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( [71.139.176.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm996990rvf.8.2008.07.31.22.11.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:11:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 07:11:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48929b0b58801744846740 Michael Wong wrote: > Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F > > There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply IT8 ICC file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. The formula and/or film base for 120 Velvia may be different than 35mm, which would mean you need to create a new ICC profile for it. Also, if you are trying to use a profile done on another scanner, you need to profile on the 8800. Unless you separately profile the scanner with a film IT8 target - before profiling film, the 'fi;m' profile is really for the combination of scanner and film. > Finally I called built-in ICC file for scanning. > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html > The tonal distribution is way off, to my eye. Looks like you may have an option on the Color Tab set wrong. Also, they aren't sharp looking. All digital source images need sharpening, but that goes double or triple for flatbed scans compared to film scanner output. Here are a couple of alternate views. http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun1.htm http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun2.htm Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 07:20:23 2008 Received: (qmail 19754 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 05:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 05:20:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E88EC2C95; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D807C2C81 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7F5C96D1 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:34:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <8E49C509-DE8F-4D60-9740-E9718146CFC4@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3C0B4B9965894727AC42F971E173B3F0@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: OMer meeting in Liverpool X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:20:10 +0100 References: <20080728111630.WUM7R.24863.imail@eastrmwml10> <488E42AC.90205@gmail.com> <001801c8f149$c51dcbb0$050ba8c0@main> <4890DAD4.2050204@gmail.com> <004701c8f2b2$0d57fdb0$050ba8c0@main> <489198D4.1090002@gmail.com> <00b701c8f319$4235e760$050ba8c0@main> <3C0B4B9965894727AC42F971E173B3F0@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 07:20:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48929d17301791869477228 Well done, Brian (and Vivienne, of course). I'm glad that you had a good time, John. I expect that you found a few changes, not least because Liverpool was European Capital of Culture this year and loads of building has been going on. My son went to Liverpool John Moore's University and he had a wonderful time there, having met his new wife in the library as well. We enjoyed visiting him there, much to our surprise ... Chris On 31 Jul 2008, at 18:41, John Hudson wrote: > > Ahead of leaving for the UK earlier this month, list member Brian Gray > kindly suggested that he and his wife meet me for lunch one day in > Liverpool > to be followed up with chatter on all things Olympus, a downtown > walkabout, > an at-home evening meal, an overnight stay and a hearty breakfast the > following morning. Who could resist such an invitation? I didn't. > That such > an invitation could be thrown to a complete stranger is an > indication that > this OM list is a family of mature and friendly people all sharing a > common > bond of integrity and honesty. > > This trip to Liverpool was only the second visit in over 30 years > after > having graduated from the U of L in my late 20s. Brian and his wife > Vivienne > [also my wife's name] helped me retrace some of my steps from the > 1970s and > also for some of those of our son who learned to walk on the Mersey > promenade. > > It is very heartening and gratifying that there is still enough > trust and > respect in the world for complete strangers to welcome other > strangers into > their midst with the only common denominator being their membership > of an > internet discussion list and the associated trust that such a > membership can > engender. > > I should like to tip my hat to Vivienne and Brian Gray for being such > welcoming, kind and graceful hosts and also for providing some > relief from > the anxiety of visiting my mother, 94, recently widowed after 65 > years of > marriage, recently out of post-op at a major hospital, physically > frail and > in decline, but as mentally sharp as ever. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 07:24:15 2008 Received: (qmail 15307 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 05:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 05:24:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD16C2D39; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:24:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:24:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB20C2CEB for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:24:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3590C96D4 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:38:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <33A5773F-C065-418C-B8DE-9B577E44A5A9@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48918C53.2010801@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:24:03 +0100 References: <20080728231655.I9GZX.30912.imail@eastrmwml10> <4890EAD8.90701@gmail.com> <438D4DA5-F5CF-4CD8-AF1D-D66933233542@threeshoes.net> <48918C53.2010801@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 07:24:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48929dff83111946193717 That's a very tempting invitation, Moose, thanks. I have visited California, Los Angeles in 1987 (for a weekend away from duty at Nellis AFB) and San Diego in 1989 (when I did a week of flying at NAS Miramar), but I know that there is a load of lovely countryside to be visited. Chris On 31 Jul 2008, at 10:56, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> Thanks Moose, I enjoyed those shots greatly. >> > Thanks for looking, Chris. It was a lovely visit. Come out to Calif. > one > of these days and come by yourself. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 07:26:33 2008 Received: (qmail 11848 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 05:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 05:26:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC53C2D59; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E02C2CF5 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793C5C96D1 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:40:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <384FA59F-1D3D-4E06-92DE-0918F49FD295@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:26:21 +0100 References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 07:26:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48929e89203921838542571 The colour looks good on my monitor, Michael. And the pictures are wonderfully sharp and free of grain. Keep it up, old chap! :-) Chris On 31 Jul 2008, at 11:29, Michael Wong wrote: > Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F > > There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply > IT8 ICC > file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. Finally I called > built-in ICC > file for scanning. > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 07:30:11 2008 Received: (qmail 29519 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 05:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 05:30:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FD5C2D11; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32934C2D08 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D485C96D4 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:44:36 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:29:59 +0100 References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 07:30:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48929f63214631946193717 Have you re-scanned and re-posted the photos, Michael? What I see on your page looks completely different to Moose's files before the "moosing" :-) Chris On 1 Aug 2008, at 06:11, Moose wrote: > The tonal distribution is way off, to my eye. Looks like you may > have an > option on the Color Tab set wrong. Also, they aren't sharp looking. > All > digital source images need sharpening, but that goes double or triple > for flatbed scans compared to film scanner output. > > Here are a couple of alternate views. > > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun1.htm > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun2.htm > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 08:07:43 2008 Received: (qmail 27808 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 06:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 06:07:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A255C291B; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:07:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:07:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BFCC2CF6 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so796998fka.1 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=EQRQsVb/Z7c6/tPcvTmJD4BKlSx9UtcychqVtmB1pd8=; b=krOc+Gm4RRLtyu7PhuhogQ5iCTo8fLH3lvfQCwCwaPy9E3LJzSn2ib8DXLavHeK37W j61IBZQYW8xZI7MSJvLkAJJ8kdsY9mBq5PoKsRFmzUULtXcQ/UKCT2PxnZ/mvYXWR+/1 pXHZVb81lRvuUdGRXzXBkMh6e7PCDt/+A5VuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=H54BbGnxBkHsBVEHycV2rvoIkCUdFgz2ZWv750/yFQvrLm2uCXr2WtKB2hGFNzUy5w TEKQXg67Lry9/O/D3vSVqzjKQszDDWf1JIGZ6DyAVjmNopKCr4EFQPmzdFkHXCvn4l/m KDJT3Z84xv1kxfodrDzLPWRmQ4GtlFupe5EEI= Received: by 10.125.148.7 with SMTP id a7mr539651mko.128.1217570850290; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.132.11 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080807312307q7a8b6254if79dfb71d38fa75c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:07:30 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR In-Reply-To: <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 08:07:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4892a82f292871993019900 Moose, Thanks for your comment. The ICC profiles are created by IT8 with 135 slide film. I read the website of http://www.targets.coloraid.de/ , there is no 120 slide film for IT8. Should the formula or film base of 120 same as 135 in same model of slide film? I think it should be applied same ICC profile for my Nikon CoolScan & Canon scanner in Vuescan, doesn't I? There is something wrong for my samples at your website, I saw they are over exposure, loss of details, & low very contrast .............. ??????? --- Michael 2008/8/1 Moose > Michael Wong wrote: > > Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F > > > > There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply IT8 > ICC file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. > The formula and/or film base for 120 Velvia may be different than 35mm, > which would mean you need to create a new ICC profile for it. > > Also, if you are trying to use a profile done on another scanner, you > need to profile on the 8800. Unless you separately profile the scanner > with a film IT8 target - before profiling film, the 'fi;m' profile is > really for the combination of scanner and film. > > Finally I called built-in ICC file for scanning. > > > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html > > > The tonal distribution is way off, to my eye. Looks like you may have an > option on the Color Tab set wrong. Also, they aren't sharp looking. All > digital source images need sharpening, but that goes double or triple > for flatbed scans compared to film scanner output. > > Here are a couple of alternate views. > > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun1.htm > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun2.htm > > Moose > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 08:08:11 2008 Received: (qmail 29006 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 06:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 06:08:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CF3C2C6F; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33473C2D5B for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so796998fka.1 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HvtLTG0cOz07wn8D/nK42orx6TrDNYCK62Gu2jJWvoo=; b=jmUpE2+wW06ouqG12AXJZK0KwYUpldXuVshMFMn4P1aAmMXhQJBlknppT2N3v68cMP VmvlQTjnyGo0ThGaUZM2tg+NNb4m9xxeJaeUUszuOG0FIqCRzvUoQ2unYe2UcSi8qw1U FHc0INWa5Rd2nyxVrmbwzmt2aajw8Y8rgPwUY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GgUTcZ5CxQD6OhF2edL6zQsFiLSvQvwpNucjkzT6hMda3g5kVaxWPLmPDapoS9Wt72 H/KmaHUZsruyUtBpjp4Y6ySuXWKND7wLOjZ18w6lk+x/KWPXT2HjjzimQkpuKYXYuVeh xT5tb/+dvp/57x/jycnLCpVxylKwoo1oZL7MA= Received: by 10.125.85.10 with SMTP id n10mr534651mkl.86.1217570878077; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.132.11 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080807312307n670cc809v2f9a0da1b16ce8e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:07:58 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR In-Reply-To: <384FA59F-1D3D-4E06-92DE-0918F49FD295@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> <384FA59F-1D3D-4E06-92DE-0918F49FD295@threeshoes.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 08:08:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4892a84b281531342116753 Thanks, Chris. --- Michael 2008/8/1 Chris Barker > > The colour looks good on my monitor, Michael. And the pictures are > wonderfully sharp and free of grain. Keep it up, old chap! :-) > > Chris > > On 31 Jul 2008, at 11:29, Michael Wong wrote: > > > Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F > > > > There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply > > IT8 ICC > > file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. Finally I called > > built-in ICC > > file for scanning. > > > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 08:09:21 2008 Received: (qmail 25594 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 06:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 06:09:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19CDC2DBD; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79D7C2E6D for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so797490fka.1 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:09:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Bafk4IZtJptQEL7ek/l4VQpa7M/w/DplKSHqOkliukE=; b=Hc4yE0qQZ0eXejFxNZUjnP9pJoqLP+Zv8IWQVmybuHnvQuXgbSVHdHUHEdVL9xsZrk l9Q6iIhePxdbAAiUqN4tttZJk+cjHddizgBb8jul6S20OEEcCefBTjYBgfr0m8klVWOX Qtn1QYS/7HQtxy8G91Ke9TAWwPOw/K37dYLX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=VPTVw3iuSajBJ75IP8qtnuPfFM99qDNpbn8R4qs4c3mVcT3vNxcttkN/7819VUc7uE Q7vboXsi0okGJRcSRCmSIy93LJE+l8nWvxw6bOD5h9pH6fSaZqxIY+PqJMLD8VxddytM kpD5rLFix0krvtZqVgy/CBR9SMTW2xiqbHl3g= Received: by 10.125.84.3 with SMTP id m3mr546476mkl.99.1217570949222; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.132.11 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080807312309y7980ac47v428e7087b0c8b112@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:09:09 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 08:09:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4892a891262991073733319 Chris, No, I haven't re-scanned & re-posted the photos. I also surprise why Moose's files like that? --- Michael 2008/8/1 Chris Barker > > Have you re-scanned and re-posted the photos, Michael? What I see on > your page looks completely different to Moose's files before the > "moosing" :-) > > Chris > > On 1 Aug 2008, at 06:11, Moose wrote: > > > The tonal distribution is way off, to my eye. Looks like you may > > have an > > option on the Color Tab set wrong. Also, they aren't sharp looking. > > All > > digital source images need sharpening, but that goes double or triple > > for flatbed scans compared to film scanner output. > > > > Here are a couple of alternate views. > > > > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun1.htm > > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun2.htm > > > > Moose > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 10:41:34 2008 Received: (qmail 16572 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 08:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 08:41:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B78C308A; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:41:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255C5C289D for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:41:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so530065wah.17 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:41:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u3eY08dKQN4zdmqbMx/KuyKkUfBqfrgwljOkZcXzpwI=; b=iTnBNdYihTpxiW/vRYjmxtuwbJsNro7aViM+fGgD0mVk6vE+47MiBkuUGC/issBGFJ 4nG5swG3TVFsXEQzT6sBG3LljRLjIz76TY2wEANb7plDhwrbZdoceusY7zLIVoceS4lJ Ld2k9ZJoLZEBuJMmCWCkhIsRvLtnCmXcGdtOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wg1X6U2jeECEDN5BXNmfrg8wqe/iHvtgiue1O8tWh+69ZzXtQJpMdBYEwXwuznUMGc 53mXr2iQIg1EDO8G1X4NJLx+LwDGOUE+4/dZoC61QadlPXZQx1v2U5zvj4hDHwxLNsWK jGFm3f6OZqvdY6OCB4yv67A8S5hwzvHDB2uG8= Received: by 10.115.60.1 with SMTP id n1mr11184126wak.179.1217580080957; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.175.30]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n38sm1526859wag.24.2008.08.01.01.41.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4892CC2C.9090002@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:41:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> <60f983080807312307q7a8b6254if79dfb71d38fa75c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080807312307q7a8b6254if79dfb71d38fa75c@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 10:41:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4892cc3e233991993019900 Michael Wong wrote: > Moose, > Thanks for your comment. > > The ICC profiles are created by IT8 with 135 slide film. I read the website of http://www.targets.coloraid.de/ , there is no 120 slide film for IT8. Should the formula or film base of 120 same as 135 in same model of slide film? > I think they are often different. The physical requirements of the film base vary with film format. > I think it should be applied same ICC profile for my Nikon CoolScan & Canon scanner in Vuescan, doesn't I? > I don't think so. I think the solution is to shoot the reflective target with the Rollei, scan the film and make a separate profile for 120 film on the Canon flatbed. > There is something wrong for my samples at your website, I saw they are over exposure, loss of details, & low very contrast .............. ??????? > What you are seeing on my site is what I am seeing on yours, in FireFox 3. What I used is a copy of the image on my screen. I've now tried Safari and IE. The image looks less blown out in both other browsers than in FF. I've just turned color management off in FF3, and your images now look like they do in the other browsers. I've not seen this problem before, so I don't know what color profile issue may be causing it. Perhaps something in the Adobe Flash plug-in. I can see now why the images I saw looked slightly out of focus. You are using a gallery that resizes the image based on browser size. At some sizes, the simple resizing algorithm doesn't do a good job. I've just tried different sizes. Some look good, others not so much. Moose > > > --- > Michael > > > > > 2008/8/1 Moose > > >> Michael Wong wrote: >> >>> Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F >>> >>> There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply IT8 >>> >> ICC file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. >> The formula and/or film base for 120 Velvia may be different than 35mm, >> which would mean you need to create a new ICC profile for it. >> >> Also, if you are trying to use a profile done on another scanner, you >> need to profile on the 8800. Unless you separately profile the scanner >> with a film IT8 target - before profiling film, the 'fi;m' profile is >> really for the combination of scanner and film. >> >>> Finally I called built-in ICC file for scanning. >>> >>> http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html >>> >>> >> The tonal distribution is way off, to my eye. Looks like you may have an >> option on the Color Tab set wrong. Also, they aren't sharp looking. All >> digital source images need sharpening, but that goes double or triple >> for flatbed scans compared to film scanner output. >> >> Here are a couple of alternate views. >> >> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun1.htm >> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun2.htm >> >> Moose >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 11:14:15 2008 Received: (qmail 29430 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 09:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 09:14:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD8CC2D68; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:14:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:14:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.226]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7003C31A6 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1575845rvb.29 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:14:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nAkNDU+jVc48/o5zqz22x4JNbwK2rUf6tj2nd/xi5ho=; b=xMpLaUhOt0iZ6d313LDlHB07lStDjGchIDD0mTUuI5sv/6e5H76Rp9kx0OAlq79MZi ZgEPdweGxEGTF43fXiosSiX2KAIb3EcI3Ijq3zMbiYHTycdko3u8OG2tJdff2fvymx67 45JNWHcmLLrmz1GvBetRn19OId+vynJPLKXtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QFnHqPMDWPcmdzsuQu4mqZ6zygVOvYkhA/Vv1LrviUm1ap04RwCEojG8SyqdUr048Q IsvztI8m8LRdvlhZ1RpUs0OhtJy4GxN2goG5sjRTb6D4hU/JKyIKoJc27S9JpVK+U0kB 3fviQSFD06ARLwyaAnuF1uuFcHviVlDQdBowM= Received: by 10.141.71.14 with SMTP id y14mr5826429rvk.24.1217582042268; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.175.30]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm1338446rvb.2.2008.08.01.02.13.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4892D3D5.2060405@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:13:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images References: <20080728231655.I9GZX.30912.imail@eastrmwml10> <4890EAD8.90701@gmail.com> <438D4DA5-F5CF-4CD8-AF1D-D66933233542@threeshoes.net> <48918C53.2010801@gmail.com> <33A5773F-C065-418C-B8DE-9B577E44A5A9@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <33A5773F-C065-418C-B8DE-9B577E44A5A9@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 11:14:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4892d3e7299949117217770 Chris Barker wrote: > That's a very tempting invitation, Moose, thanks. > > I have visited California, Los Angeles in 1987 (for a weekend away from duty at Nellis AFB) and San Diego in 1989 (when I did a week of flying at NAS Miramar), but I know that there is a load of lovely countryside to be visited. > California is a large place, about twice the size of the island of Great Britain, with an amazing variety of topography, climate and vegetation. Visiting even a majority of the major different areas is a considerable undertaking requiring quite a bit of time. 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( [71.139.175.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm1213295rvf.9.2008.08.01.02.21.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4892D596.4080505@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:21:26 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OMer meeting in Liverpool References: <20080728111630.WUM7R.24863.imail@eastrmwml10> <488E42AC.90205@gmail.com> <001801c8f149$c51dcbb0$050ba8c0@main> <4890DAD4.2050204@gmail.com> <004701c8f2b2$0d57fdb0$050ba8c0@main> <489198D4.1090002@gmail.com> <00b701c8f319$4235e760$050ba8c0@main> <3C0B4B9965894727AC42F971E173B3F0@hudson> In-Reply-To: <3C0B4B9965894727AC42F971E173B3F0@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 11:21:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4892d5b52311993019900 John Hudson wrote: > Ahead of leaving for the UK earlier this month, list member Brian Gray kindly suggested that he and his wife meet me for lunch one day in Liverpool to be followed up with chatter on all things Olympus, a downtown walkabout, an at-home evening meal, an overnight stay and a hearty breakfast the following morning. Who could resist such an invitation? I didn't. That such an invitation could be thrown to a complete stranger is an indication that this OM list is a family of mature and friendly people all sharing a common bond of integrity and honesty. > Lovely story, John. We had a similar thing happen last year. When I mentioned that we were going to be visiting Maine and Mass., Mike suggested that we have a similar visit with him and Marnie. As with you and Brian, we had never met other than on the list, but had a lovely time when we visited. This summer, we were able to reciprocate, as recently documented in a gallery I posted. This list is a wonderful place to hang out and has some great people as members. I hope to get the opportunity to meet more in the future. 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( [71.139.175.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm1213997rvf.9.2008.08.01.02.22.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4892D5C0.5030808@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:22:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 11:22:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4892d5d873961591313764 Timpe, Jim wrote: > Great stuff. Thanks. > Glad you enjoyed it. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 16:31:32 2008 Received: (qmail 29309 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 14:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 14:31:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C63AC2F41; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:31:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:31:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.149]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B4345C36AC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 80424 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 14:31:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HHYUyu5nBxntKOW+b0z01jwvDuaX+I8JO0+R/0N/3jBSJ6JIszxlPMn7cs0q5n9IziVVMF3t7/uCyHm2cVHesz9jLLBDMKd3j+tV9wdXi6aJ1G6MG1BuFsbjVF8R/nVS6VBiyHBYhVVoSE2oU+jvP+6FTZXFjk7uHVTbNh2Is/w=; Received: from [199.46.198.230] by web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:31:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Almost on topic images To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 16:31:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48931e44299465368819438 Looks like someone had a grand time.   >From the set of images, I liked this one the most: http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=MandM/PescaderoCoastalHills&image=_MG_4438ii.jpg despite the lens flair.   I also liked the atmosphere in this one: http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=MandM/PescaderoCoastalHills&image=_MG_4426ii.jpg   Thanks for sharing   Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 19:45:02 2008 Received: (qmail 31363 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 17:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 17:45:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E218C3947; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366D8C3C4B for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080801174420H0300pfln1e>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:44:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:45:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 19:45:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48934b9e245941470116606 In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this combination would do on the E-510. The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just pick the right subjects. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html Critiques and comments welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 21:33:16 2008 Received: (qmail 20248 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 19:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 19:33:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44898C2BA9; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767F3C36D5 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:33:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7838 invoked by uid 504); 1 Aug 2008 19:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Aug 2008 19:33:02 -0000 Message-ID: <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:33:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 21:33:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489364fc98921591313764 Nice sharp shot. That Takumar and extender also show good bokeh. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this combination would do on the E-510. > > The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. > > I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just pick the right subjects. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html > > Critiques and comments welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 22:01:29 2008 Received: (qmail 9357 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 20:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:01:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91DDC3B4F; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:01:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:01:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7B0C3BCF for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080801200054H0100m7l7ie>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:00:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:01:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 22:01:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48936b99171801234514069 Chuck, Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > Nice sharp shot. That Takumar and extender also show good bokeh. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >> combination would do on the E-510. >> >> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >> >> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >> pick the right subjects. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >> >> Critiques and comments welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 22:06:49 2008 Received: (qmail 30123 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 20:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:06:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34EEC393B; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:06:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:06:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34C0C33AC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:06:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1330 invoked by uid 504); 1 Aug 2008 20:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Aug 2008 20:06:28 -0000 Message-ID: <48936CC4.6010106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:06:28 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 22:06:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48936cd9308551993019900 I thought at first that you had to have cropped that quite a bit but then I dragged out the calculator which told me the horizontal field of view could have been as small as about 2-1/2 inches at closest focus with the 2X installed. A web search told me that the Takumar 55/1.8 focuses to 0.45 meter which is about par for 50mm standard lenses of the era. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:33 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > >> Nice sharp shot. That Takumar and extender also show good bokeh. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >>> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >>> combination would do on the E-510. >>> >>> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >>> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >>> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >>> >>> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >>> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >>> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >>> pick the right subjects. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >>> >>> Critiques and comments welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:39 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 22:39:02 2008 Received: (qmail 26411 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 20:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:39:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF235C2FF8; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:38:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:38:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00909C2AF6 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:38:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080801203847H0100mdj52e>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:38:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <1471A2A06D8A465595E1F3B275B23ED9@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> <48936CC4.6010106@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:39:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 22:39:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48937466158611023412894 Chuck, After experimenting with my Takumar 200mm, which does not focus at close distances, I concluded that I needed a different approach. That is when I went to the close-focusing Takumar 55/1.8 and the 2x extender. As you say, it focuses to .45meter, or less than 18 inches, and becomes, on the E-510, the equivalent of a 220mm f/2.5 lens. Not bad, for minimum cost. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation >I thought at first that you had to have cropped that quite a bit but > then I dragged out the calculator which told me the horizontal field of > view could have been as small as about 2-1/2 inches at closest focus > with the 2X installed. A web search told me that the Takumar 55/1.8 > focuses to 0.45 meter which is about par for 50mm standard lenses of the > era. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> Thanks for looking, and for the kind words. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:33 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation >> >> >>> Nice sharp shot. That Takumar and extender also show good bokeh. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >>>> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >>>> combination would do on the E-510. >>>> >>>> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >>>> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide >>>> open, >>>> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >>>> >>>> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >>>> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >>>> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >>>> pick the right subjects. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >>>> >>>> Critiques and comments welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 >> 6:39 AM >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 1 23:52:54 2008 Received: (qmail 5457 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0D8C3132; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:52:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:52:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4266C30F5 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2091892rvb.29 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:52:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FmFDej5LLkv1SP1D8nAe1MWn23r9klTPQRMNcFkZA3E=; b=TAmajplKHkJSM632TV8Qg1siOn13f7jDsW7ciSy09p+0y8klSCZYPBxZ6lmco7BeNX NeJ/FCleqWS4f0Z7Y92fl7I1qmAxAvIwkabqN6DWpcMy0yn/DlAT3WFOLZkmRhrKbaUj WaXYWD2ULMM0QCi8YqIZ592v2VgYbY7/4Ozn4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=r1rJMrDVY1lpvJBWRn7aaEQSoH+ycE/91dSUrusBfceKvdy3ti8TXZwDHdfqpHeheK 4vrkJjwiwgSQ4qUdVEM1yheBFIYiu6N9dhbzuIClqxVmkF4S/jh6t5jeRWYzoy1porcy KVqklw2vEEAH+15ma7d7VG9+rdmG543xe5SgY= Received: by 10.141.161.6 with SMTP id n6mr6201762rvo.41.1217627555998; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.176.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm2166808rvf.9.2008.08.01.14.52.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48938599.90602@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:52:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 1 23:52:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489385b61294673671140 Willie Wonka wrote: > Looks like someone had a grand time. > Indeed, and thanks for looking and commenting. > > >From the set of images, I liked this one the most: > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=MandM/PescaderoCoastalHills&image=_MG_4438ii.jpg > despite the lens flair. > Glad you like it, but that's not lens flare. Where I live and many of the places I like to visit, summer is an endless series of cycles of in and out movement of the fog of the marine layer and the sun inland. This image was taken right along the edge. Although the fog is not obviously in the image, it's just off to the left. so there is a gradient of tiny water particles in the air diminishing from left to right, giving the effect you noticed. Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to capture it. This and the following image look toward the sun covered hills from under and through the fog. This TOPE entry uses the compressing effect of a long lens to show the increasing softening and abstracting effect of fog with distance. When I had the Olympus Odyssey camera, I again explored this liminal space. Conveying the subtle effect is tricky, especially in a web venue, where even small differences in screen brightness can change the effect greatly. This image and the two following versions explore that issue. I particularly like this one . With the partially obscured sun directly in the image, it does have lens flare. I left the streak down the center, but corrected an oval rainbow below it. Again, and in the following image, screen brightness strongly affects the look. Although my LCD isn't bad, if I start to stand up, the image becomes too bright - lean down and it's too dark. > > I also liked the atmosphere in this one: > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=MandM/PescaderoCoastalHills&image=_MG_4426ii.jpg > Oh goody! It's really over the top PS play. As you can see from the surrounding images, it was cold, heavily overcast and windy at the beach.Something about the red, classic sun car led me to try to make it look more summery and bright - a postcard. I'm glad at least one viewer enjoyed it. Marnie caught the couple canoodling in a nice shot through the rear window that we may see here one day (?). Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 00:16:12 2008 Received: (qmail 31719 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 22:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 22:16:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D67C32E9; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:16:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:16:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAB6C340A for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:15:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m71MFcKa030507 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:15:53 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:15:36 +1000 Message-ID: <000601c8f424$237f89a0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <1471A2A06D8A465595E1F3B275B23ED9@jimnichols> Thread-Index: Acj0FqLtvbTMjMxbTtaQzB3Akrun6AAC9pYg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 00:16:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48938b2c124551993019900 > As you say, > it focuses to .45meter, or less than 18 inches, and becomes, > on the E-510, > the equivalent of a 220mm f/2.5 lens. > f3.6 actually > Not bad, for minimum cost. > certainly worked well for that shot. As you say, choose the right subjects as it's a bit cumbersome to focus wide open then stop down for the exposure. For static macro images the lack of autofocus and auto diaphragm isn't a problem. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 00:34:04 2008 Received: (qmail 2716 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 22:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 22:34:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0881DC34DA; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:33:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:33:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B0EC32F8 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:33:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2109952rvb.29 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sl7fdqqaeW//+lfmasoKIfcrStCMg2fhARDdNJ/zfrE=; b=PQ8YUfxNcWbJkm/yR0fwM4S0yZ/St/oG55jGcBielRMHjRG1PxqrPDJoeLczVPHykL 2erJncxUHizVivCgH4bC6b3q1TAHFw6Vz/mAZ7YztzYbAmK8ATUSTLzPOk01H8GYCNux 2irvPjM0mVNONUyDOP/+0pFSLfdyaws5y1whU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h08gl11gVjQXS1djvxohlQQN9/H6abxpFQ1Ay3qYHL2vM5O4+QY60+QrcHH14Ox8G0 KK53sySLHruPYVnDbMQf4W8ikIHUKJagDEibO2+KU9vESoqPQA89prDRrQV9DlpzmsbR SvDAXeIjKLdq2M6Rk85ghTA1JteCJamPPv7nE= Received: by 10.140.134.15 with SMTP id h15mr6216654rvd.65.1217630029939; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.190.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm2424856rvb.0.2008.08.01.15.33.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48938F47.2020003@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:33:43 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT: F31fd Replacement References: <8CABF11C85FE98F-15BC-39B@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 00:34:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48938f5c254829117217770 Chris Barker wrote: > I use a G7 and it is very robust. I have dropped it a couple of times and it works fine. I really like the interface and the optical viewfinder. > > I have the hack installed, but I still haven't worked out how to convert the RAW files it saves. I doubt if any of the big time converters will ever support the CHDK produced RAW files. Dcraw supports all of them, adding new ones pretty quickly as they become available. Dcraw is available for OS X. It's command line only, which will turn some folks off. Although not GUI, it is an excellent converter that gives first class results. I have found a way to automate it under Windoze where I select a group of files and ship them off for batch processing with a click of the mouse. I have no idea how one does such a thing under OS X, but I can't imagine it isn't possible. I generally batch convert all the files from a shoot with default parameters, then may go back to reprocess any individual ones that need special treatment. Dcraw's highlight recovery ability is exceptional. For someone like me, who does no adjustment beyond setting the histogram and highlight recovery in ACR anyway, leaving any other adjustment for PS, dcraw is great. For those used to doing lots of adjustment in the RAW conversion process, it would take some adjustment. 16 bit output is linear, not gamma adjusted, so requires a couple of extra steps ( which may be automated with an Action) in PS. Many independent converters depend more or less on dcraw for image decoding and/or processing. As the G7 hack has been around for a while, many of them probably recognize and support it. Again, I know nothing about Mac software, but the list a couple of pages down in this document does include some Mac apps. Most of the independent Raw developers are one person or very small operations, so they don't update very often or don't deal with CHDK RAW files at all. In the Windoze world, Ifanview simply doesn't recognize the files, as they don't have conventional headers. RawTherapee, a pretty decent GUI Raw developer, works with the older A710 files, but is in a major update and doesn't yet recognize A650 files. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 00:41:09 2008 Received: (qmail 24829 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 22:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 22:41:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F6AC2D4E; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDC4C3025 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:40:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080801224054H0500e9t17e>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:40:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <000601c8f424$237f89a0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 00:41:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48939105173901702588592 Wayne, Guess you are correct. I was figuring one stop loss, but it really is two. Thanks for the correction. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > >> As you say, >> it focuses to .45meter, or less than 18 inches, and becomes, >> on the E-510, >> the equivalent of a 220mm f/2.5 lens. >> > > f3.6 actually > >> Not bad, for minimum cost. >> > > certainly worked well for that shot. As you say, choose the right > subjects > as it's a bit cumbersome to focus wide open then stop down for the > exposure. > For static macro images the lack of autofocus and auto diaphragm isn't a > problem. > > ...Wayne > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 00:42:01 2008 Received: (qmail 22267 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 22:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 22:42:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B6EC355A; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C216C33F6 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:41:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1509150wfd.5 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:41:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cQfoThr2kCL7H9Z+njg8DyrYzcr4bkMSnEHBTvF8Yis=; b=v7W2+0C8bpWWRlaDk8SbOtrfkOcWRaXHxOaUL6A+kAOxW3bMlyCgTD+ddUsfVvYizD Y8EsGnyjBWuD2dSCOBdxsoY/Lu5N6COP3QhQRGKReq+GHgRLqZmW2C1PDQiS1H7m3Owb jByEL/Ql5a0wJHDfMykwG0bYJ7ai0vqI7VZaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gqq4xVpD4e1A9ZRCwsPpfHZQUyrcl6TS8Y73+0gvztlbCI3c46iBcIUVVPtUcvWsV1 R+snOpvmViXLZvgmeP4VtcwZaf8HUlitoYH6dhSgm75GDQHV1iw2p8/slVWlK8cMWc/n cAi6oF57WACKFml8yWL8KPe6ZhpDj9mcKip9Y= Received: by 10.142.163.13 with SMTP id l13mr3942079wfe.34.1217630508625; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.190.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm2125091wfd.1.2008.08.01.15.41.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:41:41 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 00:42:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48939139256231946193717 I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and shoot away. As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? An Inquiring Moose Jim Nichols wrote: > In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this combination would do on the E-510. > > The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. > > I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just pick the right subjects. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html > > Critiques and comments welcomed. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 01:20:08 2008 Received: (qmail 20035 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 23:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 23:20:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89837C3011; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF318C324B for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:19:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080801231955H04009bacoe>; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:19:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:19:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 01:20:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48939a28154631993019900 Moose, First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. I have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. That left the 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to the filter threads. I really don't understand what this would do for me, unless it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used beneficially. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. > > My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would > have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and > shoot away. > > As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw > mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to > operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better > IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. > > Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? > > An Inquiring Moose > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >> combination would do on the E-510. >> >> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >> >> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >> pick the right subjects. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >> >> Critiques and comments welcomed. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 01:59:50 2008 Received: (qmail 16517 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 23:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 23:59:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCEDC32E3; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:59:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:59:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29342C2FD3 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:59:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m71NxZfd085441 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj0LQl9BvOGcWOxQDOEU7JvYcG8UQAAjgvA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 01:59:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893a376177123675314703 Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, close enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have to move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of the FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. And last but not least, it was fun. My rule of thumb that seemed to work was, 14 mm lens meant the FOV was 14mm, a 45mm lens was 45mm FOV (wide) I had extreme difficulties once I used 150 to 200 mm lenses, seemed most effective at about 60-100, and at that point, I was getting about the same thing as you can with a EX25 and 50 mm macro, or a 35 mm macro (assuming your using an Olympus E series camera...... we do talk about these on this list, don't we :-)? I don't think I have any cropped shots in this list. Reverse Macro 14-45, E-500 http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/404273753/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403160554/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142621/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/391269067/ the crop on this was about 1/10th of the outside edges, looks like the worlds tiniest cricket to me, that tall thing to the left is a moss branch http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142618/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/377604996/ a lot of 14-45 pics on this page; http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/page10/ Reverse Macro 40-150, E 500 http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473789/ I now know this is commonly called a pixie cup http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473788/ 50 mm Macro with EX 25 E-330 http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/1737309220/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184431113/ 50 mm macro reversed E-330 http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184428325/ 70-300 with EC 14 macro E-330 http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2185215308/ -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:20 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Moose, First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. I have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. That left the 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to the filter threads. I really don't understand what this would do for me, unless it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used beneficially. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. > > My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would > have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and > shoot away. > > As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw > mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to > operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better > IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. > > Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? > > An Inquiring Moose > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >> combination would do on the E-510. >> >> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >> >> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >> pick the right subjects. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >> >> Critiques and comments welcomed. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 03:26:56 2008 Received: (qmail 28268 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 01:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 01:26:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C57C3BF4; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 03:26:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:26:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.150]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 70991C3230 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 03:25:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 80517 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 01:25:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=n2BklrWraemIR9i3Esur+PM8gMoNvFCQuE4OF3F5RVplrfjP/8hHmxq10WjW4c+Nn5tZy10jO4EtHE59a7PJCzKSXR/e6sMlOJRI3YFBB4HUtBDs/w5t6E0ynCFBeQflpVAmlUDWJa7xSIdldXy5Dgu1UKn8UqHeFKnJWVAfqIo=; Received: from [64.223.51.142] by web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:25:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 03:26:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893b7e0140131234514069 Moose:  Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to capture it.   Boris:  Actually, fog might be the hardest photography subject.  I have never been able to compose even semi-decent image of fog coming downhill on a grey overcast day.  Still remember the disapointment of what I thought would be a spectacular picture from one of our trips towards Mount Washington in NH (of course, that was in the film days and I was disapointed later..:)   http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=OlyOdyssey&image=7024_08ii.jpg   This is a fantastic image, Moose.  Have you tried to convert it to B+W? It might look even more dramatic.   Moose:  Oh goody! It's really over the top PS play.   I dont remember who said that any good artist would faitfully represent the subject, the difficulty is when some level of distortion is introduced...The colors are off, but thats what really works for this picture and makes it jump out and grab your attention.   Boris   ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 04:13:36 2008 Received: (qmail 10318 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 02:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:13:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A35C3F1D; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:13:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:13:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AEDAAC3E7C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15499 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 02:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:12:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Old stuff Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:12:06 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 04:13:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893c2d0304138512572685 Had a nice experience the other day. An old friend of mine, in his mid seventies, gave me some old cameras as he's moving house and cleaning out. One was the first camera he owned, an original early 1950's Lubitel - all bakelite and cyrillic. As a schoolboy he bought it new and paid for it by taking pictures of fellow students - boys for their girlfriends and vice versa. He apologised that the name plate was separate. Around that time the Petrov Affair occurred (nasty shenanigans with a defecting Russian diplomat), at an early peak of the Cold War and he kept getting grief from people over having what was clearly a commie-cam. He pulled the metal name plate off but still had it. I tried not to take it but he insisted. Just cleaned it up and put the name plate back on so I'm off to run a film through it. Incidentally, he also gave me a Mavica, the type that uses a 3.25" floppy disc. All working fine but I haven't had a bloody disc reader in years so it's far less useable than a 60 year old film camera! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 04:32:30 2008 Received: (qmail 16174 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 02:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:32:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A7BC36A7; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F25C381B for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:32:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080802023214H06009ugf6e>; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:32:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <004B49BA6CDF49DFBEC2C83158B69BD1@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 04:32:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893c73e300269117217770 Scott, Thanks for sharing your images and showing me what can be done. For now, I can get what I need from the 55mm and 2x, but I might find a reason to try your approach. How did you focus? Just by moving the lens and camera fore and aft? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Peden" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, close > enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. > > I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have > to > move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the > subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of > the > FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. > > And last but not least, it was fun. > > My rule of thumb that seemed to work was, 14 mm lens meant the FOV was > 14mm, > a 45mm lens was 45mm FOV (wide) I had extreme difficulties once I used 150 > to 200 mm lenses, seemed most effective at about 60-100, and at that > point, > I was getting about the same thing as you can with a EX25 and 50 mm macro, > or a 35 mm macro (assuming your using an Olympus E series camera...... we > do > talk about these on this list, don't we :-)? > > I don't think I have any cropped shots in this list. > > Reverse Macro 14-45, E-500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/404273753/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403160554/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142621/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/391269067/ > the crop on this was about 1/10th of the outside edges, looks like the > worlds tiniest cricket to me, that tall thing to the left is a moss branch > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142618/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/377604996/ > a lot of 14-45 pics on this page; > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/page10/ > > > Reverse Macro 40-150, E 500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473789/ > I now know this is commonly called a pixie cup > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473788/ > > > > 50 mm Macro with EX 25 E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/1737309220/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184431113/ > > 50 mm macro reversed E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184428325/ > > 70-300 with EC 14 macro E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2185215308/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:20 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > > Moose, > > First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. > I > > have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. That left > the > 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. > > I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to > the > filter threads. I really don't understand what this would do for me, > unless > > it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used > beneficially. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:41 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > >> I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. >> >> My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would >> have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and >> shoot away. >> >> As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw >> mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to >> operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better >> IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. >> >> Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? >> >> An Inquiring Moose >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >>> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >>> combination would do on the E-510. >>> >>> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >>> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >>> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >>> >>> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >>> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >>> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >>> pick the right subjects. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >>> >>> Critiques and comments welcomed. >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 04:40:22 2008 Received: (qmail 972 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 02:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:40:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B973AC320D; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:39:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:39:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF31C33FA for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:39:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080802023904H04009c96pe>; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:39:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <91FC594D9AE04564939B66D0C8843641@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:39:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 04:40:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893c915190191823421471 Andrew, I've got a floppy drive on my Dell machine. Mail me your floppy and I will send them back to you as digital files. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [OM] Old stuff > > Had a nice experience the other day. An old friend of mine, in his > mid seventies, gave me some old cameras as he's moving house and > cleaning out. > One was the first camera he owned, an original early 1950's Lubitel - > all bakelite and cyrillic. > As a schoolboy he bought it new and paid for it by taking pictures of > fellow students - boys for their girlfriends and vice versa. > He apologised that the name plate was separate. Around that time the > Petrov Affair occurred (nasty shenanigans with a defecting Russian > diplomat), at an early peak of the Cold War and he kept getting grief > from people over having what was clearly a commie-cam. He pulled the > metal name plate off but still had it. > I tried not to take it but he insisted. > Just cleaned it up and put the name plate back on so I'm off to run a > film through it. > > Incidentally, he also gave me a Mavica, the type that uses a 3.25" > floppy disc. > All working fine but I haven't had a bloody disc reader in years so > it's far less useable than a 60 year old film camera! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 04:43:55 2008 Received: (qmail 4122 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 02:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:43:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16594C2DAC; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:43:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:43:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1981EC31B1 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:43:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m722hd5G028838 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> <004B49BA6CDF49DFBEC2C83158B69BD1@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <004B49BA6CDF49DFBEC2C83158B69BD1@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:43:40 -0700 Message-ID: <68F93990BCFE4A85B08E6EFBEA3278BC@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj0R+kPMa832FSTR2upBW8zZOUbRAAAMakA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 04:43:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893c9ea272411529615919 Yes, focus was moving the camera back and forth. In a couple of them I used a macro rail, usually I just rested my hand on something but it was hard with a view finder so moved up to the 330. A reverse macro ring is cheap, as I recall about $20, usually the are a 4/3rds mount to a 58 mm ring, though I have added adaptors to deal with up to a 72 mm lens filter ring. I searched 4/3 reverse macro And got this, 14 dollars..... http://cgi.ebay.com/reverse-macro-adapter-58mm-for-Olympus-4-3-E500-300-E-1_ W0QQitemZ320281450359QQihZ011QQcategoryZ30059QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ewItem -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:32 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Scott, Thanks for sharing your images and showing me what can be done. For now, I can get what I need from the 55mm and 2x, but I might find a reason to try your approach. How did you focus? Just by moving the lens and camera fore and aft? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Peden" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, close > enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. > > I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have > to > move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the > subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of > the > FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. > > And last but not least, it was fun. > > My rule of thumb that seemed to work was, 14 mm lens meant the FOV was > 14mm, > a 45mm lens was 45mm FOV (wide) I had extreme difficulties once I used 150 > to 200 mm lenses, seemed most effective at about 60-100, and at that > point, > I was getting about the same thing as you can with a EX25 and 50 mm macro, > or a 35 mm macro (assuming your using an Olympus E series camera...... we > do > talk about these on this list, don't we :-)? > > I don't think I have any cropped shots in this list. > > Reverse Macro 14-45, E-500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/404273753/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403160554/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142621/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/391269067/ > the crop on this was about 1/10th of the outside edges, looks like the > worlds tiniest cricket to me, that tall thing to the left is a moss branch > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142618/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/377604996/ > a lot of 14-45 pics on this page; > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/page10/ > > > Reverse Macro 40-150, E 500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473789/ > I now know this is commonly called a pixie cup > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473788/ > > > > 50 mm Macro with EX 25 E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/1737309220/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184431113/ > > 50 mm macro reversed E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184428325/ > > 70-300 with EC 14 macro E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2185215308/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:20 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > > Moose, > > First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. > I > > have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. That left > the > 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. > > I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to > the > filter threads. I really don't understand what this would do for me, > unless > > it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used > beneficially. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:41 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > >> I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. >> >> My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would >> have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and >> shoot away. >> >> As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw >> mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to >> operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better >> IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. >> >> Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? >> >> An Inquiring Moose >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >>> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >>> combination would do on the E-510. >>> >>> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >>> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >>> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >>> >>> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >>> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >>> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >>> pick the right subjects. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >>> >>> Critiques and comments welcomed. >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 04:44:48 2008 Received: (qmail 20619 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:44:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325C7C285F; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ED8C31B1 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2027 invoked by uid 504); 2 Aug 2008 02:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Aug 2008 02:44:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4893CA0E.5080302@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:44:30 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 04:44:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893ca20188371023412894 Scott's got some great images there to illustrate his point. The first one (753) is truly gorgeous. But apart from distance and how to focus a reversed lens contraption the principal rationale for using the lens reversed is that it puts lens, subject and focal plane back into the relative positions the lens was designed for. When a non-macro lens is used normally the subject is farther from the lens than the image plane... and that's what the lens is designed for. But in macro use these relationships get turned on their heads since the subject can easily be closer to the lens than the image plane. Reversing the lens restores the normal balance of things and gets the angles of light beams passing through the lens back closer to the original design criteria. Chuck Norcutt Scott Peden wrote: > Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, close > enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. > > I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have to > move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the > subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of the > FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. > > And last but not least, it was fun. > > My rule of thumb that seemed to work was, 14 mm lens meant the FOV was 14mm, > a 45mm lens was 45mm FOV (wide) I had extreme difficulties once I used 150 > to 200 mm lenses, seemed most effective at about 60-100, and at that point, > I was getting about the same thing as you can with a EX25 and 50 mm macro, > or a 35 mm macro (assuming your using an Olympus E series camera...... we do > talk about these on this list, don't we :-)? > > I don't think I have any cropped shots in this list. > > Reverse Macro 14-45, E-500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/404273753/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403160554/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142621/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/391269067/ > the crop on this was about 1/10th of the outside edges, looks like the > worlds tiniest cricket to me, that tall thing to the left is a moss branch > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142618/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/377604996/ > a lot of 14-45 pics on this page; > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/page10/ > > > Reverse Macro 40-150, E 500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473789/ > I now know this is commonly called a pixie cup > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473788/ > > > > 50 mm Macro with EX 25 E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/1737309220/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184431113/ > > 50 mm macro reversed E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184428325/ > > 70-300 with EC 14 macro E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2185215308/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:20 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > > Moose, > > First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. I > > have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. That left the > 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. > > I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to the > filter threads. I really don't understand what this would do for me, unless > > it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used > beneficially. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:41 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > >> I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. >> >> My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would >> have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and >> shoot away. >> >> As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw >> mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to >> operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better >> IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. >> >> Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? >> >> An Inquiring Moose >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >>> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >>> combination would do on the E-510. >>> >>> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >>> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >>> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >>> >>> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >>> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >>> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >>> pick the right subjects. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >>> >>> Critiques and comments welcomed. >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 04:55:06 2008 Received: (qmail 9899 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 02:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:55:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A823C2ECF; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B96C2ED7 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080802025452H06009t6fke>; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:54:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <4A514D4CFA474850BEC2138051EBCAE9@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> <004B49BA6CDF49DFBEC2C83158B69BD1@jimnichols> <68F93990BCFE4A85B08E6EFBEA3278BC@Alaisdairthree> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:54:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 04:55:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893cc8a138254673671140 Thanks, Scott. Your link came through broken, but I did a similar search and found two similar items. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Peden" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > Yes, focus was moving the camera back and forth. In a couple of them I > used > a macro rail, usually I just rested my hand on something but it was hard > with a view finder so moved up to the 330. > > A reverse macro ring is cheap, as I recall about $20, usually the are a > 4/3rds mount to a 58 mm ring, though I have added adaptors to deal with up > to a 72 mm lens filter ring. > > I searched 4/3 reverse macro > And got this, 14 dollars..... > http://cgi.ebay.com/reverse-macro-adapter-58mm-for-Olympus-4-3-E500-300-E-1_ > W0QQitemZ320281450359QQihZ011QQcategoryZ30059QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi > ewItem > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:32 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > > Scott, > > Thanks for sharing your images and showing me what can be done. For now, > I > can get what I need from the 55mm and 2x, but I might find a reason to try > your approach. > > How did you focus? Just by moving the lens and camera fore and aft? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Peden" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:59 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > >> >> Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, >> close >> enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. >> >> I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have >> to >> move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the >> subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of >> the >> FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. >> >> And last but not least, it was fun. >> >> My rule of thumb that seemed to work was, 14 mm lens meant the FOV was >> 14mm, >> a 45mm lens was 45mm FOV (wide) I had extreme difficulties once I used >> 150 >> to 200 mm lenses, seemed most effective at about 60-100, and at that >> point, >> I was getting about the same thing as you can with a EX25 and 50 mm >> macro, >> or a 35 mm macro (assuming your using an Olympus E series camera...... we >> do >> talk about these on this list, don't we :-)? >> >> I don't think I have any cropped shots in this list. >> >> Reverse Macro 14-45, E-500 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/404273753/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403160554/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142621/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/391269067/ >> the crop on this was about 1/10th of the outside edges, looks like the >> worlds tiniest cricket to me, that tall thing to the left is a moss >> branch >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142618/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/377604996/ >> a lot of 14-45 pics on this page; >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/page10/ >> >> >> Reverse Macro 40-150, E 500 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473789/ >> I now know this is commonly called a pixie cup >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473788/ >> >> >> >> 50 mm Macro with EX 25 E-330 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/1737309220/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184431113/ >> >> 50 mm macro reversed E-330 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184428325/ >> >> 70-300 with EC 14 macro E-330 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2185215308/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf >> Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:20 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation >> >> >> Moose, >> >> First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. >> I >> >> have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. That left >> the >> 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. >> >> I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to >> the >> filter threads. I really don't understand what this would do for me, >> unless >> >> it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used >> beneficially. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:41 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation >> >> >>> I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. >>> >>> My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would >>> have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and >>> shoot away. >>> >>> As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw >>> mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to >>> operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better >>> IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. >>> >>> Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? >>> >>> An Inquiring Moose >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >>>> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >>>> combination would do on the E-510. >>>> >>>> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >>>> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide >>>> open, >>>> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >>>> >>>> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >>>> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >>>> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >>>> pick the right subjects. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >>>> >>>> Critiques and comments welcomed. >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 04:57:22 2008 Received: (qmail 32707 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 02:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 02:57:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34452C2DE6; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:57:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:57:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E477C3284 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:57:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8333 invoked by uid 504); 2 Aug 2008 02:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Aug 2008 02:57:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:57:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 04:57:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893cd121001591313764 No wonder you don't have a reader. Floppy discs come in 3-1/2", 5-1/4" and 8" diameters. You'll be alookin' for a long time for that 3-1/4" job. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Had a nice experience the other day. An old friend of mine, in his > mid seventies, gave me some old cameras as he's moving house and > cleaning out. > One was the first camera he owned, an original early 1950's Lubitel - > all bakelite and cyrillic. > As a schoolboy he bought it new and paid for it by taking pictures of > fellow students - boys for their girlfriends and vice versa. > He apologised that the name plate was separate. Around that time the > Petrov Affair occurred (nasty shenanigans with a defecting Russian > diplomat), at an early peak of the Cold War and he kept getting grief > from people over having what was clearly a commie-cam. He pulled the > metal name plate off but still had it. > I tried not to take it but he insisted. > Just cleaned it up and put the name plate back on so I'm off to run a > film through it. > > Incidentally, he also gave me a Mavica, the type that uses a 3.25" > floppy disc. > All working fine but I haven't had a bloody disc reader in years so > it's far less useable than a 60 year old film camera! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 05:02:14 2008 Received: (qmail 24140 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 03:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 03:02:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE107C373E; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92DEC3282 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:02:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m72321Tb033237 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> <4893CA0E.5080302@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4893CA0E.5080302@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: <9A372D2DDB5E4C37806D4A7073722772@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj0SaBYDvgfeRWsTNWWQDmMArEAbAAAjQKA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 05:02:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893ce36325321585427447 Thanks for the compliment on the Moss with water drops. It's a wonder I didn't get water in the camera, it was rather wet that morning, and cold for me. I practiced starting with shooting coins on my desk top, and then wondering why I even touched those dirty things.......but good outdoor light is preferable. