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Re: [OM] Topaz Studio 2 artistic explorations

Subject: Re: [OM] Topaz Studio 2 artistic explorations
From: Bill Pearce <billpearce@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 14:11:34 -0400 (EDT)
Jan, Jan, 


You have been trying yto come up with an argumentfor a long time, I can tell. 


There is no comparison. A chainsaw is a tool that is controlled and operated by 
a person. By your point, I would say that a painting done with a brush is 
unsuitable and should only be done with fingers. I own art make by a real 
artist with a computer, and have no objection to it, but I know they would only 
do what they do by their own hands rather that using automated functions. Hook 
it up to a robot and I would call it a different thing. Same thing with Mt. 
Rushmore. There are other examples of artists that have assistants that do some 
of the heavy lifting, Dale Chihuly for example. And to be honest, I know of 
several museum professionals that have problems with that. 
I think folks that use prefab actions are just plain lazy, and perhaps not all 
that creative. And I don't think the guys with the jackhammers were making fine 
tuning adjustments to improve the faces. They were just following orders and 
trying to get it done without falling to their death and making a living. 


But if you wish to take the lazy mans way out, that's your choice. 
----- Original Message -----

From: "Jan Steinman" <Jan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 10:08:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [OM] Topaz Studio 2 artistic explorations 

> From: Bill Pearce <billpearce@xxxxxxxxxx> 
> 
> In no way does anything artistic come from a machine. 

Then chainsaw sculpture isn't art? It's from a "machine." 

How about this, is it "art?" All done by machine. 

https://tinyurl.com/Rushmore-Borglum 

In this case, it was done by thousands of men with dynamite and jack hammers. 
Are they not "machines" of a sort? True, they had an overall blueprint they 
were following that was dictated by Borglum, but you don't think any of the 
individual "machines" thought, "Hmm, a little bit deeper here will show more 
afternoon shadow detail?" Don't you think that, after that job, they each 
considered themselves "artists" in some way? 

Is not a "Photoshop action" in many ways, "the works of a machine?" Shouldn't 
you be using a hex editor on the individual bytes in the TIFF file, instead? 

These things are all just tools. I'm willing to say that someone who uses 
Photoshop filters is somewhat less of an artist than someone who manages to 
achieve the same effect using pigment and brushes, just as an "adorned" Kincaid 
print is less of art than a Bateman original. But aren't they both still "art?" 

Where do you draw the line? 

(Well, I think it's clear where *you* "draw the line," Bill, but can you 
appreciate the opposing point-of-view that says it's all a continuum, and that 
directing an algorithm to achieve a desired effect is not that much different 
from directing a bunch of guys with jack hammers to remove all the rock that 
doesn't look "presidential." :-) 

Jan 

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