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:50 AM Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Mike Rowe did a fantastic job of writing about this. It's weird that I 
> find myself agreeing with him more and more, the older I get. But 
> anyway, his point is that there is absolutely no place for anarchy 
> inside the tube of aluminum. When the crew tells you to do something, 
> you do it. Period. Take up your case outside the plane, but what that 
> guy did was not acceptable and force WAS REQUIRED once he proved 
> himself unwilling to follow the law and refused to leave.
>
> Frankly, had I been on that plane, if he wouldn't have been removed, I 
> would have walked off the plane myself. I won't willingly put myself 
> into a threat environment where you have a fully-crazed out lunatic 
> kept on the plane with me at 35,000 feet. No way, no how. I would have 
> been outta there.
>
> The fact that everybody and their "service animal" was video capturing 
> this event tells me that the situation had escalated to the point of 
> crisis long before he was dragged down the aisle.
>
> United botched this up on a PR perspective, but laws are laws and this 
> guy was far beyond the point of being allowed to stay on the plane.
>
> Frankly, the blame also resides with the people on the flight that 
> COULD have given up their seats once THEY heard that he was a doctor 
> needing to get back. Oh, but no...
>
> AG (Southwest) Schnozz
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