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:45 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Scott's got some great images there to illustrate his point. The first one (753) is truly gorgeous. But apart from distance and how to focus a reversed lens contraption the principal rationale for using the lens reversed is that it puts lens, subject and focal plane back into the relative positions the lens was designed for. When a non-macro lens is used normally the subject is farther from the lens than the image plane... and that's what the lens is designed for. But in macro use these relationships get turned on their heads since the subject can easily be closer to the lens than the image plane. Reversing the lens restores the normal balance of things and gets the angles of light beams passing through the lens back closer to the original design criteria. Chuck Norcutt Scott Peden wrote: > Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, close > enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. > > I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have to > move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the > subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of the > FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. > > And last but not least, it was fun. > > My rule of thumb that seemed to work was, 14 mm lens meant the FOV was 14mm, > a 45mm lens was 45mm FOV (wide) I had extreme difficulties once I used 150 > to 200 mm lenses, seemed most effective at about 60-100, and at that point, > I was getting about the same thing as you can with a EX25 and 50 mm macro, > or a 35 mm macro (assuming your using an Olympus E series camera...... we do > talk about these on this list, don't we :-)? > > I don't think I have any cropped shots in this list. > > Reverse Macro 14-45, E-500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/404273753/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403160554/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142621/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/391269067/ > the crop on this was about 1/10th of the outside edges, looks like the > worlds tiniest cricket to me, that tall thing to the left is a moss branch > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/403142618/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/377604996/ > a lot of 14-45 pics on this page; > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/page10/ > > > Reverse Macro 40-150, E 500 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473789/ > I now know this is commonly called a pixie cup > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/370473788/ > > > > 50 mm Macro with EX 25 E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/1737309220/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184431113/ > > 50 mm macro reversed E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2184428325/ > > 70-300 with EC 14 macro E-330 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55838750@N00/2185215308/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:20 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > > Moose, > > First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. I > > have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. That left the > 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. > > I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to the > filter threads. I really don't understand what this would do for me, unless > > it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used > beneficially. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:41 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > > >> I'm enjoying watching this little series of experiments. >> >> My first approach, given the lenses at hand and an M42 adapter, would >> have been to put the M42 Adaptall2 on my Tamron 90/2.5 macro lens and >> shoot away. >> >> As I think about it, I wonder if an auto bellows for the pentax screw >> mount exists. With double cable release, it would make things quicker to >> operate. But then with a standard lens, reversing it might give better >> IQ results, and that puts paid to aperture automation. >> >> Have you thought about an adapter to reverse the lens? >> >> An Inquiring Moose >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> In past years, I have used a Takumar with a 2x extender to obtain >>> occasional closeups with a film SLR. I wanted to find out what this >>> combination would do on the E-510. >>> >>> The linked shot was made with a Takumar 55/1.8 lens and 2x extender >>> mounted on a chipped adapter on the E-510. Focusing was done wide open, >>> then the lens was stopped down to either 4 or 5.6 for the shot. >>> >>> I tried this technique with faster moving subjects and had no luck at >>> all. This little fellow sat still long enough for me to get the job >>> done. The lens combination appears to have possibilities if I can just >>> pick the right subjects. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Another+Small+One.tif.html >>> >>> Critiques and comments welcomed. >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 05:13:27 2008 Received: (qmail 27980 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 03:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 03:13:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11932C28FA; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:13:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:13:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FB4C283C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:13:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080802031314H0300pnaqoe>; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 03:13:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:13:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 05:13:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893d0d7128778512572685 I started out with a Xerox computer that had two 8-inch floppies. Next was a Zenith, with 5-1/4" floppies. Then, I graduated to the small, hard-cased floppy which I just measured as 3-1/2". I'm sure this is what Andrew refers to. Since I wanted to make "sneaker" transfers between my wife's stand-alone machine and my main PC, I spent the few bucks to add the 3-1/2" floppy drive. I might even have another in a junk box, if I could find it. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff > No wonder you don't have a reader. Floppy discs come in 3-1/2", 5-1/4" > and 8" diameters. You'll be alookin' for a long time for that 3-1/4" job. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Had a nice experience the other day. An old friend of mine, in his >> mid seventies, gave me some old cameras as he's moving house and >> cleaning out. >> One was the first camera he owned, an original early 1950's Lubitel - >> all bakelite and cyrillic. >> As a schoolboy he bought it new and paid for it by taking pictures of >> fellow students - boys for their girlfriends and vice versa. >> He apologised that the name plate was separate. Around that time the >> Petrov Affair occurred (nasty shenanigans with a defecting Russian >> diplomat), at an early peak of the Cold War and he kept getting grief >> from people over having what was clearly a commie-cam. He pulled the >> metal name plate off but still had it. >> I tried not to take it but he insisted. >> Just cleaned it up and put the name plate back on so I'm off to run a >> film through it. >> >> Incidentally, he also gave me a Mavica, the type that uses a 3.25" >> floppy disc. >> All working fine but I haven't had a bloody disc reader in years so >> it's far less useable than a 60 year old film camera! >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 >> 6:59 PM >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 05:41:53 2008 Received: (qmail 24310 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 03:41:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C6BC3225; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:41:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:41:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67641C3190 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:41:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7731) for ; 02 Aug 2008 13:41:35 +1000 From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:41:25 +1000 (EST) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Message-ID: <0049296170.0001U99J@ns2.comkal.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 05:41:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893d781251931529615919 Hi Jim, > I started out with a Xerox computer that had two 8-inch floppies. Next was > a Zenith, with 5-1/4" floppies. Then, I graduated to the small, hard-cased > floppy which I just measured as 3-1/2". I'm sure this is what Andrew refers > to. I assumed thats what Andrew refers to as well. The only thing, or format I can't read anymore is 8", the old drive is long since departed, dried caps (could have fixed) and to many other things wrong so it was thrown out in a big cleanup I had last year. Mag, tape, disk, opticdisk, harddisk, DEC, Xerox, CPM, you name it, I can probably read it. Even still have 2 DEC rainbows with 400K drives but with software like Alien, poor thing hasnt been fired up for a while since I last played moonlander. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ *? <- Grandpa Tribble with his cane ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 05:42:05 2008 Received: (qmail 15039 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 03:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 03:42:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEB6C3189; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:41:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:41:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6865FC31DC for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:41:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7731) for ; 02 Aug 2008 13:41:35 +1000 From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:35:48 +1000 (EST) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: In-Reply-To: <91FC594D9AE04564939B66D0C8843641@jimnichols> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Message-ID: <0049295760.0001U99G@ns2.comkal.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 05:42:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893d78d320531023412894 Hi Jim, > I've got a floppy drive on my Dell machine. Mail me your floppy and I will > send them back to you as digital files. Think I'm a lot closer :o) I'm sure Mr Fildes can even find someone closer than me to. Hmm, wonder how a Mavica would go in my collection ;-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Silence is evidence of a superb command of the language. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 05:57:59 2008 Received: (qmail 6659 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 03:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 03:57:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DF6C2BD6; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4321C2F9A for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:57:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2204357rvb.29 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:57:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vZ173vgPQDxFKDZTSvPdVZAisZZko4XU9CzWD5FlxUU=; b=n+s7zF5QkbOwcOM+E7rIzxzNFVTa9Q1Vg9eUnZ6Pb3u93DHk14FoLc7cTNmdxhIrJ/ RJA1nWgABpIEhly9NG9b4gh+Y/lnklC70iUjyekDxbsvlWNfiRve41EKaaXXxojGH4su X06j8Q48tsbSg72OMUMXm6CXJVDYr+6TbMf28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RwEEoqKZGNeokI4zWQKeOBbCXXh69QSisDt74qOLRDfRDS+OH+/Y1wmm9qot9ZGloO 9SCWZAeerO33J42LnKp/ZpAnOimpA3x33C0nebWGbSbtNcdZdzGWs6qMwQt1TiVZW4rw OqlP27iiv8RycU4btciy6nj5kfkitA/5D33Ns= Received: by 10.141.168.7 with SMTP id v7mr6334640rvo.95.1217649463111; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.194.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm2689419rvf.9.2008.08.01.20.57.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4893DB2A.4040208@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:57:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 05:57:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893db4743791073733319 Jim Nichols wrote: > ...Since I wanted to make "sneaker" transfers between my wife's stand-alone machine and my main PC, I spent the few bucks to add the 3-1/2" floppy drive. I might even have another in a junk box, if I could find it. > Yeah, I ordered one with my new machine, too. For $15 or less installed, it seemed worth it. I suppose I could grab a 5 1/4" from an old machine and stick in the empty front bay, but I haven't had any need so far. The 3 1/2" has had a few uses. 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( [71.139.194.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm2767903wfg.13.2008.08.01.21.07.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4893DD8D.6090501@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:07:41 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 06:07:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893dd9d137351993019900 Scott Peden wrote: > Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, close > enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. > > I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have to > move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the > subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of the > FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. > > And last but not least, it was fun. > Thanks for some enjoyable images. I looked even though it was Flikr, although I didn't go so faras to look at any larger version but the first one, which really lovely. You should be a prime candidate for the Pentax Papilio binoculars. Astonishing for tiny things in nature. 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( [71.139.176.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm3721537wfa.8.2008.08.01.21.16.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4893DF84.5000708@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:16:04 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 06:16:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893df95199441838542571 Willie Wonka wrote: > Moose: Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to capture it. > > Boris: Actually, fog might be the hardest photography subject. I have never been able to compose even semi-decent image of fog coming downhill on a grey overcast day. Still remember the disapointment of what I thought would be a spectacular picture from one of our trips towards Mount Washington in NH (of course, that was in the film days and I was disapointed later..:) > We saw lots of fog when we drove down through the park past Mt. Washington last year. But is was the non-picturesque, low overcast with occasional rain sort. > > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=OlyOdyssey&image=7024_08ii.jpg > > This is a fantastic image, Moose. Have you tried to convert it to B+W? It might look even more dramatic. > Thanks! It's one of my favs. I will take a look at B&W, but I like the color transition from gray above to warm where some almost direct, late sun lights the bottom center. > > Moose: Oh goody! It's really over the top PS play. > > I dont remember who said that any good artist would faitfully represent the subject, the difficulty is when some level of distortion is introduced...The colors are off, but thats what really works for this picture and makes it jump out and grab your attention. > Thanks again. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 07:11:43 2008 Received: (qmail 1675 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 05:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 05:11:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04947C2DE5; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:11:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A6485C3A35 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:10:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6069 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 05:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 05:10:54 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <0049295760.0001U99G@ns2.comkal.net> References: <0049295760.0001U99G@ns2.comkal.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:10:48 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 07:11:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4893ec8f311271946193717 Oh yes - and that reminds me. I think I forgot to thank you for the help with the Zip disc. It was very much appreciated. The Mavica has I home when I get tired of it - I have a friend who collects old digitals. But I may just start my own collection anywho. Andrew Fildes (who is definitely an obsolete format). afildes@people.net.au On 02/08/2008, at 1:35 PM, Ian Manners wrote: > Think I'm a lot closer :o) > I'm sure Mr Fildes can even find someone closer than me to. > Hmm, wonder how a Mavica would go in my collection ;-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 08:42:03 2008 Received: (qmail 8819 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 06:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 06:42:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2B0C3399; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:41:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:41:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DEEC3213 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:41:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m727iWIg051472 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200808020744.m727iWIg051472@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:41:36 -0700 To: oly From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] Touring Arches National Park? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 08:42:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489401bb272671869477228 First Summer that we haven't done anything as a family yet, so I was thinking to visit Arches National Park or the likes in Utah, seeing that it is reasonably close so hopefully the plane fares won't kill us. Anyway, if you have experience and suggestions on places to stay, places to see, or anything else, please let me know. Heck, right now I don't even know which airport to fly into :-) (Will use google...) I will probably bring at least one film camera (either the M or the XPan) in addition to the E-3. Film? Filters? Thanks. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 10:03:41 2008 Received: (qmail 12642 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 08:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 08:03:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE536C2DFA; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6E9C3280 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2271437rvb.29 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:03:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oWAqAUo0hwUQqDIn3N9sJ8htUxmj+ErWQnsLh/yMCCQ=; b=fQtPvV4x95q58pWBtFX2ds/+VkA6xBvOHklH0ZXdJivi/FmI77sy2p4vTfMyaEhzhc UgTLqzkIwijLQ2Olw+YdksSR7AyHlU3l7xsyYUaTDZhTE91Q1rmEc1eSLqgj23nTQa7B UsiF/yhGKVGozf7XIbygcpoQd/jN3HSQ/BBoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FVahkohJWwV3KIQOAe1e9c4+nMpqhfTJCTxTD/nsLHkUsmVvs0JcMc09uYPB3zdAR8 z5kROmlULzGusumkhvETnfNkapsPUCzYKpuGN0vtQF7qpzLCuYqHIw29RpI1/R/AXxgw aKCaiDM3U5KilrAwNVjl43TLCbz7dgS4JZ8es= Received: by 10.141.82.20 with SMTP id j20mr6427965rvl.234.1217664206781; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.160.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm3251300rvb.0.2008.08.02.01.03.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489414C9.4090805@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:03:21 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 10:03:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489414dc12382046811720 Jim Nichols wrote: > Moose, > > First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. As was I, but what I have at hand, not what you have at hand. :-) But for a reversed lens, it would be a Zuiko, and the Oly bellows provides a means to use, and focus, a reversed lens while retaining auto-aperture operation with double cable release. > I have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. I am somewhat more flexible. The Tamron 90/2.5 macro is in the copystand kit along with a 50/3.5 macro, but I am free to use it for other purposes. > That left the 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. > > I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to the filter threads. That's correct, except for more complex ones, like the bellows. The Oly bellows slides and clamps onto the outer front of the lens, 49mm Zuikos by default, 55mm with an adapter. I believe Scott said you can only focus by moving the camera when using a reversed lens. That is true of AF designs without the option of mechanical manual focus, like the ones he used. With MF lenses like your Takumar, the focusing helicoid works fine reversed. About the easiest way to use it with a simple reverse adapter is to set it in the middle of its range, get the camera where the image is close to focus, then use the focusing ring for fine focus. Setting the aperture also depends on the age and design of the lens. Early Pentax screw mount lenses were preset. Later ones, which you probably have, require a pin on the back to be pressed to stop down the diaphragm. If you tape or otherwise keep the pin pushed in, the aperture ring then works to adjust the diaphram when reversed. > I really don't understand what this would do for me, unless it would give me a different distance to the sensor which could be used beneficially. > Chuck has already explained some of the optical reasons. Scott got some good central results with a reversed zoom. You can expect better results over the whole frame with a reversed prime lens of basically symmetrical design, like most standard 50mmish lenses for 35mm film, which are all variations of the symmetrical double-gauss design. 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( [71.139.179.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm3291899rvb.0.2008.08.02.01.15.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489417AA.4020403@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:15:38 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! References: <165618.95984.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <165618.95984.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 10:15:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489417bc150471993019900 AS wrote: > ... > > So many people shoot Holga's/other types of vintage cameras these days and are not concerned with things like focus, depth, etc. They just hit the shutter and let it happen. > One pedantic correction. The Holga is not vintage, being quite a recent Chinese design still manufactured. It was adopted by various folks for its ability to make images as bad - in the conventional sense - as the poorest of cheap vintage cameras, without the need to dig one up and make sure it works. I have a Holga lens mounted on a canon lens cap, but I haven't got the hang of making "bad" images that I like on the 5D so far. Maybe I'll never get the hang of good bad photography. :-) I have been back to film photography a bit this year, with four rolls done and another partially exposed. All but the one Rollei 35 roll have been in OM-1(n) bodies. I wanted to do some stuff with close-ups and medium telephoto, where the OM-1 has vibration issues. Next roll may be in an OM-4, with mirror/aperture prefire. 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(218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 10:10:56 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Old stuff Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:10:50 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 12:11:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489432c0297031993019900 Scissors, mate, scissors. And a hammer, gaffer tape, a bit of epoxy and a wrench. Damn thing isn't going to beat ME - it'll fit or else. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/08/2008, at 12:57 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > No wonder you don't have a reader. Floppy discs come in 3-1/2", > 5-1/4" > and 8" diameters. You'll be alookin' for a long time for that > 3-1/4" job. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 13:29:49 2008 Received: (qmail 19772 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 11:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 11:29:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFC9C3162; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:29:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:29:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55589C2EBE for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-27.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.27]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080802112933H0300pn04le>; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:29:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.27] Message-ID: <006401c8f493$11453fe0$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:29:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 13:29:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4894452d323871869477228 Andrew, I picked up a 2nd hand USB floppy drive from my favorite thrift store for about $10. I could now break out my old Mavica FD83, if I could find it. The blasted batteries are still over $50/US though. Fortunately I found a battery on sale a couple of years ago for $20 at the local camera shop clearance table. Don't know if it would hold a charge anymore though... Good luck with the Mavica. It amazed me how many floppies failed when trying to transfer the images. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: [OM] Old stuff > > Incidentally, he also gave me a Mavica, the type that uses a 3.25" > floppy disc. > All working fine but I haven't had a bloody disc reader in years so > it's far less useable than a 60 year old film camera! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 14:37:05 2008 Received: (qmail 28636 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 12:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:37:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4094C2B33; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:36:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:36:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A71EC37B5 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:36:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28462 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 12:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:36:43 -0000 In-Reply-To: <006401c8f493$11453fe0$6601a8c0@hpd220> References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <006401c8f493$11453fe0$6601a8c0@hpd220> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:36:36 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 14:37:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489454f155111993019900 That bothered me - I wonder how many people bothered to format the disc every time they reused it? Research assures me that these things were very popular in N. America. Not so much here although schools tended to have a couple. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/08/2008, at 9:29 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: > It amazed me how many floppies failed when > trying to transfer the images. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 14:39:48 2008 Received: (qmail 5709 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 12:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:39:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C518DC2D3D; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:39:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:39:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05732C2CCC for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14140 invoked by uid 504); 2 Aug 2008 12:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Aug 2008 12:39:30 -0000 Message-ID: <48945582.6070909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:39:30 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Old stuff References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 14:39:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48945594119131529615919 Probably better to use a chisel along with the hammer. Those plastic 3-1/2" cases are a little too tough for ordinary scissors. :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Scissors, mate, scissors. > And a hammer, gaffer tape, a bit of epoxy and a wrench. > Damn thing isn't going to beat ME - it'll fit or else. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/08/2008, at 12:57 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> No wonder you don't have a reader. Floppy discs come in 3-1/2", >> 5-1/4" >> and 8" diameters. You'll be alookin' for a long time for that >> 3-1/4" job. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 14:48:01 2008 Received: (qmail 20300 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 12:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:48:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D26C28E1; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:47:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:47:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 063E5C2D5F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:47:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30054 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 12:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:47:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48945582.6070909@chucknorcutt.com> References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> <48945582.6070909@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <8E13B40B-E4E7-43C3-BDD3-926F20E9E114@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Old stuff Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:47:39 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 14:48:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4894578117491023412894 Got a pair of those kitchen 'chicken' shears - that'll do it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/08/2008, at 10:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Probably better to use a chisel along with the hammer. Those plastic > 3-1/2" cases are a little too tough for ordinary scissors. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Scissors, mate, scissors. >> And a hammer, gaffer tape, a bit of epoxy and a wrench. >> Damn thing isn't going to beat ME - it'll fit or else. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 14:54:16 2008 Received: (qmail 3809 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 12:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:54:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2638C320A; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 22FDCC2DD4 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:54:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30371 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 12:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:54:01 -0000 In-Reply-To: <006401c8f493$11453fe0$6601a8c0@hpd220> References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <006401c8f493$11453fe0$6601a8c0@hpd220> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <24374769-79DE-488A-BC51-E0A0EC8E4CEA@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:53:55 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 14:54:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489458f8201457350615338 Batteries are only $20 on ebay from a US seller. I was just looking at a very late model, the CD400 - 4mp, Zeiss 3x zoom, 2.5" screen, writes to CD mini-disc. $90 BIN. That's actually a pretty good piece of gear! Shame they want $50 postage to Aus. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/08/2008, at 9:29 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: > Andrew, > I picked up a 2nd hand USB floppy drive from my favorite thrift > store for > about $10. I could now break out my old Mavica FD83, if I could > find it. The > blasted batteries are still over $50/US though. Fortunately I found a > battery on sale a couple of years ago for $20 at the local camera shop > clearance table. Don't know if it would hold a charge anymore > though... > Good luck with the Mavica. It amazed me how many floppies failed when > trying to transfer the images. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 15:23:35 2008 Received: (qmail 20929 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 13:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 13:23:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CDCC2AA7; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:23:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:23:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6305C3338 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2921 invoked by uid 504); 2 Aug 2008 13:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Aug 2008 13:23:22 -0000 Message-ID: <48945FCA.8000603@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:23:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <006401c8f493$11453fe0$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 15:23:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48945fd7131021702588592 Even if they formatted they may have done a "quick format" which only clears the directory. I don't recall if a full format actually does a read back to validate each sector. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > That bothered me - I wonder how many people bothered to format the > disc every time they reused it? > Research assures me that these things were very popular in N. America. > Not so much here although schools tended to have a couple. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/08/2008, at 9:29 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: > >> It amazed me how many floppies failed when >> trying to transfer the images. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 17:34:56 2008 Received: (qmail 4124 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 15:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 15:34:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B83DC2B5B; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61767C2C9A for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:34:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-58.cruzio.com [63.249.91.58]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m72FYhln070303 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> <4893DD8D.6090501@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4893DD8D.6090501@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:34:40 -0700 Message-ID: <06B2D8AA12E04DB78A38B2DC3218B446@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-index: Acj0VT1sB/zHtx/dQeSwZ1u8CQX/AgAX5cgg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 17:34:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48947ea0242011529615919 I was looking at those, after you and another list member were raving about them, maybe next year. What I want is to get even closer then Macro allows as in the EX25 and 50 mm Macro. My ability to manually focus is really bad, never did get any good shots with manual focus though I have kept my long lenses, I can't get a decent shot with the 70-300 on manual yet auto is spectacular compared to that, so it is nearly a necessity to have auto focus. Flickr is the old site, I haven't had a chance to move but just a few photo's from there to SmugMug, and haven't had a chance in 7 weeks to load anything. At least work is good! -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:08 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Scott Peden wrote: > Reversing the lens allows you to get real close.... seriously close, close > enough you are blocking your light.....and doesn't allow you to back off. > > I think the links here are with a 14-45 reversed, hand held, as you have to > move the camera closer or further way to do any focusing. Most of the > subjects are the width of a tooth pic. Usually only the center third of the > FOV is in focus, sometimes I got lucky. > > And last but not least, it was fun. > Thanks for some enjoyable images. I looked even though it was Flikr, although I didn't go so faras to look at any larger version but the first one, which really lovely. You should be a prime candidate for the Pentax Papilio binoculars. Astonishing for tiny things in nature. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 19:20:33 2008 Received: (qmail 12676 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA99C323B; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A15C322F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:20:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080802172010H0600a1pfoe>; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:20:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> <489414C9.4090805@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:20:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 19:20:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48949761285811035110158 Moose, Thanks for the explanations. I have no Oly gear except for the E-510, the 14-54 lens, and a Fotodiox adapter with chip that allows me to use my M42 lenses. I have a long way to go in mastering what I have at present. Then, perhaps, another autofocus lens. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:03 AM Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Moose, >> >> First off, I'm cheap. I use what I have at hand, or, can obtain cheaply. > As was I, but what I have at hand, not what you have at hand. :-) But > for a reversed lens, it would be a Zuiko, and the Oly bellows provides a > means to use, and focus, a reversed lens while retaining auto-aperture > operation with double cable release. >> I have a 50/1.4 Takumar, but have it dedicated to my film SLR. > I am somewhat more flexible. The Tamron 90/2.5 macro is in the copystand > kit along with a 50/3.5 macro, but I am free to use it for other purposes. >> That left the 55/1.8 and 2x extender free to play with. >> >> I assume that, to reverse the lens, the adapter would have to attach to >> the filter threads. > That's correct, except for more complex ones, like the bellows. The Oly > bellows slides and clamps onto the outer front of the lens, 49mm Zuikos > by default, 55mm with an adapter. > > I believe Scott said you can only focus by moving the camera when using > a reversed lens. That is true of AF designs without the option of > mechanical manual focus, like the ones he used. With MF lenses like your > Takumar, the focusing helicoid works fine reversed. About the easiest > way to use it with a simple reverse adapter is to set it in the middle > of its range, get the camera where the image is close to focus, then use > the focusing ring for fine focus. > > Setting the aperture also depends on the age and design of the lens. > Early Pentax screw mount lenses were preset. Later ones, which you > probably have, require a pin on the back to be pressed to stop down the > diaphragm. If you tape or otherwise keep the pin pushed in, the aperture > ring then works to adjust the diaphram when reversed. >> I really don't understand what this would do for me, unless it would give >> me a different distance to the sensor which could be used beneficially. >> > Chuck has already explained some of the optical reasons. Scott got some > good central results with a reversed zoom. You can expect better results > over the whole frame with a reversed prime lens of basically symmetrical > design, like most standard 50mmish lenses for 35mm film, which are all > variations of the symmetrical double-gauss design. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 21:11:14 2008 Received: (qmail 21630 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 19:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:11:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F4BC2E53; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:11:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:11:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.harbornet.com (smtp.harbornet.com [199.2.132.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B44C36C8 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:11:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([216.174.237.242]) by smtp.harbornet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m72JvYis003608 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4894B07B.1030804@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:07:39 -0700 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Old stuff References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <4893CD05.1060802@chucknorcutt.com> <48945582.6070909@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48945582.6070909@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 21:11:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4894b152128334673671140 Tin Snips! :) Jim Couch Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Probably better to use a chisel along with the hammer. Those plastic > 3-1/2" cases are a little too tough for ordinary scissors. :-) > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 2 23:53:00 2008 Received: (qmail 6448 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2008 21:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 21:52:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B84C2FCA; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:52:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:52:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 99E43C2E75 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27691 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 21:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 21:52:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48945FCA.8000603@chucknorcutt.com> References: <836172.79015.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <65FA62D7-DCE4-4394-BCE0-CCE29AE29A7C@people.net.au> <006401c8f493$11453fe0$6601a8c0@hpd220> <48945FCA.8000603@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <719F9543-C8D4-49E7-9730-6368003ED555@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] I told you so.... Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:52:40 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 2 23:53:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4894d73c44382046811720 A little light Sunday reading - I knew this years ago. Why did it take them so long to work it out? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 05:38:37 2008 Received: (qmail 18954 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 03:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 03:38:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B904BC2AC5; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from aismail.wustl.edu (aismail.wustl.edu [128.252.95.36]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607A0C2B46 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:38:25 +0200 (CEST) To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Visiting Arches National Park MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 From: Bob_Benson@wustl.edu Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:38:24 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AIS3/Systems/ais(Release 6.5.6FP2|October 17, 2007) at 08/02/2008 10:38:25 PM, Serialize complete at 08/02/2008 10:38:25 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Bob_Benson@wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 05:38:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4895283d52361585427447 Apparently Chuck is also thinking about places to visit in Utah / Arches. My experience is that Moab Utah is the central point for the best experiences in Utah / Arizona / Wyoming. That's five miles from Arches. 1. Arches has to be experienced. There are several excellent hikes, chief amongst them is Delicate Arch. But even the drive-through with all the stopping places are just wonderful. 2. If you're up to it, White Rim Road is an especially spectacular and - even - spiritual experience. (Remember Thelma and Louise? Where they flew off the canyon is on this road, about 6 miles in.) It's a dirt road and bumpy and even scary at times. But just a wonderful experience. 3. State 128 along the Colorado river is a wonderful experience. 4. There are a lot of jeep/4-wheel roads. Rent one, and spend a day. Just terrific ! A special experience. If you can go "behind the rocks" it's worthwhile. If you have time, you can drive from Moab to: 1. Capital Reef National Park. Very worthwhile. 2. Escalante National Monument. The road from Capital Reef to the town of Escalante is a great experience. 3. Of course Bryce and Zion are within reach. But I'd recommend spending scarce time on the items mentioned above, if you have to choose. 4. Natural Bridge monument south of Moab is worthwhile - but mainly because of the driving to get there. If you can see Comb Ridge just south of there -- wow. Driving some of the ranch roads in the San Rafael Swell (just west of Green River) is worthwhile. Driving Schaefer Canyon Road (from White Rim up to the top of the mesa) is simply wonderful. Not for the faint hearted though. But in general, one cannot go wrong in this part of Utah. Let me know if I can answer any more specific questions. Bob Benson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 09:24:48 2008 Received: (qmail 12021 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 07:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 07:24:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6352AC3183; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DABC2FA8 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:50168 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KPXxD-0004va-0E (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:24:36 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:24:33 +0200 References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 09:24:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48955d40267431946193717 Hi Michael, Some of these look interesting, but I find them a bit too small to fully appreciate. After all, MF is about more real estate! Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Michael Wong wrote: > Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F > > There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply > IT8 ICC > file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. Finally I called > built-in ICC > file for scanning. > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 09:36:54 2008 Received: (qmail 12832 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 07:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 07:36:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20917C2B21; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:36:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:36:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738F8C2C62 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:36:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13013 invoked by uid 504); 3 Aug 2008 07:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Aug 2008 07:36:40 -0000 Message-ID: <48956007.2030204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:36:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Visiting Arches National Park References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 09:36:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48956016207843675314703 Sounds wonderful but on this trip I'll likely be either 300 miles north or south. Maybe next time when I do a center of the country tour instead of the perimeter. Chuck Norcutt Bob_Benson@wustl.edu wrote: > Apparently Chuck is also thinking about places to visit in Utah / Arches. > > My experience is that Moab Utah is the central point for the best > experiences in Utah / Arizona / Wyoming. That's five miles from Arches. > > 1. Arches has to be experienced. There are several excellent hikes, > chief amongst them is Delicate Arch. But even the drive-through with all > the stopping places are just wonderful. > > 2. If you're up to it, White Rim Road is an especially spectacular and - > even - spiritual experience. (Remember Thelma and Louise? Where they > flew off the canyon is on this road, about 6 miles in.) It's a dirt > road and bumpy and even scary at times. But just a wonderful experience. > > 3. State 128 along the Colorado river is a wonderful experience. > > 4. There are a lot of jeep/4-wheel roads. Rent one, and spend a day. > Just terrific ! A special experience. If you can go "behind the rocks" > it's worthwhile. > > If you have time, you can drive from Moab to: > > 1. Capital Reef National Park. Very worthwhile. > > 2. Escalante National Monument. The road from Capital Reef to the town > of Escalante is a great experience. > > 3. Of course Bryce and Zion are within reach. But I'd recommend spending > scarce time on the items mentioned above, if you have to choose. > > 4. Natural Bridge monument south of Moab is worthwhile - but mainly > because of the driving to get there. If you can see Comb Ridge just south > of there -- wow. > > Driving some of the ranch roads in the San Rafael Swell (just west of > Green River) is worthwhile. > Driving Schaefer Canyon Road (from White Rim up to the top of the mesa) is > simply wonderful. Not for the faint hearted though. > > But in general, one cannot go wrong in this part of Utah. > > Let me know if I can answer any more specific questions. > > Bob Benson > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 10:23:51 2008 Received: (qmail 16410 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 08:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 08:23:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14940C2E2F; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:23:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:23:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4DEC2DE2 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so1516634fka.1 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:23:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=alpycMnATnFxtvuWPaYGCk5SDPgbS/RO48Y/1kFblzw=; b=TPx61gH/Y8aw/0Jhvy/W/+h5koUqhgUsj+My6iTIbnJ+2Cnt0Cj/vFPRTvTytP6TgV eI7G8iEC83+MY813mfPJZxCeOpopuTNF00/7w15uc6eHvtMdxSelKpYgIkTaDHiQz20J GCWQtGoArhpeTpoewRzlZO5cthkim/979asQU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=w7j4QK9+MfhbVCICTEM2nE68e9qectmwDl75INNK8l//mUB8QGQrFnY734DBVPt5W5 /YFfTZCsSkSZGr7iUuIhCTEQCj8MAC5FmilmuAj7osgWpOQ0zLwpSHbupyIYDosUvrQw LmZT5gYmLd3TNpXCbKmkrUVWvJXc3z4OXBPrg= Received: by 10.125.102.19 with SMTP id e19mr645809mkm.61.1217751818159; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.132.11 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 01:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080808030123v67647afaj23ded6ed427272b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:23:38 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 10:23:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48956b17141011023412894 Hi, Nathan, Thanks for you remind me that I forget to set "original size" in the software when creating the album. The software re-size my pictures automatically :-( --- Michael 2008/8/3 Nathan Wajsman > > Hi Michael, > > Some of these look interesting, but I find them a bit too small to > fully appreciate. After all, MF is about more real estate! > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Michael Wong wrote: > > > Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F > > > > There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply > > IT8 ICC > > file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. Finally I called > > built-in ICC > > file for scanning. > > > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 14:08:48 2008 Received: (qmail 24286 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 12:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:08:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F279C33B7; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:08:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:08:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF13C33D5 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:08:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so890783fgb.11 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rjNMx66qBApx4bo9uhPS3el/WscjMUyK+6rVH1QGjtM=; b=IwF8tDY99Cu0+KcOAGYkxZIbzUwGsulIVAfeWOWxjV8KvCjdEcautfXu9Dpt1sKnUf k0ioCbdNa0EUAhl2Sl2kdKyp+kYd9mCYFvTLpfiqOd90zvACEArsyhod6tGLj5R03wQJ FweGPTDkiuIRf1ZS6fwLTfFkEi9b/HwmggBRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ugWLszydJHXlncQQMNdt7MPhZ02ZLkAsqg1ztrhRkLp8XTFz8J2UY4OgcPBVxX2a3T CHQBmKmf2nezzgt3sxrrqLLD3uEJrvnGT1Gk/AQlO2AabWM4UQK+IG0RQ2Kgsi39hXXt aGpDFKWblS2R8WJ3/qTJF2hAA9ASomhpL0/yQ= Received: by 10.125.15.5 with SMTP id s5mr654222mki.66.1217765315402; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.132.11 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080808030508tcf08c35ibc53abdae775cd97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:08:35 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR In-Reply-To: <4892CC2C.9090002@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> <60f983080807312307q7a8b6254if79dfb71d38fa75c@mail.gmail.com> <4892CC2C.9090002@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 14:08:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48959fd0229822070262475 Moose, Thanks. I understood what you mean & I'm going to create a new ICC profiles for Canon scanner individually. --- Michael 2008/8/1 Moose > Michael Wong wrote: > > Moose, > > Thanks for your comment. > > > > The ICC profiles are created by IT8 with 135 slide film. I read the > website of http://www.targets.coloraid.de/ , there is no 120 slide film > for IT8. Should the formula or film base of 120 same as 135 in same model of > slide film? > > > I think they are often different. The physical requirements of the film > base vary with film format. > > I think it should be applied same ICC profile for my Nikon CoolScan & > Canon scanner in Vuescan, doesn't I? > > > I don't think so. I think the solution is to shoot the reflective target > with the Rollei, scan the film and make a separate profile for 120 film > on the Canon flatbed. > > There is something wrong for my samples at your website, I saw they are > over exposure, loss of details, & low very contrast .............. ??????? > > > What you are seeing on my site is what I am seeing on yours, in FireFox > 3. What I used is a copy of the image on my screen. I've now tried > Safari and IE. The image looks less blown out in both other browsers > than in FF. > > I've just turned color management off in FF3, and your images now look > like they do in the other browsers. I've not seen this problem before, > so I don't know what color profile issue may be causing it. Perhaps > something in the Adobe Flash plug-in. > > I can see now why the images I saw looked slightly out of focus. You are > using a gallery that resizes the image based on browser size. At some > sizes, the simple resizing algorithm doesn't do a good job. I've just > tried different sizes. Some look good, others not so much. > > Moose > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > 2008/8/1 Moose > > > > > >> Michael Wong wrote: > >> > >>> Fujichrome Velvia 100, Canon 8800F > >>> > >>> There is a bit red upon scanning ................ I tried to apply IT8 > >>> > >> ICC file in Vuescan but the color will be strange. > >> The formula and/or film base for 120 Velvia may be different than 35mm, > >> which would mean you need to create a new ICC profile for it. > >> > >> Also, if you are trying to use a profile done on another scanner, you > >> need to profile on the 8800. Unless you separately profile the scanner > >> with a film IT8 target - before profiling film, the 'fi;m' profile is > >> really for the combination of scanner and film. > >> > >>> Finally I called built-in ICC file for scanning. > >>> > >>> http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/index.html > >>> > >>> > >> The tonal distribution is way off, to my eye. Looks like you may have an > >> option on the Color Tab set wrong. Also, they aren't sharp looking. All > >> digital source images need sharpening, but that goes double or triple > >> for flatbed scans compared to film scanner output. > >> > >> Here are a couple of alternate views. > >> > >> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun1.htm > >> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/MWong/LeiYueMun2.htm > >> > >> Moose > >> > >> > >> ============================================== > >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > >> ============================================== > >> > >> > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 15:46:48 2008 Received: (qmail 26642 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 13:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 13:46:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A52C3562; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC904C3448 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so1574403fka.1 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:46:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yPqZ/LwOdVUwY8K0BAX4TFAtUvRG5CBc6AeihHF/6Jg=; b=SbIlEPBjpRIaVuWDWvxPuzLKmDBgSozCZml/GdhsetQXM+UZlDDLy9uA1INCg6uDzL nvicVtfaEVZVeu9xzFX1x4XhQBjPM1YHJe/9D86IEoIvuIUqP1csimC8oNFb7xCWWiNe EMFkXG6LoQhsTzr/McRSWXH0Ri3Khr0oJurqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=IABbmNviHePBk995thsYTkX2nVL7a2gw6VypSVU4kwIjAAE48ccutNr556J4VDAUp/ hy9siW8bRpVPHMr4yz8l8EmvPrFQ7tNzO9sNUd2YIoYsg/gEQ6YZ6jpXLfWl8U144EH0 DBio+zUQ79zfTzLG1lCTkfwbp/ExpC7m6TVdI= Received: by 10.125.83.17 with SMTP id k17mr664911mkl.65.1217771196255; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.132.11 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 06:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080808030646h19282871t765709f14da38595@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:46:36 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Snapshot with Rolleiflex TLR In-Reply-To: <60f983080808030508tcf08c35ibc53abdae775cd97@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080807310329h1a93e736g82184cc2a668c750@mail.gmail.com> <48929AF5.1010700@gmail.com> <60f983080807312307q7a8b6254if79dfb71d38fa75c@mail.gmail.com> <4892CC2C.9090002@gmail.com> <60f983080808030508tcf08c35ibc53abdae775cd97@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 15:46:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4895b6c8212131234514069 Woo ........... It's a great different after create a new ICC profile for my Canon scanner. The picture scanned with built-in ICC profile:- http://www.michaelphotography.net/Lei_Yue_Mun/bin/images/large/RolleiflexT0027_Velvia100.jpg The picture scanned with IT8 target ICC profile:- http://www.michaelphotography.net/others/RolleiflexT0031.jpg Much close original slide film :-) Thanks for Moose's advice. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 19:41:37 2008 Received: (qmail 15364 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 17:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 17:41:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A637EC28D2; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CCEC2B5B for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id t.c12.35d824af (34922) for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-886a4895edbc7f; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:41:16 -0400 Received: from FWM-M16 (fwm-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.80]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a4895edb8118; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:41:12 -0400 References: <165618.95984.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489417AA.4020403@gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:41:12 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 65.124.76.242 In-Reply-To: <489417AA.4020403@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nsurit@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 65.124.76.242 by FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:41:12 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC3A741895F7C-14C4-1F77@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: nsurit@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 19:41:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4895edd1212643675314703 So many people shoot Holga's/other types of vintage cameras these days and are not concerned with things like focus, depth, etc. They just hit the shutter and let it happen. While taking a class at a local place on instruction I met one of the instructors who used Holga or Holga like cameras almost exclusively.? I was a bit puzzled by their romance with these cameras and took a somewhat "better than thou" position about my using real cameras.? This conversation occurred in my head exclusively as it wasn't a position I felt need expressing verbally.? Somewhere along the line I picked up a?Holga and thought I might try to see what the fascination was with these cameras.? What I discovered was that not all images captured with these cameras need to look like they were?created with little thought of what the photographer was doing.? Yes, it does help to know such things as depth of field, compostion, exposure, etc. when working with these are similar cameras.My?use of the Holga and Diana cameras has resulted in one or the other usually being in my kit most of the time.? It has also resulted in my having images in the last two Krappy Kamera Competitio ns.? My suggestion is to "Try it,?you will like." or perhaps you may like it.? toycamera.com and?apug.org each have some interesting stuff made with these simple cameras.? <{B^)? Bill Barber?? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 3 23:49:35 2008 Received: (qmail 12233 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 21:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 21:49:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDC2C378D; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id F0045C3051 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23966 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8CAC3A741895F7C-14C4-1F77@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com> References: <165618.95984.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489417AA.4020403@gmail.com> <8CAC3A741895F7C-14C4-1F77@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <7775F31E-E469-445C-891E-3A24A1D830A7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:49:15 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 3 23:49:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489627ef249891234514069 Yeah, right. Using the Lubutel at the weekend - - assess DOF, set appropriate aperture, incident meter with minolta 4F, set shutter speed, compose, focus, check focus scale for agreement, cock, fire, wind on... Nothing to it. Quite, er, spontaneous. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/08/2008, at 3:41 AM, nsurit@aol.com wrote: > > > > > So many people shoot Holga's/other types of vintage cameras these > days and are > not concerned with things like focus, depth, etc. They just hit the > shutter and > let it happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While taking a class at a local place on instruction I met one of > the instructors who used Holga or Holga like cameras almost > exclusively.? I was a bit puzzled by their romance with these > cameras and took a somewhat "better than thou" position about my > using real cameras.? This conversation occurred in my head > exclusively as it wasn't a position I felt need expressing > verbally.? Somewhere along the line I picked up a?Holga and thought > I might try to see what the fascination was with these cameras.? > What I discovered was that not all images captured with these > cameras need to look like they were?created with little thought of > what the photographer was doing.? Yes, it does help to know such > things as depth of field, compostion, exposure, etc. when working > with these are similar cameras.My?use of the Holga and Diana > cameras has resulted in one or the other usually being in my kit > most of the time.? It has also resulted in my having images in the > last two Krappy Kamera Competitio > > ns.? My suggestion is to "Try it,?you will like." or perhaps you > may like it.? toycamera.com and?apug.org each have some interesting > stuff made with these simple cameras.? <{B^)? Bill Barber?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 01:02:54 2008 Received: (qmail 13009 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 23:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 23:02:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C6EC3114; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:02:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:02:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93301C358F for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:02:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080803230239H04009aei6e>; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:02:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Busy Bee Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:02:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 01:02:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896391e199389347015869 The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 01:54:38 2008 Received: (qmail 6916 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 23:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 23:54:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695CCC3301; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:54:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:54:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C401C2F7C for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:54:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31573 invoked by uid 504); 3 Aug 2008 23:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Aug 2008 23:54:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:54:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 01:54:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896453e4731342116753 Nice job. Good fill flash exposure. Hibiscus? Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I > had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 01:57:40 2008 Received: (qmail 14337 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2008 23:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 23:57:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73009C321C; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:57:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:57:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B073C2AB2 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:57:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080803235725H0100m4dqhe>; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:57:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:57:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 01:57:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489645f4132745368819438 Hi, Chuck. Similar to hibiscus, it as known as Althea, or Rose of Sharon. We brought them here from Mississippi years ago. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:54 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee > Nice job. Good fill flash exposure. Hibiscus? > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I >> had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 02:03:30 2008 Received: (qmail 22630 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 00:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 00:03:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52E5C2801; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 02:03:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:03:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66E1C283D for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 02:03:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1223072wah.17 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wAf7KQy4sFnkW6Ezp2JckiqULUMih0yC/Ay4rZjSjuI=; b=WRoMykdUqtWv0TX3Cp+Pq9u2WQhJEbvOU//Pk/UI28QZtjUTjbJM8/DT7oHATeYZYy K4648IxnIK4Celof/QwYH1XJxD/5LCNCzjVCzeTgxuznScnMTDSHiV3XKxIBeRnRRAx6 KujpUnMkQSCQ4W/SGMgwSqJ9zlUr6XYpNZ7nM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EkKvN4SvkqpoMhHw0Vih7PVVA2jtknwQZkBGpKorUDwCbtwlpkeekTgU86LnEgQgBv tLcxXJsg5uZZ0e4KQow0w/YZG3hEf7tgeM0aEMxb3YB42Q74CAqmuMP+LZpd0s08uMJv rjm2l8SqYPP27bGWcwTQYZlw3MyHyextBfPo8= Received: by 10.115.18.1 with SMTP id v1mr13990471wai.15.1217808195831; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [124.171.130.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v25sm5706075wah.36.2008.08.03.17.03.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48964738.2020306@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:03:04 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48938599.90602@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 02:03:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48964752191911946193717 Moose wrote: > Willie Wonka wrote: >> Looks like someone had a grand time. >> > Indeed, and thanks for looking and commenting. >> >> >From the set of images, I liked this one the most: >> >> despite the lens flair. >> > Glad you like it, but that's not lens flare. ... My first thought on seeing this photo was "the ocean", though I was wrong on the specifics. Except that the trees don't look anywhere near "windswept" enough, the photo had me thinking of waves crashing at the base of those hills, and the salt spray being driven by the winds up over them. Here, during times of bigger seas driven by an off-shore Low, looking all the way up Noosa North Shore you can often see the spray looking like a fog trying to climb the hills that come down to the beach (actually large, mostly stable and vegetated sand dunes). Looking south, towards where Mount Coolum (not a dune - just a 208m tall very old volcanic dome) is close to the coast, its base is sometimes obscured by salt spray being blown inland. Anyway, the point is, sometimes your coastal photos and hills photos remind me in some way of my region. >> I also liked the atmosphere in this one: >> >> > Oh goody! It's really over the top PS play. I concur with Boris - I like it too. In this case, though, it reminds me of the coast just south of Sydney (Kurnell to north of Cronulla). Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 02:29:10 2008 Received: (qmail 4915 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 00:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 00:29:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBEAC33D1; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 02:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D2AC2C03 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 02:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13611 invoked by uid 504); 4 Aug 2008 00:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Aug 2008 00:28:57 -0000 Message-ID: <48964D48.2070400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:28:56 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 02:29:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48964d56194931035110158 I should have recognized it. I have a large Rose of Sharon in the back yard which is now in full bloom. Been meaning to take some shots but it has been too windy whenever I think if it. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi, Chuck. > > Similar to hibiscus, it as known as Althea, or Rose of Sharon. We brought > them here from Mississippi years ago. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:54 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee > > >> Nice job. Good fill flash exposure. Hibiscus? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I >>> had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 03:40:09 2008 Received: (qmail 24145 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 01:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:40:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36D5C28B6; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 03:39:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:39:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1544BC30D7 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 03:39:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080804013954H0500e8cd2e>; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 01:39:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <6DF37301289B44AEA2307B6CFA9194D9@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48964D48.2070400@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:39:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 03:40:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48965df9207857350615338 Chuck, My wife reminded me that the last time we had a true hibiscus in a pot on the patio, it was devoured by the gray squirrels, which we ususally have in abundance. The same thing happened to her Christmas cactus some years before. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee >I should have recognized it. I have a large Rose of Sharon in the back > yard which is now in full bloom. Been meaning to take some shots but it > has been too windy whenever I think if it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Hi, Chuck. >> >> Similar to hibiscus, it as known as Althea, or Rose of Sharon. We brought >> them here from Mississippi years ago. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:54 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee >> >> >>> Nice job. Good fill flash exposure. Hibiscus? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I >>>> had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html >>>> >>>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 >> 5:30 PM >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 07:26:48 2008 Received: (qmail 5223 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 05:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 05:26:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1DBC2AC9; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:26:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:26:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2608AC28A1 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:26:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B999C96DD for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:41:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:26:36 +0100 References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 07:26:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896931866741470116606 That's a lovely shot Jim. The flash seems to be nicely balanced. Chris On 4 Aug 2008, at 00:02, Jim Nichols wrote: > The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I > had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 07:39:42 2008 Received: (qmail 32345 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 05:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 05:39:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E287EC2F2E; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF96C2D64 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080804053928H0100m4q00e>; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:39:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:39:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 07:39:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896961e47161499373980 Chris, Thanks for looking and for the kind words. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:26 AM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee > > That's a lovely shot Jim. The flash seems to be nicely balanced. > > Chris > > On 4 Aug 2008, at 00:02, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I >> had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 08:24:09 2008 Received: (qmail 75 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 06:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 06:24:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01C3C2FAB; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBAAC3276 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3075961rvb.29 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:23:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F5o+12+NqMvYlWstpnO08NFP+1T9v2ji4Lzc8t2tI+s=; b=fQLWMOiYNZSMNwUNCbiGha101cBAZJ0hqzM9i0CzR582g6eNdTwzKyEQqvJwZ2bWCE eKORJuFIiFmlTFEHyxNOYR9FbR8TYJrGIs74UaaV9W2xoFoRpRHcCazgJsPWifQLx1o/ els8A6kU5pA/gjoHnsLfRVClzZd0rAOk1te9Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aqQrJRakIz42G57s8nA7BjIdvoIZ6NLhiWE7QIaiajsd8hFasC7OmZnurYpY4qSwBX YiX8gOlMlsLAhKXdJ5K+bU/cc4R9Ct2F5rASZjsyX2T6cex+l4uDFgEkMnHdXDya0tuW ugFPHszunAiEFN3QBJYGagCsNmikbhQ3gphO0= Received: by 10.141.123.4 with SMTP id a4mr7362595rvn.172.1217831034753; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? 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References: <165618.95984.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489417AA.4020403@gmail.com> <8CAC3A741895F7C-14C4-1F77@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com> <7775F31E-E469-445C-891E-3A24A1D830A7@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <7775F31E-E469-445C-891E-3A24A1D830A7@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 08:24:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896a088250741470116606 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Yeah, right. > Using the Lubutel at the weekend - > - assess DOF, set appropriate aperture, incident meter with minolta > 4F, set shutter speed, compose, focus, check focus scale for > agreement, cock, fire, wind on... > Nothing to it. > Using the Holga - Optional: - If interested, guess distance. - Set the joke focusing indicator either at the setting approximating the guess, or somewhere else. - Point camera Required: - Click shutter - Wind on Nothing to it. Quite spontaneous. 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( [71.139.170.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm7412054wfd.4.2008.08.03.23.48.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4896A62D.9020403@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:48:13 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> <4893DD8D.6090501@gmail.com> <06B2D8AA12E04DB78A38B2DC3218B446@Alaisdairthree> In-Reply-To: <06B2D8AA12E04DB78A38B2DC3218B446@Alaisdairthree> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 08:48:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896a64181851342116753 Scott Peden wrote: > ..... My ability to manually focus is really bad, never did get any good shots with manual focus though I have kept my long lenses, I can't get a decent shot with the 70-300 on manual yet auto is spectacular compared to > that, so it is nearly a necessity to have auto focus. Keep some perspective. The E-330 and E-500 are really poor (abysmal might be a better word) cameras for manual focus through the viewfinder. The viewfinders are small and dim, compared to those on many other small sensor DSLRs, let alone FF models. The focusing screens are optimized for brightness, which is not optimal for seeing focus, and have no focusing aids. In the case of the E-330, brightness is further compromised by the partially silvered mirror that lets light onto the Mode A live-view sensor. Then there are the lenses you are using, except for the 50/2. Perfectly good lenses for what they were designed for, small, inexpensive and light. But really, put an f5.6 tele lens on an OM-1 and try to focus it, tough in any but the very best light. The wonder isn't that you can't focus those cameras with the slow lenses you have used. The wonder would be if you could do so. > ..... At least work is good! > Excellent!! Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 08:53:28 2008 Received: (qmail 10085 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 06:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 06:53:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C17C33AB; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 061D8C35C7 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27675 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 06:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 06:53:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4896A073.5000708@gmail.com> References: <165618.95984.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489417AA.4020403@gmail.com> <8CAC3A741895F7C-14C4-1F77@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com> <7775F31E-E469-445C-891E-3A24A1D830A7@people.net.au> <4896A073.5000708@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:53:05 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 08:53:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896a76874191073733319 On 04/08/2008, at 4:23 PM, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Yeah, right. >> Using the Lubutel at the weekend - >> - assess DOF, set appropriate aperture, incident meter with minolta >> 4F, set shutter speed, compose, focus, check focus scale for >> agreement, cock, fire, wind on... >> Nothing to it. >> > Using the Holga - > > Optional: > - If interested, guess distance. > - Set the joke focusing indicator either at the setting approximating > the guess, or somewhere else. > - Point camera > > Required: > - Click shutter > - Wind on > > Nothing to it. > Quite spontaneous. > Ah yes - I see my mistake now. I'm actually trying to take a photograph. I must try and get over this obsessive compulsion. I've got a Colourflash DeLuxe somewhere (Diana cousin). I'll get it out and try and do better. Incidentally - since I got the Mavica, I've got interested in early digitals - particularly those below 1mp. Some of them are truly weird - before the body designs settled down into the same old pattern. Especially early Kodak DC models, some of the other old Sony's and so on. If anyone has or trips over any, I'd be interested. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 08:57:46 2008 Received: (qmail 1678 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 06:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 06:57:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4B6C3238; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:57:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:57:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E19A3C3214 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28283 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 06:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.133.142) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 06:57:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4896A62D.9020403@gmail.com> References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <48939125.6030406@gmail.com> <5E50983E99544B50BA16A0050369F353@jimnichols> <4893DD8D.6090501@gmail.com> <06B2D8AA12E04DB78A38B2DC3218B446@Alaisdairthree> <4896A62D.9020403@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: More Experimentation Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:57:26 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 08:57:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4896a86a14011342116753 I do some manual focus with the E-330 but usually on a tripod in B mode and making use of the magnified view. You only have to try focussing by eye and then checking with magnified B mode view to see just how far off you usually are. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/08/2008, at 4:48 PM, Moose wrote: > Keep some perspective. The E-330 and E-500 are really poor (abysmal > might be a better word) cameras for manual focus through the > viewfinder. > The viewfinders are small and dim, compared to those on many other > small > sensor DSLRs, let alone FF models. The focusing screens are optimized > for brightness, which is not optimal for seeing focus, and have no > focusing aids. In the case of the E-330, brightness is further > compromised by the partially silvered mirror that lets light onto the > Mode A live-view sensor. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 17:36:52 2008 Received: (qmail 2988 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 15:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 15:36:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BAFC39B3; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:36:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:36:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FFDC3276 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:36:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01C.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m74FaQse017496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; 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Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:44:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Test To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <434561.97133.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 17:45:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48972410255389347015869 Coming through!! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Geilfuss Charles wrote: > From: Geilfuss Charles > Subject: [OM] Test > To: Olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:36 AM > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 17:47:10 2008 Received: (qmail 31501 invoked by uid 0); 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Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:46:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 17:47:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897247e821470116606 > Incidentally - since I got the Mavica, I've got > interested in early > digitals - particularly those below 1mp. Some of them are > truly weird > - before the body designs settled down into the same old > pattern. > Especially early Kodak DC models, some of the other old > Sony's and so > on. If anyone has or trips over any, I'd be interested. > These will be digital Holga's soon enough if they aren't already called that. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 17:59:02 2008 Received: (qmail 3024 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 15:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 15:59:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E47C2983; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:58:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:58:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1DDC2AAB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:58:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7731) for ; 05 Aug 2008 01:58:42 +1000 From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:58:35 +1000 (EST) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Old stuff Message-ID: <0007122680.0001U9TW@ns2.comkal.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 17:59:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48972745258061702588592 Hi Andrew, > Oh yes - and that reminds me. I think I forgot to thank you for the > help with the Zip disc. > It was very much appreciated. Your welcome, shame you didnt get what you wanted though :-( If you think you have found the right one in the future, happy to convert again. > The Mavica has I home when I get tired of it - I have a friend who > collects old digitals. > But I may just start my own collection anywho. Careful, its bad enough collecting OM's ! > Andrew Fildes (who is definitely an obsolete format). Wonder what we could convert you to then :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ Wait!! Don't pick up that teleph ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 18:16:02 2008 Received: (qmail 29913 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 16:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 16:16:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB4CC2FE4; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:15:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:15:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58878C2EBB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:15:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m74GFl5I009655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:15:47 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m74GFeVS019001 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:15:46 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:15:41 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Test Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434561.97133.