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Re: [OM] IMG: Florida to Canada, with One Stop for Lunch and Fuel

Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Florida to Canada, with One Stop for Lunch and Fuel
From: Chris Barker <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 10:07:18 +0000
Sounds pretty worrying!  When I was on Tornados, one crew (pilot and nav) 
managed to lose their way on the airfield in fog.  They spent nearly an hour 
travelling around 2 miles as they searched for the entrance to the squadron’s 
dispersal, of which there were only four, one at each corner of the base.  This 
was in the mid-80s and pre-GPS . . .

Chris

> On 31 Oct 2019, at 21:31, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> That fog had nearly caused me to divert; zipping down below cloud and 
>> finding the runway in the crud was rather challenging and I was very glad to 
>> find it.  The runway lights were inop so it was a good thing I had flown 
>> from that airfield for a number of years and could work from feature to 
>> feature back home . . .
> 
> 
> My friend did a nighttime zero zero (CAT III) into Anchorage several
> months ago in his 180. Pea soup fog so thick that he couldn't see the
> taxiway lights so he had to work his way across the airport with the
> google earth map in his cellphone. It took him longer to get to his
> Lake Hood tiedown where he keeps his SuperCub than it did to fly 150
> miles. (Lake Hood and Stevens International are at the same location
> and you can taxi between the two airports, crossing a couple of
> roads).
> 
> It's bad when you can see only one centerline light at a time and you
> are on top of it.
> 
> He said that it wasn't quite as easy as doing it in the 747s he flew
> for years as he had to keep approach speeds at the max for one notch
> of flaps, until the middle marker and then had to get woa'd up in time
> to reduce his vertical speed to the point where he didn't flatten the
> landing gear and get a prop strike as he drove it into the unseen
> runway. His 747s were equipped for IIIc ground operations.
> 
> I think I would still be trying to extract the seat fabric from my
> butt. But he said that it was rather fun, and it kept him current.
> Just another day "in the office".
> 
> Even his SuperCub is equipped for CAT III, but he wouldn't generally
> try to fly it in those conditions because his highest cruise speed is
> still too slow to get queued up for landing at Stevens International.
> And the SuperCub is NOT the aircraft you want to be flying into icing
> conditions. Icing is always a problem here.
> 
> AG Schnozz
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