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Test Thread-Index: Acj2SVQf2CTLLsTwS6mu3OnbCUgIYAAA9GPQ References: <434561.97133.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2008 16:15:41.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[573624E0:01C8F64D] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808040070 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808040070 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 18:16:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48972b42151321234514069 Thanks. IT finally got the problem solved while I was away on vacation. Turns out the List address was being blocked by a corporate server who thought it was spam. Imagine that. Good to be back. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:45 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test Coming through!! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Geilfuss Charles wrote: > From: Geilfuss Charles > Subject: [OM] Test > To: Olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:36 AM > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 18:59:35 2008 Received: (qmail 9326 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 16:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 16:59:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9CCC2C4D; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:59:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962DCC351C for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:59:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11446 invoked by uid 504); 4 Aug 2008 16:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Aug 2008 16:59:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4897355A.8060109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:59:06 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test References: <434561.97133.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 18:59:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48973577221662046811720 Glad to see you're back. 20 lashes to the IT guy who did that analysis or wrote the code that did so... actually, 40 lashes if it was a piece of code making the decision. Chuck Norcutt Geilfuss Charles wrote: > Thanks. IT finally got the problem solved while I was away on > vacation. Turns out the List address was being blocked by a corporate > server who thought it was spam. Imagine that. > Good to be back. > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of AS > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:45 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Test > > > Coming through!! > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Geilfuss Charles > wrote: > >> From: Geilfuss Charles >> Subject: [OM] Test >> To: Olympus@ml.free.fr >> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:36 AM >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1590 - Release Date: 8/4/2008 8:09 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 19:01:41 2008 Received: (qmail 5308 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 17:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 17:01:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C304C30BA; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:01:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB496C34A9 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:01:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13371 invoked by uid 504); 4 Aug 2008 17:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Aug 2008 17:01:16 -0000 Message-ID: <489735DC.1050606@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:01:16 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 19:01:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489735f5304862046811720 The digital Holga will be a 32 megapixel camera with 1-1/8 sensor. Probably won't come out for another 3 months or so. :-) Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > >> Incidentally - since I got the Mavica, I've got >> interested in early >> digitals - particularly those below 1mp. Some of them are >> truly weird >> - before the body designs settled down into the same old >> pattern. >> Especially early Kodak DC models, some of the other old >> Sony's and so >> on. If anyone has or trips over any, I'd be interested. >> > > These will be digital Holga's soon enough if they aren't already called that. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 19:47:20 2008 Received: (qmail 17970 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 17:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 17:47:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6B6C338C; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CF3C31DB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1442032wah.17 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=uTGvYLLQW4OXA+k7Baup9v/ORTY61UfyjZouiagYE4A=; b=AazdvUMIF/sR2hg3CyY+Sfz9bFx09t4gR4RQ8fZY4VShWwbMlo6b4L1Bl9o8LMx+Iq ivliWrZ+EdJj80DLQC9YOcu73mpw1hJNY9vqY9JP002z5wt8aWOc7WflZItTTASwDe84 zgdNLB5os29sIWgS1AexEBfzTjwHV4dCQ0X/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SBsFW2Ezln6iJUJtjCmh70wgO135YRrwB2z0qkMREtmE5igJWwkVSdDyGKbfktNti8 GzTdvki/TsHfreiEaFxRIbl5O9xjVi0I8eqkT4ShcHO58mjYaT6yizsdjFO71wt732MJ 8XrUD/ArjnasEGsEdAb3C5zagYVIv3AtPRAD0= Received: by 10.114.202.15 with SMTP id z15mr14933683waf.88.1217872026681; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:47:06 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! In-Reply-To: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4e2cdca29d44fc6b X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 19:47:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489740a877469347015869 http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/funkeycam.shtml On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM, AS wrote: > > These will be digital Holga's soon enough if they aren't already called > that. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 20:08:48 2008 Received: (qmail 25516 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 18:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 18:08:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8D9C34CE; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:08:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:08:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825EBC4282 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080804180559.TXQK18077.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:05:59 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id yJ5z1Z00A3Hz7l802J5zeZ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 20:08:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489745b0139241591313764 > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/funkeycam.shtml > Ah, yes, I remember those. There was womething on the net about modifying one of those to hang on a cat's collar and take pictures as it went about it's daily business. The samples were facinating. [No rude comments about butt-sniffing] Didn't bother, as cant get the cats to wear collars. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 21:24:39 2008 Received: (qmail 3860 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A77C3799; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:24:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:24:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A83FC372A for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:24:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m74JOOxS002356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:24:24 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m74JONWn010943 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:24:23 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:24:23 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Test Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:24:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4897355A.8060109@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Test Thread-Index: Acj2U4yWS7zud+kyQhikVhO6ogpLQAAFA1xQ References: <434561.97133.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4897355A.8060109@chucknorcutt.com> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2008 19:24:23.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[B39FFC50:01C8F667] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808040091 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808040091 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 21:24:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48975777268131234514069 Indeed; time to let the cat out of the bag. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:59 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test Glad to see you're back. 20 lashes to the IT guy who did that analysis or wrote the code that did so... actually, 40 lashes if it was a piece of code making the decision. Chuck Norcutt Geilfuss Charles wrote: > Thanks. IT finally got the problem solved while I was away on > vacation. Turns out the List address was being blocked by a corporate > server who thought it was spam. Imagine that. > Good to be back. > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of AS > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:45 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Test > > > Coming through!! > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Geilfuss Charles > wrote: > >> From: Geilfuss Charles >> Subject: [OM] Test >> To: Olympus@ml.free.fr >> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:36 AM >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1590 - Release Date: 8/4/2008 8:09 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 22:31:40 2008 Received: (qmail 17904 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 20:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:31:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CCAC3CE4; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:31:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:31:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B96AC2F65 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:29:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3648265rvb.29 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q1CwsFbfUDyGNBKm/rpuGgiPyBr9y09V5Or7lkaxhQE=; b=T4SIsFe3uCkepKAtDN+iSndLO+RDA+1Zc+o7r6Bu/HOPhQ+wJKfpmhWEuML9UafWsW T6yWZH6gKG2P6nRJ6A9gGn1Dkr3f1ZfdbK4nmT3G5hGpAVNSpSBaCOJlIywIFcVu0mo7 NIwlHobvH4Y7hMLXpVNwWIyyN8yN+FEwC7ELE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YTXQHJ3uOgcZA2chbU64nr9iLy4rF26Jl3BJLr1NBuFe/6OjqHNlIYfu/v/Y9zWEyl oGnLuBjkBlb07MYhGR7xy/jmPdtwnrcZ+dFeNrG8sLt6xukL2IfKMDQTwVSvLgL4YTPd n4u2kiwzosXF7VBNiEIiq5U5m9DW9OaAOoHXc= Received: by 10.140.135.19 with SMTP id i19mr7743729rvd.169.1217881795984; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.165.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm7563973rvb.5.2008.08.04.13.29.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489766B9.3080705@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:29:45 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 22:31:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897672c124003675314703 http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 22:58:59 2008 Received: (qmail 15069 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 20:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:58:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE7DC31E9; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F062C2D1F for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:49404 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KQ78Y-0006n0-3X (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:58:38 +0000 Message-Id: <8903CCE2-DBE3-43A0-BE78-2E0D3557C839@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 31: move and more Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:58:36 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 22:58:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48976d93216071993019900 Last week's big event was that we moved. The new house is better but is also means that I will no longer be living within walking distance of the beach bar. So of course I spent quite a bit of time there, making sure that I said goodbye properly. There are also some pics of the move and of our new surroundings: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=152 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 4 23:05:20 2008 Received: (qmail 30863 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 21:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 21:05:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5D4C3088; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:05:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:05:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA92C33C5 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:05:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080804210506H0100mckjme>; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:05:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <87C4F91125E64F448BBAD4A3D5DF198B@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <489766B9.3080705@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 4 23:05:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48976f1051057350615338 Nathan will be glad to hear that! Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: [OM] Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 > http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 00:14:13 2008 Received: (qmail 30474 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 22:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:14:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867C7C332C; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:14:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:14:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id BEC85C293D for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:13:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7350 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.173.113) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:13:56 -0000 In-Reply-To: <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:13:52 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 00:14:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48977f3584802336821329 No such problem is insoluble. A friend works for the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp. that is) and is their wildlife cam boffin. He's the one who designed a night vision fibre optic drill camera to get into platypus and wombat burrows. The task was to film Tasmanian Devil behaviour and they wanted to put a camera/powerpack/transmitter collar unit around their necks pointing forward. Fitting them wasn't too difficult - well not not easy but...y'know. The tricky thing was to make a package that they couldn't actually eat. Last I heard they were making chunky titanium boxes. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/08/2008, at 7:08 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > Ah, yes, I remember those. There was womething on the net about > modifying > one of those to hang on a cat's collar and take pictures as it went > about > it's daily business. The samples were facinating. [No rude comments > about > butt-sniffing] > > Didn't bother, as cant get the cats to wear collars. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 00:18:49 2008 Received: (qmail 25143 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 22:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:18:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE40C3896; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:18:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:18:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id F1D3EC2C71 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7885 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.173.113) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:18:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <0955AA25-83AF-43F3-9BBC-7C91BE3FE02A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:18:31 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 00:18:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48978049150631946193717 No, misses the point. The Holga was based on the Diana which is, essentially, a child's toy. Large and plastic lens. It pretends to be a real camera but, not really. Sorta. I think something like this might be loser to the mark - And back off - I saw it first, right! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/08/2008, at 3:47 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/funkeycam.shtml > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM, AS wrote: > >> >> These will be digital Holga's soon enough if they aren't already >> called >> that. >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 00:44:09 2008 Received: (qmail 22567 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2008 22:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:44:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB247C3BF2; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B801C351B for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:43:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m74Mhp0F021015 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:43:51 +1000 Message-Id: <200808042243.m74Mhp0F021015@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:43:51 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:43:51 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 00:44:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48978639292677927319144 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > The digital Holga will be a 32 megapixel camera with 1-1/8 sensor. > Probably won't come out for another 3 months or so. :-) > ...and 1/2 those pixels won't work and those that do will be the wrong colour. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 02:32:07 2008 Received: (qmail 26650 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 00:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 00:32:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5F8C32D1; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2C0C309B for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id t.be6.30452ccc (37142) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA034-911648979f7237f; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:31:46 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M21 (mblk-m21.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.54]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA031-5c5348979f68284; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:31:36 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Almost on topic images Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:31:36 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.54) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC4A9C0DBF983-1130-E67@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 02:32:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48979f8738917927319144 Thanks for those , Moose, as well as the excellent tour. Yes, that image a few others will undoubtedly appear. Marnie and I had a short aestivation with friends on Ocracoke (the "anti-Nantucket") on the outer banks of NC, and now require the services of a back hoe to dig out at work but you have spurred me to put that project on the front burner. Mike Marnie caught the couple canoodling in a nice shot through the rear window that we may see here one day (?). Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 03:39:31 2008 Received: (qmail 32412 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 01:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:39:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F71C2942; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 03:39:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:39:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F52C2890 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 03:39:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m751d3Un002621 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:39:03 +1000 Message-Id: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:39:03 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:39:03 +1000 Subject: [OM] Slideshow software X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 03:39:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897af53320621234514069 I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. Any suggestions ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 04:45:37 2008 Received: (qmail 25999 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 02:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 02:45:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB0BC3ECA; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:45:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:45:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32931C3659 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:44:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27456 invoked by uid 504); 5 Aug 2008 02:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Aug 2008 02:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4897BE9A.5040206@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:44:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 31: move and more References: <8903CCE2-DBE3-43A0-BE78-2E0D3557C839@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <8903CCE2-DBE3-43A0-BE78-2E0D3557C839@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 04:45:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897bed1255401591313764 The winner is the white doggie across the street. Bet you're gonna miss those waitresses. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last week's big event was that we moved. The new house is better but > is also means that I will no longer be living within walking distance > of the beach bar. So of course I spent quite a bit of time there, > making sure that I said goodbye properly. There are also some pics of > the move and of our new surroundings: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=152 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1591 - Release Date: 8/4/2008 7:23 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 04:53:34 2008 Received: (qmail 24977 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9C4C2D38; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:53:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:53:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B0CC2940 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:53:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:49425 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KQCfi-0008FE-0y (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:53:17 +0000 Message-Id: <61087DD2-BEC7-4535-BBB7-36DE83D97192@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4897BE9A.5040206@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 31: move and more Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:53:13 +0200 References: <8903CCE2-DBE3-43A0-BE78-2E0D3557C839@frozenlight.eu> <4897BE9A.5040206@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 04:53:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897c0ae273361838542571 Thanks Chuck. I will make sure to pay the waitresses a visit from time to time ;-) Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:44 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The winner is the white doggie across the street. Bet you're gonna > miss > those waitresses. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Last week's big event was that we moved. The new house is better but >> is also means that I will no longer be living within walking distance >> of the beach bar. So of course I spent quite a bit of time there, >> making sure that I said goodbye properly. There are also some pics of >> the move and of our new surroundings: >> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=152 >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1591 - Release Date: >> 8/4/2008 7:23 PM >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 04:55:03 2008 Received: (qmail 8693 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 02:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 02:55:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A64C2890; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9242C2B38 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3829185rvb.29 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:54:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mY/go0oCKCGj1S/NQ66ye4kMaaaanTmv1N2oaHBJvX8=; b=f72jQT86Fz2yVuvYw1LI0uoKCTdyYqXH034gDtfUfqmqwmORX47uP0fxg53VffxSgw CLCh/Dvk8q4MgKenCEu9nrCFXX3HTFaNqLDHOW9+RDMsaSEpZGkT6Bz4+3lYq6WVwY6C 2kMYJAh3/lAOOBohy/qh5KjpHlSAdqT1jC0Bk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X9gFfg3u/mwY5TToWMwJLG9PEUOxTAB5YYs6pKHx2ibBVeBGxLQkcYyAntuwVwDgLP PfZSlKiBk2jus8ZlDhqG0bF+nYbhiZaEwPYurWmnXReZEg/C7ZXnza5/O07TgZDFjcjz ukC3OAx7A1u8VoAwTP8tSnARuOri7Dpz97FQY= Received: by 10.141.36.10 with SMTP id o10mr7910815rvj.176.1217904887826; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.167.185]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm8471493rvb.2.2008.08.04.19.54.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:54:40 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 04:55:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897c10786858512572685 Wayne Harridge wrote: > I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. > > I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. > > I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. > > Any suggestions ? > I suspect there are several solutions. I believe that Picassa will do the job described. I know it will do a random slide show and it will make a DVD movie from slides. Whether the two meet, I don't know. Hard to miss for the price - free. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 05:17:32 2008 Received: (qmail 17021 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 03:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 03:17:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5225C313B; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 05:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F767C344A for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 05:17:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.113]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m753HFln027737 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:17:16 +1000 Message-Id: <200808050317.m753HFln027737@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:17:15 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:17:15 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 05:17:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897c64c83311823421471 > Moose wrote: > > > Hard to miss for the price - free. > Thanks moose, Yep, I noticed that came up on a search I did along with many other things. I'll give it a try unless somebody comes up with a a good reason against within the next day. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 07:02:39 2008 Received: (qmail 29544 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 05:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 05:02:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A52C3479; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCAEC2F89 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616C4C9774 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:17:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <2E137D02-86BF-46FE-9C6B-9313E77AB2B7@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48938F47.2020003@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: OT: F31fd Replacement Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:02:26 +0100 References: <8CABF11C85FE98F-15BC-39B@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> <48938F47.2020003@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 07:02:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897deef303877927319144 Thanks, Moose. I suppose I knew that it would be that way, but I'm not so worried about the .jpeg files from the G7 that I will go to such lengths to work out how to use the CLI for DCRAW. I might just save up for a G9 ... Cheers Chris On 1 Aug 2008, at 23:33, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> I use a G7 and it is very robust. I have dropped it a couple of >> times and it works fine. I really like the interface and the >> optical viewfinder. >> >> I have the hack installed, but I still haven't worked out how to >> convert the RAW files it saves. > I doubt if any of the big time converters will ever support the CHDK > produced RAW files. Dcraw supports all of them, adding new ones pretty > quickly as they become available. > > Dcraw is available for OS X. It's command line only, which will turn > some folks off. Although not GUI, it is an excellent converter that > gives first class results. I have found a way to automate it under > Windoze where I select a group of files and ship them off for batch > processing with a click of the mouse. I have no idea how one does > such a > thing under OS X, but I can't imagine it isn't possible. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 07:09:32 2008 Received: (qmail 30722 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 05:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 05:09:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C46C363D; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911A1C2FAF for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81647C9774 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:24:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <9F63131A-2921-4B70-9563-39FF7B775A22@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <55B404C8-061A-4572-BA2D-6808F10499DD@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 30: more of the same, sorry... Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:09:20 +0100 References: <55B404C8-061A-4572-BA2D-6808F10499DD@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 07:09:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897e08c19251035110158 It looks lovely and sunny in your part of Europe, Nathan. Thanks for the shots, and I hope that your new house is a happy one. Chris On 30 Jul 2008, at 22:43, Nathan wrote: > I know it must be boring with all those babes on the beach, but > really, there is not much else going on in Alicante in July. However, > I also have a tired guy at the airport, a frightening wife, and an > abandoned farmhouse. It is all here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=151 > > and as always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 07:31:32 2008 Received: (qmail 27217 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 05:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 05:31:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048F1C2B5C; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:31:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F93CC2C61 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:31:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3890418rvb.29 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:31:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0+N3QKXurD6cEb89ykvGP0Iwb/9gLbpLR0CoIkuMYtY=; b=HByr4Fo/g/2YlCMoG1kdjF9B+nBPcUXWLPCgif2SMbw9LK+iyol8YCI1xPtk0Iw9xJ ZGjs47QwZb9YVlbfk2qgsDFHTV5ZjutNUFwMfF1EHe0ld9nrBgRgqvete4CARFmyCXlP B6vsjNcCyn/TsKIeic/z4yHmFq6CK/6YqGW8U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jyG8X8sXwrPxJCZPALOG/nQp0VykOrZ/RfWLgrfA5v6JGGcJLN2QeGKSO7jZVOAcfQ qFsvPDiLlAcuo5eIjNOLl/rVy3cQu83CyCJu50Zy7dAq3Yn/3zuiVxsV5JJZhfheyKbJ 25EWrTlwg4avcrCNK1bm/zxMdkkM6aqzjCX64= Received: by 10.141.205.10 with SMTP id h10mr7974651rvq.54.1217914277218; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.182.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm8576921rvf.8.2008.08.04.22.31.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4897E59F.6080905@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:31:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Funky little cameras [was Back to film!] References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 07:31:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897e5b474737350615338 Jez Cunningham wrote: > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/funkeycam.shtml > I think the analogy is very loose. The Holga/Diana/? cameras have wonderfully bad lenses, as do the funkycam and its ilk. However, the Holga records its 6x6cm images on 120 film. Thus, the results of various abberrations, soft focus and random asphericity of the lenses is recorded with considerable dynamic range, long, smooth tonal distribution. The subtle details of the lenses faults are recorded, in effect, in quite high resolution, both tonal and spacial. I was given a funkycam by a friend as an alternative to simply throwing it away. I have since acquired another version of the concept, a VistaQuest VQ-1005. In these cameras, the poor lens is supplemented with a very low resolution sensor with poor dynamic range and somewhat 'chunky' tonal graduation. This is not to say that they are not capable of creating artistically interesting images, only that the quality/feel/whatever of these images is very different from those of Holga and Co. For one thing, the images from the funkycam are really small. A 352x288 pixel image (0.1 MP) is just a big thumbnail, to me. Upsizing so as to retain the essential character of the image and without obvious pixelization is not trivial. With primitive auto exposure and no controls at all, a lot of shots just don't come off. Bright subject with darker surroundings? Fuggedaboutit. I get a blob of white surrounded by decently exposed stuff. On the other hand, the funkycam is much better than I expected in modest light. You may not have noticed that none of the sample images in Michael's paean to the funkycam are taken under sunny conditions. The VistaQuest has a much more useful image size of 1280x1024 pixels (1.3 MP). It's not so much that it resolves much detail - an early Oly digi Stylus with a real lens and 1024x960 image size (1.0 MP) resolves much more detail. The point is that the image size is big enough to be easy to work with. The VQ is sort of the reverse of the FC, with far better exposure outside and pretty useless in less than bright light. It will still blow highlights, but not all of them all the time. :-) Anyway, these little thingies seem to be a way of creating, mostly by accident, I suspect, some interesting "bad" images, but images with quite a different character than those of the 120 film Holga & Co. A few more notes for anyone looking to try one of these things: The funkycams provide power to their internal memory full time, resulting in battery life measured in single digit hours. Battery die, images go bye-bye. So you actually are tethered to a computer, in a way. Also, they require proprietary software to download the images. The VQ is a bit thicker, in return for which it has an an SD card slot. With a card, the internal memory is ignored, which may or may not improve battery life, but with rechargeables and an SD card, it is less important, as no batteries are wasted nor images lost. It has a USB mass storage interface, so the card shows up as a disk drive. In fact, it may be used in a pinch as an SD card reader. It has two focus settings, portrait and mountain. They are very approximate. On mine and those of others who have posted about them, portrait seems to mean 18-24" or so and mountain something further away, but not too far. However, I saw a post somewhere saying focus, such as it is, is adjustable inside by screwing the lens in/out. Apparently turning the lens is how the external near/far switch works. I haven't tried that yet. Ah, it's true. I just opened it up. Yes, there is a trick. One may indeed adjust the focus range. I got it to focus on this missive at about 15". Wow, there is a lot of sharpening being applied, bright halos on text. Tomorrow in daylight, I'll see about setting distance focus. Moose Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 08:28:02 2008 Received: (qmail 12772 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 06:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 06:28:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02D6C2E80; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E42F0C3329 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3600 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 06:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.173.113) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 06:27:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4897E59F.6080905@gmail.com> References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <4897E59F.6080905@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2EE1A44B-0AE7-4165-B2D7-E5907A6A2B74@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Funky little cameras [was Back to film!] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:27:37 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 08:28:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897f2f243111946193717 The closest I've got to Holgaising an image is by playing silly buggers withg the lens on a decent body. Thus a Holga lens/cap on a 5D or a funky Kodak accessory tele lens on the front of a Zuiko 25mm (it just happened to be 43mm!) But that's sort of cheat I think. I'm hoping to happen upon something in the 2-3mp range with a truly woeful lens. That would be more like it, especially if it's in an ugly body (I want a Kodak DC260/265 - what were they smoking when they designed that?) Failing that I'll dumpster dive for old early didges and stick something on the front of those perhaps. I do like the VistaQuest though - I may go look for one of those. - it's better than the other keyring cams I've seen, like the L'Espion I saw today. Didn't buy that because it lacked charm. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/08/2008, at 3:31 PM, Moose wrote: > Jez Cunningham wrote: >> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/funkeycam.shtml >> > I think the analogy is very loose. The Holga/Diana/? cameras have > wonderfully bad lenses, as do the funkycam and its ilk. However, the > Holga records its 6x6cm images on 120 film. Thus, the results of > various > abberrations, soft focus and random asphericity of the lenses is > recorded with considerable dynamic range, long, smooth tonal > distribution. The subtle details of the lenses faults are recorded, in > effect, in quite high resolution, both tonal and spacial. > > I was given a funkycam by a friend as an alternative to simply > throwing > it away. I have since acquired another version of the concept, a > VistaQuest VQ-1005. In these cameras, the poor lens is supplemented > with > a very low resolution sensor with poor dynamic range and somewhat > 'chunky' tonal graduation. > > This is not to say that they are not capable of creating artistically > interesting images, only that the quality/feel/whatever of these > images > is very different from those of Holga and Co. > > For one thing, the images from the funkycam are really small. A > 352x288 > pixel image (0.1 MP) is just a big thumbnail, to me. Upsizing so as to > retain the essential character of the image and without obvious > pixelization is not trivial. With primitive auto exposure and no > controls at all, a lot of shots just don't come off. Bright subject > with > darker surroundings? Fuggedaboutit. I get a blob of white > surrounded by > decently exposed stuff. On the other hand, the funkycam is much better > than I expected in modest light. > > You may not have noticed that none of the sample images in Michael's > paean to the funkycam are taken under sunny conditions. > > The VistaQuest has a much more useful image size of 1280x1024 pixels > (1.3 MP). It's not so much that it resolves much detail - an early Oly > digi Stylus with a real lens and 1024x960 image size (1.0 MP) resolves > much more detail. The point is that the image size is big enough to be > easy to work with. The VQ is sort of the reverse of the FC, with far > better exposure outside and pretty useless in less than bright > light. It > will still blow highlights, but not all of them all the time. :-) > > Anyway, these little thingies seem to be a way of creating, mostly by > accident, I suspect, some interesting "bad" images, but images with > quite a different character than those of the 120 film Holga & Co. > > A few more notes for anyone looking to try one of these things: > > The funkycams provide power to their internal memory full time, > resulting in battery life measured in single digit hours. Battery die, > images go bye-bye. So you actually are tethered to a computer, in a > way. > Also, they require proprietary software to download the images. > > The VQ is a bit thicker, in return for which it has an an SD card > slot. > With a card, the internal memory is ignored, which may or may not > improve battery life, but with rechargeables and an SD card, it is > less > important, as no batteries are wasted nor images lost. It has a USB > mass > storage interface, so the card shows up as a disk drive. In fact, > it may > be used in a pinch as an SD card reader. > > It has two focus settings, portrait and mountain. They are very > approximate. On mine and those of others who have posted about them, > portrait seems to mean 18-24" or so and mountain something further > away, > but not too far. However, I saw a post somewhere saying focus, such as > it is, is adjustable inside by screwing the lens in/out. Apparently > turning the lens is how the external near/far switch works. I haven't > tried that yet. > > Ah, it's true. I just opened it up. Yes, there is a trick. One may > indeed adjust the focus range. I got it to focus on this missive at > about 15". Wow, there is a lot of sharpening being applied, bright > halos > on text. Tomorrow in daylight, I'll see about setting distance focus. > > Moose > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 08:59:21 2008 Received: (qmail 9156 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 06:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 06:59:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38667C3105; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F921C2913 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:59:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1603055wah.17 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:59:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hBvylBsyX9r8452gbe+9gtfzBUwite3wglARfrmqxRA=; b=ogFQQxwuZrQJgXJePaUeTqderCcxV1K+DKLl6B6A5i4XwsIsXVCeKVq3Cqj8FW5EeK 0RlNZzXAA/fj2LVAeIpQ8Gaf5xOfE1gQrDoZUiozXIYEiLYPDPeMmqCt5AZRg8ImsBor qUYtQNgECxtX6AB/vQER7tohBnS0LBvO01LVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XclkHeNWGtudAGLMJ2rr+RQjwagFWyx51ND0fIJnv9zkHzt9szpDMvrxeKO1WoMK57 NviSRuKY9+czAOC5Kp5JIBkogHgdQPCsnXYQmC968/0xNVls7vUpk5CbLZ/xqkj+0HvC NSC0v3FSajKa5WsZu+u7g91FXKACJc00ta6x0= Received: by 10.114.183.20 with SMTP id g20mr15249417waf.77.1217919547383; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840808042359l5ae6e8a2s9ce8cb07fe73535b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:59:07 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Back to film! In-Reply-To: <0955AA25-83AF-43F3-9BBC-7C91BE3FE02A@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <0955AA25-83AF-43F3-9BBC-7C91BE3FE02A@people.net.au> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 762d85e8f2989c2f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 08:59:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4897fa4972642336821329 Wonderful find! 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( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm3573271wfc.6.2008.08.05.00.39.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:39:21 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 09:39:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489803be162378512572685 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080501microfourthirds.asp "Olympus / Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds Olympus and Panasonic have announced a new, mirrorless format / lens mount based on (and compatible with) Four Thirds. The Micro Four Thirds system uses the same sensor size (18 x 13.5 mm) but allows slimmer cameras by removing the mirror box and optical viewfinder. The new format has three key technical differences: (1) roughly half the flange back distance (distance from mount to the sensor), (2) a smaller diameter lens mount (6 mm smaller) and (3) two additional contact points for lens-to-body communication (now 11 points). Removing the mirror mechanism allows this shorter flange back distance, meaning lenses for the new mount can be considerably smaller than current Four Thirds designs. The format will require framing to be carried out using Live View on either the LCD monitor or an EVF. Existing Four Thirds lenses can be used on Micro Four Thirds cameras using an adapter. Neither company is as yet making product announcements (we expect some more news in this respect closer to Photokina) ..." [it continues, quite substantially] Discuss. (I had some immediate reaction to it, but they'd be based on insufficient knowledge and possibly, misunderstanding, and so I thought wise to let you lot have a go it and listen in instead) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 09:40:44 2008 Received: (qmail 3590 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 07:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:40:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A3FC348D; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FB8C30F3 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:40:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQH9f-0008Ez-09 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:40:28 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:40:15 +0100 Message-ID: <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj2pqfIMftirLvtQtuwQLz/Z6yUkQAJowSQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080804-0, 04/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 09:40:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489803fc279422070262475 I didn't know that Picasa could do that, and as you say, Moose, the price is good. Pics-to-exe http://www.wnsoft.com/apr/help.htm and Pictures Slideshow Maker http://www.pictures-soft.com/ are worth a look, but are not free (though there are trial versions which might do the job for you), and will both enable you to generate a standalone .exe file of your presentation. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: 05 August 2008 03:55 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Wayne Harridge wrote: > I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. > > I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. > > I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. > > Any suggestions ? > I suspect there are several solutions. I believe that Picassa will do the job described. I know it will do a random slide show and it will make a DVD movie from slides. Whether the two meet, I don't know. Hard to miss for the price - free. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 09:43:08 2008 Received: (qmail 19592 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 07:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:43:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784E4C368E; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:42:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:42:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5203AC35FA for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m758jfU8018774 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:45:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200808050845.m758jfU8018774@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:42:21 -0700 To: oly From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] A mini-digital M (!)? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 09:43:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898048c323091023412894 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080501microfourthirds.asp A micro 4/3rd with half of the flange to film distance, meaning no space for a mirror box. DPreview think this necessitates an EVF or LCD focusing, me think this could also mean RF focusing! The Olympus E420 is ridiculously small, now half the body depth, put a Leica RF unit on top... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 09:56:48 2008 Received: (qmail 3831 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 07:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:56:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80003C3DE0; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:56:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:56:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 648FFC3210 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:56:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27960 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 07:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.173.113) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:56:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> References: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:56:27 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 09:56:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489807bf68841591313764 First thing that occurs - potential rangefinder body. Won't happen tho' I s'pose. Damn. Andrew Fildes (Small is beautiful - if only I was...) afildes@people.net.au On 05/08/2008, at 5:39 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080501microfourthirds.asp > > "Olympus / Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds > > > Discuss. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 09:58:43 2008 Received: (qmail 12479 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 07:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:58:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F62C3C9F; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4243EC3BB9 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28329 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 07:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.173.113) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:57:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200808050845.m758jfU8018774@mail.imagecraft.com> References: <200808050845.m758jfU8018774@mail.imagecraft.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: A mini-digital M (!)? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:57:46 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 09:58:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48980833115341702588592 Still AF rather than MF though. Think Contax G. Too much to hope for. Sigh. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/08/2008, at 5:42 PM, Richard Man wrote: > A micro 4/3rd with half of the flange to film distance, meaning no > space for a mirror box. DPreview think this necessitates an EVF or > LCD focusing, me think this could also mean RF focusing! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 10:04:57 2008 Received: (qmail 3079 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 08:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 08:04:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E516EC3C61; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7CFC3DE9 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:04:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3363020wfd.5 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:04:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KMAv94wCXqWBVDPHREkWFOz9LBw9AX8bHbdibvduzVY=; b=WSump3xESjdiG1+PkNhN34AwsJY47uk3+q8VDZhSQzJ3G1ybN6vRiThtFKmWRXZDYZ zDC/m6zo0sYS7NC/43jG7T2mo/kq7XBI71yhREkJabkBn7fL3PBQouPn/LsBToGticy9 ViyU/+q+HOx3GgC6j11x6nxsolmAYe5+ikzv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dEtaoEG4sxXFUGT2NkOKPfXN+Sju/IfGM6p6m9cv3b4XxOO5ktDzI5O/3T0gjNLOXD bI3wSYkDrlNwDqzbM7oGMLZlZzr45aAqBeZTQfXLv6plutlIXPX0pv/JX/vhhkR1lWPO 1u7FseyyqU9mD+WInP1DylW4QgtcSP0Oua6ks= Received: by 10.142.154.20 with SMTP id b20mr5317481wfe.59.1217923470170; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm10062489wfa.10.2008.08.05.01.04.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4898098A.9010604@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:04:26 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" References: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 10:04:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489809a93683675314703 Andrew Fildes wrote: > First thing that occurs - potential rangefinder body. > Won't happen tho' I s'pose. A potential Leica rangefinder body? (That is, per their relationship with Panasonic) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 11:19:45 2008 Received: (qmail 13505 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 09:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 09:19:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A940C2947; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:19:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:19:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DBCC3437 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:19:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3401143wfd.5 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:19:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TBjXEkYIVAxcquZJb1rEjl3SLNALysAfY7cgSRDswc4=; b=MVcx/dh+7fQgVSwGUUeCpsbvdVH8FXRbwNa7emVvJLSTsXlIyNU0kPTppzV02UcQXA W3jhkJJpHCcBXZUv7Lu8d1SrdWwi5SwhIKeqBIpUuTH9uxHLRCVp/oQCS/j1JNDSkdFx 5D1tZmWmxo4WbcUeTTXLgr+EnzrEVsLbJN2K8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=W7+qjsYHdpZNdL3QZEJkgkds/vWU72kVu17ugBKZVdcqII53y3/7eX0fYbAVvBTSg6 y5iHsrUZ9gsnTysGaHLTjVM/6k5FiuINTSxn/cEiUGH+xx2pdKm6Xvu4uKfoeo7Fw8dJ nLEl0qMMGipTPv4yv1pt6thnx7VOigsL8rFfU= Received: by 10.142.180.19 with SMTP id c19mr1483658wff.263.1217927970470; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.192.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm11633505wfc.19.2008.08.05.02.19.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:19:24 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 11:19:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48981b31268814673671140 Piers Hemy wrote: > I didn't know that Picasa could do that, and as you say, Moose, the price is > good. > > Pics-to-exe http://www.wnsoft.com/apr/help.htm and Pictures Slideshow Maker > http://www.pictures-soft.com/ are worth a look, but are not free (though > there are trial versions which might do the job for you), and will both > enable you to generate a standalone .exe file of your presentation. > Stand alone .exe doesn't meet the spec., "I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it." Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 11:38:27 2008 Received: (qmail 24034 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 09:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 09:38:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE02AC3955; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:38:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:38:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE29C39E7 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQIzd-0003r3-6Q for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:38:13 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:38:01 +0100 Message-ID: <014f01c8f6de$f404ff80$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj23GUh3v65fC86SQ6EazUsb8q4PAAAg83g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080804-0, 04/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 11:38:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48981f9325851342116753 Oops! Moose 2 v Piers 0! But both products do permit DVD-burning - I jut phrased that carelessly. Moose 2 v Piers 1, perhaps? -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: 05 August 2008 10:19 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Piers Hemy wrote: > I didn't know that Picasa could do that, and as you say, Moose, the > price is good. > > Pics-to-exe http://www.wnsoft.com/apr/help.htm and Pictures Slideshow > Maker http://www.pictures-soft.com/ are worth a look, but are not free > (though there are trial versions which might do the job for you), and > will both enable you to generate a standalone .exe file of your presentation. > Stand alone .exe doesn't meet the spec., "I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it." Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 11:54:12 2008 Received: (qmail 27138 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 09:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 09:54:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327B4C311E; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:54:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:54:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB592C3226 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m759rg4V001452 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:53:56 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:53:37 +1000 Message-ID: <000c01c8f6e1$25902fa0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj2zm1ymQBCcm2+QquPgHi0dQ+0egAEoB4g In-Reply-To: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 11:54:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898234416241744846740 I'd like to know what the lens flange to sensor distance is, maybe it'll be small enough for a Leica M adapter. ...Wayne > > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080501microfourthirds.asp > > "Olympus / Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds > > Olympus and Panasonic have announced a new, mirrorless format / lens > mount based on (and compatible with) Four Thirds. The Micro > Four Thirds > system uses the same sensor size (18 x 13.5 mm) but allows slimmer > cameras by removing the mirror box and optical viewfinder. The new > format has three key technical differences: (1) roughly half > the flange > back distance (distance from mount to the sensor), (2) a smaller > diameter lens mount (6 mm smaller) and (3) two additional > contact points > for lens-to-body communication (now 11 points). Removing the mirror > mechanism allows this shorter flange back distance, meaning > lenses for > the new mount can be considerably smaller than current Four Thirds > designs. The format will require framing to be carried out using Live > View on either the LCD monitor or an EVF. Existing Four Thirds lenses > can be used on Micro Four Thirds cameras using an adapter. Neither > company is as yet making product announcements (we expect > some more news > in this respect closer to Photokina) ..." [it continues, quite > substantially] > > Discuss. > > (I had some immediate reaction to it, but they'd be based on > insufficient knowledge and possibly, misunderstanding, and so > I thought > wise to let you lot have a go it and listen in instead) > > Cheers, > Marc > Noosa Heads, Oz > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 11:56:02 2008 Received: (qmail 561 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 09:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 09:56:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDC9C3168; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E1EC2F2B for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1640404wah.17 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:55:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ONJFfc09VKocdqNZynKN6qamz5J+fr8uWzPUL5ox2hw=; b=MhQsCqy3xHqSziTqCTIBuKEdy0VxBoQkqC+D39amKeM7OkVphF+V9mufuy9hSZM3/7 uu3i8ZADGXz6Xanw/stiqlmlOYmOzkKUBq6A7Na5bBiGeDJk+ko/Fsso8zvHXhtHv5/k 7nj/3CZiJFrSKADX2QMrqZjK5856kEKpi36ss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pxFlbXOaU9OXBqAA9FL/AB5xWaHhq4MbdaYZFujyQLW02NS+N59sf7NyrcAiWZhXSH 8jWiZhU2Hp205dvzh0VA7JRN/StuRffubt7Rgp8FTOUzg9bIhYIUnfFiFmNvRZ5yLj+V dBq+YKtXNZ1arDd36bfavNcK5UGn7l6c1IWac= Received: by 10.115.107.5 with SMTP id j5mr15260441wam.193.1217930147533; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.192.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y11sm10161265pod.5.2008.08.05.02.55.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4898239E.6080206@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:55:42 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Funky little cameras [was Back to film!] References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <4897E59F.6080905@gmail.com> <2EE1A44B-0AE7-4165-B2D7-E5907A6A2B74@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2EE1A44B-0AE7-4165-B2D7-E5907A6A2B74@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 11:56:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489823b2146231234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The closest I've got to Holgaising an image is by playing silly buggers withg the lens on a decent body. Thus a Holga lens/cap on a 5D That's not working for me so far. > or a funky Kodak accessory tele lens on the front of a Zuiko 25mm (it just happened to be 43mm!) But that's sort of cheat I think. > Think of it as less a cheat; more like an alternative approach to non-traditional photograpy. ;-) > I'm hoping to happen upon something in the 2-3mp range with a truly woeful lens. By the time they got to that resolution, the name brands had good lenses. You might have to stick something in front of the lens. Even apparent junk like the 1.9 MP (yeah, I know what the chart says) Argus DC-3185 aren't bad enough without help. > ... Failing that I'll dumpster dive for old early didges and stick something on the front of those perhaps. > I do like the VistaQuest though - I may go look for one of those. > > Still made, or at least available new, last time I looked. > - it's better than the other keyring cams I've seen, But still "bad". It seemed to me the best mix of features, performance and price for the intended purpose.Take a look at some others with image samples. > like the L'Espion I saw today. Didn't buy that because it lacked charm. > Looks like another rebranding of the ubquitous mini keychain camera, AKA FunkyCam. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:01:03 2008 Received: (qmail 31263 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:01:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CA5C2831; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33358C394D for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so4045948rvb.29 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:59:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UlTFxJRVbgnjAIhku0rze+FQAt317sIJL+l+6sb25Nk=; b=UVBqkfb/2ACaCARbjCt5CzMJho/VQi1hRyhXYMj22E/ug3+9+SvFnOhs1BrSNH0HLZ lMcQaTmWyfoP6SHmGLI19y5FiVJvgHl/it8dZn5hNbiDxNwGFosPOG4cvqnEu5ZqE0x+ ThO/5wORtJXND86606W4T48XtVUrNZihgjr4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=olJHMYqD4fAWm4r/Tn3Pw+EveVdmo8f2oVu3HrPDpZ9s/1HUQbR7atYKYFP7UYfw34 ta9MF85adPgt7rmAvbMokzDiHU9llSGS9Wuqu/Ht+ttnlDdrdks6CyUSIMSwmbGFnDCq N0GoIPpbgaLsWAYnLLypEDWIgw/GS9vyKYzcM= Received: by 10.141.164.13 with SMTP id r13mr8096812rvo.53.1217930388275; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.192.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c20sm8658482rvf.1.2008.08.05.02.59.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4898248F.8000902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:59:43 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> <014f01c8f6de$f404ff80$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <014f01c8f6de$f404ff80$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:01:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489824de169081499373980 Piers Hemy wrote: > Oops! Moose 2 v Piers 0! > > But both products do permit DVD-burning - I jut phrased that carelessly. > Moose 2 v Piers 1, perhaps? > I wasn't keeping count, just trying to stay on task. One of the few flaws in the list is a tendency for the threads answering specific questions to wander off point and answer other questions. If it's a contest, I withdraw, concede, capitulate. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:05:37 2008 Received: (qmail 20337 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:05:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2279BC2985; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43860C2D98 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m75B8Cig021854; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200808051108.m75B8Cig021854@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:04:51 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" In-Reply-To: <000c01c8f6e1$25902fa0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> References: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> <000c01c8f6e1$25902fa0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:05:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489825f1182231257536491 It is :-) At 02:53 AM 8/5/2008, Wayne Harridge wrote: >I'd like to know what the lens flange to sensor distance is, maybe it'll be >small enough for a Leica M adapter. > >...Wayne // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:09:33 2008 Received: (qmail 18111 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:09:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB52C3037; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779DDC2F27 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:09:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQJTk-0001XE-6A for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:09:20 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> <014f01c8f6de$f404ff80$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <4898248F.8000902@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:09:08 +0100 Message-ID: <015601c8f6e3$4ccf9220$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4898248F.8000902@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj24ioi1A3GzkyFRTm9CrO9ScxQJwAAP12g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080804-0, 04/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:09:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489826dd310331342116753 No, don't do that, Moose, for then I won't be able to follow in your shadow. :-) -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: 05 August 2008 11:00 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software --snip If it's a contest, I withdraw, concede, capitulate. 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( [71.139.162.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c20sm8707673rvf.1.2008.08.05.03.32.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48982C22.50702@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:32:02 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> <014f01c8f6de$f404ff80$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <4898248F.8000902@gmail.com> <015601c8f6e3$4ccf9220$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <015601c8f6e3$4ccf9220$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:32:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48982c34240721838542571 Piers Hemy wrote: > No, don't do that, Moose, for then I won't be able to follow in your shadow. > Now don't go all Jungian on me. I've got enough in there already, thanks. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:35:36 2008 Received: (qmail 493 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:35:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819F9C32B9; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B096C2D11 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1285167nfi.19 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:35:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Hjs23xh+H7gx5LKiniTr/0RDV0uRTnp3c0Wsirudu/E=; b=tolbSrRhwPgceTC3qLvIdzKEbQQPdRWA+Zms6GlZhgULgOWi3cvVVMFUPYYnbQIn0x z8b+tXXZ3AuIygxVOIBDave0+2vC0c6DHF+iz6MQH2PdoEg/QbCVzjSUtwXIZKV6+Irq 84NwL7f9v/7ljxTimy1BELR1ZOD0+BKAH5Lew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=r8P3NGFsPR1dIgYX4vtouJStVaGBiuUsDJZemKoGs8NcRprLeN/7WSZBtLqBwbSYiF piC8/maiaN/9kmBqhD0gXC4RRk54dP//oENDhFyjwVeelHFSzRoyWZNcvL6xGNTJC5MZ aQKXz1nri/9fmR9vtRREDGT0hWPH+buvVXBqY= Received: by 10.210.122.5 with SMTP id u5mr862024ebc.24.1217932524016; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 03:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:35:23 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" In-Reply-To: <000c01c8f6e1$25902fa0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> <000c01c8f6e1$25902fa0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:35:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48982cf8151431993019900 It's 20mm. There is hope. Tom 2008/8/5 Wayne Harridge > > I'd like to know what the lens flange to sensor distance is, maybe it'll be > small enough for a Leica M adapter. > > ...Wayne > > > > > > > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080501microfourthirds.asp > > > > "Olympus / Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds > > > > Olympus and Panasonic have announced a new, mirrorless format / lens > > mount based on (and compatible with) Four Thirds. The Micro > > Four Thirds > > system uses the same sensor size (18 x 13.5 mm) but allows slimmer > > cameras by removing the mirror box and optical viewfinder. The new > > format has three key technical differences: (1) roughly half > > the flange > > back distance (distance from mount to the sensor), (2) a smaller > > diameter lens mount (6 mm smaller) and (3) two additional > > contact points > > for lens-to-body communication (now 11 points). Removing the mirror > > mechanism allows this shorter flange back distance, meaning > > lenses for > > the new mount can be considerably smaller than current Four Thirds > > designs. The format will require framing to be carried out using Live > > View on either the LCD monitor or an EVF. Existing Four Thirds lenses > > can be used on Micro Four Thirds cameras using an adapter. Neither > > company is as yet making product announcements (we expect > > some more news > > in this respect closer to Photokina) ..." [it continues, quite > > substantially] > > > > Discuss. > > > > (I had some immediate reaction to it, but they'd be based on > > insufficient knowledge and possibly, misunderstanding, and so > > I thought > > wise to let you lot have a go it and listen in instead) > > > > Cheers, > > Marc > > Noosa Heads, Oz > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:40:47 2008 Received: (qmail 3103 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:40:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179DFC343D; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E657C340E for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6843 invoked by uid 504); 5 Aug 2008 10:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Aug 2008 10:40:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:40:32 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:40:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48982e2f39451529615919 I recently visited with some folks who had been at a family gathering where I had taken lots of photos. I assumed that they probably had a PC of some sort so took along a data DVD containing two folders of JPEG images from the gathering. One contained small images suitable for the web, the other contained the original, full-size 13 MP images from the 5D. When I mentioned that I had a DVD with photos my host said, "Oh, good, let's play the DVD on the TV." I said it wasn't a DVD video, just still images and the TV and DVD player wouldn't know what to do with it. But the host insisted that we try it. Much to my surprise, the TV/DVD combo (a Hi-Def, 8 foot projection screen monster) began immediately to display a slide show. To everyone's dissatisfaction, the images looked kind of fuzzy and I finally realized that it had chosen the small size web images and was up-rezzing them to fit the HD screen. I then asked if it was possible to navigate around the disk to look for another folder. Sure enough it was quite possible and I discovered that the TV was also capable of down-rezzing the 13 MP images to fit the HD screen. I'm not sure what was providing all the logic for that but it was certainly not just a dumb TV. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Wayne Harridge wrote: >> I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. >> >> I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. >> >> I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. >> >> Any suggestions ? >> > I suspect there are several solutions. I believe that Picassa will do > the job described. I know it will do a random slide show and it will > make a DVD movie from slides. Whether the two meet, I don't know. > > Hard to miss for the price - free. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:42:21 2008 Received: (qmail 27307 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:42:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2761CC2CFF; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:42:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:42:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B439C3530 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:42:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28067 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 10:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.168.49) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:42:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4898239E.6080206@gmail.com> References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <4897E59F.6080905@gmail.com> <2EE1A44B-0AE7-4165-B2D7-E5907A6A2B74@people.net.au> <4898239E.6080206@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <0865E1CC-EC61-4679-8A27-593B8134C8F4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Funky little cameras [was Back to film!] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:42:01 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:42:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48982e8d299721585427447 The Sakar on GeekPub seems to bve getting Holgalike - http://www.thegeekpub.com/Portals/0/images/review_images/2007/ digital_concepts_sakar_24280/crates-sakar_24280.jpg Sharpish centre, horribly OOF and distorted withing half a radius of centre, vignetting - all that's missing is the light leaks! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:50:22 2008 Received: (qmail 27725 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:50:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA999C394D; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D30DC3437 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:50:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29784 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 10:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.168.49) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:50:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> <000c01c8f6e1$25902fa0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <8B0E571C-2F6A-4B4D-A1CA-F14F761C13BC@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:50:01 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:50:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898306e74622070262475 You can rest assured that whatever they have in mind, they tell us NOTHING. Until it suits them. Conversation between an Japanese Oly Aus. exec. and a young journalist, I witnessed, about the E-520 - "It's offered as a standard kit or as a Supertele kit with the 70-300mm." (Prices were nominated). "What's the price for the body alone?" Pause, whirring noise, "We're offering in kits." Puzzled..."But there must be people wanting to upgrade. Approximately what would it cost?" Frown...""At the moment, only prices on kits are available." "But..." At that point someone tapped him on the shoulder and caught his eye. The Oly rep. was getting very twitchy and we hadn't had the free lunch yet. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/08/2008, at 8:35 PM, Tom Fenwick wrote: > It's 20mm. There is hope. > Tom > > 2008/8/5 Wayne Harridge > >> >> I'd like to know what the lens flange to sensor distance is, maybe >> it'll be >> small enough for a Leica M adapter. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 12:52:13 2008 Received: (qmail 30485 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 10:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 10:52:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A456C38A7; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:52:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:52:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD93C2C81 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3449617wfd.5 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:51:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MnTcdVxXWyK15TBVaU6vi1fAQbvcXB3MA8QDmk2u/vk=; b=FewTiNWCvFaKnAQVymvnibufa15mWvtMlxqkVkRLj3MOqyruSySCI00SeqL2tvM2js zk6QBTheD7hVkbp4b05Cgkb3RX8AXfJzg87vP7pFee8ppeI8eGkTCAjj0GRBe/MaEzPE OtjyL2X3ip5S9ToVE/kwgHLQQt1175HAWTEK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mz8IN68xqzMRozfpn514ZB7AjPszv7lx2IW+469drfXs0B97rrG1psvBMUxdKQdc7v RTT6g7CrJ/QHiiCSyflgOL1scZAde04rMXqJoLZtmID7ym+kqFj/35mdpOA1u1U/cpsH /Zvm99c8fEoeSvATfYFMA35DtflN9IOj9/klA= Received: by 10.142.14.18 with SMTP id 18mr5378874wfn.129.1217933518343; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm7683113wfg.0.2008.08.05.03.51.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489830C8.7020103@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:51:52 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Funky little cameras [was Back to film!] References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <4897E59F.6080905@gmail.com> <2EE1A44B-0AE7-4165-B2D7-E5907A6A2B74@people.net.au> <4898239E.6080206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4898239E.6080206@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 12:52:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489830dd39921744846740 Moose wrote: > ... > But still "bad". It seemed to me the best mix of features, performance > and price for the intended purpose.Take a look at some others with image > samples. > ... Thanks, Moose. For IQ (or lack thereof, depending on your PoV, I guess), this one seems to be along Holga-like lines: Distortion, random colour cast, unexpected viewfinder results, with added benefit/"weakness" of confusion in the auto white balance. It's only 640x480, and has the SDRAM that disappears your pictures when the battery empties. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 13:13:37 2008 Received: (qmail 1397 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 11:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 11:13:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54376C3550; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:13:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:13:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F49C2AA8 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30475 invoked by uid 504); 5 Aug 2008 11:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Aug 2008 11:13:24 -0000 Message-ID: <489835D3.5030102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:13:23 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" References: <489803A9.9060600@gmail.com> <000c01c8f6e1$25902fa0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> <200808051108.m75B8Cig021854@mail.imagecraft.com> In-Reply-To: <200808051108.m75B8Cig021854@mail.imagecraft.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 13:13:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489835e1154201234514069 Leica M is close to 28mm. The micro 4/3 is 20mm. Plenty of room. Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > It is :-) > > At 02:53 AM 8/5/2008, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> I'd like to know what the lens flange to sensor distance is, maybe it'll be >> small enough for a Leica M adapter. >> >> ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 13:40:56 2008 Received: (qmail 11098 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 11:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 11:40:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38679C2CD2; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:40:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:40:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BEFC3174 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:40:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQKuB-0007rt-MT for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:40:43 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <489766B9.3080705@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:40:31 +0100 Message-ID: <018901c8f6f0$111f0a50$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <489766B9.3080705@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj2cRjtmP04POgzRGKUjgPu43Gr+AAfqjqA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080805-0, 05/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 13:40:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48983c48221662046811720 Thanks, that also reveals that Lightroom 2 is no longer a beta, but is released - of which I hadn't seen any announcement. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: 04 August 2008 21:30 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 13:50:29 2008 Received: (qmail 11692 invoked by uid 0); 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05 Aug 2008 07:55:30 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:50:13 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 Thread-Index: Acj2cRjtmP04POgzRGKUjgPu43Gr+AAfqjqAAABqZhA= In-Reply-To: <018901c8f6f0$111f0a50$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 13:50:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48983e85142345368819438 July 29: On 8/5/08 7:40 AM, "Piers Hemy" wrote: > Thanks, that also reveals that Lightroom 2 is no longer a beta, but is > released - of which I hadn't seen any announcement. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 14:04:00 2008 Received: (qmail 14134 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 12:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 12:04:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D60B2C3F7C; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555EDC404F for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:57:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m75Bv8b5022719 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:57:19 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:57:03 +1000 Message-ID: <000d01c8f6f2$63f07280$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj27E+0C9lAqebKQaKa/XipiQQs4QABdFUg In-Reply-To: <489835D3.5030102@chucknorcutt.com> Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 14:04:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489841b0300311257536491 > > Leica M is close to 28mm. The micro 4/3 is 20mm. Plenty of room. > Thanks Chuck, this really opens this up to be a "universal digital back" for just about any lens mount. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 15:02:23 2008 Received: (qmail 23489 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 13:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:02:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C586C46E9; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:02:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142DCC34A1 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.4.131] (r190-135-4-131.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m75D1wEM020389 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:02:00 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1592]); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:02:00 -0300 Message-ID: <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:01:59 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 15:02:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48984f5f155309117217770 Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > Nero Vision 5 > Make Slide Shoe, with too much options. Being myself quite a newbie in the PC world, and particularly in Nero, I should ask. Perhaps I've discovered something new _ ;) Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I recently visited with some folks who had been at a family gathering > where I had taken lots of photos. I assumed that they probably had a PC > of some sort so took along a data DVD containing two folders of JPEG > images from the gathering. One contained small images suitable for the > web, the other contained the original, full-size 13 MP images from the 5D. > > When I mentioned that I had a DVD with photos my host said, "Oh, good, > let's play the DVD on the TV." I said it wasn't a DVD video, just still > images and the TV and DVD player wouldn't know what to do with it. But > the host insisted that we try it. Much to my surprise, the TV/DVD combo > (a Hi-Def, 8 foot projection screen monster) began immediately to > display a slide show. To everyone's dissatisfaction, the images looked > kind of fuzzy and I finally realized that it had chosen the small size > web images and was up-rezzing them to fit the HD screen. I then asked > if it was possible to navigate around the disk to look for another > folder. Sure enough it was quite possible and I discovered that the TV > was also capable of down-rezzing the 13 MP images to fit the HD screen. > > I'm not sure what was providing all the logic for that but it was > certainly not just a dumb TV. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Moose wrote: > >> Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >>> I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. >>> >>> I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. >>> >>> I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. >>> >>> Any suggestions ? >>> >>> >> I suspect there are several solutions. I believe that Picassa will do >> the job described. I know it will do a random slide show and it will >> make a DVD movie from slides. Whether the two meet, I don't know. >> >> Hard to miss for the price - free. >> >> Moose >> No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 15:29:50 2008 Received: (qmail 1600 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C493C4AD5; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:29:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:29:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF1EC40B4 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27408 invoked by uid 504); 5 Aug 2008 13:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Aug 2008 13:29:13 -0000 Message-ID: <489855A9.2050100@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:29:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 15:29:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489855ce262761591313764 Looking at the version feature list comparison I don't see anything that looks like playback of still photos on DVD video. Only video formats and it's not clear if a computer is required for the play back. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. > Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > Nero > Vision 5 > Make Slide Shoe, with too much options. > > Being myself quite a newbie in the PC world, and particularly in Nero, I > should ask. Perhaps I've discovered something new _ ;) > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I recently visited with some folks who had been at a family gathering >> where I had taken lots of photos. I assumed that they probably had a PC >> of some sort so took along a data DVD containing two folders of JPEG >> images from the gathering. One contained small images suitable for the >> web, the other contained the original, full-size 13 MP images from the 5D. >> >> When I mentioned that I had a DVD with photos my host said, "Oh, good, >> let's play the DVD on the TV." I said it wasn't a DVD video, just still >> images and the TV and DVD player wouldn't know what to do with it. But >> the host insisted that we try it. Much to my surprise, the TV/DVD combo >> (a Hi-Def, 8 foot projection screen monster) began immediately to >> display a slide show. To everyone's dissatisfaction, the images looked >> kind of fuzzy and I finally realized that it had chosen the small size >> web images and was up-rezzing them to fit the HD screen. I then asked >> if it was possible to navigate around the disk to look for another >> folder. Sure enough it was quite possible and I discovered that the TV >> was also capable of down-rezzing the 13 MP images to fit the HD screen. >> >> I'm not sure what was providing all the logic for that but it was >> certainly not just a dumb TV. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Moose wrote: >> >>> Wayne Harridge wrote: >>> >>>> I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. >>>> >>>> I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. >>>> >>>> I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions ? >>>> >>>> >>> I suspect there are several solutions. I believe that Picassa will do >>> the job described. I know it will do a random slide show and it will >>> make a DVD movie from slides. Whether the two meet, I don't know. >>> >>> Hard to miss for the price - free. >>> >>> Moose >>> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 15:39:23 2008 Received: (qmail 11235 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 13:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:39:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E146CC2E02; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45765C4245 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1976 invoked by uid 504); 5 Aug 2008 13:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Aug 2008 13:39:09 -0000 Message-ID: <489857FD.8030201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:39:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" References: <000d01c8f6f2$63f07280$0601010a@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01c8f6f2$63f07280$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 15:39:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898580b275561591313764 I'm still looking for the electronic viewfinder with 1024x768 resolution. That would be as good as many computer screens and allow good focus evaluation without the glare problems of external LCD screens. It has to happen one of these days. It would be a perfect match for micro 4/3. I've always wanted to check out the Minolta A2 which (AFAIK) is the only camera that ever had a 640x480 screen. That alone would be a major improvement of the 320x240 screen in my A1. Too bad they had to up the resolution on the A2 to 8MP instead of leaving it at 5 as on the A1. Base ISO also had to drop to 80 from 100. Maybe there's a 4/3 camera in my future. :-) Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Leica M is close to 28mm. The micro 4/3 is 20mm. Plenty of room. >> > > Thanks Chuck, this really opens this up to be a "universal digital back" for > just about any lens mount. > > ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 15:59:36 2008 Received: (qmail 13765 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 13:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:59:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25594C3CC6; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:59:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:59:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E61E9C2B18 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 92331 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:59:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=YAfiyv8cm/tUM8Pn0e6+eU+Yxu1fCmWpV7uBH+LgYN9Ohr6bjkCwJYSkyNdCj3GElEPwKo0aTsYhCdH2cuOfFR1lbR0kc0BmaQ3t3eb04kq89lXzVMCxjEqVeKa8FI+aKlTTu3I92UpEg83QbNeXibuOupgZxbdDJOAKATD+JTM=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:59:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <489857FD.8030201@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <149663.15242.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 15:59:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48985cc8174311946193717 The illustration shows a four-thirds lens using a four-thirds to micro four-thirds adapter. What will the crop factor be? You'll be able to use the other adapters, i.e, M42, Leica, etc for four-thirds on a Micro four-thirds camera. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 16:14:49 2008 Received: (qmail 15514 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 14:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:14:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18213C4879; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:14:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:14:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB73BC326A for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:14:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQNJ5-0007Va-FL for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:14:35 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <489857FD.8030201@chucknorcutt.com> <149663.15242.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:14:22 +0100 Message-ID: <01bb01c8f705$8f6e5950$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <149663.15242.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj3A3uPnZr8M8URRjimX6wCnA2o9gAAcgiA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080805-0, 05/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 16:14:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48986059245691342116753 >From Marc's original post: "The Micro Four Thirds system uses the same sensor size (18 x 13.5 mm)". The crop factor will therefore be the same as for any other four-thirds lens. -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: 05 August 2008 14:59 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: DPReview "Olympus/Panasonic announce Micro Four Thirds" The illustration shows a four-thirds lens using a four-thirds to micro four-thirds adapter. What will the crop factor be? You'll be able to use the other adapters, i.e, M42, Leica, etc for four-thirds on a Micro four-thirds camera. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 16:15:54 2008 Received: (qmail 3306 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 14:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:15:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D4EC4752; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:15:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:15:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EFDC493E for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.4.131] (r190-135-4-131.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m75EFVrT025004 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:15:31 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1592]); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:15:33 -0300 Message-ID: <48986085.7030709@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:15:33 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489855A9.2050100@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489855A9.2050100@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 16:15:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898609a103237927319144 Thanks for that link, Chuck. Seems I'll have to read this one now _ :-( http://ftp6.nero.com/wmt/tutorial/upload/12/files/ENU-2012-Creating_a_slide_show.pdf :) Fernando (Trying to scan a Hibiscus right now... ) Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Looking at the version feature list comparison I don't see anything that > looks like playback of still photos on DVD video. Only video formats > and it's not clear if a computer is required for the play back. > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. >> Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > Nero >> Vision 5 > Make Slide Shoe, with too much options. >> >> Being myself quite a newbie in the PC world, and particularly in Nero, I >> should ask. Perhaps I've discovered something new _ ;) >> >> Fernando. >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> I recently visited with some folks who had been at a family gathering >>> where I had taken lots of photos. I assumed that they probably had a PC >>> of some sort so took along a data DVD containing two folders of JPEG >>> images from the gathering. One contained small images suitable for the >>> web, the other contained the original, full-size 13 MP images from the 5D. >>> >>> When I mentioned that I had a DVD with photos my host said, "Oh, good, >>> let's play the DVD on the TV." I said it wasn't a DVD video, just still >>> images and the TV and DVD player wouldn't know what to do with it. But >>> the host insisted that we try it. Much to my surprise, the TV/DVD combo >>> (a Hi-Def, 8 foot projection screen monster) began immediately to >>> display a slide show. To everyone's dissatisfaction, the images looked >>> kind of fuzzy and I finally realized that it had chosen the small size >>> web images and was up-rezzing them to fit the HD screen. I then asked >>> if it was possible to navigate around the disk to look for another >>> folder. Sure enough it was quite possible and I discovered that the TV >>> was also capable of down-rezzing the 13 MP images to fit the HD screen. >>> >>> I'm not sure what was providing all the logic for that but it was >>> certainly not just a dumb TV. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Moose wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Wayne Harridge wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I suspect there are several solutions. I believe that Picassa will do >>>> the job described. I know it will do a random slide show and it will >>>> make a DVD movie from slides. Whether the two meet, I don't know. >>>> >>>> Hard to miss for the price - free. >>>> >>>> Moose >>>> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 16:37:04 2008 Received: (qmail 16861 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 14:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:37:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C924C3BCF; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D754C3FA7 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:36:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9598 invoked by uid 504); 5 Aug 2008 14:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Aug 2008 14:36:50 -0000 Message-ID: <48986582.3020502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:36:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489855A9.2050100@chucknorcutt.com> <48986085.7030709@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48986085.7030709@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 16:37:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489865906371234514069 The pdf makes it clear that the images are stored in MPEG-2 video format. My computer knows about MPEG-2. What I don't know is if my DVD player connected to my home entertainment center knows anything about MPEG-2. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Thanks for that link, Chuck. > > Seems I'll have to read this one now _ :-( > > http://ftp6.nero.com/wmt/tutorial/upload/12/files/ENU-2012-Creating_a_slide_show.pdf > > :) > > Fernando > > (Trying to scan a Hibiscus right now... ) > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Looking at the version feature list comparison I don't see anything that >> looks like playback of still photos on DVD video. Only video formats >> and it's not clear if a computer is required for the play back. >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. >>> Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > Nero >>> Vision 5 > Make Slide Shoe, with too much options. >>> >>> Being myself quite a newbie in the PC world, and particularly in Nero, I >>> should ask. Perhaps I've discovered something new _ ;) >>> >>> Fernando. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 16:39:52 2008 Received: (qmail 16441 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 14:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:39:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3CBC4955; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679DDC3D55 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n24so1298251pyh.31 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:39:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=0MrXxb/MFpgD0cdEVcH/gU/vaNdbTBjCge1xcXasja0=; b=PKDxU6wa6z/4ISll4uyVzq3OQuCCouxxN3VB7x1V5gnNjMmobUjK1EiLfhSilwTj3X WRHEw20u+zqGiH2l5KOfj6zBMS809jieOS3Nlcr/JTjxpWQ5l/dV3/E8MF0U2Gtm9ff7 N2nVRJdF9y5BCGsr6upy5d1xoHiSbqNXP/c0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Os7LcSLqPd4UvKj+MhIjlf5qz3HRofhIujaR+wK2FoCSpFkIFNWeArvJI3V1V87nPk 75MQsdHC4KKSJ65S3HtnhoEhziTDl24ZLLHMp3sQYsXrX4m0fIwTgcww+BuRFDhgYvag WtFOmvHHyevv8vPcjfiVtSpvezLt8i1agLLqQ= Received: by 10.115.110.1 with SMTP id n1mr3087594wam.66.1217947177920; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840808050739i27fabc93j2602de9591f46a6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:39:37 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software In-Reply-To: <015601c8f6e3$4ccf9220$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> <014f01c8f6de$f404ff80$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <4898248F.8000902@gmail.com> <015601c8f6e3$4ccf9220$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 87ef710d23dfb350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 16:39:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48986638283351257536491 If you followed would you be recapitulating? Jez On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > No, don't do that, Moose, for then I won't be able to follow in your > shadow. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Moose > > If it's a contest, I withdraw, concede, capitulate. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 17:04:30 2008 Received: (qmail 25841 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 15:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:04:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA581C4F92; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6270AC5036 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQO5B-0005ny-4H for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:04:17 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <014801c8f6ce$811ce6f0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <48981B1C.7000102@gmail.com> <014f01c8f6de$f404ff80$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <4898248F.8000902@gmail.com> <015601c8f6e3$4ccf9220$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> <9f07ac840808050739i27fabc93j2602de9591f46a6b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:04:04 +0100 Message-ID: <01cf01c8f70c$80830ec0$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840808050739i27fabc93j2602de9591f46a6b@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj3CR1lIKOtO1VpQWiZCjMAYLUSYAAA0kMQ X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080805-0, 05/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 17:04:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48986bfe172037927319144 Hmm, could you take me through that again? -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: jez.cunningham@gmail.com [mailto:jez.cunningham@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jez Cunningham Sent: 05 August 2008 15:40 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software If you followed would you be recapitulating? Jez On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > > No, don't do that, Moose, for then I won't be able to follow in your > shadow. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Moose > > If it's a contest, I withdraw, concede, capitulate. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 17:18:59 2008 Received: (qmail 29634 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 15:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:18:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4307C5315; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02138C5438 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E25C9786 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:33:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <200808050845.m758jfU8018774@mail.imagecraft.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: A mini-digital M (!)? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:18:45 +0100 References: <200808050845.m758jfU8018774@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 17:18:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48986f6333671993019900 It sounds very attractive, in size terms at least. I just hope that they can make it look good as well. I am really not keen on the aesthetics of most compact Olympus digital cameras. Chris On 5 Aug 2008, at 08:42, Richard Man wrote: > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080501microfourthirds.asp > > A micro 4/3rd with half of the flange to film distance, meaning no > space for a mirror box. DPreview think this necessitates an EVF or > LCD focusing, me think this could also mean RF focusing! > > The Olympus E420 is ridiculously small, now half the body depth, put > a Leica RF unit on top... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 17:36:34 2008 Received: (qmail 1283 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 15:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:36:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAE3C2987; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5688C46D2 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.4.131] (r190-135-4-131.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.4.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m75FaGL5030397 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:36:17 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1592]); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:36:17 -0300 Message-ID: <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:36:17 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 17:36:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48987382124862070262475 Here is my Hibiscus, with a busy ant early in a still winter morning. They blossom at all seasons. Shall upload another one when I come back from the dentist. :-( http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2735031769/sizes/o/ Tripod mounted 135/4.5 @ 5.6, OM 2n, Provia 100F. Natural light. sRGB. As always, comments are welcome. Fernando. Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi, Chuck. > > Similar to hibiscus, it as known as Althea, or Rose of Sharon. We brought > them here from Mississippi years ago. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:54 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee > > > >> Nice job. Good fill flash exposure. Hibiscus? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >> >>> The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I >>> had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 17:54:01 2008 Received: (qmail 14530 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 15:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:54:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83622C4AED; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:53:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:53:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.153]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CFE8EC4F59 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20389 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 15:53:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=W45g0stHWBm0b/h1kBIooJajCZSR4DXCbjCsgfIsQrJnzTt2INQmlBsgnTdBVXc959Dd/rMiG+dK3YQQDTniowr9IVgrLWAj3HEMrT3fpLa9ff5yaPUcjwBb4yqFEWViAHOPISFixYzwxqizgBM7m+i4gR/Jc4IKUe+f1RHkBd0=; Received: from [199.46.199.230] by web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:53:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] [OT] Coldplay To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <32354.19635.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 17:54:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48987799240778512572685 If you got a ticket to see Coldplay, my advice is to put it up on that site and let idiots bid for it, coz the show isnt worth much.  I saw them last night in Boston and they were almost as bad as Radiohead...   They need to fire the sound engineer, coz we barely understood a word out of Chris' mouth, despite the fact that he put a lot of effort into speeking with American accent.   The lightning effects were tastefully done though...   Boris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 18:06:57 2008 Received: (qmail 8885 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6567CC6F6E; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494FFC340D for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:04:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10209 invoked by uid 504); 5 Aug 2008 16:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Aug 2008 16:03:32 -0000 Message-ID: <489879D4.6040608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:03:32 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 18:06:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48987aa1189831993019900 I like it but would prefer foreground in focus. Of course, that might have put the ant out of focus. I was going to try some image stacking on the Rose of Sharon blossoms for greater DOF but just haven't gotten a round tuit yet. Too busy working on that kitchen I mentioned to you. Still not done. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Here is my Hibiscus, with a busy ant early in a still winter morning. > They blossom at all seasons. Shall upload another one when I come back > from the dentist. :-( > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2735031769/sizes/o/ > > Tripod mounted 135/4.5 @ 5.6, OM 2n, Provia 100F. Natural light. sRGB. > > As always, comments are welcome. > > Fernando. > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Hi, Chuck. >> >> Similar to hibiscus, it as known as Althea, or Rose of Sharon. We brought >> them here from Mississippi years ago. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:54 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee >> >> >> >>> Nice job. Good fill flash exposure. Hibiscus? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> >>>> The flowers are blooming and the bees and butterflies are busy. I >>>> had to use fill flash to get some light on the bee itself. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Busy+Bee+362A.tif.html >>>> >>>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 5 23:12:27 2008 Received: (qmail 25198 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2008 21:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:12:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4764CC63C0; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:15:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A94C87A0 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:35:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3646993wfd.5 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:35:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xjnAB5DM8Tvsxq5DfX+unlY/WK6a494LanhTBG8A2dA=; b=iWipECbYYmK8Wt21OSVHBE53sMSLWleM3bmTCyD4z0Vx5XqVWIlz2g3l5HMtQ22yjd hsbDLzfnRcSBwZYS5spN9fyWA2IHdWq218TlqHlaETkoc9W0FE7cT2fmIofnirW6eHyP 38j9++TrMVKMVfQhmGctlroBCCXBcmhLAa9xw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uqzD47fdJtl5JVgyd6Sw46yU9G0CVi5AAFdRTNLfa5hIwI5xuKmb3O+E1qwGtV3SYn NZFdOMOSV/PNdVytlkJAbV0/hRhKgkWYmXNUaU8897Y0d/Zs33F+cdaUL8JBt7oWknJb dPZ6WykwJ/xUASIEBg0NJY3caKavdzJGNUnQQ= Received: by 10.142.229.4 with SMTP id b4mr5596350wfh.143.1217961327591; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.141.0.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm6144188wff.16.2008.08.05.11.35.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:35:22 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 5 23:12:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898c23b21621470116606 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Here is my Hibiscus, with a busy ant early in a still winter morning. > Can we do flies too? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 6 02:08:38 2008 Received: (qmail 16637 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2008 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 00:08:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DACC545D; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from asmtpout014.mac.com (asmtpout014.mac.com [17.148.16.89]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6970C4E81 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:23:10 +0200 (CEST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from [172.28.2.11] ([89.233.241.158]) by asmtp014.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K5500K3XFHYEM70@asmtp014.mac.com> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <4CDF7205-C8C0-403D-8959-F476581D7067@mac.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr, List From: Johan Malmstrom Subject: [OM] Any friends in Raleigh, NC? Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:22:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jmalmstrom@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 02:08:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898eb86222331342116753 Dear listees! Are there any of us in Raleigh? Or near by? I'm considering a work offering there, and I'm curious about the area and so on. Thanks, Johan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 6 02:14:30 2008 Received: (qmail 26281 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2008 00:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 00:14:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8659EC37E7; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36B5C7040 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.59.93] (r190-135-59-93.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.59.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m75MqS1I028223 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:52:28 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1592]); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:52:31 -0300 Message-ID: <4898D9AF.3010700@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:52:31 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 02:14:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898ece6411529615919 LOL, Moose. Now I will tell the truth. Some years ago, shortly after I had joined this list, you posted a small sequence of white tulips where a couple of ants seemed to be enjoying themselves. Those were done with the 135/4.5, I'm pretty sure. Less than four weeks ago I went into my small backyard to take a close look at the hibiscus blossoming in the middle of the winter. Watched that lonely ant for a moment during a cold and cloudy early morning, and recalled your tulips. Having half an hour for myself, decided to make my version of the memory I have of your photos. I was quite aware about the oof foreground, but could not place the tripod anywhere else and refused to manipulate the scene - cutting the leaves or anything. The 65 - 116 was fully extended and couldn't get closer, unless going back to fetch another tube and add extension ... at the expense of loosing that moment. So felt good and went ahead into breaking the rule of a disturbing oof foreground :) Now again, I read about your explorations into the fog/sun boundary. I'm more on the Boris side, mainly because the geography of my country doesn't help - in fact it's quite the opposite of California. But I do have *one* which tries to capture that elusive sight. IIRC, I made it during 2004 and was not intentionally pursuing to photograph that liminal space; rather I became aware of it when watching the developed Provia frame. If I have the time I will do my best to scan it properly and upload. I suspect it will not be an easy slide to scan, as the ant/hibiscus was. Fernando. Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> Here is my Hibiscus, with a busy ant early in a still winter morning. >> >> > Can we do flies too? > > > Moose > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 6 02:38:57 2008 Received: (qmail 16980 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2008 00:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 00:38:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5ECC7290; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 02:26:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:26:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE11CEBC2 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:54:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id t.d16.31dbde1a (37120) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-91004898e83724c; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:54:31 -0400 Received: from Webmail-mg15 (webmail-mg15.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.163]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA028-5bb94898e8301c8; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:54:24 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT: F31fd Replacement Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:54:25 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by Webmail-mg15.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.163) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:54:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC56DB95860D3-DF4-156D@Webmail-mg15.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 02:38:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898f2a165201744846740 Seems the G9 may be nearing the end of the production run---some have been told B&H is unable to get many more and no immediate?delivery from Amazon.? Suspect you could get one cheap when the G10 is announced (Photokina?) but they may not be available for a bit.? Perhaps they'll?make it go a tad wider and restore the articulated screen.?? ?I'd take a micro 4/3 with IS and compact zoom any day. May have to pry the G9 out of? Marnie's hands, but she always has me lug a spare OM body?for her on any trip. I might just save up for a G9 ... Cheers Chris ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 6 03:26:27 2008 Received: (qmail 29525 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2008 01:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 01:26:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A734CA44A; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 02:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E79C9397 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 02:17:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32064 invoked by uid 504); 6 Aug 2008 00:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Aug 2008 00:17:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4898ED8E.5050801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:17:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 03:26:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4898fdc3114083675314703 Nice sequence. The DOF leads me to suspect a P&S digital. Maybe one with an articulating screen? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> Here is my Hibiscus, with a busy ant early in a still winter morning. >> > Can we do flies too? > > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 6 06:19:21 2008 Received: (qmail 143 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2008 04:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 04:19:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C51C6C40; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 04:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:20:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88818C7FFD for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 02:54:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17967 invoked by uid 504); 6 Aug 2008 00:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Aug 2008 00:54:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4898F648.7020205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:54:32 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? References: <4CDF7205-C8C0-403D-8959-F476581D7067@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <4CDF7205-C8C0-403D-8959-F476581D7067@mac.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 06:19:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48992649157549117217770 I'm moderately familiar. I used to travel to IBM Raleigh years ago and spent pretty much a full summer working on a special project by commuting there and then back on the weekends via puddle jumper airlines. I have a good friend who lives in Cary which is a bedroom community just a bit west of Raleigh proper. I visited him there about a year ago so have been there recently. I hear rush hour traffic is awful these days though I suppose that depends strongly on precisely where you live and where you work. If your path to work includes driving on I-40 you may want to investigate alternatives. I think I-40 is congested around all North Carolina cities. I know I-40 congestion extends to the Greensboro/High Point area where my daughter lives. I rate North Carolina (generally) as a good place to live and work. The geography around Raleigh is gently rolling hills, oaks and pine trees growing in red clay soil, mild winters, hot and humid summers (A/C required). The mild winters mean good roads, not full of pot holes. Heavy winter snow can occur at times and drives everything into a standstill. No plows. Some parts of North Carolina are still the old south but Raleigh is very cosmopolitan. Good schools and other attractions. Good barbecue throughout the state but there are regional differences from east to west. Raleigh is near the dividing line between vinegar based sauce of the Tidewater area (eastern coastal plain) and the tomato based sauce of the Piedmont (central area). I've never encountered it but I'm told that mustard based sauce predominates in the Appalachian mountain areas to the west. "Slaw" will always be served on your pulled pork sandwiches unless you specify otherwise. And the iced tea is always sweet by default unless you specify otherwise as in "unsweet tea please". There are lots of nice places to see and visit from the beaches and tidal marshes of the "Outer Banks" to the "Biltmore mansion" in the more mountainous area of Ashville. There are lots of worse places to work. Not sure of the cost of living these days. Moderate I would guess in suburban Raleigh but much cheaper well outside the city. If you have some specific questions I can probably get my buddy in Cary to help out. Chuck Norcutt Johan Malmstrom wrote: > Dear listees! > Are there any of us in Raleigh? Or near by? I'm considering a work > offering there, and I'm curious about the area and so on. > > Thanks, > Johan > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 6 11:45:18 2008 Received: (qmail 22377 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2008 09:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 09:45:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A188DD22C1; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:01:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B50AFE5E5 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:23:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE717C9813 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:38:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8CAC56DB95860D3-DF4-156D@Webmail-mg15.sim.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: OT: F31fd Replacement Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:23:33 +0100 References: <8CAC56DB95860D3-DF4-156D@Webmail-mg15.sim.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 11:45:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489972ae296585368819438 There are certainly starting to be some deals, even in the UK. But you're right, the Micro Four Thirds setup is looking very attractive ... Chris On 6 Aug 2008, at 00:54, usher99@aol.com wrote: > > Seems the G9 may be nearing the end of the production run---some > have been told B&H is unable to get many more and no immediate? > delivery from Amazon.? Suspect you could get one cheap when the G10 > is announced (Photokina?) but they may not be available for a bit.? > Perhaps they'll?make it go a tad wider and restore the articulated > screen.?? ?I'd take a micro 4/3 with IS and compact zoom any day. > May have to pry the G9 out of? Marnie's hands, but she always has me > lug a spare OM body?for her on any trip. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 6 13:08:17 2008 Received: (qmail 18371 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2008 11:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 11:08:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79E2C86A2; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.imagecraft.com (h-68-167-178-144.snvacaid.covad.net [68.167.178.144]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FD9C4649 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nuwa.imagecraft.com ([192.168.100.53]) by mail.imagecraft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m769Guis040643 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 02:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard-lists@imagecraft.com) Message-Id: <200808060916.m769Guis040643@mail.imagecraft.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:13:32 -0700 To: oly From: Richard Man Subject: [OM] OO Camera off to Scott! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: richard-lists@imagecraft.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 13:08:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48998621125578512572685 It's very interesting to use the OM-1. The shape and build quality are excellent. Dare I say it - it looks even better than my OM4T. The shutter is incredibly loud, comparing the Leica M or the E-3. In this aspect, the OM4T wins. I only shot one roll of HP5. Since I am going to be mega-busy in the next few days, I will probably send it off to ww.dr5.com and have them processed it as B&W slide and see whether their claim of superior quality and scanability is true or not. Very interesting experiment! // richard (This email is for mailing lists. 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( [71.139.197.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm13868278wfa.8.2008.08.05.22.27.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48993647.40507@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:27:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> <4898D9AF.3010700@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4898D9AF.3010700@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 6 13:15:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489987bb166883675314703 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > LOL, Moose. Now I will tell the truth. Some years ago, shortly after I had joined this list, you posted a small sequence of white tulips where a couple of ants seemed to be enjoying themselves. Those were done with > the 135/4.5, I'm pretty sure. Good memory - to a point. I've never had white tulips, preferring gaudier ones The only white flower sequence I recall is gladiolas. We planted some lovely yellow glads a few years ago, most with a red throat . Maybe the second year, a white one or two appeared, then more in later years. I have no idea how they got there, or whether some yellow ones 'evolved'. I suspect this is the shot to which you refer . I was wandering around the garden, looking for shots, when I saw a ladybird beetle on a white gladiola and quickly took the shot. I immediately realized that I had not reset the EV comp. from the last use, and the shot was underexposed. I corrected the EV and went to reshoot. Lo and behold, not only was the first 'bug' there, but another one had landed. I ordered the images in the gallery differently than the order in which they were taken. I wanted to lead up to the best shots. I assure you there was no posing, arranging, etc. done by me, only by Nature. I freely admit to PS manipulation of LCE, curves, etc. It was an overcast day with very flat light, which is not what I made it seem at all. But no image elements were moved around or added. As to camera, well I did indeed post some 135/4.5 shots around that time, both with 65-116 tube and auto bellows. However, these shots are from the 1.9 MP Canon S110 P&S. As with the art shots I recently posted, I was seeing what was possible with a camera of modest specs. The other 'bugs' that I captured on flora I was photographing around that time were with the Kiron 105/2.8. > Less than four weeks ago I went into my small backyard to take a close look at the hibiscus blossoming in the > middle of the winter. Watched that lonely ant for a moment during a cold and cloudy early morning Well, it was morning, cool and cloudy, but not early. > , and recalled your tulips. Having half an hour for myself, decided to make my version of the memory I have of your photos. I was quite aware about the oof foreground, but could not place the tripod anywhere else and refused to manipulate the scene - cutting the leaves or anything. The 65 - 116 was fully extended and couldn't get closer, unless going back to fetch another tube and add extension ... at the expense of loosing that moment. So felt good and went ahead into breaking the rule of a disturbing oof foreground :) > As you know, I'm not much worried about rules like that. I often don't like oof foregrounds, as a matter of personal taste, but it depends on the shot. Here, it doesn't much matter to me. The image actually appeals to me more for its abstract quality of shape and color, in and out of focus than for the ant, which is, as you say, rather small. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 10:56:59 2008 Received: (qmail 12669 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 08:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postfix1-g20.free.fr) (212.27.60.42) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 08:56:58 -0000 Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC89290AED2 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49749E6FB6; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:14:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:14:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48789D40AA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:13:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.8.17] (r190-135-8-17.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.8.17]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m76DDK1j010798; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:13:21 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1595]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:13:24 -0300 Message-ID: <4899A374.1080308@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:13:24 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Moose Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> <4898D9AF.3010700@adinet.com.uy> <48993647.40507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48993647.40507@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 10:56:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ab8db38597927319144 I'm sending this both to Moose and to the list because a former email I had sent to the list twice is not coming back. Sorry for the inconvenience. ***************************** Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> > Good memory - to a point. I've never had white tulips, preferring > gaudier ones The only white flower sequence I recall is gladiolas. Thanks, but it doesn't seem to be exact - it's more like a reminiscence or like a twist in the recalling ... [snip] > > I suspect this is the shot to which you refer > . This one: http://galleries.moosemystic.net/Glads/pages/11-1059.htm But I was sure there were more than one of this kind, with the insects walking along the borders .... [snip] > The image actually appeals > to me more for its abstract quality of shape and color, in and out of > focus than for the ant, which is, as you say, rather small. > Indeed. - now that I look at it again I perceive a circle into the rectangle. :-) Anyway, I made another version adding a little of black to that fearless winter ant. And even put it a title: "Nude Ant (to Keith Jarrett)" ;-) Fernando. > Moose > No virus found in this outgoing message. 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( [71.141.1.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm10222862wff.3.2008.08.05.21.52.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48992E21.8020807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:52:49 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> <4898ED8E.5050801@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4898ED8E.5050801@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 10:57:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ab90155641234514069 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Nice sequence. The DOF leads me to suspect a P&S digital. Maybe one with an articulating screen? > LOL, but no. Taken in Nov., 2006, long before the A650 was available. Canon 5D, Tamron 90/2.8 Macro, ISO 200, 1/200, f16 Thanks for looking and commenting. Moose > Moose wrote: > >> Can we do flies too? >> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/MPhotos/Home/RoseFly.htm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 11:36:53 2008 Received: (qmail 29306 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 09:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 09:36:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D9E101946; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64458A4580 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:45:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQdhx-0004Ih-VN for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:45:22 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <4CDF7205-C8C0-403D-8959-F476581D7067@mac.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:45:07 +0100 Message-ID: <022701c8f798$58fdb210$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4CDF7205-C8C0-403D-8959-F476581D7067@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj3WJKsYjxfEQ4HRYOQco95B/qxAwAP7WJw X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080805-0, 05/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 11:36:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ac23591351257536491 Come on out, Dan, we know you are in there! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Johan Malmstrom Sent: 05 August 2008 23:23 To: olympus@ml.free.fr; List Subject: [OM] Any friends in Raleigh, NC? Dear listees! Are there any of us in Raleigh? Or near by? I'm considering a work offering there, and I'm curious about the area and so on. Thanks, Johan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 11:58:58 2008 Received: (qmail 4831 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 09:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postfix1-g20.free.fr) (212.27.60.42) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 09:58:57 -0000 Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1941C290C22C for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7614BCABB5; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC19100B75 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:07:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.59.93] (r190-135-59-93.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.59.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7647OVA012386 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:07:26 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1592]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:07:27 -0300 Message-ID: <4899237F.2090809@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:07:27 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor) was: Re: Almost on topic images References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48938599.90602@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 11:58:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ac762317923675314703 Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the harbor. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. As always, comments are welcome. Fernando. Moose wrote: > Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun > boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to > capture it. [snip] > I again explored this liminal space. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 13:30:28 2008 Received: (qmail 17241 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 11:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 11:30:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A8EF116F; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC6ECBA1D for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:57:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.125.20.44]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K560078EH838VL4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:57:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:57:51 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software In-reply-to: <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 13:30:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489adcd4326391234514069 These will play back on home dvd players. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. > Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > Nero > Vision 5 > Make Slide Shoe, with too much options. > > Being myself quite a newbie in the PC world, and particularly in Nero, I > should ask. Perhaps I've discovered something new _ ;) > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I recently visited with some folks who had been at a family gathering >> where I had taken lots of photos. I assumed that they probably had a PC >> of some sort so took along a data DVD containing two folders of JPEG >> images from the gathering. One contained small images suitable for the >> web, the other contained the original, full-size 13 MP images from the 5D. >> >> When I mentioned that I had a DVD with photos my host said, "Oh, good, >> let's play the DVD on the TV." I said it wasn't a DVD video, just still >> images and the TV and DVD player wouldn't know what to do with it. But >> the host insisted that we try it. Much to my surprise, the TV/DVD combo >> (a Hi-Def, 8 foot projection screen monster) began immediately to >> display a slide show. To everyone's dissatisfaction, the images looked >> kind of fuzzy and I finally realized that it had chosen the small size >> web images and was up-rezzing them to fit the HD screen. I then asked >> if it was possible to navigate around the disk to look for another >> folder. Sure enough it was quite possible and I discovered that the TV >> was also capable of down-rezzing the 13 MP images to fit the HD screen. >> >> I'm not sure what was providing all the logic for that but it was >> certainly not just a dumb TV. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Moose wrote: >> >>> Wayne Harridge wrote: >>> >>>> I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred images (shot on my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about how best to do it. >>>> >>>> I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then retaining the random order. >>>> >>>> I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not required to play it. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions ? >>>> >>>> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 15:22:02 2008 Received: (qmail 24857 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 13:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 13:22:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14084250C7; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:54:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:54:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8952ECA494 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:31:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KQmrS-0003lb-Ro for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:31:46 -0700 Message-ID: <18856058.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 15:22:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489af6fa152071993019900 yesterday late at night I sent this same text but seems it didn't came back, It's not in the server's spam folder, neither in my desktop spam folder. hope this goes through .... ************************ Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. I named this photo "It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor)". Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the harbor. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. As always, comments are welcome. Fernando. Moose wrote: > Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun boundary, > I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to capture it. [snip] > I again explored this liminal space. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/the-liminal-space-was%3A-Re%3A-Almost-on-topic-images-tp18856058p18856058.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 17:17:03 2008 Received: (qmail 4751 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 15:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 15:17:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F17FDD018; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2889ED0149 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:52:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01C.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m76DqLqY018953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:52:21 -0500 Received: from hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon03.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.37]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m76DqJ0k014788 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:52:21 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:52:19 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Wein Cell Experience Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:52:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Wein Cell Experience Thread-Index: Acj3y53QTP5A131bTcWb6D58F7jiHg== From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2008 13:52:19.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4DBA920:01C8F7CB] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808060036 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 17:17:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489b11ef237161591313764 Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long do they typically last once activated? TIA, Charlie ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 20:26:21 2008 Received: (qmail 20568 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 18:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 18:26:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEBD88298; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:55:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:55:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0C3D9F4A for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:18:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from BAY112-W46 ([64.4.26.146]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [75.139.221.19] From: james olson To: Subject: [OM] FS: Misc. Olympus E system cameras / lenses Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:18:48 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2008 15:18:48.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9A8B5D0:01C8F7D7] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: james_olson@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 20:26:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489b3e4d325831993019900 I have a decent collection of Olympus equipment for sale. All the equipment is going to show use, but no dents, dings or signs of abuse. Mainly signs of wear on the plastic lens hoods, and light scratches to the lens bodies where the hoods go on and off. As I am primarily a wedding photographer, I am switching systems, and have the following Olympus E items for sale: Olympus E1 body. loose rubber, signs of wear, but no abuse. 275 Olympus E1 body. new rubber, just refurbished through Olympus. Very clean. $300 Olympus SHLD-2 grip, battery, charger. For E1. $50 Olympus 11 - 22 lens, hood caps, case. Scratches where the hood goes on and off. $525 Olympus 50 / 2 macro, hood, caps. $325 Olympus 50 - 200 lens, caps, hood, case. Scratches on the plastic where the hood goes on off. $ 550 Olympus RM-1 wireless remote. $20 Olympus RM-CB1 corded remote. $30 Olympus E-500, 14 - 42 lens, hood, caps. $250 My preference would be either personal checks or paypal plus 1.5% for fees. I'll ship anywhere as well. Thanks, James. *********************************** James Olson 5295 Birch Street Astoria, OR. 97103 phone: (503) 325 - 4070 _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 7 23:11:34 2008 Received: (qmail 4226 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2008 21:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 21:11:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEC72649C; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427FCCEF84 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:41:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.8.17] (r190-135-8-17.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.8.17]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m76CfVOO009057 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:41:32 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1595]); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:41:35 -0300 Message-ID: <48999BFF.8030809@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:41:35 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48938599.90602@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 7 23:11:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489b6506288014673671140 yesterday late at night I sent this same text but seems it didn't came back, It's not in the server's spam folder, neither in my desktop spam folder. changed its title, hope it goes through .... ************************ Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. I named this photo "It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor)". Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the harbor. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. As always, comments are welcome. Fernando. Moose wrote: > Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun > boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to > capture it. [snip] > I again explored this liminal space. No virus found in this outgoing message. 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( [71.139.204.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g22sm2804059rvb.7.2008.08.06.13.49.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489A0E3A.4080500@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:48:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images] Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 8 00:53:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489b7cd711978512572685 Fernando is having problems with posts not coming through, so I am forwarding a couple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:23:16 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile Moose, sorry for the inconvenience but to my surprise my email are not coming back and certainly are not reaching the list. Would you mind forwarding this one, if you don't find it at your [OM] folder when you check your mail? TIA Fernando. *********************** Yesterday late at night I sent this same text but seems it didn't came back, It's not in the server's spam folder, neither in my desktop spam folder. changed its title, hope it goes through .... ************************ Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. I named this photo "It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor)". Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the harbor. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage noise filter. As always, comments are welcome. Fernando. Moose wrote: > Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun > boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to > capture it. [snip] > I again explored this liminal space. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 8 05:59:12 2008 Received: (qmail 23010 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2008 03:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:59:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE51ECD5D; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:41:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:41:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7B5C382E for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so3896764ika.1 for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:38:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=/BMRRMgGj+kyZMPcCRnAeggcjya/dM24I5McG1ocWJE=; b=JrEq7cSaE7m4wDs+KHh2WIWcJzWP8CYJsAVgVhcXA6dMF4OJaouxOWE67rtu7FJhjH 1DLchtEkE8x6Q8XYe5k4WWWXh+nXhWaaKmJXuCcOOxtaRun/79aW1ksx0CNomC9/w423 fWfOVPPd+sC9C2ON7s1CQ8bCRZzP8Ur38PQKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HldnyGhDtStAjWhDrwyIrTLyklH3FonXvLCchXZkWtkjsI3zkuEcHiCsvuWjl9fYSi Ok3fkFhlUts0eDeAXFaDTU7NAnQJKQif6Y+/7Pqh2bgXfChhjqudxYK3f7FPOfZIVNgm DiXR5L0fB0nwnCSMzRRI3cxWC9TrSqEuexk/s= Received: by 10.210.49.19 with SMTP id w19mr1828227ebw.167.1218011933253; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:38:53 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Skipwith Common MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 8 05:59:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489bc49021241499373980 Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 8 09:59:06 2008 Received: (qmail 32739 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2008 07:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 07:59:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAD8DAD2C; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:15:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:15:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id C64A9277B1 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:31:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16057 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 15:31:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=NUZYxMhmGhu3hZBFUjBqPqkz+AUK4Ga2aP7Y9K2x9fKI0/8Y6OJMZdnHRJg0dTLVDH9iqnU+8SL/YX5SHMBtHlRmPFV3MzbKug1ySd/36iPaWsyBLosMHvYby5R2vUnoBEP/6VNQDQ5jj13kbCn8Xfr2Wl9r/0+Q5fxdQ7aYIYE=; Received: from [130.203.236.154] by web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:31:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Walker Subject: [OM] FS: E-System Lenses, FL-36, and E-1 body. To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <799412.15861.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephenpwalker@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 8 09:59:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489bfcca310811529615919 Hello all, Sorry for the non-OM content, but I thought I would post this here before going to the trouble of loading it all on e-bay. I recently purchased a relatively large E-bay lot and i'm selling off the spares and extras. Although North American buyers make shipping the easiest, i'm happy to ship internationally to list members. Please contact me off list if you are interested. Olympus Digital Zuiko 14-54mm f2.8-3.5 Lens (includes cheap filter, original box and pouch) $325 Olympus Digital Zuiko 40-150mm f3.5-4.5 lens (includes box and cheap filter, lens cap is missing but glass is in excellent condition) $100 Olympus Digital Zuiko 35mm F3.5 Macro Lens (includes original box, I would keep this one if I didn't have the 50mm f2 already) $150 Olympus FL-36 Shoe Mount Flash (includes box but no pouch, Sigma bounce flash card, diffuser panel is broken) $100 And it pains me a little to list the E-1 because i've been having fun playing around with it (what a nice machine it is) but with the E-510 and E-330 I really have no "need" for it. Olympus E-1 Camera body with SHLD-2 Grip (including batteries and charger for both body and grip, original boxes, body cap, etc.) $450 The E-1 has approx 6000 exposures on the counter and is in very nice condition other than minor grip peeling by the play button. I think the prices are relatively firm, but feel free to tell me if you think i'm way out of line. Best Regards, Steve ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 8 11:23:49 2008 Received: (qmail 21972 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2008 09:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 09:23:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F255A6A68; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E498244CB for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:54:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so139826rvb.29 for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:54:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=q238rAQS465BZu5aIOMyrYl2EWzugIJEbR7Z72UI6j0=; b=qSuw0RykxBQZ1f56BYwF2CmHdxGsVWj1bTAj67TEfZpkGgMgzEfc0idcpEBAj9+OqH 8fIJDZANGdnQDJ9B1HCmHjXPGwWyKyqXHACq9+GzJ/1nVAeNlKAr6fDxZOWvjG2b2XT0 4bt+/4uDJNvshijMYWm90MiLlRI9IL1QE8ETg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YW8Qa1DcvSgX0/LqhPa9FsygkOwzrRwp8X2b+l4K54oTKgIlnsRIZ6b6fHT8rtw6hY IILPYyoINCun/mEKsFP2K12ktaE5j5bgXucXXmAZ1yyLpLkBimIuZgGxGeh1Sc9zRIze 8zXRJwi2rXvDx29+jBNA9OTemt7aOXI0lgwTA= Received: by 10.141.71.8 with SMTP id y8mr288819rvk.63.1218056085346; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.204.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g22sm3912933rvb.7.2008.08.06.13.54.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489A0F86.2050800@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:54:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 8 11:23:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489c10a528191869477228 Fernando is having problems with posts not coming through, so I am forwarding a couple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:13:24 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Moose I'm sending this both to Moose and to the list because a former email I had sent to the list twice is not coming back. Sorry for the inconvenience. ***************************** Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> > Good memory - to a point. I've never had white tulips, preferring > gaudier ones The only white flower sequence I recall is gladiolas. Thanks, but it doesn't seem to be exact - it's more like a reminiscence or like a twist in the recalling ... [snip] > > I suspect this is the shot to which you refer > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/Glads/pages/10-1053.htm This one: http://galleries.moosemystic.net/Glads/pages/11-1059.htm But I was sure there were more than one of this kind, with the insects walking along the borders .... [snip] > The image actually appeals > to me more for its abstract quality of shape and color, in and out of > focus than for the ant, which is, as you say, rather small. > Indeed. - now that I look at it again I perceive a circle into the rectangle. :-) Anyway, I made another version adding a little of black to that fearless winter ant. And even put it a title: "Nude Ant (to Keith Jarrett)" ;-) Fernando. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 01:40:49 2008 Received: (qmail 642 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2008 23:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 23:40:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FE710C7BF; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080F610BF01 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:47:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so261820tia.17 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Lx21hsgugP1Gi6bJXHJKxtoXTT8XtSLpbbtKHO/Bi18=; b=CxL9XHR0PWTPrG++MTOnE5TI4jzrtOg46K9x3Kk5M/axQBA7PkW3WRaC1rJigSpLqa bwL8A9DagGiCLJmYEgiXPBUg5LC4b9q6jYtWim02pjJY78pZ+g/ccM7173AnC4CTei5a mKq9SKhJv+EqLIr2OlAxG3u+jCWpm96YBDesw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=IpHCt9/TVHZdoDyqnCJm8SAMF8dBxQqu1MDt7fuQizlEguH4rLigG/BCuSzQhZpzOB gq3LmyBFOpKETU+eGNvEt6sjBYoLMW+0II42+tF83BSUmy02ywB44W7OHfz5RMPYvCBA f7Bp0ubyK0mIwEzNVSdHLOuIz8MpOybCVe7MI= Received: by 10.110.92.8 with SMTP id p8mr4079101tib.9.1218116833434; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.3.20 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:47:13 +0800 From: "khen lim" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software In-Reply-To: <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: castanet.xiosnetworks@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 01:40:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489cd981249477927319144 I'm a bit late joining this thread but I do have some input into this as well as questions to ask too. Firstly I have long been wanting to find something that would allow us at Zone-10 to create multimedia presentations of still images with an audio backing running through it. We have this idea of inviting registered users to offer their presentations to show online via our site. We're still in the development stages at the moment mainly because we need to find at least one possible solution that really works well, is cost effective and fairly straightforward to use. So far we've not been able to track one down with the exception of one of our members in Malaysia who suggested Canopus. Earlier this evening, I had a look at what he was able to do with it (Canopus) and I must say I was quite impressed. Our PC-based presentations were based on the use of MS PowerPoint. It's easy to use but it's a right royal pain in the anterior. It's very fickle minded when it comes to sourcing the audio track. I've had different people experiencing different things as far as this is concerned. I could never get it to source any audio file unless it is found in an audio CD and furthermore, PowerPoint doesn't seem to like MP3 also. But like I said, someone else might have a different experience from me but for me, it never worked. Furthermore, PowerPoint - or at least my version - doesn't render to DVD, which makes the whole exercise pointless. My sister uses Ulead. It's quite flexible but so far she has not been able to render it to DVD and we all suspect that this is more a question of processor firepower and/or available system memory to crunch through the whole process. It's easy to use but having seen what Canopus can do, I am beginning to believe that it is not as widely capable. Which then brings me to the next question - how much firepower does one need as far as a Windows XP-based PC to render a multimedia presentation on DVD? Or is it really all that better to use a Mac desktop? If anyone of you have different experiences or even have used or come across Canopus that you can share with me, I'd love to hear from you. I have reproduced this same topic at Zone-10's Discussion Forum - feel welcome to provide your answer here or there. Thanks for your time. K. 2008/8/6 John Hermanson > > These will play back on home dvd players. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > -- Khen Lim - Zone-10 LLC, Des Moines, Iowa, USA "To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards of people" - Emily Cox "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them" - Walt Disney ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 02:21:47 2008 Received: (qmail 15581 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 00:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 00:21:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FB6D95A5; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.149]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ECDC11790B for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:25:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26395 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 12:25:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BepWy3q0aCHQ/utso/RC58d36zoMQu41YgDdBR/AZal7H8Gy15WSTQxN9IJaxC/RfPEVD8q80HvcSJ8fqQgZG0l2fQqmPu/Oz37vqy/V6DSt2NFvPJxJAs61OuvhTX+PAvfJhXmQo4YBXSUIaOC6FiZFgFiYKhH7jimTgVCwcMw=; Received: from [199.46.198.230] by web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:25:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:25:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Any friends in Raleigh, NC? To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <293400.26355.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 02:21:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ce31b203251035110158 You are in luck, coz my sister moved recently there with her husband-to-be.   Give me your specific questions and I will have her answer them.   One piece of advice: You might want to visit the area during the summer to see if you like the humidity.  Do not take this warning lightly.   Boris     -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Johan Malmstrom Sent: 05 August 2008 23:23 To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx; List Subject: [OM] Any friends in Raleigh, NC? Dear listees! Are there any of us in Raleigh? Or near by? I'm considering a work offering there, and I'm curious about the area and so on. Thanks, Johan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 02:29:36 2008 Received: (qmail 24215 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 00:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 00:29:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28635EE665; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDDFA7AD for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:00:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip10.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080807180007.LRYN1599.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:00:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsJANTTmkhMQRcx/2dsb2JhbAAIgWGrPg Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279334193.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.65.23.49]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2008 13:57:43 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:00:06 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Wein Cell Experience Thread-Index: Acj3y53QTP5A131bTcWb6D58F7jiHgA686CB In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 02:29:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ce4f075641499373980 Ages ago, and all I can remember is that it lasted for at least six months of intermittent usage - beyond that I don't know. Michael On 8/6/08 9:52 AM, "Geilfuss Charles" wrote: > Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long > do they typically last once activated? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 02:32:40 2008 Received: (qmail 32553 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A269CBC53; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:04:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:04:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515AAEFE9 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so691362wfd.5 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:12:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WP57e3MlPht+m4EZgfYWeAyIMOM65LjJ6xK0WJATv6k=; b=oM7D+MPipPTFxe5YWIFWd9kuMFYslVYokPKt1ZWA/+mSrNa20EsYuFe3rN2i0mOqtK 6yA6oLISbaiXu3u8TOs1FIv2cVEOos44sob4pALhwyegRj7H0OjfcfgLIjIFm9QmOC5N Kf1h9LGHdmrnUT34xp8ArA6uMZDZ4P5kFTsSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IOTciM6iC7V9mQQbeqmr6TbgQLVpD7kMjLj54AVLMpvXVFha6+Ogfykzjk03uBwUmH QdWkAeYbEcIsMF9flPFKtG7JIXvjO8IuMgLxMKsMYw5HIfe+CTA3b8XMgSbrWVJ2IF29 h81ysrVc9hPVP9TehpG5ZB2U+7+QJ4mZlqI5Y= Received: by 10.142.47.13 with SMTP id u13mr619842wfu.170.1218139956896; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.165.187]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm147290wfg.0.2008.08.07.13.12.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489B572A.10200@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:12:26 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor) was: Re: Almost on topic images References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> <4899237F.2090809@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4899237F.2090809@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 02:32:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ce5a8262441591313764 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. > > Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the > harbor. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ > > Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. > > As always, comments are welcome. > Nice subject and composition. Could it really be that color? I've never seen such a color of cloud/fog. I would expect cloud seen from the direction of a low sun to be either neutral gray or slightly warm. Version B simply sets the open cloud area to neutral gray. Version A backs that off to retain a bit of blue in the water. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 02:55:33 2008 Received: (qmail 7261 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 00:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 00:55:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A3AB26; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:24:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:24:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A43D874DD for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:19:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15667 invoked by uid 504); 7 Aug 2008 14:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Aug 2008 14:19:29 -0000 Message-ID: <489B0470.7040903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:19:28 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images References: <18856058.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <18856058.post@talk.nabble.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 02:55:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ceb05194701702588592 I have seen it both times. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > yesterday late at night I sent this same text but seems it didn't came back, > It's not in the server's spam folder, neither in my desktop spam folder. > hope this goes through .... > > ************************ > Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a > telephoto. I named this photo "It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil > Taylor)". > > Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at > sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at > the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the > harbor. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ > > > Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto > mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. > > As always, comments are welcome. > > Fernando. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 03:03:43 2008 Received: (qmail 26469 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 01:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 01:03:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC19A3D4; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 02:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1806E1452B for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so1122062rvb.29 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:10:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=ilHOAD1LoXWxGaTLRjvf3JA15o+RxrkFoCPeQBPowqw=; b=t38l+nAn7sqQvuMqS05qCmsc7jnuIGRgBb4x50O/mov5XLvPz+JfaHsvTGkVD2hf6f 8svFzWVMUK7hzstqJRW7tT5SP+UhPOSm3kJh+cxYoRZFubKUCz44Or65NdpRQkL4VTJV SlzkJf5QCA+qAaEUSjVl1Tfmkx/CxHxVdP4wY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=vDxG4golFxjCYaU1yPyB8B+FYguEhh+ASl6GkrykQf9zzRMhQQC3vOg1xv2YXk79Tm 1UvG2YXvV/k0phd8BfHZ9yraBYxMbmukTIl4qu1uuIPF4aAmhqVnczyTJvxEwOseKpQP VxxZPAUTE5h6XozoAdZ4oX+E8r2M7dseVEb9s= Received: by 10.114.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr1717747waj.7.1218150631253; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m27sm618247pof.6.2008.08.07.16.10.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489B80E1.8060509@nowhere> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:10:25 +1000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Correcting myself before anyone else does (was: the liminal space) (OT) References: <489A0E3A.4080500@gmail.com> <489B8067.6000306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <489B8067.6000306@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Archive X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 03:03:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489cecef69651023412894 montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Nabble says their getting through... ^^^^^ That should be "they're", buggrit. I just missed the bloody "Cancel" button on the "Now sending" dialogue box too. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 03:11:46 2008 Received: (qmail 2317 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 01:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 01:11:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 439E021348; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:52:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1003C2295E for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:41:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m788fe1W030799 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:41:52 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:43:40 +1000 Message-ID: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj5CyAvEdooDPxcSIi1t0X0d5RXWgAJ5g8g Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 03:11:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ceed2111021234514069 > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common > pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > Nice ! I particularly like P7274976.jpg and P7274968.jpg ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 08:43:24 2008 Received: (qmail 11295 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 06:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 06:43:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71184C6E30; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 02:14:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:14:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.115]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FFE6115857 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30324 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 20:53:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=oBWGewTGFaVcFR/5iyOkjIzXmWAht2BdPZJrcoAQcz3LHyj4sBnfkrs0mKzirZPY7pbBXJ4EZdIPimyTAiQlHyCmeCwAFQ33p/ky6hVFUGdP6WZduk8i/AkOj5LCK0ViBgGu13YiABy8fMuqbbXL+6+/g4xnBGBUv5pR35SPyPw=; Received: from [76.21.138.45] by web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:53:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Beckrich Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <353861.29906.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rick_beckrich@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 08:43:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489d3c8c75229347015869 Before John H converted mine - about 2 months as I recall.   Remember reading that pulling the battery and covering the airholes would extend the life... but that sounds like a PITA. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Geilfuss Charles wrote: From: Geilfuss Charles Subject: [OM] Wein Cell Experience To: Olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:52 AM Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long do they typically last once activated? TIA, Charlie ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 12:31:36 2008 Received: (qmail 29595 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 10:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 10:31:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6E31BADF; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 05:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl (smtp-2.orange.nl [193.252.22.242]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655DB9B24 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:21:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6108.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 506E4700008D for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:21:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6108.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 064297000094 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:21:48 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080808082149257.064297000094@mwinf6108.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:21:43 +0200 Message-ID: <00ab01c8f92f$caccaed0$0d01a8c0@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 12:31:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489d7208300371023412894 Some very nice shots Tom. I could easily have been carried away with the circumstances. The reflections are great with the incredibly still waters and the deep blue sky. Wiliam > Tom Fenwick wrote: > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common > pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > > Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 19:12:33 2008 Received: (qmail 1722 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 17:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 17:12:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBE7F10AA; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:04:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:04:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097E72EF27 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:47:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id m795lMet004825 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:47:22 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:46:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 19:12:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489dd001228451234514069 Don't understand what exactly you needed (why DVD if to be shown on the web?). Anyway there are hundreds of Powerpoint to DVD or AVI/MPEG... available and some are free. I have not tried them myself but there are trial versions availble. Some examples from Google: http://www.effectmatrix.com/PowerPoint-Video-Converter/Free-PowerPoint-Video-Converter.htm#difference http://www.ppt-to-video.com/powerpoint-to-dvd-overview.html For audio track, are you worrying about royalty issue? You may try MIDI (search from the web), converting them to wave (MP3, WMA...) may have less royalty issue. Personally I only have experience to put images onto DVD, Pinnacle Studio were used, there are numbers of picture transitions to select from and adding sound track is very easy. Of course, the main purpose I purchase the Pinnacle Studio is for video editing. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "khen lim" > > I'm a bit late joining this thread but I do have some input into this as > well as questions to ask too. > > Firstly I have long been wanting to find something that would allow us at > Zone-10 to create multimedia presentations of still images with an audio > backing running through it. We have this idea of inviting registered users > to offer their presentations to show online via our site. We're still in > the > development stages at the moment mainly because we need to find at least > one > possible solution that really works well, is cost effective and fairly > straightforward to use. So far we've not been able to track one down with > the exception of one of our members in Malaysia who suggested Canopus. > Earlier this evening, I had a look at what he was able to do with it > (Canopus) and I must say I was quite impressed. > > Our PC-based presentations were based on the use of MS PowerPoint. It's > easy > to use but it's a right royal pain in the anterior. It's very fickle > minded > when it comes to sourcing the audio track. I've had different people > experiencing different things as far as this is concerned. I could never > get > it to source any audio file unless it is found in an audio CD and > furthermore, PowerPoint doesn't seem to like MP3 also. But like I said, > someone else might have a different experience from me but for me, it > never > worked. Furthermore, PowerPoint - or at least my version - doesn't render > to > DVD, which makes the whole exercise pointless. > > My sister uses Ulead. It's quite flexible but so far she has not been able > to render it to DVD and we all suspect that this is more a question of > processor firepower and/or available system memory to crunch through the > whole process. It's easy to use but having seen what Canopus can do, I am > beginning to believe that it is not as widely capable. > > Which then brings me to the next question - how much firepower does one > need > as far as a Windows XP-based PC to render a multimedia presentation on > DVD? > Or is it really all that better to use a Mac desktop? > > If anyone of you have different experiences or even have used or come > across > Canopus that you can share with me, I'd love to hear from you. I have > reproduced this same topic at Zone-10's Discussion Forum - feel welcome to > provide your answer here or there. > > Thanks for your time. > > > K. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 21:28:02 2008 Received: (qmail 7628 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 19:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 19:28:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4FC102295; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187652EF88 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:49493 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KRhIs-0006Ek-4Z (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:47:50 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <87C4F91125E64F448BBAD4A3D5DF198B@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:47:49 +0200 References: <452052.51289.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840808041047g46c98926ifa20122b41bd1b35@mail.gmail.com> <002f01c8f6da$db67b750$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <489766B9.3080705@gmail.com> <87C4F91125E64F448BBAD4A3D5DF198B@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 21:28:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489defc2266151946193717 You bet! I upgraded Lightroom to version 2 (which contains the same ACR innards) and immediate removed the SIlkypix trial version from my computer. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Aug 4, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > > Nathan will be glad to hear that! > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 3:29 PM > Subject: [OM] Adobe Camera Raw adds E-420, E-520 > > >> http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 21:38:10 2008 Received: (qmail 29609 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 19:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 19:38:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605A1D3DB2; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:57:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:57:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7008012803 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:27:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080809172711.GXE11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:27:11 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0HTA1a0023Hz7l802HTAsJ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:27:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c8fac3$43b744b0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:29:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 21:38:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489df222285691342116753 > For audio track, are you worrying about royalty issue? You may try MIDI > (search from the web), converting them to wave (MP3, WMA...) may have less > royalty issue. > The format shouldn't make any effect on royalties, as the final form will set them. There won't be any royalties on the dvd itself if you don't sell it, but there could be concerns on the part of the venue where shown. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 22:03:16 2008 Received: (qmail 12977 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 20:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 20:03:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FBCD5F8; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34693F4843 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 01:55:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so131257yxj.89 for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.40.3 with SMTP id s3mr4300698ybj.66.1218066931639; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from charliepc ( [64.20.23.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm4784577yxd.2.2008.08.06.16.55.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Charlie Geilfuss" To: Subject: [OM] Re: It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor) was: Re: Almost on topic images Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c8f81f$f29d2a40$6401a8c0@charliepc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <4899237F.2090809@adinet.com.uy> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj4C/WqNKasc2A/TxKJrUTGvLWvnAAE7+kg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cgeilfuss@homesc.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 22:03:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489df804309774673671140 A very nice image Fernando. I especially like the overall purple tone. Probably better described as haze rather than fog, but that is beside the point. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Fernando Gonzalez Gentile Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:07 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor) was: Re: Almost on topic images Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the harbor. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. As always, comments are welcome. Fernando. Moose wrote: > Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun > boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to > capture it. [snip] > I again explored this liminal space. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 06:03 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== No virus found in this incoming message. 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To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <547426.9306.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 22:08:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489df924288803675314703 Finally getting some messages coming through!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 22:56:08 2008 Received: (qmail 9863 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 20:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 20:56:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD09C73; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:45:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:45:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFC9F5987 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:09:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.32.50] (r190-135-32-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.32.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m77C8uo8030250 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:08:57 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.5.12/1597]); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:09:02 -0300 Message-ID: <489AE5DE.8040507@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:09:02 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 22:56:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e046838681234514069 Thanks John, I hoped so but never tried. I don't even know what is windows registry ... :) Fernando John Hermanson wrote: > These will play back on home dvd players. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. >> Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > Nero >> Vision 5 > Make Slide Show, with too much options. >> >> Being myself quite a newbie in the PC world, and particularly in Nero, I >> should ask. Perhaps I've discovered something new _ ;) >> >> Fernando. >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 07/08/2008 05:54 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 9 23:20:01 2008 Received: (qmail 26928 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 21:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 21:20:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CA426A15; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB32CCC9E for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:27:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KQmnH-0003cF-WA for olympus@ml.free.fr; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: <18855974.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee In-Reply-To: <48993647.40507@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> <4898D9AF.3010700@adinet.com.uy> <48993647.40507@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 9 23:20:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e0a0179911946193717 I'm sending this from Nabble Forum interface - not receiving my own mail back, not a filter issue of my server or my computer. ***************************** Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> > Good memory - to a point. I've never had white tulips, preferring gaudier > ones The only white flower sequence I recall is gladiolas. Thanks, but it doesn't seem to be exact - it's more like a reminiscence or like a twist in the recalling ... [snip] > > I suspect this is the shot to which you refer > . This one: http://galleries.moosemystic.net/Glads/pages/11-1059.htm But I was sure there were more than one of this kind, with the insects walking along the borders .... [snip] > The image actually appeals to me more for its abstract quality of shape > and color, in and out of focus than for the ant, which is, as you say, > rather small. > Indeed. - now that I look at it again I perceive a circle into the rectangle. :-) Anyway, I made another version adding a little of black to that fearless winter ant. And even put it a title: "Nude Ant (to Keith Jarrett)" ;-) Fernando. > Moose > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/IMG%3A-Busy-Bee-tp18803400p18855974.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 00:17:01 2008 Received: (qmail 21483 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 22:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 22:17:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A556FCA5DC; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:32:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:32:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3858C8AAA3 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:35:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.12.60] (r190-135-12-60.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.12.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m79HZY3m028028 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:35:34 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.6.0/1601]); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:35:44 -0300 Message-ID: <489DD570.6000804@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:35:44 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] test References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> In-Reply-To: <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 00:17:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e175d1182046811720 x No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 00:19:35 2008 Received: (qmail 27542 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 22:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 22:19:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54EBE952; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:38:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:38:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9C26CD0 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:33:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080807163343H020018q2be>; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:33:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Subject: [OM] IMG: Garden Spider Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:33:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 00:19:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e17f7282921591313764 I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it would have been useless. Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. 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( [71.139.165.187]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm300203wfd.7.2008.08.07.13.24.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489B5A12.1000708@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:24:50 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 01:35:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e29de180222070262475 Geilfuss Charles wrote: > Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long do they typically last once activated? > Piers posted this in 2004: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found an old email from Bob Shell regarding Zinc-Air and Wein cells (of which he is the co-inventor), which may be of interest. The relevant extract: "The Weincell is a compromise. It works just like mercury cells, but has a much shorter life. We modified the electrolyte to match the discharge curve of mercury cells and made the air holes smaller to lengthen life, so they do work better than generic zinc air cells. They last much longer in humid climates. What kills them is evaporation of water from the gel electrolyte inside, so keeping them moderately humid is essential for long life. " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So it appears that life depends partly on humidity. Wayne C. posted this in 2002: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I use the hearing aid batteries which are also 1.4 volt. They are a lot cheaper than the wein cells, and are available everywhere. I plan it so to take the air seal off a few days before I start using the OM1, and hope that has allowed the voltage to drop to somewhere around 1.35v. My 'scientific' tests have been to check a reading against my other OM's using the same lens and same composition. I've tried it against gray card, incadescent lamp bulb centered in the viewfinder, outdoor scenes, etc, and I've never gotten a reading more than 1/2 stop different from my other OM's. I can't get consistent readings any more accurate than that anyways. Most scenes will change 1/2 stop anyways with very small composition changes any when metering center weighted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neither directly addresses expected life, but might be of interest. Have you considered the MR9 adapter? More expensive initially, but a single 386 cell should last ages in an OM-1(n). One less thing to keep track of. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 01:39:22 2008 Received: (qmail 18497 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 23:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 23:39:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB779D9957; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:17:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:17:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54F2C3FBD for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:26:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so1291858fka.1 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:26:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=/UGzh/d/VjiCcEpvf7Pce/P6OmaDH/3OvahEWhu6xwQ=; b=s0/lL2NcjQvq/aRT4aeGeyM02ZcG/65nYNPAXZxhIXgiRwJovZLtI9KOpaxBzOsff3 RlvhzKsKKMjavoLVaZoYCriHnFV8jfGRWGCwsjOqnav22bSh2eZ0wQQaBVi6NiK0IQlq WzV+aKOT+TgILiQkSkHJlL6rinEpNEiYiWsic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XDgS9kQLDToCNhk2dJhji8Kxd3RN79N66CcwObamJ9xCJxLT62SO95tIFMqTxPlWpz FQJKXvGn7haFjYYMZASJPbT11N/ze04Btxq5Apf2+ZGM30n4Ti5gvT8cJJO632vccy9z XjaLSe2RbhTvzDAVIZP5rkmUn0LJtCIp5jnf0= Received: by 10.181.12.17 with SMTP id p17mr2848551bki.95.1218309652653; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.125.146.11 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:20:52 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 01:39:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e2aaa149957927319144 First time to take night shots with my "new" TLR & my new exposure meter --- Sekonic L308S, compact & very nice, pretty helpful. Much enjoy to watch 6x6 slide film directly for night scene, 135 too small to be watched directly except with projector. Please click the centre of pictures to enlarge pictures to 800 x 800 pixels. http://www.michaelphotography.net/Central_Night_Scene_120/index.html A funny in picture RolleiflexT0038, one was the highest building in HK --- Jardine House (Circle windows one), one is the highest building in HK now --- IFC 2. --- Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 01:45:57 2008 Received: (qmail 1943 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 23:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 23:45:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0E3ED628; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:32:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:32:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976CF1426E for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:04:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c7c.324f8854 (37547) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB028-92ab489b7f77149; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:04:23 -0400 Received: from FWM-M29 (fwm-m29.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.231]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA017-5c49489b7f72241; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:04:18 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Wein Cell Experience Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:04:18 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:04:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC6F90E445F6A-1048-2DF@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 01:45:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e2c35162631993019900 My impression is they don't last very long once exposed to air, but certainly are convenient if not overpriced. You could buy a boatlaod of hearing aid batteries and use a #9 O ring (see links within the link below below) or get the MR-9 adapter from John. I think his CLA may include the schotkey diode in the meter circuit that is essentially the same as the adapter. There may be a very small metering error with it that is probably not worth worrying about---John will know. I recall Tim designed a small circuit that restored spot on metering, but I'm not sure if it gets into may cams--fun project though. Mike (hope this gets thorugh --a post last night was lost in the ethers and the archives were also unavailabe) http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2007-09/msg00646.html Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long do they typically last once activated? TIA, Charlie ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 01:46:52 2008 Received: (qmail 11741 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2008 23:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 23:46:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5BC16860; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6B11157AF for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:04:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so338679tia.17 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:04:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EwZ76DXS/nCtrpmaSpy1XNE6Uhqz2SKk9SSiKOdI2TA=; b=CGug5eryPlPsTOcvKY1dzqNvljrfWBBfWuL6S5lxDUqUwCnTQ//iw5kR9xSXjTHBsQ dL4InOrZxNv0l90W1l+CfrCZUDogaZkgyzOqjDtncAYr/FJd7Zpi1i+762jUtqkEfyg7 D2tSIimeXUxRUM6zeiWuEYzlU1QlBQw+8PK1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ezsk207fGyTLvzime8pTCICkcV554pPEflyhxAgpflf+6agTNZGnCqud8farLlm8I2 KKGgBG1WJTctLOc4Awsk+31x+r7Imhkc0dY2JBa6ITBQ4MxOcHhQYKGd6GGobkkgUPpj 2DkhCIaiTZQyhOxubNjiLAjaXDbSLWLW7XwZk= Received: by 10.110.5.18 with SMTP id 18mr1675324tie.43.1218150272620; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm815113tif.7.2008.08.07.16.04.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489B7F78.7040509@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:04:24 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] Re: the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> <48999BFF.8030809@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48999BFF.8030809@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 01:46:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e2c6c222277927319144 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > yesterday late at night I sent this same text but seems it didn't > came back, It's not in the server's spam folder, neither in my > desktop spam folder. > > changed its title, hope it goes through .... G'day Fernando, I definitely got it the first time you sent it, "yesterday late at night". > Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries > using a > telephoto. I named this photo "It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor)". Made me look. I just googled "Cecil Taylor" and "...Brewing Luminous", because I love the phrase. I can't say I've had much to do with "free jazz", but Wikipedia tells me he is also an "accomplished poet", so I might have to check that out. > Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) > at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de > Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about > to disappear into the harbor. > > The ship is rendered very "painterly" by the sun, humidity and distance. I'm not sure I like the centre-positioning left-to-right much. I see a square crop, with the ship to the left, full height of the frame, and making sure that chimney(?) near the horizon on the right is included. The small wave at the bottom balanced with the "wave" of cloud barely seen at the top. I like the way the exhaust of the ship, again barely seen, merges with the fog band and the even more faint hills behind on the horizon. Also, like Moose's photo, this triggers memory for me. It reminds me of the big ships coming into Newcastle harbour river entrance, down where Mum lives. On the spit of land that is Stockton, you can sometimes hear their big screws turning, sound thudding away through the ground beneath. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 02:22:51 2008 Received: (qmail 9477 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 00:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 00:22:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C666DC849A; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:11:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:11:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A395DF0A59 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:46:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d0a.2f6ddd94 (37056) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB042-90c0489e104571; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:46:45 -0400 Received: from webmail-de03 (webmail-de03.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.24]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c47489e1042331; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:46:42 -0400 References: <8CAC6F90E445F6A-1048-2DF@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC6FFB6D43F0F-CDC-2FDA@webmail-mf04.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC7A6BA40DEEC-D0C-1D01@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fwd: Wein Cell Experience Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:46:43 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 In-Reply-To: <8CAC7A6BA40DEEC-D0C-1D01@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.24) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:46:43 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC8808C1BAE6E-A70-209F@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 02:22:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e34db63791823421471 List seems to have recovered some.? We'll try again. -----Original Message-----? From: usher99@aol.com? To: olympus@ml.free.fr? Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 7:04 pm? Subject: Wein Cell Experience? ? My impression is they don't last very long once exposed to air, but certainly are convenient if not overpriced. You could buy a boatlaod of hearing aid batteries and use a #9 O ring (see links within the link below below) or get the MR-9 adapter from John. http://www.zuiko.com/index_016.htm I think his CLA may include the schotkey diode in the meter circuit that is essentially the same as the adapter, but nothing then to lose. There may be a very small metering error with it that is probably not worth worrying about except maybe in some critical slide? shots---John will know. I recall Tim designed a small circuit that restored spot on metering, but I'm not sure if it gets into many cams--fun project though.?? Mike?? (hope this gets thorugh --a post last night was lost in the ethers and the archives were also unavailabe)?? ?? http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2007-09/msg00646.html?? ?? ?? ? Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long?? do they typically last once activated??? ?? ?? TIA,?? ?? Charlie?? ?? ? It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make the grade on AOL Shopping. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 02:29:49 2008 Received: (qmail 1801 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 00:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 00:29:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CCEEB0A1; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:21:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:21:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D83DD5A for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so368950uge.11 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bmsXrTnWOk8E0Z9cpQYiXVVoRhY92kVsCRXLpxgF3hA=; b=glwQHjWkVvDIIbtaalKIYTDnMxM2x9Q3HpMWoVBq/X7nuCbPN3zwO920WPeAjPyOfU 2vl/W9L2YHlq5o0HFzPy1uO6DbwbRs5KSd6ZMt99X7TKgMEGEY8gnNxcE18UeL4IH8Nv TEy7CMdxKvoG2/+j2yk5PAiP1dVLsM1v82L7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oR8MYymCjUTFzhrDR7VYu7cy/ZEqFrNienjrNo8x6hk9/R+64EThwEl6//k1ZgQjvY 395MpO0l+/WIBwYIF6NOJ1y7dm9fHZ7vEXiXrjGlQf5RbuyfYN3KFhDASFQN795LtnpJ StZpVSr52bS+sfEahGNoF2t+1cfXYcXEJBTFs= Received: by 10.210.65.2 with SMTP id n2mr4414480eba.145.1218138093820; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.86.5 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <86d5d0470808071241l4ed2847fxb02acd2a463fd876@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:41:33 -0500 From: "Komtanoo Pinpimai" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS: Misc. Olympus E system cameras / lenses In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: romerun@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 02:29:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e367d175221470116606 > Olympus E-500, 14 - 42 lens, hood, caps. $250 Wow ! On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:18 AM, james olson wrote: > > > I have a decent collection of Olympus equipment for sale. All the > equipment is going to show use, but no dents, dings or signs of abuse. > Mainly signs of wear on the plastic lens hoods, and light scratches to the > lens bodies where the hoods go on and off. As I am primarily a wedding > photographer, I am switching systems, and have the following Olympus E items > for sale: > > > Olympus E1 body. loose rubber, signs of wear, but no abuse. 275 > > Olympus E1 body. new rubber, just refurbished through Olympus. Very > clean. $300 > > Olympus SHLD-2 grip, battery, charger. For E1. $50 > > Olympus 11 - 22 lens, hood caps, case. Scratches where the hood goes on > and off. $525 > > Olympus 50 / 2 macro, hood, caps. $325 > > Olympus 50 - 200 lens, caps, hood, case. Scratches on the plastic where the > hood goes on off. $ 550 > > Olympus RM-1 wireless remote. $20 > > Olympus RM-CB1 corded remote. $30 > > Olympus E-500, 14 - 42 lens, hood, caps. $250 > > My preference would be either personal checks or paypal plus 1.5% for fees. > I'll ship anywhere as well. > > > > Thanks, James. > > > > *********************************** > > > > James Olson > > 5295 Birch Street > > Astoria, OR. 97103 > > phone: (503) 325 - 4070 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Got Game? 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A bit of scrub with a complicated history! http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 03:49:53 2008 Received: (qmail 12474 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC734D843D; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889811168EB for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d11so60267and.115 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:42:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=S8AVd5uzANbMOCEkN0BJ6grBXX4dIJ4vbTExJplan6Q=; b=xlMR6pcE0pC5qFbcAlyAwrnF00cFy9xhBEYBco0FnwVEEXxiOz8zCGx53PaBajNNzK MN0D0i2x8SC7uZu00g14esvFvok9JqwHHsJwC3H2ce7K2HXruhnXZAatogEdNtp+lxIR B76XhN3UgrtAarB2pZK3JLSde5zbi6n9ufpPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :x-mimeole:thread-index; b=GiC8c9XwzTIZkru2rbwUMwhUU8+GigM8+TZiSKiUByhwEu2mGOvLeCsmnnx2hKmDms YYEmwAroO/zz2wMXgu2eepTGFQ198P83guOGvOUjg1RftxcagwZKY2BdiM45zyl75Ysw sb9ppJEubUEa4DUL/99N0LVFC35nlB52MMEz4= Received: by 10.100.112.9 with SMTP id k9mr1925049anc.151.1218109330828; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 ( [216.174.58.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h36sm5721859wxd.17.2008.08.07.04.42.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: References: <4CDF7205-C8C0-403D-8959-F476581D7067@mac.com> <022701c8f798$58fdb210$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? 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I've been pretty busy myself starting up a new job doing the three things I already do but with a salary rather than per job pay. It combines a bit of photography, audio & video with a bit of theatre production and warranty repair work on tablet PC's. Anyway thanks for the nudge. Dan S. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Piers Hemy Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? Come on out, Dan, we know you are in there! -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Johan Malmstrom Subject: [OM] Any friends in Raleigh, NC? Dear listees! Are there any of us in Raleigh? Or near by? I'm considering a work offering there, and I'm curious about the area and so on. Thanks, Johan ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 04:20:40 2008 Received: (qmail 18521 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 02:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 02:20:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37EFE92F8; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:14:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:14:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.147]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 92BC2E47CD for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:34:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23272 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 12:27:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kFFhFWQBs4hjLbTXqZgURE0oloWSA25CHS+PNcuNaqA4RbT9SBHLpwO7WzJ5VmLEw8G71OwVraXssKrEUVfqEncdS5PxBvEzWLu2FSCEPyxSRD2hRzlwjoWZert/sz7Y01hitSNxv4bSHQLKEIJIrHkdNZjyAKZM8ue/48ES6Ic=; Received: from [199.46.154.96] by web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:27:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 05:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <130891.23253.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 04:20:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e5078240837927319144 Johan,   You are in luck, coz my sister recently moved to the area.   Send me your specific questions, describe what you are looking for and I will have her find some answers for you.   Word of caution:  Even if you like everything we tell you about the place, you might want to visit during the summer to see if you can handle the heat and humidity.    Boris   ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 04:20:45 2008 Received: (qmail 18409 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 02:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 02:20:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E82D1361; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95105A4460 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:55:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2397240rvb.29 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.106.7 with SMTP id i7mr2557020wam.131.1218291599789; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840808090719k12d6dbc0tc344d33228c8a17a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:19:59 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience In-Reply-To: <353861.29906.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <353861.29906.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 35013c707ba5cf56 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 04:20:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e507d269031946193717 Pain in the airhole? On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Rick Beckrich wrote: > Remember reading that pulling the battery and covering the > airholes would extend the life... but that sounds like a PITA. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 04:27:09 2008 Received: (qmail 22686 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 02:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 02:27:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E405CEAB16; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:15:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:15:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A2D87786 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:24:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12398 invoked by uid 504); 9 Aug 2008 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Aug 2008 01:24:50 -0000 Message-ID: <489CF1E2.40904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:24:50 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 04:27:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e51fd77898512572685 Not much to help you here except that several years ago my photo mentor was experimenting with video presentations from stills and audio with some software that mimicked the "Ken Burns effect". It did a nice job without too much work. I don't recall the name but have sent him an inquiry. In the meantime I found this: Being of a suspicious nature when it comes to Microsoft and Windows I'm wondering if some of your problems with not being able to record to a DVD may have more to do with Microsoft's take on intellectual property rights management than technical limitations of computing engine horsepower. I would be triply suspicious of that if you're using Vista. Chuck Norcutt khen lim wrote: > I'm a bit late joining this thread but I do have some input into this as > well as questions to ask too. > > Firstly I have long been wanting to find something that would allow us at > Zone-10 to create multimedia presentations of still images with an audio > backing running through it. We have this idea of inviting registered users > to offer their presentations to show online via our site. We're still in the > development stages at the moment mainly because we need to find at least one > possible solution that really works well, is cost effective and fairly > straightforward to use. So far we've not been able to track one down with > the exception of one of our members in Malaysia who suggested Canopus. > Earlier this evening, I had a look at what he was able to do with it > (Canopus) and I must say I was quite impressed. > > Our PC-based presentations were based on the use of MS PowerPoint. It's easy > to use but it's a right royal pain in the anterior. It's very fickle minded > when it comes to sourcing the audio track. I've had different people > experiencing different things as far as this is concerned. I could never get > it to source any audio file unless it is found in an audio CD and > furthermore, PowerPoint doesn't seem to like MP3 also. But like I said, > someone else might have a different experience from me but for me, it never > worked. Furthermore, PowerPoint - or at least my version - doesn't render to > DVD, which makes the whole exercise pointless. > > My sister uses Ulead. It's quite flexible but so far she has not been able > to render it to DVD and we all suspect that this is more a question of > processor firepower and/or available system memory to crunch through the > whole process. It's easy to use but having seen what Canopus can do, I am > beginning to believe that it is not as widely capable. > > Which then brings me to the next question - how much firepower does one need > as far as a Windows XP-based PC to render a multimedia presentation on DVD? > Or is it really all that better to use a Mac desktop? > > If anyone of you have different experiences or even have used or come across > Canopus that you can share with me, I'd love to hear from you. I have > reproduced this same topic at Zone-10's Discussion Forum - feel welcome to > provide your answer here or there. > > Thanks for your time. > > > K. > > > > > 2008/8/6 John Hermanson > >> These will play back on home dvd players. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 04:28:17 2008 Received: (qmail 16006 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 02:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 02:28:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5262CEE23; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A101E6CA for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11066 invoked by uid 504); 9 Aug 2008 17:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Aug 2008 17:44:12 -0000 Message-ID: <489DD76B.5090901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:44:11 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <489CF1E2.40904@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489CF1E2.40904@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 04:28:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e5241233511946193717 My friend is no longer using whatever it is that he used to use. Turns out that whatever it was came with some royalty-free music which he still uses. But for the software he has switched to the more capable "ProShow Gold" $69.95 for a download copy. A bit more for a CD package. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Not much to help you here except that several years ago my photo mentor > was experimenting with video presentations from stills and audio with > some software that mimicked the "Ken Burns effect". It did a nice job > without too much work. I don't recall the name but have sent him an > inquiry. In the meantime I found this: > > > Being of a suspicious nature when it comes to Microsoft and Windows I'm > wondering if some of your problems with not being able to record to a > DVD may have more to do with Microsoft's take on intellectual property > rights management than technical limitations of computing engine > horsepower. I would be triply suspicious of that if you're using Vista. > > Chuck Norcutt > > khen lim wrote: >> I'm a bit late joining this thread but I do have some input into this as >> well as questions to ask too. >> >> Firstly I have long been wanting to find something that would allow us at >> Zone-10 to create multimedia presentations of still images with an audio >> backing running through it. We have this idea of inviting registered >> users >> to offer their presentations to show online via our site. We're still >> in the >> development stages at the moment mainly because we need to find at >> least one >> possible solution that really works well, is cost effective and fairly >> straightforward to use. So far we've not been able to track one down with >> the exception of one of our members in Malaysia who suggested Canopus. >> Earlier this evening, I had a look at what he was able to do with it >> (Canopus) and I must say I was quite impressed. >> >> Our PC-based presentations were based on the use of MS PowerPoint. >> It's easy >> to use but it's a right royal pain in the anterior. It's very fickle >> minded >> when it comes to sourcing the audio track. I've had different people >> experiencing different things as far as this is concerned. I could >> never get >> it to source any audio file unless it is found in an audio CD and >> furthermore, PowerPoint doesn't seem to like MP3 also. But like I said, >> someone else might have a different experience from me but for me, it >> never >> worked. Furthermore, PowerPoint - or at least my version - doesn't >> render to >> DVD, which makes the whole exercise pointless. >> >> My sister uses Ulead. It's quite flexible but so far she has not been >> able >> to render it to DVD and we all suspect that this is more a question of >> processor firepower and/or available system memory to crunch through the >> whole process. It's easy to use but having seen what Canopus can do, I am >> beginning to believe that it is not as widely capable. >> >> Which then brings me to the next question - how much firepower does >> one need >> as far as a Windows XP-based PC to render a multimedia presentation on >> DVD? >> Or is it really all that better to use a Mac desktop? >> >> If anyone of you have different experiences or even have used or come >> across >> Canopus that you can share with me, I'd love to hear from you. I have >> reproduced this same topic at Zone-10's Discussion Forum - feel >> welcome to >> provide your answer here or there. >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> >> K. >> >> >> >> >> 2008/8/6 John Hermanson >> >>> These will play back on home dvd players. >>> >>> ___________________________________ >>> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >>> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >>> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >>> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >>> >> >> >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 04:32:14 2008 Received: (qmail 20252 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 02:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 02:32:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E545FCCB23; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEF7876DF for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.42.62] (r190-135-42-62.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.42.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m78Lcg70029706 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:38:43 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.6.0/1601]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:38:51 -0300 Message-ID: <489CBCEB.4010302@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:38:51 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] test References: <799412.15861.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <799412.15861.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 04:32:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e532e145781470116606 test Fernando. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02 a.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 05:55:10 2008 Received: (qmail 12288 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 03:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 03:55:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14820F9D18; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:45:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:45:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF25EA7F5 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:18:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id t.c12.365ecf9b (37534) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB017-929e489a5b8f7; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:18:55 -0400 Received: from FWM-D32 (fwm-d32.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.8]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c59489a5b866d; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:18:46 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Test---everything OK in Zuikoland? Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:18:46 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:18:46 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC64B0E6395BD-16C8-3D13@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 05:55:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e669e223821702588592 Haven't seen a peep from the list since AM, no digest, archive server seems to be sick and nothing on nabble. Perhaps a stat page to the list doctor is warranted? Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 06:04:00 2008 Received: (qmail 6161 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 04:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 04:03:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC06F7B03; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:14:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:14:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FAAEAEDF for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:37:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so180888nfi.19 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:37:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=OiCadWz7SXJGuluk9+Cwi6O5FyX3L4ATtgd27tyCU/k=; b=rHa63YPpdaETB/LUPKJ+sMTrAzf9+1ZR8hTU7wYEhCFQnm277OKUEiF1pLICvs5vTs UA3W52qx+m3cbEHt1OjiAJbTlT0z0bveSiHJ98iI3SC88u//dcVZybBrnW5OWIVaom1C RcGrxezKUXTEFgXTKHMU4HqkA6BHR1wPZ4GtI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sh9BpiEHbsAquKA9mx9xemSW/YVKQVHC22YtGbJvZWr3nzTN0Z5d7CxtL9049NFbzJ f84jJqgzOETbpZ/TRGjrAMeN+SQ0n4+MzoKcah/epmcK7GhTkqSzLGgwfpCFbdljt7gK IiBOdeDIzmfc0CFrQPwiTVU0He3h8r7QYySCc= Received: by 10.210.111.4 with SMTP id j4mr3726213ebc.110.1218101843451; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 02:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:37:23 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Skipwith Common MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 06:04:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e68b0315381470116606 Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 06:05:19 2008 Received: (qmail 20409 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 04:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 04:05:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9A3FD501; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:09:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:09:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24DFD0AEB for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12344 invoked by uid 504); 8 Aug 2008 09:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Aug 2008 09:08:51 -0000 Message-ID: <489C0D23.9020703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:08:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 06:05:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e68ff67869347015869 My favorites are I think 1952 would make a nice, large wall print Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A bit of > scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > > Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 06:19:48 2008 Received: (qmail 8257 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 04:19:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269ABE8D24; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:13:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CE1EE5F9 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:18:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080807231807.ZPFD8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:18:07 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml28 ([172.18.111.186]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id zbJ81Z00B41Lkqs02bJ8V5; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:18:08 -0400 Received: from 68.229.81.220 by webmail.east.cox.net; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:18:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20080807191809.WFSHT.109137.imail@eastrmwml28> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:18:09 -0400 From: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images] Cc: Moose In-Reply-To: <489A0E3A.4080500@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pschings@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 06:19:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e6c64194001838542571 I think they're coming through fine. I've seen this 4 times now. ---- Moose wrote: > Fernando is having problems with posts not coming through, so I am > forwarding a couple. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images > Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:23:16 -0300 > From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > > > Moose, sorry for the inconvenience but to my surprise my email are not coming back and certainly are not reaching the list. Would you mind > forwarding this one, if you don't find it at your [OM] folder when you check your mail? > > TIA > > Fernando. > *********************** > Yesterday late at night I sent this same text but seems it didn't came back, It's not in the server's spam folder, neither in my desktop spam folder. > changed its title, hope it goes through .... > > ************************ > Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. I named this photo "It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil > Taylor)". > > Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at > the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the harbor. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ > > Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage noise > filter. > > As always, comments are welcome. > > Fernando. > > Moose wrote: > > Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun > > boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to > > capture it. > [snip] > > I again explored this liminal space. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 06:24:52 2008 Received: (qmail 12713 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 04:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 04:24:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29736DD3CF; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:18:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:18:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B71DFDE7 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m77DIUn5008609 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:18:41 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:20:30 +1000 Message-ID: <000201c8f890$61805ac0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-reply-to: <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acj4gP8iqdWz/g2wRHKeiL6hA85JqgADuJwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 06:24:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e6d9467522336821329 Thanks all for the input on this, I downloaded Picasa and I already had Nero (came with a DVD drive purchase). Nero seemed a bit more intuitive to me so I probably use that unless I find some problem with it. I built a slideshow with about 60 images as a trial and it seems to do the job. ...Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hermanson > Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2008 9:58 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software > > > > These will play back on home dvd players. > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. > > Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > > > Nero > > Vision 5 > Make Slide Shoe, with too much options. > > > > Being myself quite a newbie in the PC world, and > particularly in Nero, > > I > > should ask. Perhaps I've discovered something new _ ;) > > > > Fernando. > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I recently visited with some folks who had been at a > family gathering > >> where I had taken lots of photos. I assumed that they > probably had a PC > >> of some sort so took along a data DVD containing two > folders of JPEG > >> images from the gathering. One contained small images > suitable for the > >> web, the other contained the original, full-size 13 MP > images from the 5D. > >> > >> When I mentioned that I had a DVD with photos my host said, "Oh, > >> good, > >> let's play the DVD on the TV." I said it wasn't a DVD > video, just still > >> images and the TV and DVD player wouldn't know what to do > with it. But > >> the host insisted that we try it. Much to my surprise, > the TV/DVD combo > >> (a Hi-Def, 8 foot projection screen monster) began immediately to > >> display a slide show. To everyone's dissatisfaction, the > images looked > >> kind of fuzzy and I finally realized that it had chosen > the small size > >> web images and was up-rezzing them to fit the HD screen. > I then asked > >> if it was possible to navigate around the disk to look for another > >> folder. Sure enough it was quite possible and I > discovered that the TV > >> was also capable of down-rezzing the 13 MP images to fit > the HD screen. > >> > >> I'm not sure what was providing all the logic for that but it was > >> certainly not just a dumb TV. > >> > >> Chuck Norcutt > >> > >> > >> Moose wrote: > >> > >>> Wayne Harridge wrote: > >>> > >>>> I need to produce a "slideshow" of several hundred > images (shot on > >>>> my E-510, so it's on-topic !) and need some advice about > how best > >>>> to do it. > >>>> > >>>> I'd like to have the option of randomising the slides then > >>>> retaining the random order. > >>>> > >>>> I'd like to produce the slideshow on DVD so that a PC is not > >>>> required to play it. > >>>> > >>>> Any suggestions ? > >>>> > >>>> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 06:42:08 2008 Received: (qmail 7764 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 04:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 04:42:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358A4F1DA1; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:53:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:53:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E74211A3D for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080807214729H0500eaidse>; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:47:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: Subject: [OM] Garden Spider Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:47:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 06:42:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e71a081531342116753 This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the background because of the location. Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 06:48:10 2008 Received: (qmail 11693 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 04:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 04:48:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A420E6158; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:03:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:03:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D27710DB2 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6845 invoked by uid 504); 7 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 Message-ID: <489B6659.1020305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:17:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FS: Misc. Olympus E system cameras / lenses References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 06:48:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e730a254218512572685 Switching to what, James? Chuck Norcutt james olson wrote: > > I have a decent collection of Olympus equipment for sale. All the > equipment is going to show use, but no dents, dings or signs of > abuse. Mainly signs of wear on the plastic lens hoods, and light > scratches to the lens bodies where the hoods go on and off. As I am > primarily a wedding photographer, I am switching systems, and have > the following Olympus E items for sale: > > > Olympus E1 body. loose rubber, signs of wear, but no abuse. 275 > > Olympus E1 body. new rubber, just refurbished through Olympus. Very > clean. $300 > > Olympus SHLD-2 grip, battery, charger. For E1. $50 > > Olympus 11 - 22 lens, hood caps, case. Scratches where the hood goes > on and off. $525 > > Olympus 50 / 2 macro, hood, caps. $325 > > Olympus 50 - 200 lens, caps, hood, case. Scratches on the plastic > where the hood goes on off. $ 550 > > Olympus RM-1 wireless remote. $20 > > Olympus RM-CB1 corded remote. $30 > > Olympus E-500, 14 - 42 lens, hood, caps. $250 > > My preference would be either personal checks or paypal plus 1.5% for > fees. I'll ship anywhere as well. > > > > Thanks, James. > > > > *********************************** > > > > James Olson > > 5295 Birch Street > > Astoria, OR. 97103 > > phone: (503) 325 - 4070 > > > _________________________________________________________________ Got > Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games > Trivia Contest > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. 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Summer must have consumed everyone!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 07:10:29 2008 Received: (qmail 10497 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 05:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 05:10:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48241102F6F; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:09:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:09:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0942F198B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:58:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50196 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KRyKT-0006TF-UO for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:58:37 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:58:35 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong Thread-Index: Acj6e9WBFCTwS2ZvEd2J5AAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 07:10:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e784518541234514069 Those are incredible shots. Exposure is hard to nail for those kind of scenes and you got it perfect...and I love the color! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 8/9/08 3:20 PM, "Michael Wong" wrote: > First time to take night shots with my "new" TLR & my new exposure meter --- > Sekonic L308S, compact & very nice, pretty helpful. Much enjoy to watch 6x6 > slide film directly for night scene, 135 too small to be watched directly > except with projector. > > Please click the centre of pictures to enlarge pictures to 800 x 800 pixels. > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Central_Night_Scene_120/index.html > > > A funny in picture RolleiflexT0038, one was the highest building in HK --- > Jardine House (Circle windows one), one is the highest building in HK now > --- IFC 2. > > > --- > Michael > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 07:24:25 2008 Received: (qmail 12253 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 05:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 05:24:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B1CC60C8; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:08:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:08:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47375A51F4 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:26:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main (059149244096.ctinets.com [59.149.244.96]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id m7A2Pxcm012596 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:26:00 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <000c01c8fa90$6b756730$060ba8c0@main> From: "C.H.Ling" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <000801c8fac3$43b744b0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:25:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ch_photo@accura.com.hk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 07:24:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e7b88124571529615919 You are right, that's why I say "less", I expect it is not easy to track down. Anyway, it is better to search for the free music. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" > >> For audio track, are you worrying about royalty issue? You may try MIDI >> (search from the web), converting them to wave (MP3, WMA...) may have >> less >> royalty issue. >> > The format shouldn't make any effect on royalties, as the final form will > set them. There won't be any royalties on the dvd itself if you don't sell > it, but there could be concerns on the part of the venue where shown. > > Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 07:46:58 2008 Received: (qmail 20678 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 05:46:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601FDC3C2A; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:51:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:51:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCF19666 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080808175202H0600a37ole>; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:52:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <72FF29E40E7F4A0C961167635E5E09E9@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: Subject: [OM] Test Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:52:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 07:46:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e80d210471946193717 I haven't been able to get a post to work for the last two days. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 08:15:17 2008 Received: (qmail 30236 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 06:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 06:15:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669A8DD746; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:16:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:16:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (fed1rmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.241.45]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93512DB990 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080809204116.BFHH6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:41:16 -0400 Received: from microndesktop ([68.231.166.251]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0LhG1a0085RmP9w04LhGjL; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:41:16 -0400 Message-ID: <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> From: "Johann Thorsson" To: References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> <48936CC4.6010106@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:41:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: johann@tamu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 08:15:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e877545621470116606 One of our computers died this week when we had a power outage. It had been running for 10 years, and I was hoping for 10 more, but Tucson Electric put an end to that dream. That means I will probably upgrade my work computer and migrate what that box contains into the other box, which serves as our file server. The problem is that I have no clue what I should be looking for when buying new motherboards, CPUs, memory and video cards. Is any listmember who has recently upgraded or purchased a new desktop system willing to share his knowledge? I would like a reasonably fast machine, but it does not have to be the latest or gratest, I guess I am looking for the best bang for the buck, it would be used for usual word processing stuff, spreadsheets, statistical analyses, databases etc, plus image processing and occasional 3D design (CAD). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 08:36:20 2008 Received: (qmail 26902 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 06:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 06:36:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AADEF3E3B; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE88AED129 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:34:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080809173412.ULCQ22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 13:34:12 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0HaA1a00Q3Hz7l802HaAQu; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:34:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> Subject: [OM] you brits are pathetic... Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:36:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 08:36:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e8c64201251234514069 Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that revealed that over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital cameras, and don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, too, but listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV remote control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! I sure feel better about myself! Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 09:05:32 2008 Received: (qmail 12469 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 07:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 07:05:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E8AFA776; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC7D231DA for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 04:39:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.35.15] (r190-135-35-15.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.35.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m792dl2k011426; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:39:48 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.6.0/1601]); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:39:57 -0300 Message-ID: <489D037D.8050608@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:39:57 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Moose Subject: [OM] Re: It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor) was: Re: Almost on topic images References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> <4899237F.2090809@adinet.com.uy> <489B572A.10200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <489B572A.10200@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 09:05:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e933c233777350615338 Hola Moose, everyone: Ha! - you bet !. Monitor re-calibrated, cold light source and loupe on the Provia. Now it is as accurate as I can make it, regarding color. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2744956403/sizes/o/ First version done at daylight, think this was main perceptive distortion when judging the amount of blue. Made this second version using color balance +20 Red, +20 Yellow IIRC. Still concerned about my off-list situation. As you see I got your reply from the list, but my own tests don't come back. Please forward this one. Fernando. Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a telephoto. >> >> Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the >> harbor. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ >> >> Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. >> >> As always, comments are welcome. >> >> > Nice subject and composition. Could it really be that color? I've never > seen such a color of cloud/fog. I would expect cloud seen from the > direction of a low sun to be either neutral gray or slightly warm. > > > Version B simply sets the open cloud area to neutral gray. > Version A backs that off to retain a bit of blue in the water. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02 a.m. > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. 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( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm871493tia.6.2008.08.07.16.08.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489B8067.6000306@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:08:23 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images] References: <489A0E3A.4080500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <489A0E3A.4080500@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 09:09:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e944448471257536491 Moose wrote: > Fernando is having problems with posts not coming through, so I am > forwarding a couple. > ... Nabble says their getting through, and I've been receiving them here: http://www.nabble.com/user/UserPosts.jtp?user=339419 Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 09:26:10 2008 Received: (qmail 4798 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 07:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 07:26:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758A5DB8DD; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:41:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:41:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BEAF8034 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:05:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15307 invoked by uid 504); 8 Aug 2008 00:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Aug 2008 00:05:36 -0000 Message-ID: <489B8DD0.4030104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:05:36 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 09:26:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489e9812109401234514069 Since no one else has responded I'll tell you what little I know. I had a Wein cell once that came to me in a little Konica rangefinder. I never used it in the OM-1 and the Konica was quite dead otherwise. I don't know how long it would last in an OM-1 but I'm told that you can recover the activation holes and stop (I assume slowly) electricity generation to preserve the battery. I've seen Wein cells advertised as 1.35 volts which is the nominal voltage for a mercury cell but the Wein cell is zinc oxide whose nominal voltage (as in hearing aid cells) is 1.4 volts. Whether Wein actually does something to drop the voltage to 1.35 I don't know. I suspect it's really 1.4 like other zinc oxide cells. Buy some cheap hearing aid batteries and then you won't care how long it lasts. :-) Chuck Norcutt Geilfuss Charles wrote: > Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long > do they typically last once activated? > > > > TIA, > > Charlie > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 10:15:02 2008 Received: (qmail 5037 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 08:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 08:15:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F589F7C99; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A964B1172EC for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3879 invoked by uid 504); 7 Aug 2008 12:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Aug 2008 12:06:53 -0000 Message-ID: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:06:53 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] Got an on-camera pop-up flash? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 10:15:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ea386274171342116753 Got an on-camera pop-up flash? They're generally pretty useless but here's a nice tip for putting it to good use. Dr. Flash ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 10:43:04 2008 Received: (qmail 30683 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 08:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 08:43:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841EEE03BD; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:49:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:49:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B530877AA for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from russlaptop ([72.79.25.31]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5C00K58NPLGWS7@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:03:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:02:48 -0400 From: Russ Butler Subject: [OM] test To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <489DF7E8.20604@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080717-0, 2008.07.17), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rbinnj@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 10:43:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489eaa18125603675314703 list can't be dead since 8/6 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 11:00:38 2008 Received: (qmail 12092 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 09:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 09:00:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFBAC9552; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D270B116F20 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 05:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080809032103H02000uu93e>; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:21:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 11:00:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489eae36265031993019900 This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Nichols To: olympus@ml.free.fr Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Garden Spider This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the background because of the location. Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 11:06:15 2008 Received: (qmail 30962 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 09:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 09:06:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B88BC6E28; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8724FF66BE for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:22:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080809222252H02000upo2e>; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:22:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <6460F3AF646E420A86C4C4C4F8F1A892@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:22:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 11:06:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489eaf87249231073733319 This was sent Thursday morning. Glad it finally found its way to the list. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: [OM] IMG: Garden Spider > > I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this > fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it > would have been useless. > > Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. > > Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 11:15:26 2008 Received: (qmail 27830 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 09:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 09:15:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F323F8663; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:17:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:17:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF46EA5D4A for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:49891 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KRiYe-0006sR-5g (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:08:13 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Picture a Day discussion group , olympus@ml.free.fr, Leica Users Group Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?se=F1orita?= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:08:11 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 11:15:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489eb1ae254771035110158 A lens test this Thursday afternoon on Alexanderplatz in Berlin. I have just acquired the magnificent 50-200mm Olympus zoom. This is how I test lenses. http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#347983643_6rwrZ-O-LB This should also reassure those who expressed concern about my recent move to a house a bit further from the beach here in Alicante. Trust me, señoritas are everywhere! Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 12:01:49 2008 Received: (qmail 26292 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 10:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:01:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D99EFD7CD; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E29304DE for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 08:48:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-58.cruzio.com [63.249.91.58]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m796mI8j077779 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:48:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj5CyAvEdooDPxcSIi1t0X0d5RXWgAJ5g8gAC48bVA= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 12:01:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ebc8d119791823421471 How wonderful! I'm still reflecting on the mirror images in the water...... E-3 and what lens, 12-60? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wayne Harridge Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:44 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common > pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > Nice ! I particularly like P7274976.jpg and P7274968.jpg ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 12:17:16 2008 Received: (qmail 30389 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 10:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:17:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A172DD82F0; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBB5C5B83 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:36:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080807213630H0100m9bhke>; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:36:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <7E9D5160A5F24F549383B25A8568E66A@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> <48999BFF.8030809@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:36:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 12:17:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ec02c253578512572685 I sent a message this morning that never showed up on the OM list, like you. I thought it might just be delayed, but others are now coming through and it did not. Thanks for sharing your experience. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:41 AM Subject: [OM] the liminal space was: Re: Almost on topic images > > yesterday late at night I sent this same text but seems it didn't came > back, > It's not in the server's spam folder, neither in my desktop spam folder. > > changed its title, hope it goes through .... > > ************************ > Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a > telephoto. I named this photo "It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil > Taylor)". > > Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at > sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at > the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the > harbor. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ > > > Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto > mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. > > As always, comments are welcome. > > Fernando. > > Moose wrote: >> Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun >> boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to >> capture it. > [snip] >> I again explored this liminal space. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1595 - Release Date: > 06/08/2008 08:23 a.m. > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 12:18:15 2008 Received: (qmail 2206 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 10:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:18:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A37EBE1A; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:56:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:56:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E57FA894 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:55:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3459 invoked by uid 504); 9 Aug 2008 22:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Aug 2008 22:55:21 -0000 Message-ID: <489E2059.5060204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:55:21 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 4GB Lexar 133X CF for $29.95 at Adorama References: <489C865C.5050601@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489C865C.5050601@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 12:18:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ec067211582070262475 Talk about slow. I sent this over 24 hours ago. Most posts show up within a minute or two at the most. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > Should come up as $29.95 after adding to your cart. > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 8/8/2008 9:02 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 12:34:41 2008 Received: (qmail 15523 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 10:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:34:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123A1C5F35; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A44115BDC for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC38314126 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C237531410E for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489E5DA2.5030502@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:16:50 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] polarized skies Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080809-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 12:34:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ec4411851342116753 I'm looking for recommendations for an application/plugin that will even out the color of polarized skies with the click of a button. ..... right, OK then how about describing a PS2 work flow for accomplishing same without too much trouble and without ending up with a plastic sky. Thanks, Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 12:50:22 2008 Received: (qmail 23743 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 10:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:50:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCC2CB492; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 79FC988BE8 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11432 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 00:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 00:21:04 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <489C865C.5050601@chucknorcutt.com> References: <489C865C.5050601@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Cards Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:21:02 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 12:50:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ec7ee297777350615338 Anyone got any spare Smartmedia cards they don't need? I just bought a C-2020Z to play with IR and while it cmes with a card, I wouldn't mind a few more. Little buggers are getting tough to find. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 12:54:59 2008 Received: (qmail 26473 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 10:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:54:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35890CB97C; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:35:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:35:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B048E1F7B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1856215wfd.5 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:47:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YcicRSndcMlhDmYPsyrocle7F+rS4FhWCfR0kijjHq8=; b=lKIKnTzJdlWz+WYwUxxJhEVwIYIi1yzq7Ezo+OypAIK1Z0ETjyCxTtuEjwG889wv8a AoiPZeTPhyYUuL2WEm8/WMqan439vn/DYeL3rR6eYJDCswo0IezT6xX+jHFzCSVs8zHV TxKlXR0RcNO9ZE+3i4cwTEQuSrK9qTPU07KN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FZ/ZpxBP7yEiWUJc4f/6cC5f2OJm2og9rFcYXLGxgqL1I2uJ4MdLLX+A2wcBer57sQ D6o0T9G0CUfrMSRJhKNZcDDcnKPhrGGbCOm8zl0tNiU8Fs5uvO2XXp9si5igmz494Sl9 dlGfl6Vm60J3r9wWN2Bm75l3PIqKYGixApA3c= Received: by 10.142.214.11 with SMTP id m11mr1548761wfg.95.1218332847587; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.181.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm1297249wfc.6.2008.08.09.18.47.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489E48A5.4030104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:47:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 4GB Lexar 133X CF for $29.95 at Adorama References: <489C865C.5050601@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489C865C.5050601@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 12:54:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ec90327401585427447 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > Should come up as $29.95 after adding to your cart. > Or the 300x for $3 more after rebate. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 13:02:44 2008 Received: (qmail 8040 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 11:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:02:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E8AC7BF2; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:49:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:49:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A76AE3F7D for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:13:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26067 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 07:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 07:13:30 -0000 In-Reply-To: <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <48F60091-4AFA-4DC6-BEA9-0AA2B941BA8C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:13:27 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 13:02:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ecad4115121744846740 Real men don't read manuals. They'd rather throw it away. I'm looking forward to the US version of this survey - it could be very entertaining. Especially if they include guns... (I know, I know - just could help myself...forget I said that). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 10/08/2008, at 6:36 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > > Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that > revealed that > over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital > cameras, and > don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, > too, but > listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. > > You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV > remote > control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! > > I sure feel better about myself! > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 13:15:56 2008 Received: (qmail 13622 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 11:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:15:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525851002BA; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16EB100A18 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:41:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468C8C9708 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:56:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:41:05 +0100 References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 13:15:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ecdec202801744846740 :-) But it sounds as if you're believing rather too much of what you read on the Internet, Bill. That's almost like believing everything you read in a newspaper ... Much of what is written in newspapers is at least part fiction, especially in the UK at this time of the year. And when I was in the USA I found bo**ocks in many places as well. Chris On 10 Aug 2008, at 09:36, Bill Pearce wrote: > > Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that > revealed that > over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital > cameras, and > don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, > too, but > listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. > > You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV > remote > control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 13:25:08 2008 Received: (qmail 14181 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 11:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:25:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F544F26C7; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:03:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:03:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C932A68C1 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1908493wfd.5 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:50:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y9RLOIHwawtrJ/bENgRFgLqO11RNuOarmeS0b5sEAUQ=; b=pznQBnoImUzLd177d5jAcoOkdt2xYD+kyAaIKz1arTZuOLFUJr6BW+r0cHNNVZ+Bc+ 0LrMHLQI7Q/kAgmugBzmubJE8E2eQFA0uZiV6WWVWP1k29ApuXma9Lp0Y0mtA3nfd+q/ QtsDJR4ctUWVDcsDzElg9dQ3YVzW2k9bqyYTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jjRvCHdw7Yc1YCje2WB4BY2x9kbkRosDo85NXmQQZrcO65gc+jOaJadyVcGXuJw8gp 6a6VpjTQueEvLo7RsZLYktc01+3iJrwLGgZoi6Cjth8exADsxkCW/AEwid/h93zRd0sB CPWCGItKZg9etJAyw3T1GmCPGWJb6QvxYBY+U= Received: by 10.142.185.13 with SMTP id i13mr909459wff.219.1218343822819; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.176.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1380178wfd.7.2008.08.09.21.50.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489E738B.2030100@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:50:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Busy Bee References: <0FDB7CD8696449E3824CAFAB0CFAD231@jimnichols> <4896452E.60201@chucknorcutt.com> <48987371.1050509@adinet.com.uy> <48989D6A.6030806@gmail.com> <4898D9AF.3010700@adinet.com.uy> <48993647.40507@gmail.com> <18855974.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <18855974.post@talk.nabble.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 13:25:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ed014277705368819438 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> Good memory - to a point. I've never had white tulips, preferring gaudier ones The only white flower sequence I recall is gladiolas. >> > Thanks, but it doesn't seem to be exact - it's more like a reminiscence or like a twist in the recalling ... > > [snip] > >> I suspect this is the shot to which you refer >> http://galleries.moosemystic.net/Glads/pages/10-1053.htm >> > But I was sure there were more than one of this kind, with the insects walking along the borders .... > I don't think that was mine. >> The image actually appeals to me more for its abstract quality of shape and color, in and out of focus than for the ant, which is, as you say, rather small. >> > Indeed. - now that I look at it again I perceive a circle into the rectangle. :-) > Funny how oftern we don't know what we are creating util someone else points it out. ;-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 13:41:33 2008 Received: (qmail 580 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 11:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:41:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0CEA6178; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:48:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:48:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BBBFF83D for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:25:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A99F46167F for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:39:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <15344407-2BDE-4ED4-9F9A-A8E711C379B8@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:25:52 +0100 References: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 13:41:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ed3ed141789347015869 Thanks, Michael, that was a nice gallery to look through. Chris On 9 Aug 2008, at 20:20, Michael Wong wrote: > First time to take night shots with my "new" TLR & my new exposure > meter --- > Sekonic L308S, compact & very nice, pretty helpful. Much enjoy to > watch 6x6 > slide film directly for night scene, 135 too small to be watched > directly > except with projector. > > Please click the centre of pictures to enlarge pictures to 800 x 800 > pixels. > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Central_Night_Scene_120/index.html > > > A funny in picture RolleiflexT0038, one was the highest building in > HK --- > Jardine House (Circle windows one), one is the highest building in > HK now > --- IFC 2. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 13:53:31 2008 Received: (qmail 29349 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 11:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:53:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A6B10139E; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880A81146D0 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5179 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 02:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 02:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <489E57F3.4010806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:52:35 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 13:53:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ed6bb252711946193717 Anyone have specific recommendations for visiting Yellowstone? I'll be approaching from the east. Probably coming from Route 212 which I'm told is a must see. What to see and where to stay in only a couple of days. Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 14:37:06 2008 Received: (qmail 31773 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 12:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 12:37:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ACACFAAF; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8EE89D43 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:14:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ZDE1a0020bG4ec55ZE42M; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:14:04 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.249.190]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ZEt1a00547DJWo3PZEuq4; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:14:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9JxmGo3iAAAA:8 a=dD9CuBtgA-N0TmX0igEA:9 a=yDvsbFS-jJvTuYupKTIA:7 a=JdW8NSlEzPO2T7P24dmcELz70tgA:4 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:14:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 14:37:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ee0f216749117217770 Hi Jim, FYI, all 3 trys have made it to me. Can't speak for everyone else. Darin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider > > This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Nichols > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: Garden Spider > > > This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast > shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, > sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the > background because of the location. > > Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 > 1:22 PM > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 16:20:50 2008 Received: (qmail 10257 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 14:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 14:20:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F9FE042F; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:41:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:41:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97370E352B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50174 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KS0bq-0003gd-V9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:24:42 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:24:41 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Garden Spider Thread-Index: Acj6kD5yfNdltGaDEd2NoAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 16:20:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ef941253801591313764 Awesome spider. Those things are gigantic but harmless. My grandpa had two of them set up side by side webs on some plants next to his house a couple years ago. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with me that day and they were gone next time I visited. My son, who loves spiders, thought it looked cool too when I showed him the photo this afternoon. Chris -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 8/7/08 12:33 PM, "Jim Nichols" wrote: > > I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this > fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it > would have been useless. > > Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. > > Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 17:57:23 2008 Received: (qmail 30692 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 15:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 15:57:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EA8A33D4; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:17:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:17:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CBCFD6C0 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:48:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1873140BF for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D363140BC for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489A708F.9060606@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:48:31 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080806-0, 08/06/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 17:57:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f0fe320071946193717 There are two pieces of hardware to consider (at least). the TV and the DVD player. My TV will play jpg's just fine but is kinda dumb so I must feed it correctly sized jpg's. The last DVD player we bought is smarter and has more display options but the TV must be set correctly. It will do a slide show I think but I never use it because it keeps marching along displaying the next image with scientific precision paying no attention at all to the flow of conversation. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 18:02:35 2008 Received: (qmail 9095 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 16:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 16:02:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FE7D208F; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2EFCC57B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:49:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25721 invoked by uid 504); 9 Aug 2008 23:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Aug 2008 23:49:20 -0000 Message-ID: <489E2D00.4040300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:49:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong References: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 18:02:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f111b238611023412894 Very nice. I like the exposure. Chuck Norcutt Michael Wong wrote: > First time to take night shots with my "new" TLR & my new exposure meter --- > Sekonic L308S, compact & very nice, pretty helpful. Much enjoy to watch 6x6 > slide film directly for night scene, 135 too small to be watched directly > except with projector. > > Please click the centre of pictures to enlarge pictures to 800 x 800 pixels. > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Central_Night_Scene_120/index.html > > > A funny in picture RolleiflexT0038, one was the highest building in HK --- > Jardine House (Circle windows one), one is the highest building in HK now > --- IFC 2. > > > --- > Michael ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 20:34:28 2008 Received: (qmail 6434 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 17:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 17:37:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D62C46B0; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496CCFF79E for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d09.3f57cf4f (34990) for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB013-88ae489e3e511fc; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:03:13 -0400 Received: from webmail-de03 (webmail-de03.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.24]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA036-5c58489e3e49284; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:03:05 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Couple of Big Foot shots Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:03:05 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.24) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:03:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC89BFB2AFDB6-A70-265B@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus Big Foot (Cosina Voigtlander 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar for OM) has been fun to use. The clematis was part of an experiment (n=2) to see if the shot or bean filled bean bag could match MLU+ aperture prefire on the 4T. The lack of tripod mount can make it quite subject to vibration when at higher mags. Fortunately the usually zealous zephyrs quite uncharacteristically quieted during the timer countdown and enabled a comparison---I really couldn't tell and both seemed to make a substantial improvement. I know Moose often doesn't like OOF foregrounds, but perhaps one here will be an exception. Zoto no longer allows a direct link to an individual shot in an album unless another size is selected--- Mike Portra 160 VC clematis F5.6 1/15 http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#be4dac563cbebe946480993866cf8305 http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#780c15bf7b84fafddd02c9a0fc78a693-6fc36 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 20:34:55 2008 Received: (qmail 17445 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postfix1-g20.free.fr) (212.27.60.42) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB1129332C7 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:34:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF46BE3AE7; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655C4E1C08 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:52:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2478 invoked by uid 504); 9 Aug 2008 22:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Aug 2008 22:52:55 -0000 Message-ID: <489E1FC6.7090202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:52:54 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus I don't know why you're apologizing for the background. Looks fine to me. Besides, I wouldn't want to antagonize your friend there by criticizing where he or she chooses to set up housekeeping. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it would have been useless. > > Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. > > Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 20:53:34 2008 Received: (qmail 21409 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 18:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postfix1-g20.free.fr) (212.27.60.42) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 18:53:32 -0000 Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28FD292FA6D for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE398110B58; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:44:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:44:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8A32F5A8 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 08:02:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C06C97E4 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:17:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:02:49 +0100 References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 20:53:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f392e208111823421471 That sounds like a fun thing to do on Zone-10, Khen, but a "right royal pain in the front"? :-) Chris On 7 Aug 2008, at 14:47, khen lim wrote: > Our PC-based presentations were based on the use of MS PowerPoint. > It's easy > to use but it's a right royal pain in the anterior ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 21:03:40 2008 Received: (qmail 23955 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 19:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postfix2-g20.free.fr) (212.27.60.43) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 19:03:39 -0000 Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by postfix2-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252AA28E0505 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:04:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A2DC788D; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:59:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:59:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D046101C62 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E02A46164F for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:45:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se ñorita Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:32:01 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 21:03:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f3b8c11309117217770 Thanks, Nathan, a fine sight on a Sunday morning (here). Is that the SWD 50-200? Chris On 9 Aug 2008, at 08:08, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > A lens test this Thursday afternoon on Alexanderplatz in Berlin. I > have just acquired the magnificent 50-200mm Olympus zoom. This is how > I test lenses. > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#347983643_6rwrZ-O-LB > > This should also reassure those who expressed concern about my recent > move to a house a bit further from the beach here in Alicante. Trust > me, señoritas are everywhere! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 21:06:01 2008 Received: (qmail 15690 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 19:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postfix1-g20.free.fr) (212.27.60.42) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 19:05:59 -0000 Received: from ml.free.fr (ml-g19.proxad.net [212.27.60.41]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1457293340C for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC409DE790; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.237]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62755E04E0 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:02:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2666077rvb.29 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:02:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=POklRtUAuUQoPTkzX3D/EBiGqwEOfnVQ5PLCllhasM0=; b=sMihBl4EEwE5AzWGkYV7zf/ScPnQdJk1wUS+a6YpmGly4Ari1ztpk/TzJm9Uff4G0s WfnOvgQ9aI/+sTfVbKkUdrUo4OBX3as22mw4HUz+mqGzyg2zvcl7AlTb4EVP03zSxksQ dVckm7mkZzAhyGO9gc//7ariferMgPyR/QfMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZbMn8y+PiIO3AUFSb3V85uP4ZUJuVQ/IltBiNyLYhpIy7dKEPcbpFJxTGaa88ke5pW s2p7FB+gF7zVq+QmIjcwGRdzhbElGRUmYbxPzXrM+STimgWWX6NePIX3Lus/rirgMhke Jld2Ai04gFAJ4qyi1mH17auSwNT0O6oyT3wJg= Received: by 10.141.161.6 with SMTP id n6mr2591670rvo.201.1218351732147; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.175.160]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm5778083rvb.6.2008.08.10.00.02.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489E926F.8080109@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:02:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> <48936CC4.6010106@chucknorcutt.com> <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> In-Reply-To: <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 21:06:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f3c19210622070262475 Johann Thorsson wrote: > .... > That means I will probably upgrade my work computer and migrate what that box contains into the other box, which serves as our file server. The problem is that I have no clue what I should be looking for when buying new > motherboards, CPUs, memory and video cards. Is any listmember who has recently upgraded or purchased a new desktop system willing to share his knowledge? > > I would like a reasonably fast machine, but it does not have to be the latest or gratest, I guess I am looking for the best bang for the buck, it would be used for usual word processing stuff, spreadsheets, statistical > analyses, databases etc, plus image processing and occasional 3D design (CAD). > One man's opinion: If planning to do image processing, don't stint on CPU and memory. My strategy, the results of which have pleased me three times so far, is to look at the Systemax boxes on tigerdirect.com. I shoose one step short of the bleeding edge of processor speed/price and select the drives, etc. that fit my needs. For Windoze, any memory over 3 GB will be mostly wasted unless you have very few peripherals and little video card memory. I look at HD and memory size/price in their configuration page and choose the combo of base configuration and separate purchases that give me the best bang for the buck. On the last one, their price for 2x512 MB of memory was excellent, but more was too expensive, so I bought the box with the 2x512 and separately ordered 2x1 GB. I checked the motherboard on the manufacturer's site to be sure this configuration was optimal for performance, before buying. I put the additional memory in before turning the box on the first time. I've built systems before, and they have worked, sometimes after some hassle. The difference in price between a built box and the pieces is tiny. I like getting a set of components and installed OS that work when plugged in - and if they don't, I have only one vendor to deal with. I've only had to use their support once or twice, and found it reasonably quick and quite competent. I did have an additional HD that I ordered that was bad out of the box. The maker replaced it, but I ended up out $5 for sending it in. That made me think WD is a bit cheap.I could see it if I'd had any use out of the drive. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 22:12:06 2008 Received: (qmail 13901 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 20:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 20:12:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF11C9F0B; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A8225324 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30646 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 02:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 02:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <489E5475.2020407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:37:41 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? References: <130891.23253.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <130891.23253.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 22:12:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f4b9677031946193717 Why is the list resending day old messages. This is at least the third one in the last hour or two. Chuck Norcutt Willie Wonka wrote: > Johan, > > You are in luck, coz my sister recently moved to the area. > > Send me your specific questions, describe what you are looking for and I will have her find some answers for you. > > Word of caution: Even if you like everything we tell you about the place, you might want to visit during the summer to see if you can handle the heat and humidity. > > Boris > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 10 23:27:30 2008 Received: (qmail 17134 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 21:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 21:27:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3101CDB90; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FA68846A for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:32:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9EF497000082 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:32:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.89.31]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 65BF67000081 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:32:41 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080810073241416.65BF67000081@mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:33:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 10 23:27:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f5d42249831946193717 Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that revealed that over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital cameras, and don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, too, but listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV remote control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! I sure feel better about myself! Bill Pearce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some of us cope with the problems listed and have moved on to more cerebrally challenging stuff. Leap years for instance. Every fourth year we get an extra day in February, so far so good. It takes about 365.24219 days for the Earth to go around the sun once After the first year, our calendar is off by 0.24219 days After the second year, the calendar is off by 0.48438 days After the third year it is off by 0.72657 days Finally, by the time the fourth year rolls around, the calendar is off by 0.96876 days So an extra day is added to February to compensate for the 0.968760 day error that has accumulated in the calendar during those four years Perfectly logical but why can't we have the extra day in June when the weather is better ? --Graham :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 00:21:13 2008 Received: (qmail 25553 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 22:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 22:21:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADE1CC0FB; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22628D7759 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.63.12] (r190-135-63-12.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.63.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m79KTCsD006095; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.6.0/1602]); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:29:23 -0300 Message-ID: <489DFE22.7060306@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:29:22 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Charlie Geilfuss Subject: [OM] Re: It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor) was: Re: Almost on topic images References: <000201c8f81f$f29d2a40$6401a8c0@charliepc> In-Reply-To: <000201c8f81f$f29d2a40$6401a8c0@charliepc> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 00:21:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f69d9326811529615919 Hi Charlie, Thanks for looking and commenting. It seems I'm still offlist, I am able to receive some of the list posts, but mine don't reach the list. Moose was right about color. I adjusted carefully red and blue balance, and here you'll find the most accurate version I am able to do: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2744956403/sizes/o/ Would you mind forwarding this message to the list ? Cheers, Fernando Charlie Geilfuss wrote: > A very nice image Fernando. I especially like the overall purple > tone. Probably better described as haze rather than fog, but that is beside > the point. > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:07 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: It Is In The Brewing Luminous (to Cecil Taylor) was: Re: > Almost on topic images > > > Here is how I discovered the liminal space of fog/sun boundaries using a > telephoto. > > Not quite the fog you find in California. Done in winter (June 2003) at > sunrise, looking from Punta Carretas towards the Cerro de Montevideo, at > the entrance of the harbor. The ship is just about to disappear into the > harbor. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2736857707/sizes/o/ > > Zuiko 200mm/4 @ 11 doubled by 2X-A, bean bag, Olympus OM 2n on Auto > mode, Provia 100F, perceptual intent conversion to sRGB, NeatImage filter. > > As always, comments are welcome. > > Fernando. > > Moose wrote: > >> Although I find it difficult to convey the sense of the fog/sun >> boundary, I find it fascinating and often beautiful and keep trying to >> capture it. >> > [snip] > >> I again explored this liminal space. No virus found in this outgoing message. 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( [71.139.181.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm646309wff.17.2008.08.09.18.50.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489E495C.40400@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:50:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: test References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <489DD570.6000804@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <489DD570.6000804@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 00:40:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f6e7a188721744846740 y Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > x > Y not? Confuzlemoose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 01:04:15 2008 Received: (qmail 8190 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 23:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 23:04:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF06AFE5EE; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1EE23ED5 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7A99Sox008773 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:09:40 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:11:26 +1000 Message-ID: <000601c8fac9$156043e0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj6x4/qgJ4kvsZ3Ssa9pyk1P+fS9QAAWJEg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 01:04:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f73ef157071073733319 Well geez, this is the 3rd time I've got it ! ...Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 1:21 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider > > > > This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Nichols > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: Garden Spider > > > This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before > the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had > taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I > couldn't do much about the background because of the location. > > Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 01:30:13 2008 Received: (qmail 3305 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 23:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 23:30:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F3ADF07C; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:28:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:28:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0620FF573F for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:04:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:50794 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KS6qd-0001ll-4f (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:04:23 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:04:20 +0200 References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 01:30:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f7a05206291023412894 Flash Is Evil Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Got an on-camera pop-up flash? They're generally pretty useless but > here's a nice tip for putting it to good use. > > > Dr. Flash > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 01:34:16 2008 Received: (qmail 27316 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 23:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 23:34:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DD0E9D58; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:54:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67A9F4AA1 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:12:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080810191220H040096c9ie>; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:12:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <489E1FC6.7090202@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:12:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 01:34:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f7af8318011342116753 Chuck, Thanks for looking. I swept the web aside so I could change out my rain guage, and, the next day, it was totally rebuilt. She was still there this morning, but her male companion is no longer around. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider >I don't know why you're apologizing for the background. Looks fine to > me. Besides, I wouldn't want to antagonize your friend there by > criticizing where he or she chooses to set up housekeeping. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this >> fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it >> would have been useless. >> >> Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. >> >> Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 01:47:31 2008 Received: (qmail 31263 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 23:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 23:47:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C22D3B0C; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:41:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:41:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CED7FF7A3 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:16:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so879800yxj.89 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=c1RiTIyf9pGbqNj4vnQMPJVX9BXZ6QmrRR0/AXleVEw=; b=e/30Oj4IE4Ilkq9boWX2a8c5tyaCAVZaviNMELaiiaRwlyOHzOXyx7MVwJy/DU3oNC AYH0gR4es87gd4u4eXoDzHVRNYoG2ZZv8ZFQVkvBYPxYKONaCaBcxsGdMIm36JS+kXm4 bGiFGX1f6kAoybdDEDDZjb+mm2C0WRUawSCa8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XF6ozdd380gXGkKe2l8hSY2i7vddCPQA0j+1jUlFPow9MrY8kf83pGOaR9dykOfTu8 7Y8z5KmcLxAYvraNqGSl+C1A6/coc1+fkXQdedlZRshixhGTPbar92LyAKxLNd8OtAN7 PSAt67eA5vgpyweeF3ePA9LbNMAdFmCvNbMZk= Received: by 10.151.110.9 with SMTP id n9mr67853ybm.225.1218363394838; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.64.10 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:16:34 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? In-Reply-To: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 01:47:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f7e13280062070262475 2008/8/7 Chuck Norcutt : > Got an on-camera pop-up flash? They're generally pretty useless but > here's a nice tip for putting it to good use. > I did a similar thing with my old C2100UZ once, using a bit of aluminium foil to direct the flash off to the side where it triggered an off-camera flash by optical slave. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 01:57:31 2008 Received: (qmail 5152 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 2008 23:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 23:57:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDA887303; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:28:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:28:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B10FF089 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:25:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-58.cruzio.com [63.249.91.58]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7A6PF8O083579 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:25:16 -0700 Message-ID: <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj6o05HooJwLOrWTL+dwxqAq7RIDwADiHqQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 01:57:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f806b100105368819438 Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web is the giveaway. WE use to have 5-6 and if you get to close they'd move their web like a trampoline, we thought it was so cute we'd show visitors, then one day one jumped out of their web and chased down a grasshopper and stopped it in it's tracks with one bit..... I never teased one again to show friends how they make themselves look larger....... Ours had larger splotches of Yell like a tortoise shell. Before I had a camera, sorry! -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:48 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Garden Spider This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the background because of the location. Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 02:09:47 2008 Received: (qmail 25998 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 00:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 00:09:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237F4E195B; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B305C4BB9 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:16:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24540 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 11:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 11:16:03 -0000 Message-ID: <489ECDF3.5020904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:16:03 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 02:09:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f834b143498512572685 Resending. This one appears to have gotten lost in the ether. ------------ Anyone have specific recommendations for visiting Yellowstone? I'll be approaching from the east. Probably coming from Route 212 which I'm told is a must see. What to see and where to stay in only a couple of days. Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 02:11:27 2008 Received: (qmail 32337 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 00:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 00:11:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249B9E112E; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:34:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:34:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68718E06C3 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:47:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KS7W9-0002SS-2x for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:47:17 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: References: <489DF7E8.20604@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: test Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:47:12 +0100 Message-ID: <007301c8face$110d7240$0700000a@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj6xRp9VN5iXpkUQ7iyL/ci6kBJXQACL58A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <489DF7E8.20604@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080809-0, 09/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: piers@hemy.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 02:11:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f83af212511869477228 "No, just resting, a very sensitive breed, the Norwegian Blue" -- Piers -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Russ Butler Sent: 09 August 2008 21:03 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] test list can't be dead since 8/6 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 02:23:25 2008 Received: (qmail 5370 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 00:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 00:23:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEF68898F; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:02:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E482FF626 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:34:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE41C9707 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:49:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6BB14B4F-DAED-45C9-A00B-7C923DBD6839@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:34:41 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 02:23:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f867d179043675314703 Tom I've held off commenting about these photos because the subjects are not really my sort of thing. But I remain an admirer of your ability to find composition and interest where I might be still trying to get my gumboots out of another sucky-muddy hole. And yes, 1952 is an excellent photos, although I might be tempted to use it as the basis for a bit of manipulation and posterisation, or perhaps monochromatisation (:-)). And what a great place to lay an airfield, eh? It's even better than RAF Brüggen in Germany, near the Dutch border and Roermond, which was apparently shunned by the German forces because of its bogginess, swampiness and infestation with aggressive flying insects. But the Brits built an airfield there and manned it throughout the Cold War, In fact we launched missions to Kosovo from there in 1999 ... Chris On 6 Aug 2008, at 09:38, Tom Fenwick wrote: > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A > bit of > scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > > Tom ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 02:47:07 2008 Received: (qmail 23237 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 00:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 00:47:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AAEE0039; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1D3FE626 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:28:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14614 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 13:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 13:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <489EED17.6080004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:28:55 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 02:47:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f8c0b11181234514069 To me too but not necessarily in a timely manner. Chuck Norcutt Darin wrote: > Hi Jim, > > FYI, all 3 trys have made it to me. Can't speak for everyone else. > > Darin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 PM > Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider > > >> This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jim Nichols >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM >> Subject: Garden Spider >> >> >> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast >> shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, >> sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the >> background because of the location. >> >> Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 >> 1:22 PM >> >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 02:59:21 2008 Received: (qmail 27697 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 00:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 00:59:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF718A29C; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CA2DF7DE for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:46:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KS6Z2-0001wT-1S for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:46:12 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:46:12 +0100 From: Patrick Moore To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: test Message-ID: <20080810084611.GE7261@the.earth.li> References: <489DF7E8.20604@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <489DF7E8.20604@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: paddy@earth.li Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 02:59:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f8ee934185368819438 * On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 04:02:48PM -0400, Russ Butler said: > > list can't be dead since 8/6 Of course not, we've had many messages since the beginning of June. :) paddy, being helpful as always. -- Brought to you by the letter D and the number 21 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 03:08:03 2008 Received: (qmail 11239 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 01:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:08:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4225326ACE; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:48:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:48:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 13C8BA5155 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:50:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11606 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 21:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 21:50:16 -0000 In-Reply-To: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> References: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <9F041FB1-B853-4E4C-8849-014C533ECFB5@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:50:14 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 03:08:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f90f3279921744846740 Queensland is the only Australian state that refuses to have 'daylight saving' - apparently it isn't a popular idea because the extra sunlight might fade the curtains and burn the lawns. Andrew Fildes (who still wants those 11 days back). afildes@people.net.au On 10/08/2008, at 5:33 PM, Gee Bee wrote: > So an extra day is added to February to compensate for the 0.968760 > day error that has accumulated in the calendar during those > four years > > Perfectly logical but why can't we have the extra day in June when > the weather is better ? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 03:13:17 2008 Received: (qmail 29213 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 01:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:13:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B19C4124; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:42:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DBDD1081 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:32:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24980 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 23:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 23:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <489F7A82.9000000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:32:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 03:13:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f922d303374673671140 I know. That's why I use it. :-) Dr. Flash Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Flash Is Evil > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Got an on-camera pop-up flash? They're generally pretty useless but >> here's a nice tip for putting it to good use. >> >> >> Dr. Flash >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 03:23:51 2008 Received: (qmail 3300 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 01:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:23:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B79EE5328; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:25:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:25:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE84087701 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-58.cruzio.com [63.249.91.58]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7AG7Mr3072558; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:07:23 -0700 Message-ID: <29EE1D0B420E434E8D2DF0A94218270B@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj6x2r1cI2b2BwMTcWQXqyuXnfhZAAO66Qg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 03:23:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f94a7295241585427447 I'm getting them. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Nichols To: olympus@ml.free.fr Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Garden Spider This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the background because of the location. Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 03:40:04 2008 Received: (qmail 24355 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 01:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:40:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355FCE15D; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:42:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:42:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85ACDEA3B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:06:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12518 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 12:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 12:06:07 -0000 Message-ID: <489ED9AE.4060200@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:06:06 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 03:40:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f987443311823421471 It's not surprising they don't know how the devices operate when 46% say they never read the manual. Even more surprising is this tidbit: "And even when a device goes wrong, more than a quarter will try to fix it themselves, or even buy a new one, instead of turning to the instructions." In the US they probably don't read the manual because they can't or at least can't comprehend it. That goes a long way towards explaining the WD40 in the cameras. We'll probably find it in the flash card slots as well. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bill Pearce wrote: > Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that revealed that > over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital cameras, and > don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, too, but > listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. > > You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV remote > control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! > > I sure feel better about myself! > > Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 03:57:41 2008 Received: (qmail 27549 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 01:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 01:57:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57955C8C7A; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:32:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:32:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3EEE83CD for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2691922rvb.29 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:25:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Uv5/dC/EG1+810kIZZ7Qkt9gysR9by1KU2xyJO7I7w4=; b=Pe4jUuOrWsfIEr0C6hHon2TCEKj08R+6iMrrHsANJFny4GtjQbS+oJjuMw5ovnp4NO zkR00IANC1rDIQSDQLfeae9sexEb9FYdaNM903/nXxsnpycWUXlja52GLKm4C5pvX0k2 TUsNeagDU74QJtr+GYN178sGEGrgzXw0Og4qo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=C1sBKIC2F+p/bRegWt21iiRCGLZ5BH/v77wFeoCWKV6VGG5gYykOCCgF4mB8vUrHIk r33nsvGp4avZnO/bRntLp/s5NT8V/7l6mLaTOmQ2ajDQlW/+wPzw3ESDjCm34J72gjze uYJb3Q4sDFY/GG4svtVJK06iTluS219O8bGW0= Received: by 10.140.201.4 with SMTP id y4mr2630948rvf.86.1218356738528; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080808100125n5c705e84g261f2ea961bff884@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:25:38 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 03:57:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489f9c95261182070262475 Chris, Thank you very much!!! I can't believe that the reading of Sekonic L308S is very accurate. I almost haven't adjusted the reading to shoot accordingly. The photos are not re-touched except re-size & USM. The exposure is amazing. --- Michael 2008/8/10 Chris Crawford > Those are incredible shots. Exposure is hard to nail for those kind of > scenes and you got it perfect...and I love the color! > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 8/9/08 3:20 PM, "Michael Wong" wrote: > > > First time to take night shots with my "new" TLR & my new exposure meter > --- > > Sekonic L308S, compact & very nice, pretty helpful. Much enjoy to watch > 6x6 > > slide film directly for night scene, 135 too small to be watched directly > > except with projector. > > > > Please click the centre of pictures to enlarge pictures to 800 x 800 > pixels. > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Central_Night_Scene_120/index.html > > > > > > A funny in picture RolleiflexT0038, one was the highest building in HK > --- > > Jardine House (Circle windows one), one is the highest building in HK now > > --- IFC 2. > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 05:23:05 2008 Received: (qmail 22065 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 03:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 03:23:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C75E6EB1; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2FAE813F for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-58.cruzio.com [63.249.91.58]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7AG9SO0073184 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <6460F3AF646E420A86C4C4C4F8F1A892@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <6460F3AF646E420A86C4C4C4F8F1A892@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:09:29 -0700 Message-ID: <2AF53DE913FE422BAD80D7F253F64CC9@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj6yDPUeEUDC1fmRKWrogotX9gpCgAOwfgg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 05:23:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489fb09910101470116606 Blind man in a new city directions to the group huh. Someone had a server go down or taken offline for service or replacement, and your post was in it, and until the saved mails were reloaded, there it sat. Happens with Yahoo a lot from the tech answers we get 3-4 times a year. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 3:23 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider This was sent Thursday morning. Glad it finally found its way to the list. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: [OM] IMG: Garden Spider > > I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this > fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it > would have been useless. > > Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. > > Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 05:55:29 2008 Received: (qmail 20833 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 03:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 03:55:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA66CB7CE; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:09:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:09:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 44AFF26504 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:45:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30595 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 11:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:45:30 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:45:25 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 05:55:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489fb831232721838542571 That's a bit petulant - clearly Reevoo.com are a respected academic source and I'm sure that their interviewers were well trained, their interview schedules free of any possibility of generating minor invalidities and inaccuracies and their sample of 2000 respondents was properly randomised and structured (no, not contradictory). Beyond that, it has the grim ring of plausibility to it. Andrew Fildes (former market research interviewer - hey, we can't all put ourselves through university by more legitimate work like table top dancing). afildes@people.net.au On 10/08/2008, at 6:41 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > :-) > > But it sounds as if you're believing rather too much of what you read > on the Internet, Bill. That's almost like believing everything you > read in a newspaper ... > > Much of what is written in newspapers is at least part fiction, > especially in the UK at this time of the year. And when I was in the > USA I found bo**ocks in many places as well. > > Chris > > On 10 Aug 2008, at 09:36, Bill Pearce wrote: > >> >> Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that >> revealed that >> over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital >> cameras, and >> don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, >> too, but >> listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. >> >> You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV >> remote >> control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 06:33:51 2008 Received: (qmail 4872 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 04:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 04:33:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7458CD22AF; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E20C4C6E for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10645 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 13:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) 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References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <48F60091-4AFA-4DC6-BEA9-0AA2B941BA8C@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <48F60091-4AFA-4DC6-BEA9-0AA2B941BA8C@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 06:33:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489fc12f118109347015869 Tsk, tsk. We can't read the manuals but we all know how to operate guns at birth. It's genetic. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Real men don't read manuals. > They'd rather throw it away. > > I'm looking forward to the US version of this survey - it could be > very entertaining. > Especially if they include guns... > (I know, I know - just could help myself...forget I said that). > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 10/08/2008, at 6:36 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > >> Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that >> revealed that >> over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital >> cameras, and >> don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, >> too, but >> listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. >> >> You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV >> remote >> control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! >> >> I sure feel better about myself! >> >> Bill Pearce >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 07:03:33 2008 Received: (qmail 52 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 05:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 05:03:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790C625AB5; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:30:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:30:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6145CB664 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip11.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080810113244.PLIN1779.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:32:44 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkUJAENvnkhMQRcx/2dsb2JhbAAIgWinIw Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279334193.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.65.23.49]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2008 07:40:27 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:32:32 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Cards From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Cards Thread-Index: Acj63McXBcqw8GbQEd24ZgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 07:03:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489fc825267721585427447 I have several (at least one 128K - I'm looking for the rest), and no use for them. Let me know your address, and I'll get them in the post to you. Michael On 8/9/08 8:21 PM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > > Anyone got any spare Smartmedia cards they don't need? > I just bought a C-2020Z to play with IR and while it cmes with a > card, I wouldn't mind a few more. > Little buggers are getting tough to find. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 07:11:42 2008 Received: (qmail 7677 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 05:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 05:11:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACA4DF72B; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:45:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:45:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C6CE2190 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:38:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7ABbjmq014878 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:38:02 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Cards Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:39:42 +1000 Message-ID: <001301c8fadd$cf214680$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj61uTh/tOHEkvJQom12QV5862wZQABr/vg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 07:11:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489fca0e118031073733319 > > Anyone got any spare Smartmedia cards they don't need? > I just bought a C-2020Z to play with IR and while it cmes with a > card, I wouldn't mind a few more. > Little buggers are getting tough to find. > Andrew Fildes I can see we'll have to have an IR shootout C-2020Z vs C-2100UZ ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 09:18:15 2008 Received: (qmail 7950 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 07:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 07:18:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D17DDB528; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:57:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:57:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784C5D22C2 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:55:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE621C9737 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:10:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8CAC89BFB2AFDB6-A70-265B@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Couple of Big Foot shots Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:55:07 +0100 References: <8CAC89BFB2AFDB6-A70-265B@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 09:18:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489fe7b7166121591313764 They look great, Mike. There is little "film" look about them as the grain is invisible. The light and exposure look spot-on. Chris On 10 Aug 2008, at 02:03, usher99@aol.com wrote: > > Portra 160 VC clematis F5.6 1/15 > > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#be4dac563cbebe946480993866cf8305 > > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#780c15bf7b84fafddd02c9a0fc78a693-6fc36 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 09:56:35 2008 Received: (qmail 17694 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 07:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 07:56:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920B2F8AEE; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8241FCA659 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13723 invoked by uid 502); 10 Aug 2008 20:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.198.78) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 20:28:43 -0000 Message-ID: <489F4F70.3090000@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:28:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? References: <130891.23253.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489E5475.2020407@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489E5475.2020407@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 09:56:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 489ff0b3318094673671140 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Why is the list resending day old messages. This is at least the third one in the last hour or two. > Unlike you, who simply waited until your post about the CF card deal appeared a day late, some folks assumed their post had been lost forever and resent, sometimes more than once. The list server was indeed the cause, but more indirectly than than by resending messages itself. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 11:52:43 2008 Received: (qmail 7886 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 09:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 09:52:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AC8255B8; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:05:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:05:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1855E415C for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:46:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1907446wfd.5 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:46:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a2CiD0MMkSAqR0aRaSku/0/Rmu6BN4cojXqCBMI5Uic=; b=HEfCPIximVTPL1PYgpgjzQ1teUQAGYAmzbDHaaRx+LtOpcTIJwGUSP9nxisOWYzn0i ZOConLSowu+CeXbP+nq7OBFEh6bIH9m3jdEUiKtcGADCZxVIliC0c5MwGWgMkPaQI7Nv 6IJQKaYLJPU9SVbjHzpWCkWaNDV7xwFRHA+ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=w0BotAEO/b3/xnLILFxKcP53DaJ/YN1y/gHHGJWq9kMwDePV8qlQEkNWhX+5kMgvyT Xd+PTc4UGSIi3x48GWJhlqX8q8Ci/RHwx2Hok2vO8rPSqA1EJrfW0y32810eC8YpP+en fQmWhYP9Qnjo+Iw8PIDfkVN+Ht2AHKMBxrr8E= Received: by 10.142.232.20 with SMTP id e20mr1596184wfh.85.1218343578229; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.176.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm2420299wfi.11.2008.08.09.21.46.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489E7297.5020100@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:46:15 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 11:52:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a00beb66811342116753 Tom Fenwick wrote: > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A bit of > scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > Oh dear, I've fallen to temptation again. Several images where I like the subject and composition a lot. But the processing just wasn't ... Moosey enough to really satisfy me. I hope you enjoy the alternate viewpoints. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 12:24:30 2008 Received: (qmail 6139 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 10:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 10:24:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE384FD32F; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:36:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (mail.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us [66.116.71.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E37AEDFB4 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:02:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.222] (unknown [192.168.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38DD7107800F for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? From: Scott Gomez To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Scott Gomez Consulting Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:02:12 -0700 Message-Id: <1218420132.15032.0.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scott@petroglyph.crestline.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 12:24:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0135e66417350615338 I'm more and more convinced that's true of the computer sort as well as the camera sort. On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 11:04 +0200, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Flash Is Evil > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain --- Scott ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 13:05:54 2008 Received: (qmail 21539 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 11:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 11:05:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73A9E12CE; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3D9EBA7C for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:24:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2807 invoked by uid 504); 11 Aug 2008 01:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Aug 2008 01:24:01 -0000 Message-ID: <489F94B1.3060102@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:24:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <489E1FC6.7090202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 13:05:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a01d12231431993019900 Perhaps he has been, um, ... internalized. Chuck Norcutt Jim Nichols wrote: > Chuck, > > Thanks for looking. I swept the web aside so I could change out my rain > guage, and, the next day, it was totally rebuilt. She was still there this > morning, but her male companion is no longer around. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:52 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider > > >> I don't know why you're apologizing for the background. Looks fine to >> me. Besides, I wouldn't want to antagonize your friend there by >> criticizing where he or she chooses to set up housekeeping. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this >>> fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it >>> would have been useless. >>> >>> Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. >>> >>> Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 13:37:21 2008 Received: (qmail 8732 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 11:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 11:37:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7D724EEE; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:00:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:00:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2F8C565C for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:16:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9433 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 13:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 13:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <489EEA2E.4030800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:16:30 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: polarized skies References: <489E5DA2.5030502@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <489E5DA2.5030502@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 13:37:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a02471326951946193717 When I do hand-held panoramas the pieces of the stitched image don't line up well horizontally which often means cropping a fair amount off top and bottom. There's not much that can be done about the ground level but if there's clear sky at the top I can often rescue that part of the image by filling the ragged black areas at top with sky from below. I've never tried that for your application but it might work so I'll describe how I do it for the sky at the top of panos. I use the rectangular marquee tool and draw a narrow rectangle across the top of the image but completely within the available sky. Then right click the selection and choose "Free Transform" (not ordinary transform, BTW). For my horizontal section of sky I just grab the top "handle" and pull it straight up to the top. As it stretches out it fills the area with some blend of pixels from the selection below. Simple, quick and quite effective for that usage. For your case you'll likely have to operate at an angle so, after making the selection and selecting "Free Transform", move the cursor outside the selection box which will allow you to rotate the box around its center. You can also slide the box around by clicking on its interior. Then grab a "handle" and drag in the direction you want to modify. Don't worry if the corners of the box go outside the image. It will still work properly. Now, then. Can you make this work across areas of varying shades and get the edges to blend in? I don't know. I suspect it might be necessary to do it from multiple directions and maybe even use gaussian blur within a larger selection to blend anything that looks uneven. But it's the simplest solution I can think of. I'll be anxiously awaiting your report on results. :-) Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations for an application/plugin that will even > out the color of polarized skies with the click of a button. ..... > right, OK then how about describing a PS2 work flow for accomplishing > same without too much trouble and without ending up with a plastic sky. > > Thanks, > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 13:41:10 2008 Received: (qmail 25729 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 11:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 11:41:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF03CCE3A; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3048FF9E3 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:39:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.bc8.36c4aca5 (37059) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB045-90c3489f52102b7; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:39:44 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DC06 (webmail-dc06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.28]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA012-5bab489f5208265; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:39:36 -0400 References: <8CAC89BFB2AFDB6-A70-265B@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fwd: Couple of Big Foot shots Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:39:36 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 In-Reply-To: <8CAC89BFB2AFDB6-A70-265B@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by WEBMAIL-DC06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.28) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:39:36 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAC940566A1A00-13AC-1CD4@WEBMAIL-DC06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 13:41:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0255695471823421471 Oops, I meant to link the larger size and the gallery as well though the alternate sizes are one click away. It appears zoto may limit the link to the "large " size only. Gallery: http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/16727/ trying out lower mag Big foot shot through our lavender hedge. http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#be4dac563cbebe946480993866cf8305 http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#780c15bf7b84fafddd02c9a0fc78a693-6fc36 Big Foot (Cosina Voigtlander 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar for OM) has been fun to use. The clematis was part of an experiment (n=2) to see if the shot or bean filled bean bag could match MLU+ aperture prefire on the 4T. The lack of tripod mount can make it quite subject to vibration when at higher mags. Fortunately the usually zealous zephyrs quite uncharacteristically quieted during the timer countdown and enabled a comparison---I really couldn't tell and both seemed to make a substantial improvement. I know Moose often doesn't like OOF foregrounds, but perhaps one here will be an exception. Zoto no longer allows a direct link to an individual shot in an album unless another size is selected--- Mike Portra 160 VC clematis F5.6 1/15 http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#be4dac563cbebe946480993866cf8305 http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#780c15bf7b84fafddd02c9a0fc78a693-6fc36 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 14:12:48 2008 Received: (qmail 24933 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 12:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 12:12:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48F8D9043; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6A4F6BE9 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:00:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080811000054H040096ct3e>; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <456AA0FB75AA4BD293A784D7A8307BAA@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:00:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 14:12:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a02cc0137531342116753 The one I photographed is still here, but I think she devoured her mate, for he is no longer around. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Peden" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web is > the giveaway. > > WE use to have 5-6 and if you get to close they'd move their web like a > trampoline, we thought it was so cute we'd show visitors, then one day one > jumped out of their web and chased down a grasshopper and stopped it in > it's > tracks with one bit..... I never teased one again to show friends how they > make themselves look larger....... Ours had larger splotches of Yell like > a > tortoise shell. > > Before I had a camera, sorry! > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:48 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Garden Spider > > > This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast > shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, > sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the > background > because of the location. > > Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 15:20:46 2008 Received: (qmail 26140 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 13:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 13:20:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA238FBE43; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:43:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:43:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd6mo1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BCDE18CD for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:26:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (HELO pd5ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.153.166]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:26:41 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=McbRhzWxLLbqu-U738wA:9 a=1IHi1-cphwhiUTo2N-opl4XvrhwA:4 a=Aek0cqTjdtQA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd5ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:26:41 -0600 Message-Id: <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:26:41 -0600 References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 15:20:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a03cae188963675314703 Note to Bill C'mon Bill - you need to stick to the great American traditions -you only pick fights with oil producing countries. anonymously sent by Gord, who is not from Alberta On 10-Aug-08, at 2:36 AM, Bill Pearce wrote: > > Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that > revealed that > over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital > cameras, and > don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, > too, but > listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. > > You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV > remote > control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! > > I sure feel better about myself! > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 17:35:12 2008 Received: (qmail 3677 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 15:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 15:35:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23621171B1; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1ABE7FF1 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:25:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5E006NXJEK34K0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:25:32 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:23:49 -0300 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:25:50 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkUPAEDrnkgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBWYdQn20D X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,339,1215399600"; d="scan'208";a="281189952" References: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> <489E2D00.4040300@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 17:35:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a05c3021691342116753 Isn't the building with circular windows called the "Connaught Centre" ? I watched that building go up from ground zero in the early / mid 1970s and it certainly was named as the Connaught Centre at that time ................ one of the many buildings owned by the Hong Kong Land Co Ltd. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong > Very nice. I like the exposure. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Michael Wong wrote: >> First time to take night shots with my "new" TLR & my new exposure >> meter --- >> Sekonic L308S, compact & very nice, pretty helpful. Much enjoy to watch >> 6x6 >> slide film directly for night scene, 135 too small to be watched directly >> except with projector. >> >> Please click the centre of pictures to enlarge pictures to 800 x 800 >> pixels. >> http://www.michaelphotography.net/Central_Night_Scene_120/index.html >> >> >> A funny in picture RolleiflexT0038, one was the highest building in >> HK --- >> Jardine House (Circle windows one), one is the highest building in HK now >> --- IFC 2. >> >> >> --- >> Michael > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 20:37:01 2008 Received: (qmail 16007 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 18:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 18:37:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB94DE18D; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B0FC9502 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:44:59 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ALt09MNKMUTWBS1aMxwX0wH7RU1l68cnil+7wdhperUneLyHHer8amVoEx9INXut; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.110.212] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KSLWs-0002fA-JD for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:58 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008811104458333@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:44:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940eb78b99ebc6f077caacdcfd3486e1be2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.110.212 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 20:37:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a086cd232014673671140 > > > Chuck, > > Thanks for looking. I swept the web aside so I could change out my rain > guage, and, the next day, it was totally rebuilt. She was still there this > morning, but her male companion is no longer around. Not sure of the mating habits of this species but lots of male spiders become a post coitus snack if they don't leave fast enough John ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 22:09:32 2008 Received: (qmail 31068 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 20:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 20:09:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43C1CFBD9; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:47:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:47:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9146F074A for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:31:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1903326wfd.5 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:31:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HEydt16mAePGN5nJYV2DgGB/H/ObqVF8j/Ycd/QbG/8=; b=gVEZinxHdbHQrGg4dV+bWxONsaw6uShgMcgdw74JhvJLqFPofXk+dmEIRHZlpJkBS3 aFBnxAlBZjc8+AySwMOxsW7Nvj52etn9ZK6rynqUNBMOcS3EnRazkAxgf4kIqASaq7b5 olktX3lnc1GUr3K7cySgcOARLG/doGm+GdMLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KWWpDC0VxDx6bWtQcvmtVeqG5/EZ2ERyqwAGMoGjIaLdramo8DAWt3UBbn9r3yZKDu HMBzvs6uTVEn6re0MLIKV7DA/XtEoHC0kt/fvbpYOIqrz4Y4iUfouqlON17gc/RRXSWR SV6KXny9ZLiorTANBfPlFLmFVzzsgmqfKRapU= Received: by 10.142.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr1579101wfd.277.1218342701636; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [71.139.176.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm902821wfg.9.2008.08.09.21.31.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489E6F2A.6050701@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:31:38 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 22:09:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a09c7c19291529615919 Jim Nichols wrote: > I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it would have been useless. > > Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. > > Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > Very nice. I don't see anything wrong with the background. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 22:12:08 2008 Received: (qmail 12322 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 20:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 20:12:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43B38A6B0; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:25:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:25:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C102DA98B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B28C96FC for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:19:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <489E57F3.4010806@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:04:49 +0100 References: <489E57F3.4010806@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 22:12:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a09d18176791257536491 I know that it doesn't help, Chuck, but one of my favourite memories is attending Sunday Mass on the stoop of the lodge, overlooking the lake. In an un-prayerful moment I saw a Moose approach to about 100yds from the congregation from the direction of the lake. Oh, and the river and waterfall were pretty spectacular, not to mention the freedom of the sky from anything manmade like high-tension wires etc ... Chris On 10 Aug 2008, at 03:52, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Anyone have specific recommendations for visiting Yellowstone? I'll > be > approaching from the east. Probably coming from Route 212 which I'm > told is a must see. What to see and where to stay in only a couple > of days. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 11 22:47:37 2008 Received: (qmail 31510 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 20:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 20:47:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63A1D4FCE; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:37:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:37:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19A1E944D for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:17:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.84]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5F006IBLXBOOH0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:17:35 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:20:39 -0300 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:17:53 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Test To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <7B992C0383B2421CB01C12C77F2E5374@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApgOAEiun0gY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBWYdQoCwD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,341,1215399600"; d="scan'208";a="417935158" References: <130891.23253.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 11 22:47:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0a56966671823421471 Sent 7:17am, 11 Aug 2008 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 00:25:04 2008 Received: (qmail 10955 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 22:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 22:25:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCB0DBE23; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46C0F0B4E for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:26:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12030 invoked by uid 502); 10 Aug 2008 20:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.198.78) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 20:26:16 -0000 Message-ID: <489F4EB3.5090009@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:25:23 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 00:25:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0bc40215971234514069 Jim Nichols wrote: > This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. > I received all three, Jim, although the first may have been delayed in the temporary time warp. If you are not receiving your own posts to the list, but are receiving all others, it could be something to do with your mail ISP. When I switched to gmail, I was receiving all posts. After several months, I stopped receiving my own posts. I never did figure out why. I subscribe on two different email servers, and my posts continue to come through on the other one. Strange things happen out in the internet. Hmmmm. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I use gmail as my outgoing mail server. It might be saving me from receiving messages from myself? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 00:52:01 2008 Received: (qmail 7616 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 22:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 22:51:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA95CB6A0; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:53:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:53:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7956DCD79 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:34:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080810213420.NWWX11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:34:20 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0laM1a00B3Hz7l802laMPx; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:34:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c8fbae$f647c8c0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:37:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 00:52:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0c29161442336821329 Perfectly logical but why can't we have the extra day in June when the weather is better ? --Graham :-) For the same reason that some think we should adopt the metric system. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 00:54:59 2008 Received: (qmail 31737 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 22:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 22:54:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00BFC92A7; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:43:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:43:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36107F7081 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:26:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0GqS1a01J0S2fkCA2NSkZG; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:26:44 +0000 Received: from miraclenay7zrg ([76.121.220.159]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0NSj1a0023SwnJc8VNSjLi; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:26:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0O9W5DqTDfoVnzHBGQIA:9 a=xN6e7BKNqzIyXy9BJZYA:7 a=jtcwvGVCPpW3A1ymK6FbhwmYS3YA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=YUDiU4Dtaj4K-n2On9UA:9 a=ZyCyNVs4JZlnuc2-7u0A:7 a=yT0q0tT5P2zZ34YJpTX0NxaAaiAA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> From: "William Sommerwerck" To: Subject: [OM] putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:25:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: grizzledgeezer@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 00:54:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0c34313581702588592 This is likely premature, but it probably can't hurt. Several years ago, being nearly dead-broke, I was obliged to sell off my OM system. (The only significant items remaining are a champagne OM-4T body, the 280 flash, the auto-focus 35-70 lens, and a complete set of focusing screens, mostly unused.) The OM is unquestionably one of the great 35mm cameras. Olympus's attempt to create an "SLR Leica" was largely successful. (It's richly comic for Olympus to play up the extreme compactness of their smaller DSLRs. Their writer has likely never seen an OM and its lenses.) I've switched to Canon, so there's no practical need to retain any OM equipment. But I have a strong attachment to the OM system, both sentimental and technological. I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for general photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old carrying case *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 macro, and 85/2, in really good shape. The problem (outside of the fact I don't immediately have the money), is that these lenses (at least at KEH) are rather pricey (at least those in EX or better condition). Isn't there supposed to be a glut of 35mm lenses? I probably won't have the money until the middle of next year, but I'd be curious to hear any thoughts on this subject. Is anyone else out there doing anything like this? PS: If anyone wants the focusing screens, they're still available as a complete set. * When I worked for Bendix, I carried a _complete_ OM system in a Really Tiny case, one that today would hold little more than a high-res DSLR _body_ (sans lens). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 00:57:45 2008 Received: (qmail 9223 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 22:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 22:57:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F094BE6213; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:45:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:45:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D3FEE058 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:15:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:49161 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KSEVf-0001QF-3G (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:15:15 +0000 Message-Id: <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F1orita?= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:15:10 +0200 References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 00:57:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0c3e9148831869477228 Thanks Chris. Yes, it is the latest version of the 50-200, SWD. I think this is one of the two best zoom lenses I have ever owned (the other being the Leica f4/35-70mm). Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Thanks, Nathan, a fine sight on a Sunday morning (here). Is that the > SWD 50-200? > > Chris > > On 9 Aug 2008, at 08:08, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> >> A lens test this Thursday afternoon on Alexanderplatz in Berlin. I >> have just acquired the magnificent 50-200mm Olympus zoom. This is how >> I test lenses. >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#347983643_6rwrZ-O-LB >> >> This should also reassure those who expressed concern about my recent >> move to a house a bit further from the beach here in Alicante. Trust >> me, señoritas are everywhere! > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 01:13:24 2008 Received: (qmail 16545 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2008 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16BB101E79; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2B0DB070 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:30:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24580 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 23:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 23:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <489F7A32.7040801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:30:58 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider References: <000601c8fac9$156043e0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c8fac9$156043e0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 01:13:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0c794191537350615338 He's just really proud of that spider. I would be. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > Well geez, this is the 3rd time I've got it ! > > ...Wayne > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 1:21 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider >> >> >> >> This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jim Nichols >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM >> Subject: Garden Spider >> >> >> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before >> the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had >> taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I >> couldn't do much about the background because of the location. >> >> Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 02:02:07 2008 Received: (qmail 22613 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 00:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 00:02:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03826D34DD; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:13:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:13:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD3FCA55F for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:21:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11539 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 13:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 13:21:26 -0000 Message-ID: <489EEB56.7020708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:21:26 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 7th Augus t 2008: Berlin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?se=F1orita?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 02:02:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0d2ff141923675314703 I see that your objective is to see how many freckles you can count. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > A lens test this Thursday afternoon on Alexanderplatz in Berlin. I > have just acquired the magnificent 50-200mm Olympus zoom. This is how > I test lenses. > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#347983643_6rwrZ-O-LB > > This should also reassure those who expressed concern about my recent > move to a house a bit further from the beach here in Alicante. Trust > me, señoritas are everywhere! > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 02:19:41 2008 Received: (qmail 179 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 00:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 00:19:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DE2A372D; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:51:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B59DC1B5 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:08:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080810160849H06009so57e>; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:08:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <288E0BB56E08464E81F92E3FBA55C88F@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:08:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 02:19:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0d71d189869117217770 Hi, Chris, Glad you and your son liked the spider. Yes, they are essentially harmless, except to their mates. The large one is the female. For two days, the male was also in the web, but, yesterday, he was nowhere to be found. Probably served as breakfast for the female. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider > Awesome spider. Those things are gigantic but harmless. My grandpa had two > of them set up side by side webs on some plants next to his house a couple > years ago. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with me that day and they > were gone next time I visited. My son, who loves spiders, thought it > looked > cool too when I showed him the photo this afternoon. > > Chris > > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Photography & Graphic Design > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. > > > > On 8/7/08 12:33 PM, "Jim Nichols" wrote: > >> >> I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this >> fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it >> would have been useless. >> >> Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. >> >> Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 02:36:10 2008 Received: (qmail 32739 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 00:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 00:36:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0937FC2F28; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:26:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:26:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE94C33F8 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15434 invoked by uid 502); 11 Aug 2008 00:36:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.199.74) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Aug 2008 00:36:55 -0000 Message-ID: <489F899F.6050400@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:36:47 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <489ECDF3.5020904@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489ECDF3.5020904@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 02:36:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0dafa220251529615919 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Resending. This one appears to have gotten lost in the ether. > Nope. I got it. 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(chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 23:01:34 -0000 Message-ID: <489F734D.4090901@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:01:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic References: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 02:50:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a0de4b161225368819438 I thought that after I retired I could have extra days off whenever I wanted. I tried taking an extra 90 days off just during the summer but it didn't work. Still challenging I guess. Perhaps I should read the manual. Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that revealed that > over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital cameras, and > don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, too, but > listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. > > You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV remote > control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! > > I sure feel better about myself! > > Bill Pearce > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Some of us cope with the problems listed and have moved on to more cerebrally challenging stuff. Leap years for instance. Every > fourth year we get an extra day in February, so far so good. > > It takes about 365.24219 days for the Earth to go around the sun once > > After the first year, our calendar is off by 0.24219 days > > After the second year, the calendar is off by 0.48438 days > > After the third year it is off by 0.72657 days > > Finally, by the time the fourth year rolls around, the calendar is off by 0.96876 days > > So an extra day is added to February to compensate for the 0.968760 day error that has accumulated in the calendar during those > four years > > Perfectly logical but why can't we have the extra day in June when the weather is better ? > > --Graham :-) > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 05:22:51 2008 Received: (qmail 22263 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 03:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 03:22:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23106E16F5; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd6mo1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EDBD102B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (HELO pd6ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.153.160]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:18:33 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=S7xTaWZXAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=LMWkAfB7KJn_R2Yt8vIA:9 a=cYwTPzEdqN8wri02AiO0sHU74TgA:4 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=I_jOj-K3jegA:10 a=NbMR7LxZeRUA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd6ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:18:33 -0600 Message-Id: <45E3F219-B149-4FD6-AFE2-3A23ACB9312A@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:18:33 -0600 References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 05:22:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1020b15818512572685 Hi Chuck: If you grasp the pop up flash between your thumb and forefinger - pull back - and twist - then you don't need a saucer. Gord On 7-Aug-08, at 6:06 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Got an on-camera pop-up flash? They're generally pretty useless but > here's a nice tip for putting it to good use. > > > Dr. Flash > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 05:37:21 2008 Received: (qmail 7827 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 03:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 03:37:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264B8D9223; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:47:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:47:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B09F9D8C for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:39:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080810203913H06009s3sie>; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:39:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <41A3A80798A443ACB1CA20865FC4A6B1@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <130891.23253.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489E5475.2020407@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:39:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 05:37:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1057164351869477228 Chuck, Probably others did what I did during the period that the list was only passing on some of the messages. We sent duplicates, or triplicates, and those are just now making their way through the system. Don't blame the list for our frustrations. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Any friends in Raleigh, NC? > Why is the list resending day old messages. This is at least the third > one in the last hour or two. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Willie Wonka wrote: >> Johan, >> >> You are in luck, coz my sister recently moved to the area. >> >> Send me your specific questions, describe what you are looking for and I >> will have her find some answers for you. >> >> Word of caution: Even if you like everything we tell you about the >> place, you might want to visit during the summer to see if you can handle >> the heat and humidity. >> >> Boris >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 >> 1:22 PM >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 05:59:53 2008 Received: (qmail 6148 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 03:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 03:59:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8F0E7F8F; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54816FECF1 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:10:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-58.cruzio.com [63.249.91.58]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7AGAlhG073446 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:10:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj5CyAvEdooDPxcSIi1t0X0d5RXWgAJ5g8gAC48bVAARfknsA== X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 05:59:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a10ab917011035110158 Must have been a server close to the delivery end of the group, this post of mine took 2 days to get her too, did the Post office buy out this part of the internet? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Peden Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:48 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common How wonderful! I'm still reflecting on the mirror images in the water...... E-3 and what lens, 12-60? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wayne Harridge Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:44 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common > pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > Nice ! I particularly like P7274976.jpg and P7274968.jpg ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 06:17:51 2008 Received: (qmail 31800 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 04:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 04:17:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D31CE6C9F; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F86CE4A6 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:34:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7ABYH8g014522 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:34:35 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Cards Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:36:15 +1000 Message-ID: <001201c8fadd$50acd6c0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj61uTh/tOHEkvJQom12QV5862wZQABj9aA Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 06:17:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a10eef311121838542571 > > Anyone got any spare Smartmedia cards they don't need? > I just bought a C-2020Z to play with IR and while it cmes with a > card, I wouldn't mind a few more. > Little buggers are getting tough to find. > Andrew Fildes I've got a couple of 8MB cards to spare if that's any use. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 06:38:57 2008 Received: (qmail 19264 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 04:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 04:38:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30715DABED; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8534D4592 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:50:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KS9R6-00005t-Lo for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:50:12 +0000 Message-ID: <489ED5F6.6060806@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:50:14 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 06:38:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a113e144621702588592 Would have replied earlier but not really up to speed on using the e-mail client... :-( Martyn Bill Pearce wrote: > Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that revealed that > over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital cameras, and > don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, too, but > listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. > > You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV remote > control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! > > I sure feel better about myself! > > Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 07:08:05 2008 Received: (qmail 26655 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 05:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 05:08:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C0A104D81; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:14:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:14:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.151]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 716FD8A087 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:10:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8704 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 14:10:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=etoZHd8hucQUmqBahIB7cpWRNYFnO/f+2lUFRbpuoruXBwI8bfMVjk4a0eBny+NoxylYuu20NeHSjoUgZCt2qf3F/1VTPv+1UWom9CvWtAFssEkraI+jyFz5kNDz6Vb0dF0SytpWIwTY8DkBDZUzyz/PqAVmKxWVvclp5ee+HzY=; Received: from [64.223.41.99] by web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:10:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Willie Wonka Subject: [OM] Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alienspecimen@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 07:08:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a11ab546761591313764 Going back to the old country in two days and as part of gifts for friends, I decided to bring a few prints.   I brought my pictures on a thumbdrive to the photo center at Walmart and before started to print,  was approached by the girl working there, and told that "pictures that come off flash drives come out grainy on 8x10, it has something to do with how many times picture is transfered through different devices...It is best if you print straight out of the camera card"   Being an adventurous guy and having hard time believing, I stuck the nerd chip (there is some slango for ya...), and went tthrough the process...Ten minutes later, I returned and she greeted me with a smile saying:  "I think I know which picture is yours and it did not turn grainy..."   So, whats the story...?  I am thinking that there are several plausible explanations and all of them have sompin to do with processing within the machine.  First comes to mind size and second noise in crappy digicams, third-sharpening and noise.   I have no idea how this urban legend was started...it is an urban legend, right?   Boris   P.S.  My picture was saved in  .tiff and .jpeg formats.  I printed ot of the tiff... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 07:46:55 2008 Received: (qmail 26009 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 05:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 05:46:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3CFDCE4E; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F225E240C8 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:37:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B38CED3BE9 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Q2QIDQgR-uk for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0722CED3BBE for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <574FC94F-A5B5-4096-AE34-504F3C944F8D@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080809014903.CC4BBD1511@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: 4GB Lexar 133X CF for $29.95 at Adorama Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:37:36 -0700 References: <20080809014903.CC4BBD1511@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 07:46:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a123cf156761234514069 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > Should come up as $29.95 after adding to your cart. Ugh. Mail-in rebate. I don't do those any more. :::: It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. -- Upton Sinclair :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 08:26:53 2008 Received: (qmail 17011 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 06:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 06:26:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E18D4E3E; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:19:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:19:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674D9D5A13 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9208 invoked by uid 504); 10 Aug 2008 11:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Aug 2008 11:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <489ED7F2.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:58:42 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> <48936CC4.6010106@chucknorcutt.com> <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> In-Reply-To: <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 08:26:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a12d2d87374673671140 For most of the past 20 years I've been building my own from parts. But, like you, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to the parts biz lately. So this year I decided to go with a refurbished Dell business class machine and bought an XPS 410 with Intel Core 2 duo 6700 (dual, 2.66 GHz processors), 2GB RAM and 160 GB drive. I chose a rerub'd machine both to save money and to be able to easily get an XP machine vs Vista. I then added a 500GB SATA built-in drive dedicated to images plus external SATA drives for images and backup. I don't have a second monitor yet but the video card supports dual, digital or analog monitors. It also has a DVD, 3-1/2" floppy and built-in flash card reader. But be cautious there. I also bought a Dell laptop advertised as having a built-in flash reader. Only after I got it did I realize that it didn't handle CF cards... probably because of the size of the slot required. I had to buy a separate CF adapter for the PCMCIA slot (which is not called PCMCIA any more. Express 32?) Anyhow, I have been exceptionally happy with this machine. Despite the horsepower (it has truly massive heat sinks on the CPU and video processors) it is blessedly quiet once the OS is up and running and temperature and fan speeds are being controlled. It is also exceptionally easy to work on. I don't believe that any tools are required anywhere. If they are I haven't found it yet. Most things seem to be held in place and released via some form of spring loaded, sliding latches. All of Dell is divided into 2 parts... business and home consumer. The machines that are sold on each side of the business are different and the people that you deal with are different. I first located the machine I wanted on line (the refurb'd equipment changes constantly) I had heard that it was best to stick to the business side and had done so on line. But when I called to actually place an order I accidentally got the home/home office side. The sales person (and they are SALES folks) told me what I wanted wasn't available and offered an alternative. Well, the reason it wasn't available was that I was talking to the wrong side of the house... and he knew it but wouldn't volunteer that info. Just keep in mind that these are commission based sales folks and they are not your friends. Determine what you want on line and stick to it. If you don't find what you want it may be there tomorrow or the day after. As I said, the inventory turns over quickly. Chuck Norcutt Johann Thorsson wrote: > One of our computers died this week when we had a power outage. It had been > running for 10 years, and I was hoping for 10 more, but Tucson Electric put > an end to that dream. > > That means I will probably upgrade my work computer and migrate what that > box contains into the other box, which serves as our file server. The > problem is that I have no clue what I should be looking for when buying new > motherboards, CPUs, memory and video cards. Is any listmember who has > recently upgraded or purchased a new desktop system willing to share his > knowledge? > > I would like a reasonably fast machine, but it does not have to be the > latest or gratest, I guess I am looking for the best bang for the buck, it > would be used for usual word processing stuff, spreadsheets, statistical > analyses, databases etc, plus image processing and occasional 3D design > (CAD). > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 08:31:00 2008 Received: (qmail 11305 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 06:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 06:30:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40550FA480; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2E7C9531 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:19:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080810231934H03002b3gfe>; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:19:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <5FBCD50709654999A4AF15D658112539@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <000601c8fac9$156043e0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:19:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 08:31:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a12e24304749117217770 Sorry, Wayne. I promise, there will be no more. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:11 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider > > Well geez, this is the 3rd time I've got it ! > > ...Wayne > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 1:21 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider >> >> >> >> This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jim Nichols >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM >> Subject: Garden Spider >> >> >> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before >> the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had >> taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I >> couldn't do much about the background because of the location. >> >> Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 10:39:09 2008 Received: (qmail 7365 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 08:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 08:39:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F086E2C30; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:47:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:47:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8551095CC for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7B6lcRe088613 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <489E1FC6.7090202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:47:44 -0700 Message-ID: <5A4F77E1DF2848DB87347C42A7F5D647@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj7QXXtsUKEbEXuQ6K5OAjX4+6n8wAPIp+A X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 10:39:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a14c2d271751993019900 I didn't see a pic of the male before, they are much smaller, and tasty, if they don't skedaddle after ensuring their kind will propagate. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:12 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Chuck, Thanks for looking. I swept the web aside so I could change out my rain guage, and, the next day, it was totally rebuilt. She was still there this morning, but her male companion is no longer around. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider >I don't know why you're apologizing for the background. Looks fine to > me. Besides, I wouldn't want to antagonize your friend there by > criticizing where he or she chooses to set up housekeeping. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this >> fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it >> would have been useless. >> >> Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. >> >> Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 10:50:27 2008 Received: (qmail 12806 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 08:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 08:50:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CB725696; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:33:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:33:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38D3EAB64 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:56:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.37.100] (r190-135-37-100.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.37.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7A8uAuQ002081 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:56:11 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.6.0/1602]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:56:21 -0300 Message-ID: <489EAD35.5010809@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:56:21 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] at last ! - the fog disappeared References: <798019.80395.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48938599.90602@gmail.com> <4899237F.2090809@adinet.com.uy> <489B572A.10200@gmail.com> <489D037D.8050608@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <489D037D.8050608@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 10:50:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a14ed3109331023412894 Well - at last !! Sent this one on 08/08/2008 23:39 ... Yes I posted through Nabble interface too, but messages telling that 'post still pending' kept coming and coming. Now I see your messages telling you were receiving them. Thank you all, and sorry for the inconvenience. Fernando. Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Hola Moose, everyone: > > Ha! - you bet !. > > Monitor re-calibrated, cold light source and loupe on the Provia. Now it > is as accurate as I can make it, regarding color. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/2744956403/sizes/o/ > > First version done at daylight, think this was main perceptive > distortion when judging the amount of blue. Made this second version > using color balance +20 Red, +20 Yellow IIRC. > > Still concerned about my off-list situation. As you see I got your reply > from the list, but my own tests don't come back. Please forward this one. > > Fernando. > > Moose wrote: > >> [snip] >>> >>> >>> >> Nice subject and composition. Could it really be that color? I've never >> seen such a color of cloud/fog. I would expect cloud seen from the >> direction of a low sun to be either neutral gray or slightly warm. >> >> >> Version B simply sets the open cloud area to neutral gray. >> Version A backs that off to retain a bit of blue in the water. >> >> Moose >> No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 09/08/2008 01:22 p.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 11:03:10 2008 Received: (qmail 32079 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 09:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 09:03:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AF6F8C51; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:23:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:23:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDE2F8D4A for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:19:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5E006AEJ543BK0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:19:52 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:17:22 -0300 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:20:10 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkUPAE/qnkgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBWYdQn2sD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,339,1215399600"; d="scan'208";a="292722792" References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 11:03:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a151ce147401585427447 Sounds like a nation that is Brown'ed out but that's surely better than being Bush'wacked :-) jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:36 AM Subject: [OM] you brits are pathetic... > > Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that revealed that > over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital cameras, and > don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, too, but > listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. > > You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV remote > control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! > > I sure feel better about myself! > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 11:55:44 2008 Received: (qmail 3360 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 09:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 09:55:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C967EF06F; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:51:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:51:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8ABE9CF96E for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:30:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 46387 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 13:30:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=VXYAQ+vOaXuz54n83YBBxJ5qceUqU49z8ls6NNB6dvhHMGLYWZ43CcjtgoYshJi7WRjWADpC3eJydXZz3S5anZlXqo5K5YjnuALlNwmVPZOBh+h3GtonFmoraEu8+zDDMgIbvhdVmaHW0tJKZGd2ziRlJEGQRCq38iWQxMD0Jjk=; Received: from [71.126.0.254] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:30:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Test---everything OK in Zuikoland? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8CAC64B0E6395BD-16C8-3D13@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <835904.45159.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 11:55:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a15e2061621470116606 Seems to be getting better. I have a bunch of messages coming through now. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, usher99@aol.com wrote: > From: usher99@aol.com > Subject: [OM] Test---everything OK in Zuikoland? > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:18 PM > Haven't seen a peep from the list since AM, no digest, > archive server > seems to be sick and nothing on nabble. > Perhaps a stat page to the list doctor is warranted? > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 14:27:08 2008 Received: (qmail 15406 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 12:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 12:27:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003E7FA73A; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:12:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:12:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (smtp-out-4.talktalk.net [62.24.128.234]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B03121D2 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:17:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmUCAA9loEhOlKW8/2dsb2JhbAAIgj8Xqi4 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.3]) ([78.148.165.188]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2008 00:17:45 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-Id: <6B5402B7-9A33-4379-AD3C-E25F90545ECA@talktalk.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <489F7A32.7040801@chucknorcutt.com> From: Ted & Kay Bradshaw Subject: [OM] Fwd: Re: Fw: Garden Spider Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:20:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: tedley@talktalk.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 14:27:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1819c69581702588592 Begin forwarded message: > From: Chuck Norcutt > Date: 11 August 2008 00:30:58 BDT > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider > Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > He's just really proud of that spider. I would be. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Well geez, this is the 3rd time I've got it ! >> >> ...Wayne >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >>> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 1:21 PM >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider >>> >>> >>> >>> This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jim Nichols >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM >>> Subject: Garden Spider >>> >>> >>> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before >>> the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had >>> taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I >>> couldn't do much about the background because of the location. >>> >>> Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider >>> +final.jpg.html >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 15:20:14 2008 Received: (qmail 68 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 13:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 13:20:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2463910755B; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2B8C475E for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:27:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2331 invoked by uid 502); 11 Aug 2008 06:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.186.181) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Aug 2008 06:26:59 -0000 Message-ID: <489FDBAE.6070506@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:26:54 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <489E1FC6.7090202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 15:20:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a18e0e258381702588592 Jim Nichols wrote: > .... She was still there this morning, but her male companion is no longer around. > Ever the way. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 15:49:50 2008 Received: (qmail 27244 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 13:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 13:49:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BF6E4858; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:49:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:49:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta-a2.tc.umn.edu (mta-a2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.206]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BA21184A8 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:51:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [216.243.164.113] (216-243-164-113.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.113]) by mta-a2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:51:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-164-113.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.113] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <48A0442D.4070803@tc.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:52:45 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: hanse112@tc.umn.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 15:49:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a194fe75661702588592 If Chuck and family haven't already gone past it, I'd recommend stopping at the Custer Battlefield. It's very interesting. If nothing else, it's a good reminder of what can result from letting a head-strong fool lead too few troops into someone elses homeland. US 212 goes over the Beartooth Pass, which is a bit over 10,000 feet elevation. Hope Chuck takes this route. In 1969, while doing research for my thesis, my wife and I stayed at a campgound by Island Lake, several miles to the west of the pass. I collected insects near Frozen Lake, which is just to the west of the pass. When I tried to identify one particular species back at the campground, I was at first sure I was somehow misinterpreting the identification key--the genus of small fly I was looking at had not been reported in North America south of tree line in the Canadian Arctic. Well, I wasn't misinterpreting anything--the country around the Beartooth Pass is, plant and animal-wise, much like the Canadian Arctic north of tree line. And here was this little fly, happy as a clam, 2,5000 miles south of its relatives. Get out and hike around a bit--it's a bit like being on Ellesmere, Baffin, or Devon Island. Wonderful place! Enjoy the sights! OM content: none. I was borrowing my father's Exacta VX IIa those 39 years ago. Dean ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 16:08:13 2008 Received: (qmail 30655 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 14:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 14:08:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECC52CF22; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:35:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:35:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (mail.bbp.ch [193.73.134.71]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6063D101624 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:12:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ronald.localdomain (unverified) by mailkeeper2.bbp.ch (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:12:22 +0200 Received: from ianwmac.local (unknown [172.22.111.60]) by ronald.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015775D05 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:12:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48A145E6.30209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:12:22 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic References: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> <000601c8fbae$f647c8c0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: <000601c8fbae$f647c8c0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 16:08:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1994d72031869477228 nope actually its to do with the new windoze tax, all governments are resurrecting this because they know the world will be going totally solar soon, originally as a softener they didn't want to add a full summer day because as this would be seen as an obvious tax increase, hence they choose a dull february day so it would go unoticed and now they will reuse this stealth for the new version :-) IanW - who is happy to admit he hasn't the foggiest idea how to operate one of the proper swiss coffee machines - though I can now manage the new capsule machine, I also don't know or care what all the buttons do on my remotes or phone. Bill Pearce wrote: > Perfectly logical but why can't we have the extra day in June when the > weather is better ? > > --Graham :-) > For the same reason that some think we should adopt the metric system. > > Bill Pearce > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 19:21:41 2008 Received: (qmail 541 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 17:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 17:21:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6588A1CCB; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:45:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:45:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF93DFE475 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7668 invoked by uid 502); 11 Aug 2008 03:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.162.49) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Aug 2008 03:48:27 -0000 Message-ID: <489FB685.5040907@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:48:21 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic References: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 19:21:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1c6a540862046811720 Gee Bee wrote: > ....... > Finally, by the time the fourth year rolls around, the calendar is off by 0.96876 days > > So an extra day is added to February to compensate for the 0.968760 day error that has accumulated in the calendar during those > four years > > Perfectly logical but why can't we have the extra day in June when the weather is better ? > It's designed to antipodians. To compensate for having to live their lives upside down. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 20:00:37 2008 Received: (qmail 19559 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 18:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:00:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6900C293D; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:03:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:03:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F36EFA82 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:13:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2986169rvb.29 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nOdcdP+cjYHJoyY7yJ4Evo89gzOqLaT+FeeBJy3i+IE=; b=KyVKwSCs5xNcBpi0pF3c4g1JgFyltzTvvHjeEjJ1gbELIJEeMO79TK0CBWBbp/SxZm W3XquhSJ1ciXzHO3B/IfhIvFrgsi2ncgCBoywwf04dDCIHvv9h8blUXVJaX4o9NU154a n/JDt8aqvKsUA/vu8aqX6o91Tb/rkJU68/XP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=CnE+WdLnA1KCqaz+B2Je8MSJoMfUPryaWSzwN4SRHi1LEup4TpGapQRskpQDlkbmHV bCe+5q9a4rD8lNUzAcvfsLVQKLtbfkCyHmJu78cV4h08KCS95Z81SyLWfytOb3QiyhLq H3VDsws2mpbaEX2IOo8k2BY2AIyzuaf0x3FPc= Received: by 10.141.49.6 with SMTP id b6mr2663857rvk.89.1218406398978; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.51.2 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60f983080808101513r683a5460ia6428f1b56d068fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:13:18 +0800 From: "Michael Wong" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Night Scene of Central of Hong Kong In-Reply-To: <489E2D00.4040300@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <60f983080808091220x76911635r6c01a993600c9836@mail.gmail.com> <489E2D00.4040300@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: mialop.wong@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 20:00:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1cfc526971529615919 Thanks, Chuck :-) --- Michael 2008/8/10 Chuck Norcutt > Very nice. I like the exposure. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Michael Wong wrote: > > First time to take night shots with my "new" TLR & my new exposure meter > --- > > Sekonic L308S, compact & very nice, pretty helpful. Much enjoy to watch > 6x6 > > slide film directly for night scene, 135 too small to be watched directly > > except with projector. > > > > Please click the centre of pictures to enlarge pictures to 800 x 800 > pixels. > > http://www.michaelphotography.net/Central_Night_Scene_120/index.html > > > > > > A funny in picture RolleiflexT0038, one was the highest building in HK > --- > > Jardine House (Circle windows one), one is the highest building in HK now > > --- IFC 2. > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 20:03:40 2008 Received: (qmail 24499 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 18:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:03:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F6CC3D51; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC97100D23 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:45:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:50101 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KS4gY-0006Du-4d (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:45:50 +0000 Message-Id: <17FC0607-94E2-4A57-B8F1-9404C4D418F8@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Berlin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?se=F1orita,?= or lens test of the 50-200mm Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:45:49 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 20:03:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1d07c120611234514069 A lens test this Thursday afternoon on Alexanderplatz in Berlin. I have just acquired the magnificent 50-200mm Olympus zoom. This is how I test lenses. http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#347983643_6rwrZ-O-LB This should also reassure those who expressed concern about my recent move to a house a bit further from the beach here in Alicante. Trust me, señoritas are everywhere! Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 20:13:57 2008 Received: (qmail 23664 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 18:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:13:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A371D3A08; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:30:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:30:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CD4A3A27 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:39:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E87461647 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:53:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <2F3F07F7-206D-4055-B3FC-06845C2DB981@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:39:47 +0100 References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 20:13:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1d2e5128483675314703 it looks very good to me, Jim. Chris On 7 Aug 2008, at 17:33, Jim Nichols wrote: > > I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that > this fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage > so that it would have been useless. > > Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. > > Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 22:51:06 2008 Received: (qmail 15787 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 20:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 20:51:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BCDE249; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E5382118138 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7592 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 13:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 13:47:17 -0000 In-Reply-To: <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:47:11 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 22:51:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1f7ba258831073733319 Er, the UK IS an oil producer. Well, the Scottish bit of it anyway. Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/08/2008, at 2:26 AM, Gordon Ross wrote: > -you only pick fights with oil producing countries. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 23:18:51 2008 Received: (qmail 9904 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEE41BC36; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FEB10FEA4 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:42:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2030 invoked by uid 504); 11 Aug 2008 10:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Aug 2008 10:42:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48A01786.8010204@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:42:14 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common References: <489E7297.5020100@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <489E7297.5020100@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 23:18:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1fe3b155043675314703 I did except for the first. The background and the foreground grasses have been improved but the foreground shrub has so much contrast that it's approaching black. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Tom Fenwick wrote: >> Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A bit of >> scrub with a complicated history! >> http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith >> > Oh dear, I've fallen to temptation again. Several images where I like > the subject and composition a lot. But the processing just wasn't ... > Moosey enough to really satisfy me. > > I hope you enjoy the alternate viewpoints. > > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 12 23:24:00 2008 Received: (qmail 15058 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 21:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 21:23:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2FD14057; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D03CA54F0 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:38:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080811143800.MAGZ4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:38:00 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 12dz1a00Y3Hz7l8022e093; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c8fc3d$f7bde100$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 12 23:24:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a1ff7077774673671140 But Gordon, it is said that Canada is the greatest exporter of oil to USA. Time to invade!! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... > > Note to Bill > > C'mon Bill - you need to stick to the great American traditions > > -you only pick fights with oil producing countries. > > anonymously sent by Gord, who is not from Alberta > > > On 10-Aug-08, at 2:36 AM, Bill Pearce wrote: > >> >> Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that >> revealed that >> over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital >> cameras, and >> don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, >> too, but >> listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. >> >> You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV >> remote >> control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! >> >> I sure feel better about myself! >> >> Bill Pearce >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 00:07:28 2008 Received: (qmail 7447 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 22:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 22:07:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800EE114FFF; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:34:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:34:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA293D0026 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01D.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BD17N8029823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:01:07 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BD15mq012452 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:01:06 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:01:05 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:01:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <489B8DD0.4030104@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience Thread-Index: Acj6umhOcWTNy2rhTZuFiKy8FEGBAQA97XpQ References: <489B8DD0.4030104@chucknorcutt.com> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 13:01:05.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[50AB4050:01C8FBB2] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110072 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110072 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 00:07:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a209a0290001838542571 Thanks Chuck. I hadn't thought about covering the holes when he camera is not in use. Might be a good place to store my chewing gum overnight instead of the bedpost. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:06 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience Since no one else has responded I'll tell you what little I know. I had a Wein cell once that came to me in a little Konica rangefinder. I never used it in the OM-1 and the Konica was quite dead otherwise. I don't know how long it would last in an OM-1 but I'm told that you can recover the activation holes and stop (I assume slowly) electricity generation to preserve the battery. I've seen Wein cells advertised as 1.35 volts which is the nominal voltage for a mercury cell but the Wein cell is zinc oxide whose nominal voltage (as in hearing aid cells) is 1.4 volts. Whether Wein actually does something to drop the voltage to 1.35 I don't know. I suspect it's really 1.4 like other zinc oxide cells. Buy some cheap hearing aid batteries and then you won't care how long it lasts. :-) Chuck Norcutt Geilfuss Charles wrote: > Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long > do they typically last once activated? > > > > TIA, > > Charlie > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 00:23:05 2008 Received: (qmail 21918 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 22:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 22:23:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81228117B0A; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cerebus.winsite.com (cerebus.winsite.com [199.26.180.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A14CA31F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:03:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local (pool-96-230-117-175.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net [96.230.117.175]) by cerebus.winsite.com (8.14.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id m7CD3dEL018169 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:03:39 -0400 Message-ID: <48A18A26.4060808@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:03:34 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: ML Motorsports User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 00:23:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a20d49107561591313764 Willie Wonka wrote: > So, whats the story...? I am thinking that there are several > plausible explanations and all of them have sompin to do with > processing within the machine. First comes to mind size and second > noise in crappy digicams, third-sharpening and noise. > > I have no idea how this urban legend was started...it is an urban > legend, right? > Unless it's something to do with the data path in their machine, the file on the nerd chip is identical to the file on the flash drive. Bits is bits. So, it's most likely the clerk spouting some rumour she read on the internet or heard from some "knowledgeable" customer, and taking the opportunity to show you what an authority she is. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 00:40:25 2008 Received: (qmail 9716 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 22:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 22:40:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D23EBED9; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFCFDF08A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:33:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1500950yxj.89 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:33:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u95QAC1brqN474dSaYZfe9mEL0Q5IxLZrp1tdYuvY+M=; b=WpWk1APAdvZ3GFTt4BCL/MQ1/f2YQ4hUjs/FEyK8HypE8SqF/B/mzvry0CvO7XEenK uVCdC9l6+lmCeaPDqCW/T2FX94lafNBBPdss9qVC6Abqi9dh7vENzMAY4qg1qHrhC/0R XsnMXbEQzZfA/DhK+XQM7NjVrNqaLWgpp9yXE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Tt7kcW2iJ9DXdZv3cftCeum5kPHI/0Uj1MLnztkryLE7Vjm+G6UjbftHe/eIyyJ20B 8SFVS/+KvYd+8ykFHzNN79DGRp4jltaZkqG6zNSkrAkBq9ztrGkwaQsciSWcZgRsb7il oZhGR5EOSedgEtU9lujsrsiMopYMY0s3yjuZo= Received: by 10.114.131.9 with SMTP id e9mr4168132wad.200.1218497619006; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l28sm2707279waf.5.2008.08.11.16.33.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A0CC4F.8040800@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:33:35 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] GMail (OT) (was: Garden Spider) References: <489F4EB3.5090009@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <489F4EB3.5090009@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 00:40:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a21159171451342116753 Moose wrote: > ... > Hmmmm. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I use > gmail as my outgoing mail server. It might be saving me from > receiving messages from myself? The last time I looked (a couple of years ago, maybe?) this particular idiosyncrasy that occurs using gmail (that is, not receiving your own listmail posts back from the list) was being filed by Google in the "It's not a bug; it's a feature" category, with the addendum that they "might have a look at it some time though". I'm paraphrasing, of course, though I would suggest that, for the latter, Google is waiting on independently verifiable evidence of the autonomous aerodynamic abilities of pre-bacon. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 00:52:52 2008 Received: (qmail 7875 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2008 22:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 22:52:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8460ED7128; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:07:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:07:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay00-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EC5FE45D for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 18.red-81-35-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([81.35.77.18]:49799 helo=[192.168.1.35]) by relay00-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.30]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KSlxp-0008Hy-1f (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:58:34 +0000 Message-Id: <64AE6F3D-CE63-4198-BDB5-276F7D34CCBF@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <489EEB56.7020708@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Nathan's PAD 7th Augus t 2008: Berli n =?ISO-8859-1?Q?se=F1orita?= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:58:31 +0200 References: <489EEB56.7020708@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 00:52:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a21444125182070262475 Well, I do like my lenses sharp :-) Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I see that your objective is to see how many freckles you can count. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> A lens test this Thursday afternoon on Alexanderplatz in Berlin. I >> have just acquired the magnificent 50-200mm Olympus zoom. This is how >> I test lenses. >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#347983643_6rwrZ-O-LB >> >> This should also reassure those who expressed concern about my recent >> move to a house a bit further from the beach here in Alicante. Trust >> me, señoritas are everywhere! >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 04:09:34 2008 Received: (qmail 13327 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 02:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:09:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95054110A40; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:34:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:34:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597C8EFBC7 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:58:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.59.195]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5F00L71QL9REWA@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:58:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:58:30 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider In-reply-to: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 04:09:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2425e140831869477228 Man, that is a monster spider. Nice shot. On a side note....uh...very slow list weekend? Received less than 10 emails? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that > this fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage > so that it would have been useless. > > Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. > > Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > > Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 04:33:14 2008 Received: (qmail 6229 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 02:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:33:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A1BD286C; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E24E0108 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:57:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19565 invoked by uid 502); 12 Aug 2008 03:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.194.61) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 03:57:17 -0000 Message-ID: <48A10A0A.3080701@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:56:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 04:33:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a247ea102861702588592 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Flash Is Evil > I'd like to agree wholeheartedly. I certainly don't like the look of on-camera flash, and am not patient enough for, nor really interested in, multiple off camera flashes. I'll go to considerable lengths to avoid flash. Sometimes, thought, it's the only tool for the job. Sitting around at kiddie bedtime in a darkish room, with people, especially one of the subjects, who move about quickly and often, flash is one answer. I suppose the 5D with a fast lens might have worked with a lot of shots to end up with some keepers. Room lighting was pretty uneven, but it might have worked out. But you know what? I don't usually carry that kind of gear on a casual visit where the real purpose is social and there are kids to help with - kids with fast hands. :-) I had one kid sitting on each side of me at the restaurant. Just eating and keeping up with the little ones was enough to do there. I don't know if you remember the images of another friend's graduation from Seminary. Another case where I think flash was simply required for most of the subjects and situations. Lets hope for a Micro 4/3 with something like a tiny 15-40/1.4-2.0 ..... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 04:54:38 2008 Received: (qmail 26293 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 02:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:54:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BCFF5467; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:38:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:38:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE031102F80 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:05:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7B25X2D029997 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:05:34 +1000 Message-Id: <200808110205.m7B25X2D029997@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:05:33 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:05:33 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 04:54:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a24cee126811529615919 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > We'll probably find it in > the flash card slots as well. :-) > Those electrons just aren't slippery enough without some lubrication. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 05:25:13 2008 Received: (qmail 8808 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 03:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 03:25:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4A31F0F; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528D9FB11A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:24:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30471 invoked by uid 502); 12 Aug 2008 03:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.175.207) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 03:24:32 -0000 Message-ID: <48A10263.8000708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:24:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: polarized skies References: <489E5DA2.5030502@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <489E5DA2.5030502@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 05:25:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a25419233811023412894 Mike wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations for an application/plugin that will even out the color of polarized skies with the click of a button. ..... > Ooooh, I'd like that too! > right, OK then how about describing a PS2 work flow for accomplishing same without too much trouble and without ending up with a plastic sky. > First a truism about PS, skies and polarizers. It's much quicker and easier to achieve the polarizer look in PS on shots taken without one than to correct image problems arising from shooting with one. For me, polarizers are now for taming reflections and seeing through water/glass, not for skies and increasing saturation. I haven't used a polarizer for skies in ages, so I don't have any examples at hand. I do have my share of super wide shots where one side is brighter than the other to a greater extent than I would like and those with one of both upper corners of sky too dark. I've tried several processing procedures for these. - For modest differences and areas, simple techniques like artful dodging or creating a layer that is brighter overall and blending it in with mask painting can work well. They do depend on some eye-hand dexterity. - Gradients have always seemed to me the obvious solution. However, I have found that approach to have drawbacks I have yet to get around. It works well for blank sky, giving a result that doesn't go so far toward tonal uniformity as simply filling the whole sky with the same color. It does take a bit or practice and trial and error, at least for me, to get the right result, but it's fast and easy to apply. With clouds, though, it damps down the cloud in the affected area in ways that I don't like. - I've had some success using vignetting compensation, either in ACR or PTLens. Even where the problem is only on one side, two layers, one with vignetting compensation, and one without, may be blended pretty easily. This image illustrates the processes and differences. 1. No polarizer, but a 17mm lens with the sun barely out of the image. This is more effect than this lens by itself in other situations. Natural polarization? 2. I applied the gradient tool to each corner. It lightens, but reduces contrast, losing cloud detail. 3. Reduced the layer to 50% opacity. It brings the clouds partway back, but leaves slightly dark corners. 4. Vignetting correction with PTLens evens up the far corners. 5. When LCE and curves are used, their effect is very uneven, only having full effect in the central area and overdoing the corners. 6. Strong vignetting correction applied in ACR. I overdid it a bit, but decreasing layer opacity easily corrects that. 7. LCE and Curves apply evenly. Compared to #5, the centers are very similar, but sky and clouds go all soft and flat moving towards the corners. If you look at this compared to the others, flipping back and forth, it may look overcooked. Try just leaving it up for a while, do something else, then look at it again. If you have an image suffering from this affliction, I'd be happy to take a shot at it. If it works, I'll let you know what I did. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 06:21:17 2008 Received: (qmail 27006 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 04:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 04:21:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3D81173C3; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D39116765 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:16:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BDGHF0012245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:16:17 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BDGDCr023225 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:16:17 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:16:16 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Cards Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c8fadd$cf214680$0601010a@meo.dec.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Cards Thread-Index: Acj61uTh/tOHEkvJQom12QV5862wZQABr/vgADWokuA= References: <001301c8fadd$cf214680$0601010a@meo.dec.com> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 13:16:16.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FCB2B10:01C8FBB4] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110072 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110072 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 06:21:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2613d74737350615338 Add my C700 UZ to the challenge. Perhaps Olaf will dedicate a TOPE to IR. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wayne Harridge Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:40 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Cards > > Anyone got any spare Smartmedia cards they don't need? > I just bought a C-2020Z to play with IR and while it cmes with a > card, I wouldn't mind a few more. > Little buggers are getting tough to find. > Andrew Fildes I can see we'll have to have an IR shootout C-2020Z vs C-2100UZ ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 06:24:10 2008 Received: (qmail 26378 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 04:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 04:24:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04F5E9C6F; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06FAE5CFC for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3A7C9729 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:37:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4AE9C03A-14F2-408A-AEE9-21971D52C5C1@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:22:49 +0100 References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 06:24:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a261ea184585368819438 Hmm, I don't believe that "petulant" describes my, errm, surprise at the authority some give "facts" on the www, or in the press. Gadgets should have instructions only to back up well-designed functionality. I have just bought 2 digital immersion heater timers to get rid of the noise that the analogue 24hr gizmos made. I have read the instructions and set the times, but I keep having to go back to the instructions because the system is so badly designed. The same goes for setting the time on our cooker: the functionality is just not intuitive. I save worrying about it on our microwave by switching it off at the plug when it's not in use -- saves energy as well ... That's one reason that I don't trust GM food: if engineers can't get electronic gadgets right, why should I trust other engineers to modify the genes at minimum risk? Chris On 10 Aug 2008, at 12:45, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > That's a bit petulant - clearly Reevoo.com are a respected academic > source and I'm sure that their interviewers were well trained, their > interview schedules free of any possibility of generating minor > invalidities and inaccuracies and their sample of 2000 respondents > was properly randomised and structured (no, not contradictory). > Beyond that, it has the grim ring of plausibility to it. > Andrew Fildes (former market research interviewer - hey, we can't all > put ourselves through university by more legitimate work like table > top dancing). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 06:30:11 2008 Received: (qmail 30624 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 04:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 04:30:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BAA267A5; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:09:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:09:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE26C7E6F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:06:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7B16H0b032284 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:06:18 +1000 Message-Id: <200808110106.m7B16H0b032284@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:06:17 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:06:17 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 06:30:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a26353191541470116606 ...and delivery of my message via the list - 14 hours later ! > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > Well geez, this is the 3rd time I've got it ! > > ...Wayne > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols > > Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 1:21 PM > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider > > > > > > > > This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. > > > > Jim Nichols > > Tullahoma, TN USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Nichols > > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM > > Subject: Garden Spider > > > > > > This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before > > the forecast shower, and found that this garden spider had > > taken over the area, sheltering the gauge with its web. I > > couldn't do much about the background because of the location. > > > > Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. > > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > > > Jim Nichols > > Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 06:43:28 2008 Received: (qmail 21741 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 04:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 04:43:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14AF103180; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:03:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:03:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490CE1102D6 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:29:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7C5TuYW032749 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:30:03 -0700 Message-ID: <111E0897344149129F7635EB6236B154@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj8OWZRLeDNw0ZNSXCRM4kox4Z8JgAAvc3Q X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 06:43:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a26670274391257536491 The legend comes from Windows asking you if you want to resize them for easy transfer. Some have settings that do it without asking. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Willie Wonka Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:10 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Going back to the old country in two days and as part of gifts for friends, I decided to bring a few prints.   I brought my pictures on a thumbdrive to the photo center at Walmart and before started to print,  was approached by the girl working there, and told that "pictures that come off flash drives come out grainy on 8x10, it has something to do with how many times picture is transfered through different devices...It is best if you print straight out of the camera card"   Being an adventurous guy and having hard time believing, I stuck the nerd chip (there is some slango for ya...), and went tthrough the process...Ten minutes later, I returned and she greeted me with a smile saying:  "I think I know which picture is yours and it did not turn grainy..."   So, whats the story...?  I am thinking that there are several plausible explanations and all of them have sompin to do with processing within the machine.  First comes to mind size and second noise in crappy digicams, third-sharpening and noise.   I have no idea how this urban legend was started...it is an urban legend, right?   Boris   P.S.  My picture was saved in  .tiff and .jpeg formats.  I printed ot of the tiff... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 07:08:25 2008 Received: (qmail 32381 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 05:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 05:08:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37542415E; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:18:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F60F2653C for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:26:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29595 invoked by uid 504); 11 Aug 2008 23:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Aug 2008 23:26:05 -0000 Message-ID: <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:26:05 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> In-Reply-To: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 07:08:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a26c49146622070262475 I'm quite sure there is a glut of 35mm lenses. It's just that there isn't a glut of 24/2, 50/2 and 85/2. And KEH charges a high premium for lenses in exceptional condition in order to take advantage of the collector... and sentimentalist market. KEH BGN grade is still pretty good if you just want a shooting kit. Chuck Norcutt William Sommerwerck wrote: > > I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for > general photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old > carrying case *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 > macro, and 85/2, in really good shape. > > The problem (outside of the fact I don't immediately have the money), > is that these lenses (at least at KEH) are rather pricey (at least > those in EX or better condition). Isn't there supposed to be a glut > of 35mm lenses? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 07:33:56 2008 Received: (qmail 23134 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 05:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 05:33:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5050D6397; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:12:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:12:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD913F9182 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.63.238] (r190-135-63-238.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.63.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7B0B2nU019520; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:11:03 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.6.0/1603]); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:11:02 -0300 Message-ID: <489F8396.50201@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:11:02 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Moose Subject: [OM] Re: test References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <489DD570.6000804@adinet.com.uy> <489E495C.40400@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <489E495C.40400@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 07:33:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a27244141831993019900 4 vbvbnvbnvbnvnvr yqezdfbsdfbdetr sertawert aergvert What I am observing is that email from the list enter my Inbox at any time, and they are then ordered by the time they were sent (my option was to order them that way) - so email sent several hours before are reaching and marked as new but are to be found down in the list, as the most recent are set to be on top of it. x, y, z. The characters above are from wolfram Mathematica - just for fun I'd like to see how will they be substituted. ;-) Fernando. Moose wrote: > y > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> x >> >> > Y not? > > Confuzlemoose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1603 - Release Date: 10/08/2008 06:13 p.m. > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1603 - Release Date: 10/08/2008 06:13 p.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 08:36:53 2008 Received: (qmail 24935 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 06:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 06:36:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95E7CCCDC; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:16:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:16:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F305112538 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so1670817wra.17 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:50:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ugkpmEvLKUZVxLq2RSCeDEF1A8yeX6KjfH2GrCOdlO8=; b=W1WpMixi2N3Zljlz1Es4SrvKe8UUESa5lE6muIzM2qn2KFqwN0/1a3TT7LUV8PsIre dBtetyIKwDjRFAsmVrTr5+KSmW1Pb6+0LCZMxnGI9waWBozayRpxfK81xAyMp3w3G3+C XN+5OoDLkOfWWXDFPwue5spMSQyZhpYRuTOLY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VEiR7r0/1doRRXbU3uZNEa/32kiQX7uvxFBO5fbb5WTeUE0r34T7vV5QSDyL1FYPyr IEOhzrH95UctJTjk7eD/BrD9SznyYdA7WVzjT7lRvg43J5imvNtcOOOLBu40VVUvdL8l X862TWi6PDQHQWcC1zs4+pu6Jsa8HZ5xcQo5A= Received: by 10.90.52.1 with SMTP id z1mr1217368agz.112.1218455430864; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:50:30 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone In-Reply-To: <489ECDF3.5020904@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <489ECDF3.5020904@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 08:36:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a28105280349347015869 What about this itinerary? On the way in Lamar Valley for bears and wolves (if you are lucky). Then westward to Mammoth Hot Springs and perhaps a stay in Gardiner. Go south through Norris Geyser Basin, Monument Geyser Basin, Lower Geyser Basin, Grand Prismatic Spring, Upper Geyser Basin, Black Sand Basin, and Old Faithful, of course. Finally east to the West Thumb Basin and north to Yellowstone Falls. This leaves you in the middle of the park but which exit are you taking? As for where to stay, if you are traveling in the summer, it will be difficult to get a hotel in West Yellowstone and we ended up staying in Gardiner the whole time. Here are some pics I took. I used the 8mm a lot to get the pools. http://www.120scan.us/i/YStone/album/index.html Warren PS. Have fun--one of the most beautiful areas of the world. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Resending. This one appears to have gotten lost in the ether. > ------------ > > Anyone have specific recommendations for visiting Yellowstone? I'll be > approaching from the east. Probably coming from Route 212 which I'm > told is a must see. What to see and where to stay in only a couple of days. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 09:53:26 2008 Received: (qmail 16763 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 07:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 07:53:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0A5D186F; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (mail.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us [66.116.71.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF80DAE11 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.222] (unknown [192.168.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A0BB107800F for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider From: Scott Gomez To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Scott Gomez Consulting Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:09:27 -0700 Message-Id: <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scott@petroglyph.crestline.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 09:53:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a292f6214321744846740 Argiope aurantia, I believe. Also known as the "golden orb weaver" or "garden spider". On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 23:25 -0700, Scott Peden wrote: > Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web is > the giveaway. --- Scott Gomez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 11:14:07 2008 Received: (qmail 8311 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 09:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 09:14:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F3A3FBBE; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:12:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:12:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD62345A3 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:47:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20641 invoked by uid 502); 12 Aug 2008 16:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.174.140) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 16:47:35 -0000 Message-ID: <48A1BE9A.8080500@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:47:22 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 4GB Lexar 133X CF for $29.95 at Adorama References: <20080809014903.CC4BBD1511@ml.free.fr> <574FC94F-A5B5-4096-AE34-504F3C944F8D@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <574FC94F-A5B5-4096-AE34-504F3C944F8D@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 11:14:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2a5df318331342116753 Jan Steinman wrote: > Ugh. Mail-in rebate. I don't do those any more. > Your choice, and expense. I won't mess with the penny ante ones. However, I find some worth the trouble to fill out and the cost of a stamp. I bought three SanDisk 4 GB Extreme III SDHC cards, each with a USB reader, which it turns out I needed, as the SD readers on my desktop and the multi-card reader I use for the notebook don't recognize SDHC. Price, $150, rebate $110, net cost, $13.33 each. The rebate was only good at B&H, but that's no problem for me; lots of stuff on my wish list. I have some nice stuff coming from B&H from the mail-in rebate. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 11:23:26 2008 Received: (qmail 30678 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 09:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 09:23:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB09188B5; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:03:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:03:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3FCFD3AA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:17:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080811011744.INFW18077.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:17:44 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0pHl1a0013Hz7l802pHl2q; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c8fbce$2be91730$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <489ECDF3.5020904@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:20:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 11:23:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2a80e73111257536491 I have a friend that sent to one of the National Parks in that area, and noted that there were no lines, and you didn't need reservations for campsites or anything. Something good comes of high gas prices. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 12:05:21 2008 Received: (qmail 9661 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 10:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 10:05:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2A927032; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C21625636 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:27:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5153 invoked by uid 504); 12 Aug 2008 12:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 12:27:18 -0000 Message-ID: <48A181A6.10206@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:27:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> <45E3F219-B149-4FD6-AFE2-3A23ACB9312A@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <45E3F219-B149-4FD6-AFE2-3A23ACB9312A@mac.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 12:05:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2b1e1303694673671140 I don't know of any pop-up flashes designed to withstand a twist. Or was it your intention to get rid of the "evil" flash? Chuck Norcutt Gordon Ross wrote: > Hi Chuck: > > If you grasp the pop up flash between your thumb and forefinger - pull > back - and twist - then you don't need a saucer. > > Gord > > On 7-Aug-08, at 6:06 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Got an on-camera pop-up flash? They're generally pretty useless but >> here's a nice tip for putting it to good use. >> >> >> Dr. Flash ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 12:13:48 2008 Received: (qmail 23072 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 10:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 10:13:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0E1D30E7; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:16:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:15:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208AD108B8D for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.10.27] (r190-135-10-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.10.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7C3YxgR027379 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:34:59 -0300 Message-ID: <48A104E4.20203@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:35:00 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: polarized skies References: <489E5DA2.5030502@interisland.net> <489EEA2E.4030800@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489EEA2E.4030800@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 12:13:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2b3dc233982070262475 you both will drive me mad ... :) Fernando. (who loves uneven polarized skies.... ) Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But > it's the simplest solution I can think of. > > I'll be anxiously awaiting your report on results. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Mike wrote: > >> I'm looking for recommendations for an application/plugin that will even >> out the color of polarized skies with the click of a button. ..... >> right, OK then how about describing a PS2 work flow for accomplishing >> same without too much trouble and without ending up with a plastic sky. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 12:35:34 2008 Received: (qmail 31780 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 10:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 10:35:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2B3D1EA8; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:19:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:19:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649AE111052 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so252774wah.17 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.13 with SMTP id y13mr4601339wad.148.1218540156408; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.199.10 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f07ac840808120422l4cd32fe3laa2c02c068702f6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:22:36 +0200 From: "Jez Cunningham" Sender: jez.cunningham@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider In-Reply-To: <5A4F77E1DF2848DB87347C42A7F5D647@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <489E1FC6.7090202@chucknorcutt.com> <5A4F77E1DF2848DB87347C42A7F5D647@Alaisdairthree> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 473b2e79121ba81f X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jez@cunningham.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 12:35:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2b8f6306961838542571 Hmm - not my taste thanks... On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Scott Peden wrote: > > I didn't see a pic of the male before, they are much smaller, and tasty ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 12:59:06 2008 Received: (qmail 8584 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 10:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 10:59:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140B9D0D0; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:19:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:19:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8742EF89BB for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:30:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 24006 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 20:30:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=G1Ka6r0W26R0LG4SerzJaiAoT5uJ2l9mUgXljWCiKvH+EEPRP/hlI2eDrUzVgNNbroVDdgxC0kWZRpmYZomu10Zu5BD9ViN4zUpy0ydDn6wXVKIhFZNBMwdQ3cF/FTUE5jZNB8dXCpBBSa/WOmeVCxn3IEFGnbpPq0EDHD+j8tE=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:30:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <22907.23848.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 12:59:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2be7a159931342116753 ...and to think that you can actually buy contraptions to re-direct/bounce your on-board camera flash!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 13:48:22 2008 Received: (qmail 8263 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 11:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 11:48:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E2CE0323; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EAAEC55D for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:28:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080811222833H04009io2me>; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:28:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <46AF6546B3C140039502BB080FA29011@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <489F4EB3.5090009@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:28:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 13:48:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2ca0641781470116606 Moose, Thanks. Everything seems to be back to normal now. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider > Jim Nichols wrote: >> This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. >> > I received all three, Jim, although the first may have been delayed in > the temporary time warp. > > If you are not receiving your own posts to the list, but are receiving > all others, it could be something to do with your mail ISP. > > When I switched to gmail, I was receiving all posts. After several > months, I stopped receiving my own posts. I never did figure out why. I > subscribe on two different email servers, and my posts continue to come > through on the other one. > > Strange things happen out in the internet. > > Hmmmm. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I use gmail > as my outgoing mail server. It might be saving me from receiving > messages from myself? > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 14:11:42 2008 Received: (qmail 31200 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 12:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 12:11:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C7CFB842; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:27:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:27:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C75F0DFA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.23.21] (r190-135-23-21.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.23.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7B53vht001166; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:04:09 -0300 Message-ID: <489FC83D.6020602@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:03:57 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Chuck Norcutt , Moose Subject: [OM] Re: Fw: Garden Spider References: <489EED17.6080004@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <489EED17.6080004@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 14:11:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2cf7e267761744846740 That's exactly the same to what's happening to me - couldn't find the exact words: 'not in a timely manner'. Wrote to Moose trying to explain that, but I suspect I could not explain myself clearly enough. Also, I think Scott Peden has the clue ... :) Beautiful arthropod, Jim - never saw one like this. It may deserve a macro DZ - ;) Cheers, Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > To me too but not necessarily in a timely manner. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Darin wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> >> FYI, all 3 trys have made it to me. Can't speak for everyone else. >> >> Darin >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Nichols" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 PM >> Subject: [OM] Fw: Garden Spider >> >> >> >>> This is my 3rd try to get to the OM list with this. No luck so far. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jim Nichols >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:47 PM >>> Subject: Garden Spider >>> >>> >>> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast >>> shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, >>> sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the >>> background because of the location. >>> >>> Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 >>> 1:22 PM >>> >>> >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM >> >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1603 - Release Date: 10/08/2008 06:13 p.m. > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 14:13:40 2008 Received: (qmail 12983 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 12:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 12:13:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28586E912B; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:41:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:41:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1A73CA59 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:55:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1332548nfi.19 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:55:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=gxA+BP5T3xqE0zJFQ3Dk7sQ/gCQeGIrWRq0PB51ORPc=; b=eZE3q0uTx0StRXqzz8hZpwBqy39ZbVzFtq+HjuAFvi0iTB3DznMRkUeZR8bgOOAJbN dYc3kbCEuXWkWsLjcou0yJVWgdF+So903ZNKDvCnN2MoYCRqPgSsYZI0KCdWU0mh/L4m N8qFXbb/UdCPV7WGiRVKb5qmsFel0jBRkXk9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=WTpi9CXIZQANGL1r2kEScVF5OrEun5qPoMsgqLCsFZ+u4f/NDi4kmmqEezlCpkZm2y js1ItbbtLPyK+OEUDNk6bf4QjEGXmnfgu9pGfoRbSczKUmF0ibob1fol65fBlNvxnd/O LTYnOwikcZdOuWqM/cTDsviv0b63MUauGh2Fc= Received: by 10.210.58.13 with SMTP id g13mr10803876eba.144.1218570921326; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:55:21 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common In-Reply-To: <489E7297.5020100@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <489E7297.5020100@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 14:13:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2cff4136911073733319 I do appreciate these versions - nice work. I stop where I stop, although I might start going a bit further now you can do local corrections in lightroom... Either way, it's good to see your interpretations again; thanks! Tom 2008/8/10 Moose > Tom Fenwick wrote: > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A bit > of > > scrub with a complicated history! > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > > > Oh dear, I've fallen to temptation again. Several images where I like > the subject and composition a lot. But the processing just wasn't ... > Moosey enough to really satisfy me. > > I hope you enjoy the alternate viewpoints. > < > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=Others/Fenwick/Skipwith > > > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 14:30:29 2008 Received: (qmail 28372 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 12:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 12:30:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D403E743; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:23:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:23:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656F8F26A6 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5G00K8COZLGUO0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:21:21 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:19:16 -0300 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:21:40 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <4885D69D757B42EBB0E32CD5F7B041D6@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiEOAJpzoEgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBWYdTo2AD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,192,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="282265024" References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 14:30:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2d3e593331023412894 William provokes an interesting thought. The E510 / E3 cameras are wunderbricks and especially so when coupled up with a 12-60 or a 14-54 as a "standard" walk around lens. When abouts, if ever, will the elegence of 10-15-20mp digital be slimmed down to the size of an OM4T with a 50/1.4 or 85/2 up front? My E510 with a 12-60 up front has the resonance of an H1 Hummer on a neck strap.................... can you image Cartier Bresson with such bulk around his neck ? A digital sized OM4T or M3 / M6 would be a huge treat ! How many years will this person have to wait to unload his wunderbrick? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Sommerwerck" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [OM] putting together a "souvenir" system > > This is likely premature, but it probably can't hurt. > > Several years ago, being nearly dead-broke, I was obliged to sell off my > OM system. (The only significant items remaining are a champagne OM-4T > body, the 280 flash, the auto-focus 35-70 lens, and a complete set of > focusing screens, mostly unused.) > > The OM is unquestionably one of the great 35mm cameras. Olympus's attempt > to create an "SLR Leica" was largely successful. (It's richly comic for > Olympus to play up the extreme compactness of their smaller DSLRs. Their > writer has likely never seen an OM and its lenses.) > > I've switched to Canon, so there's no practical need to retain any OM > equipment. But I have a strong attachment to the OM system, both > sentimental and technological. > > I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for general > photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old carrying case > *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 macro, and 85/2, in > really good shape. > > The problem (outside of the fact I don't immediately have the money), is > that these lenses (at least at KEH) are rather pricey (at least those in > EX or better condition). Isn't there supposed to be a glut of 35mm lenses? > > I probably won't have the money until the middle of next year, but I'd be > curious to hear any thoughts on this subject. Is anyone else out there > doing anything like this? > > PS: If anyone wants the focusing screens, they're still available as a > complete set. > > * When I worked for Bendix, I carried a _complete_ OM system in a Really > Tiny case, one that today would hold little more than a high-res DSLR > _body_ (sans lens). > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 14:55:02 2008 Received: (qmail 24831 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 12:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 12:55:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C3D39EBA; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:53:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:53:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.180]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6426D6479 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:53:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so3475926ika.1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:53:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+2I0eBTZkatJ26q3mZlV/v8H/26feIW85XSdSM8aCc8=; b=oRH2geU5KcXw3gB4rY0rzCdN0nPfrrr+QyfX5r8fuBDhUZ71GIQcKETA6oeTnD8TG2 SZ4MjHpUxTA5LJ0/6BX8HjjbpdBPXFHmGAHBGWT/0NB6LxJRy1N3OPAXBV0Ym1UwWTcc tu0/lNNqqTemDXU3oqkxubiAAE9Kx+kOwSeIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=hQRWqXyyiQGSHedit2QmJcPpkL+b+s+t00LKNhsjXlMBRvw2YxNR6+2LOT2Nj3ieUh 2wTpnCzRr3dHKAlWAMrQ02bgEuF5QmgqPCuf2op5YmhnKi/fGrl36L9SlBpf/Kt5Qsih wRfpaFSDR+azsnzVUCFcBCxbmrDLDeY7H8y8E= Received: by 10.210.26.10 with SMTP id 10mr10828914ebz.63.1218570786389; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:53:06 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 14:55:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2d9a635214673671140 Yes - all 12-60 in that pile. Thanks for looking! Tom 2008/8/9 Scott Peden > > How wonderful! > > I'm still reflecting on the mirror images in the water...... > > E-3 and what lens, 12-60? > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Wayne Harridge > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:44 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common > > > > > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common > > pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > > > > Nice ! > > I particularly like P7274976.jpg and P7274968.jpg > > ...Wayne > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 14:56:12 2008 Received: (qmail 29490 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 12:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 12:56:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377DEF1D53; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:14:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:14:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (smtp-out-4.talktalk.net [62.24.128.234]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767258A671 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:24:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0CAFywn0hOlKW8/2dsb2JhbAAIgj8Xpnc Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.3]) ([78.148.165.188]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 11 Aug 2008 11:24:44 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-Id: <5F53CC38-6336-47C5-9597-3A28B94956D5@talktalk.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: From: Ted & Kay Bradshaw Subject: [OM] Fwd: Re: Cards Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:27:04 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: tedley@talktalk.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 14:56:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a2d9ec140621702588592 Begin forwarded message: > From: Michael Collins > Date: 10 August 2008 12:32:32 BDT > To: > Subject: [OM] Re: Cards > Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > I have several (at least one 128K - I'm looking for the rest), and > no use > for them. Let me know your address, and I'll get them in the post > to you. > > Michael > > On 8/9/08 8:21 PM, "Andrew Fildes" wrote: > >> >> Anyone got any spare Smartmedia cards they don't need? >> I just bought a C-2020Z to play with IR and while it cmes with a >> card, I wouldn't mind a few more. >> Little buggers are getting tough to find. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 18:02:53 2008 Received: (qmail 29477 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CC0FB998; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:04:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:04:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B721C8A8A1 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F19C96FF for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:51:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A18A26.4060808@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:36:52 +0100 References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A18A26.4060808@ctgonline.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 18:02:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a305ad17551073733319 It's probably to do with people who have downloaded images as jpegs to a computer then re-saved them to another medium like a USB memory stick. Repeated JPEG compression degrades the quality. Chris On 12 Aug 2008, at 14:03, Paul Braun wrote: > Willie Wonka wrote: >> So, whats the story...? I am thinking that there are several >> plausible explanations and all of them have sompin to do with >> processing within the machine. First comes to mind size and second >> noise in crappy digicams, third-sharpening and noise. >> >> I have no idea how this urban legend was started...it is an urban >> legend, right? >> > Unless it's something to do with the data path in their machine, the > file on the nerd chip is identical to the file on the flash drive. > Bits > is bits. > > So, it's most likely the clerk spouting some rumour she read on the > internet or heard from some "knowledgeable" customer, and taking the > opportunity to show you what an authority she is. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 18:19:08 2008 Received: (qmail 154 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 16:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 16:19:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A69C7069; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9FB110BAE for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so1959028fgb.11 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:47:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Nx7N1HxM0q9UmHt8SupuyDyUfgDdVZtw63H1if51Dbc=; b=Xt4RlQtdiT7w5IS/qPVjr84fAB1wkFGWgW1Ctpl/A92DzBXNY7Nm2pbef7nyrS0CE5 uPvwbEdQ+UYDDn3NXrwmnLVYUenTNoI9Isl7GukUYswHVWf9CKirnwy72drwXYcS08e6 AxR0hRR6zQu4nXY50T//qyDxT41M1I9MHgi4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=o5Fqz4LMyFg3cPcFTEbrhPNuiTMO0sg7lc5DZAl1D7FOV7o/uBXBKCXuXURPokzty2 ImWsduMRcxws9ffeUEmmmvzxZ7tYBYh++M5jkfrvaNxrwqXAoj+pMhDC39rYU6FJEdGG HANk/lITPkuoZMDEUcUx5V8DfdVFg++wc1VOs= Received: by 10.187.157.14 with SMTP id j14mr1070164fao.10.1218617250024; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.168.8 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:47:29 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: GMail (OT) (was: Garden Spider) In-Reply-To: <48A0CC4F.8040800@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <489F4EB3.5090009@gmail.com> <48A0CC4F.8040800@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 18:19:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3097c247821702588592 2008/8/12 montsnmags@gmail.com : > The last time I looked (a couple of years ago, maybe?) this particular > idiosyncrasy that occurs using gmail (that is, not receiving your own > listmail posts back from the list) was being filed by Google in the > "It's not a bug; it's a feature" category, with the addendum that they > "might have a look at it some time though". It's usual for gmail not to show you messages from yourself to a list, but you do still get them. If moose were to search for his email address and the list address, or probably even just "moose olympus", they'd all show up. Not really so much a solution as an observation though. They usually show up when you go back and read through a conversation again, too. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 18:23:20 2008 Received: (qmail 26284 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 16:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 16:23:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C971BEA6; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:15:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:15:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from aismail.wustl.edu (aismail.wustl.edu [128.252.95.36]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFD91C8FA for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:23:26 +0200 (CEST) To: Subject: [OM] Glut of 35 mm lenses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 From: Bob_Benson@wustl.edu Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:23:23 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AIS3/Systems/ais(Release 6.5.6FP2|October 17, 2007) at 08/12/2008 09:23:27 AM, Serialize complete at 08/12/2008 09:23:27 AM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Bob_Benson@wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 18:23:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a30a78215131529615919 I agree there's a glut of 35 mm lenses. Unfortunately, they're all on my shelves ... Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 18:47:07 2008 Received: (qmail 29617 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 16:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 16:47:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBB9CE137; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AD5E0EF for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:53:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25821 invoked by uid 502); 12 Aug 2008 23:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.180.106) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 23:53:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48A2226D.9060305@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:53:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: GMail (OT) References: <489F4EB3.5090009@gmail.com> <48A0CC4F.8040800@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A0CC4F.8040800@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 18:47:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3100b325011023412894 montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> ... >> Hmmmm. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I use gmail as my outgoing mail server. It might be saving me from receiving messages from myself? >> >> The last time I looked (a couple of years ago, maybe?) this particular idiosyncrasy that occurs using gmail (that is, not receiving your own listmail posts back from the list) was being filed by Google in the "It's not a bug; it's a feature" category, with the addendum that they "might have a look at it some time though". I'm paraphrasing, of course, though I would suggest that, for the latter, Google is waiting on independently verifiable evidence of the autonomous aerodynamic abilities of pre-bacon. >> Well, my random thought may have found the proximate cause. I tried using a different outgoing SMTP server - and magically started receiving my own posts to the list on gmail. The list traffic is still subject to lengthy, random seeming delays, so I can't really match up my sent folder with what I've received, but it looks as if they may all come through. So it may be true that it is a 'feature", in that someone went to the trouble of coding to parse out incoming email from oneself. Not bad, if it were an option that one could set. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 19:19:30 2008 Received: (qmail 19939 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 17:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 17:19:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EACF1963; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:24:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:24:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05DFED855 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5F006U0PPA3AW1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:39:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:42:09 -0300 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:39:28 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Test - 02 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <031FA29C35A3440DB807F54821F867E4@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4bAEnBn0gY3rI7/2dsb2JhbAAtgSyHUKBDAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,341,1215399600"; d="scan'208";a="331234945" X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 19:19:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a317a279771529615919 Sent 8:39am, 11 Aug 2008 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 20:41:05 2008 Received: (qmail 10953 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 18:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 18:41:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B39A23C67; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B401CDA45 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080812000402.ENNT8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:04:02 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 1C421a0013Hz7l802C42Zh; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:04:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c8fc8d$09c23550$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:06:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 20:41:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a32ac1189071073733319 > I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for general > photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old carrying case > *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 macro, and 85/2, in > really good shape. > I'm with you. That's exactly what I'm planning. Fortunately, I can do it with what I already own, selling off some things. I have it down to the OM1, 2s and 4ti; and the 18, 21/2, 28/2, 50/1.2, 85/2 and 135/2.8; a plain prism Nikon F with 35/2 and 205/2.5; and a Hasselblad 500C/M with 50, 80, 150 and 250. It will probably be a while before any of these see color film. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 22:17:29 2008 Received: (qmail 30165 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 20:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 20:17:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7EC100B83; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 566402F7A2 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:51:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7811 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 20:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 20:51:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <489FB685.5040907@gmail.com> References: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> <489FB685.5040907@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:51:32 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 22:17:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a34159167305368819438 The blood rushes to our heads and helps us think faster. That's why we're so far ahead of you. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 11/08/2008, at 1:48 PM, Moose wrote: > It's designed to antipodians. > > To compensate for having to live their lives upside down. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 22:30:45 2008 Received: (qmail 14193 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 20:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 20:30:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E619D365B; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:55:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:55:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F45811823B for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:18:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10465 invoked by uid 504); 11 Aug 2008 20:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Aug 2008 20:18:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48A09E7B.5060006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:18:03 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <489E57F3.4010806@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 22:30:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3447536621702588592 I have it on good authority that Moose do not typically attend mass so it's unlikely that he'd come much closer. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > I know that it doesn't help, Chuck, but one of my favourite memories > is attending Sunday Mass on the stoop of the lodge, overlooking the > lake. In an un-prayerful moment I saw a Moose approach to about > 100yds from the congregation from the direction of the lake. > > Oh, and the river and waterfall were pretty spectacular, not to > mention the freedom of the sky from anything manmade like high-tension > wires etc ... > > Chris > > On 10 Aug 2008, at 03:52, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Anyone have specific recommendations for visiting Yellowstone? I'll >> be >> approaching from the east. Probably coming from Route 212 which I'm >> told is a must see. What to see and where to stay in only a couple >> of days. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 23:24:18 2008 Received: (qmail 14598 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 21:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 21:24:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC261CA6B; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBD01BCD8 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:23:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so2353872fka.1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:23:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=b3iX8teOXT9/IQiAMOn0JUMfclFLQyv+ayBuoUYupfk=; b=qrmD5b4lM+AUn5qkT9I32sLczpOQW9NoeHLwxJKypFMAaXMohx1cDt9Z/O41qhDC+w lht4SU+Ufh1vY+9TVOCYQbv/FI0GdyQv0e77orDqm3IzEu4527ac/3G6RppVT15jYCTW V26nmexrIDDmJOhvwnbekaZ39tpY42ZQsiYRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pAIoSS1mPAL3N7wcGS0o0A3j4W8sRMr+C+7ZcGxDy274K6rxQ4lMgY0/z0qOofmZVL u04Vy/g7CIRHPEiGJr8JQuP+mo7MhCRtzLlhB6FS4aJqLY+YLKRO+0Qxk+WqKgydRfQY cRsSO8NEKhoI+m7FGn6Klo7SVKyc6TzAlBwjM= Received: by 10.187.176.2 with SMTP id d2mr355147fap.55.1218529382001; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.158.17 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:23:00 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 23:24:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3510296851023412894 2008/8/10 Willie Wonka : > I brought my pictures on a thumbdrive to the photo center at Walmart and before started to print, was approached by the girl working there, and told that "pictures that come off flash drives come out grainy on 8x10, it has something to do with how many times picture is transfered through different devices...It is best if you print straight out of the camera card" > So, whats the story...? I am thinking that there are several plausible explanations and all of them have sompin to do with processing within the machine. First comes to mind size and second noise in crappy digicams, third-sharpening and noise. > > I have no idea how this urban legend was started...it is an urban legend, right? I'll hazard a guess that most pictures on flash drives have been uploaded to a computer, processed, probably resized and then copied to the flash drive. That allows myriad routes for the alleged graininess. -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 13 23:57:42 2008 Received: (qmail 5433 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 21:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 21:57:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0AB101B59; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566FD29CE9 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:01:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9819 invoked by uid 504); 13 Aug 2008 03:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Aug 2008 03:01:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48A24E85.3000803@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:01:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> <48A10A0A.3080701@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A10A0A.3080701@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 13 23:57:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a358d6142277927319144 I know I've shown these here before. Everything in the bottom three rows is single, on-camera flash. But 5D's don't have pop-up flashes. If there's any criticism of the light I think it's too even. Dr. Flash Moose wrote: > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Flash Is Evil >> > I'd like to agree wholeheartedly. I certainly don't like the look of > on-camera flash, and am not patient enough for, nor really interested > in, multiple off camera flashes. I'll go to considerable lengths to > avoid flash. > > Sometimes, thought, it's the only tool for the job. Sitting around at > kiddie bedtime in a darkish room, with people, especially one of the > subjects, who move about quickly and often, flash is one answer. > > > I suppose the 5D with a fast lens might have worked with a lot of shots > to end up with some keepers. Room lighting was pretty uneven, but it > might have worked out. But you know what? I don't usually carry that > kind of gear on a casual visit where the real purpose is social and > there are kids to help with - kids with fast hands. :-) > > I had one kid sitting on each side of me at the restaurant. Just eating > and keeping up with the little ones was enough to do there. > > I don't know if you remember the images of another friend's graduation > from Seminary. Another case where I think flash was simply required for > most of the subjects and situations. > > > Lets hope for a Micro 4/3 with something like a tiny 15-40/1.4-2.0 ..... > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 4:59 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 00:20:04 2008 Received: (qmail 19620 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 22:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 22:20:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64DDC5A0C; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:09:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:09:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84931215F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3017.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A29BF5000086 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.88.254]) by mwinf3017.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 681A45000084 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:14:25 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080813061425426.681A45000084@mwinf3017.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <000b01c8fd0b$e5013bb0$fe586b5b@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] #156 Rothersthorpe Northamptonshire Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:14:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 00:20:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a35e1496062070262475 Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 35mm f2 : green filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08156.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 00:26:42 2008 Received: (qmail 582 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 22:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 22:26:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA512100620; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2981D9AA for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:29:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18837 invoked by uid 504); 12 Aug 2008 14:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 14:29:36 -0000 Message-ID: <48A19E50.1090703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:29:36 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A0442D.4070803@tc.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <48A0442D.4070803@tc.umn.edu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 00:26:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a35fa1109101234514069 Yes, thanks again. We'll be stopping at the Little Big Horn battlefield and taking route 212. What I don't know is whether to get on 212 from I-90 as early as Sturgis, SD or only once I get to Little Big Horn. Still looking for recommendations on what to see and where to stay for 2 days at Yellowstone and Grand Teton. Chuck Norcutt Dean Hansen wrote: > If Chuck and family haven't already gone past it, I'd recommend > stopping at the Custer Battlefield. It's very interesting. If nothing > else, it's a good reminder of what can result from letting a head-strong > fool lead too few troops into someone elses homeland. > US 212 goes over the Beartooth Pass, which is a bit over 10,000 feet > elevation. Hope Chuck takes this route. In 1969, while doing research > for my thesis, my wife and I stayed at a campgound by Island Lake, > several miles to the west of the pass. I collected insects near Frozen > Lake, which is just to the west of the pass. When I tried to identify > one particular species back at the campground, I was at first sure I was > somehow misinterpreting the identification key--the genus of small fly I > was looking at had not been reported in North America south of tree line > in the Canadian Arctic. Well, I wasn't misinterpreting anything--the > country around the Beartooth Pass is, plant and animal-wise, much like > the Canadian Arctic north of tree line. And here was this little fly, > happy as a clam, 2,5000 miles south of its relatives. Get out and hike > around a bit--it's a bit like being on Ellesmere, Baffin, or Devon > Island. Wonderful place! > Enjoy the sights! > OM content: none. I was borrowing my father's Exacta VX IIa those > 39 years ago. > Dean > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 00:47:44 2008 Received: (qmail 13901 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2008 22:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 22:47:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD9812C68; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:48:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:48:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAB520A87 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:46:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ACE10210F0 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lsZ6wkko4FgF for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA1410210E1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4668857A-C535-45EC-95E2-22126AB50D8C@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080812014241.559E1CCC35@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:46:52 -0700 References: <20080812014241.559E1CCC35@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 00:47:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a36490145571234514069 > From: Willie Wonka > > I brought my pictures on a thumbdrive to the photo center at Walmart > and before started to print, was approached by the girl working > there, and told that "pictures that come off flash drives come out > grainy on 8x10, it has something to do with how many times picture > is transfered through different devices...It is best if you print > straight out of the camera card"... > > So, whats the story...? I'm certain it has nothing to do with "how many times picture is transferred." I'd say, in general, if it comes off a thumb drive, it's much less likely to be a quality image. It could have been down-sized for email, or it could have come off a website. You need 8-16 times more pixels to make a decent print than you do to have a decent screen image. So if a photo gets re-sized for screen, it will make a crappy 8x10. Funny she used the term "grain." That's sorta like calling the accelerator the buggy whip -- similar purpose, different mechanism. :::: I dread success. To have succeeded is to have finished one's business on earth, like the male spider, who is killed by the female the moment he has succeeded in his courtship. I like a state of continual becoming, with a goal in front and not behind. -- George Bernard Shaw :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 02:27:56 2008 Received: (qmail 6561 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 00:27:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F29A3D97; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:00:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:00:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd5mo1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFCD332E5 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:28:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (HELO pd7ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.153.161]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:28:19 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=6aPEwwJ3kJIPbyzeaEAA:9 a=S5ShBR-DjQDMlrkq9z8A:7 a=o34z3xV4BoPIfEc56scCbPTKSHIA:4 a=ByqRPHCodYMA:10 a=ffsUiF4-ICoA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd7ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:28:18 -0600 Message-Id: <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:28:18 -0600 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 02:27:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a37c0c194921591313764 Hi: I have a 24/2 new in the box that I got from our list member in Vegas, but I paid well for it too, like $450 or $500 (I will look it up to verify) if you want new this is it. I understand if the price is too steep, but I thought I would mention it. Gord On 11-Aug-08, at 5:26 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'm quite sure there is a glut of 35mm lenses. It's just that there > isn't a glut of 24/2, 50/2 and 85/2. And KEH charges a high premium > for > lenses in exceptional condition in order to take advantage of the > collector... and sentimentalist market. KEH BGN grade is still pretty > good if you just want a shooting kit. > > Chuck Norcutt > > William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> >> I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for >> general photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old >> carrying case *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 >> macro, and 85/2, in really good shape. >> >> The problem (outside of the fact I don't immediately have the money), >> is that these lenses (at least at KEH) are rather pricey (at least >> those in EX or better condition). Isn't there supposed to be a glut >> of 35mm lenses? > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 04:56:04 2008 Received: (qmail 21100 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 02:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 02:56:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD096113161; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10972115153 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:55:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BCtrBt030035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:53 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BCtpJo015824 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:53 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:51 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Garden Spider Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Garden Spider Thread-Index: Acj6bg3X3VVhgkz0R0ehnPpfgd4jGwBQ0sQQ References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 12:55:51.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[95BC2DE0:01C8FBB1] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110071 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110071 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 04:56:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a39ec4149149347015869 Actually Jim I like the background. These spiders are found so often in "human" spaces it's the usual natural setting I see them. Good job. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 12:34 PM To: LUG@Leica-Users.org Cc: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] IMG: Garden Spider I went out this morning to replace my old rain guage, and found that this fellow had set up housekeeping, placing its web over the guage so that it would have been useless. Given the location, I could not do much to improve the background. Oly E-510 with Zuiko 14-54 lens, ISO 200. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html Comments and critiques welcomed. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 05:21:49 2008 Received: (qmail 14800 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 03:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 03:21:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCFBD4B36; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:03:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:03:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CE6D9D3B for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:10:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so2804017wra.17 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TvcmbeC6b4whOLBJRglvWRdKcqdF0FNKEYmhzExqtH4=; b=hFMyYFlu5y5O46SVOVJ6dz4E8cNACXtLfJCrTFv2TIiTuAY8GnEohIzKyvjhF2tlAO HyaLDgFrWcXJyXEG659jwwQJNrgFkOL4Nl8R6Bg2JPxhbxEegeZ+Rz/p6ig5FSwsIBaa Rz73YQIshWkhSZWh2Ff1oRDDYO8Rf00AtaQbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=agt9HZ+MvoJrU03hPRRLcQc63U2v/M4hbUp7SK7hRqUEvOcI6wAXJ3R4Y3+uOdD6Qf r6Az9V1vvazBUgU2EM7b7uM77lBA74xkDGG0fY1vzOeK1diLu58MQa7lbATyjPjj2BzO rhmy03MaLhEAgPI7rRMA8RSn2OqpmCih1qGzs= Received: by 10.90.91.2 with SMTP id o2mr13865379agb.111.1218593402645; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.115.5 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:10:02 -0700 From: "Warren Kato" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system In-Reply-To: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wkkato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 05:21:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3a4cd76761234514069 I still have a system but I have sold off all of the so-called better lens such as the 18/3.5, 21/2, 24/2, 35/2, 100/2, 300/4.5 and centered on the 49mm filter lens. Here's what I can fit into my Lowe Orion waist pack: OM-4T, OM-3, 16/3.5, 21/3.5, 24/2.8, 28/2, 35/2.8, 50/3.5, 85/2, 135/3.5, a stack of filters and a few rolls of film in the side pockets. Its a rather large pack to fit on your fanny (sorry) but it does a lot in smaller space than the E-300, and E-330 with 8mm, 7-14, and 14-54, which is my present digital system. Warren On 8/9/08, William Sommerwerck wrote: > > This is likely premature, but it probably can't hurt. > > Several years ago, being nearly dead-broke, I was obliged to sell off my OM system. (The only significant items remaining are a champagne OM-4T body, the 280 flash, the auto-focus 35-70 lens, and a complete set of focusing screens, mostly unused.) > > The OM is unquestionably one of the great 35mm cameras. Olympus's attempt to create an "SLR Leica" was largely successful. (It's richly comic for Olympus to play up the extreme compactness of their smaller DSLRs. Their writer has likely never seen an OM and its lenses.) > > I've switched to Canon, so there's no practical need to retain any OM equipment. But I have a strong attachment to the OM system, both sentimental and technological. > > I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for general photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old carrying case *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 macro, and 85/2, in really good shape. > > The problem (outside of the fact I don't immediately have the money), is that these lenses (at least at KEH) are rather pricey (at least those in EX or better condition). Isn't there supposed to be a glut of 35mm lenses? > > I probably won't have the money until the middle of next year, but I'd be curious to hear any thoughts on this subject. Is anyone else out there doing anything like this? > > PS: If anyone wants the focusing screens, they're still available as a complete set. > > * When I worked for Bendix, I carried a _complete_ OM system in a Really Tiny case, one that today would hold little more than a high-res DSLR _body_ (sans lens). > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 06:40:17 2008 Received: (qmail 25197 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 04:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 04:40:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5289E7BBE; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485B6E442A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:55:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7731) for ; 12 Aug 2008 13:55:33 +1000 From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:33 +1000 (EST) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: In-Reply-To: <45E3F219-B149-4FD6-AFE2-3A23ACB9312A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? Message-ID: <0050133380.0001UFDU@ns2.comkal.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: oice500@comkal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 06:40:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3b731131271993019900 Hi Gordon, > If you grasp the pop up flash between your thumb and forefinger - pull > back - and twist - then you don't need a saucer. That actually works as long as you know what your doing, it is nolonger a popup but once the silastic (roof n gutter) has dried it makes for a very nice little bounce flash. Cheers Ian Cheers Ian Manners http://www.comkal.net/ To make Windows faster, drop it from airplanes. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 06:43:11 2008 Received: (qmail 8294 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 04:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 04:43:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C550124520; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:43:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:43:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0730A4A93 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:05:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5I006E3IX3OJU1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:05:27 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:03:02 -0300 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:05:45 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIQAJ7BoUgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBWodXrlwDgU8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,198,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="283218509" References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> <004801c8fc3d$f7bde100$98f06744@youra9279112e3> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 06:43:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3b7df234481744846740 See: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html For "Canada" read the province of Alberta instead. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:40 AM Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... > > But Gordon, it is said that Canada is the greatest exporter of oil to USA. > Time to invade!! > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Ross" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... > > >> >> Note to Bill >> >> C'mon Bill - you need to stick to the great American traditions >> >> -you only pick fights with oil producing countries. >> >> anonymously sent by Gord, who is not from Alberta >> >> >> On 10-Aug-08, at 2:36 AM, Bill Pearce wrote: >> >>> >>> Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that >>> revealed that >>> over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital >>> cameras, and >>> don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, >>> too, but >>> listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. >>> >>> You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV >>> remote >>> control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! >>> >>> I sure feel better about myself! >>> >>> Bill Pearce >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 07:08:29 2008 Received: (qmail 12946 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 05:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 05:08:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C752AEDA26; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:17:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:17:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E362F28D3 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:03:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7162 invoked by uid 504); 13 Aug 2008 11:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Aug 2008 11:03:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48A2BF7D.4030506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:03:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <4AE9C03A-14F2-408A-AEE9-21971D52C5C1@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <4AE9C03A-14F2-408A-AEE9-21971D52C5C1@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 07:08:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3bdcd244382046811720 Well, of course you need some excuses. Being one of the accused class you simply haven't been able to comprehend that you don't understand. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Hmm, I don't believe that "petulant" describes my, errm, surprise at > the authority some give "facts" on the www, or in the press. > > Gadgets should have instructions only to back up well-designed > functionality. I have just bought 2 digital immersion heater timers > to get rid of the noise that the analogue 24hr gizmos made. I have > read the instructions and set the times, but I keep having to go back > to the instructions because the system is so badly designed. The same > goes for setting the time on our cooker: the functionality is just not > intuitive. I save worrying about it on our microwave by switching it > off at the plug when it's not in use -- saves energy as well ... > > That's one reason that I don't trust GM food: if engineers can't get > electronic gadgets right, why should I trust other engineers to modify > the genes at minimum risk? > > Chris > > On 10 Aug 2008, at 12:45, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> That's a bit petulant - clearly Reevoo.com are a respected academic >> source and I'm sure that their interviewers were well trained, their >> interview schedules free of any possibility of generating minor >> invalidities and inaccuracies and their sample of 2000 respondents >> was properly randomised and structured (no, not contradictory). >> Beyond that, it has the grim ring of plausibility to it. >> Andrew Fildes (former market research interviewer - hey, we can't all >> put ourselves through university by more legitimate work like table >> top dancing). > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.2/1609 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 6:43 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 08:36:21 2008 Received: (qmail 18958 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 06:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 06:36:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD17C1049C4; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:52:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:52:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844CCF389A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:34:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7C4YZZ9018606 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: <11AB6E548D904B19AA0004D5169B24E0@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj5CyAvEdooDPxcSIi1t0X0d5RXWgAJ5g8gAC48bVAARfknsABMQNxQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 08:36:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3d265169477927319144 almost three days for this one to arrive. Yahoo is complaining of server slow down difficulties and they don't even have a canned explanation for it, as they usually do, just that the engineers are researching the slow mail delivery. Wonder if the two are interrelated? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Peden Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:11 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common Must have been a server close to the delivery end of the group, this post of mine took 2 days to get her too, did the Post office buy out this part of the internet? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Peden Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:48 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common How wonderful! I'm still reflecting on the mirror images in the water...... E-3 and what lens, 12-60? -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Wayne Harridge Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:44 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A > bit of scrub with a complicated history! > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > Nice ! I particularly like P7274976.jpg and P7274968.jpg ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 10:56:35 2008 Received: (qmail 19201 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 08:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 08:56:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FD588F9; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.122]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0223CEAE34 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:24:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 73538 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 18:24:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=gjwM/UXAcdSrEfH03UTcWoFkply3Wg3cKbv8P15F6M7D9O0BRtsNDm1S9/BaZ2jMjORGuuYjd5229hCjIRDzUzkF5OKae6RUKFwvMyxbrboyZxMth+HoIpwB3b0ZbyXLdoYoaqcaeoo1S/ZS3qMbJ8re/K9zVx5zwZEd0ngXooo=; Received: from [130.203.236.154] by web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:24:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Walker Subject: [OM] Repost: FS: E-System Lenses, FL-36, and E-1 body. To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <233440.72747.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: stephenpwalker@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 10:56:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3f343206749347015869 Hello, Sorry for the repost but I when I mailed this the first time the list appeared to be having difficulties so i'm not sure how many people received it (I never got it back). Anyhow, this will be the last post before items go off to e-bay. The Flash is sale pending (getting back to you soon w/ shipping charges, Andrew). -Steve ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Stephen Walker To: olympus@ml.free.fr Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 11:31:50 AM Subject: FS: E-System Lenses, FL-36, and E-1 body. Hello all, Sorry for the non-OM content, but I thought I would post this here before going to the trouble of loading it all on e-bay. I recently purchased a relatively large E-bay lot and i'm selling off the spares and extras. Although North American buyers make shipping the easiest, i'm happy to ship internationally to list members. Please contact me off list if you are interested. Olympus Digital Zuiko 14-54mm f2.8-3.5 Lens (includes cheap filter, original box and pouch) $325 Olympus Digital Zuiko 40-150mm f3.5-4.5 lens (includes box and cheap filter, lens cap is missing but glass is in excellent condition) $100 Olympus Digital Zuiko 35mm F3.5 Macro Lens (includes original box, I would keep this one if I didn't have the 50mm f2 already) $150 Olympus FL-36 Shoe Mount Flash (includes box but no pouch, Sigma bounce flash card, diffuser panel is broken) $100 And it pains me a little to list the E-1 because i've been having fun playing around with it (what a nice machine it is) but with the E-510 and E-330 I really have no "need" for it. Olympus E-1 Camera body with SHLD-2 Grip (including batteries and charger for both body and grip, original boxes, body cap, etc.) $450 The E-1 has approx 6000 exposures on the counter and is in very nice condition other than minor grip peeling by the play button. I think the prices are relatively firm, but feel free to tell me if you think i'm way out of line. Best Regards, Steve ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 11:15:23 2008 Received: (qmail 14914 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 09:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:15:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009A9EF76C; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:55:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:55:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F2A103207 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:03:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DE3eNH012337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:03:40 -0500 Received: from hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon03.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.37]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DE3e2W005010 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:03:40 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:03:40 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:03:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] putting together a "souvenir" system Thread-Index: Acj8Bl5liuaKzWf9RPW0P+mWljasvQBRGhrA References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2008 14:03:40.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[638D1A80:01C8FD4D] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808130030 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 11:15:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3f7ab93774673671140 William, I did the same thing when I switched to the E-System. I sold most of my OM gear to finance the switch to digital but held on to a core OM kit consisting of an OM-2n with a 24/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/3.5, 85/2 and 200/5. I would love to have a 40/2 but have been unable to find one at a less-than-ridiculous price. I considered the fast primes but rejected that path due to expense and weight. I really like this film kit primarily due to small size and weight. I haven't weighed it but I swear the whole kit is less than the E-500, ZD 12-60 and ZD 50-200. I've been pretty happy with the dual film/digital kit. The conundrum is that I like the digital flexibility/ results better; but I far prefer to shoot with the OM kit. Recently I've decided to put together a small carry-around kit in the form of an OM-1n with a wide zoom and the OM 75-150. This is just a return to basics since it mirrors the small OM kit I had from 1976 until 1997 when I discovered the List. Charlie (I'm a Zuikoholic and I can quit any time I want) -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of William Sommerwerck Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:26 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] putting together a "souvenir" system This is likely premature, but it probably can't hurt. Several years ago, being nearly dead-broke, I was obliged to sell off my OM system. (The only significant items remaining are a champagne OM-4T body, the 280 flash, the auto-focus 35-70 lens, and a complete set of focusing screens, mostly unused.) The OM is unquestionably one of the great 35mm cameras. Olympus's attempt to create an "SLR Leica" was largely successful. (It's richly comic for Olympus to play up the extreme compactness of their smaller DSLRs. Their writer has likely never seen an OM and its lenses.) I've switched to Canon, so there's no practical need to retain any OM equipment. But I have a strong attachment to the OM system, both sentimental and technological. I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for general photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old carrying case *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 macro, and 85/2, in really good shape. The problem (outside of the fact I don't immediately have the money), is that these lenses (at least at KEH) are rather pricey (at least those in EX or better condition). Isn't there supposed to be a glut of 35mm lenses? I probably won't have the money until the middle of next year, but I'd be curious to hear any thoughts on this subject. Is anyone else out there doing anything like this? PS: If anyone wants the focusing screens, they're still available as a complete set. * When I worked for Bendix, I carried a _complete_ OM system in a Really Tiny case, one that today would hold little more than a high-res DSLR _body_ (sans lens). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 11:29:28 2008 Received: (qmail 17275 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 09:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:29:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B52E24798; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:46:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:46:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5751024F3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:15:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so259971wfd.5 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:x-priority:date:references:x-mailer; bh=9J1CesttfnkwVx2n5qvaSC7GYZStI/8ztNrCh6iJslY=; b=m8TfmuqPzZMWIv13tAiuU0p4ec0PLEFrBlOB/a+blPkae0YOPew1mccMsR+hRs429a p6OWsNWktqppOXv6hSxCT/+la//RYQVY20Oh3+fFYoUSgkbv8Uk4mOG6eiewB1Q02xPa Duv3nvWBqO2aLljmoptkknnJtkbcHMuEZIEZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:x-priority:date :references:x-mailer; b=qazotHgDqDV44JG2JOOPRiukxmgJ8dkncRviRs/BqHxwI0fVCJ3EBzoQE9EhckMDS9 Vp8eVNN99SpGaboOQJRPHCyjMQV42aHz+NhEx22hqkQ73nYvhByyG6ur/M4CCIYJ6d9I DxuvWJ+EIr/xLXKXfDxkzgckrPsTOejp6vt2c= Received: by 10.142.207.8 with SMTP id e8mr205578wfg.195.1218676509909; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? ( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm2492615wfc.6.2008.08.13.18.15.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:14:59 -0700 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 11:29:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3faf856669347015869 On Aug 9, 2008, at 3:25 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote: > I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for > general photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old > carrying case *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 > macro, and 85/2, in really good shape. I love this idea. I will probably do something like this as well someday. I'd keep my original bought-in-1976 OM-1md plus my 18/3.5, 24/2.8, 50/1.2 and 85/2. I'd probably sell my and a OM-4ti, 24 shift, 28/3.5, 35 shift, 35-70/3.5-5.6, 75-150/4 and several flashes...and invest in some new Zuiko Digital lenses. Not quite ready to take that step though. :-) Rob in Seattle ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 11:37:17 2008 Received: (qmail 2572 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 09:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:37:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8D6D523F; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:06:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:06:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6600DD238 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:01:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1945 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 13:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 13:00:59 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4885D69D757B42EBB0E32CD5F7B041D6@hudson> References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <4885D69D757B42EBB0E32CD5F7B041D6@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <286D83D0-8E8E-4568-9C7A-AAAEBEC1D6D7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:00:54 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 11:37:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3fccd177481585427447 Having lunch with OlyAus next week and I strongly suspect it's to do with the new mini-4/3rds compact system. I'll let you know. Wonder what's for lunch.... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/08/2008, at 10:21 AM, John Hudson wrote: > When abouts, if ever, will the elegence of 10-15-20mp digital be > slimmed > down to the size of an OM4T with a 50/1.4 or 85/2 up front? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 11:41:22 2008 Received: (qmail 13526 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 09:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:41:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AD2FDD13; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:16:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:16:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E287E52E0 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16191 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 21:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.157.32) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 21:35:01 -0000 In-Reply-To: <004801c8fc3d$f7bde100$98f06744@youra9279112e3> References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> <004801c8fc3d$f7bde100$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <489934EE-1751-49ED-9388-5CBF49BE42A4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:34:59 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 11:41:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3fdc2157151869477228 Go on, you know you want too. Take the pressure off Putin! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 12/08/2008, at 3:40 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > But Gordon, it is said that Canada is the greatest exporter of oil > to USA. > Time to invade!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 11:43:36 2008 Received: (qmail 28939 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 09:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:43:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127A8E5840; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd6mo1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8637ECF839 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (HELO pd7ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.153.161]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:14:37 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=NWIcpQr2UhBAF5RpF5AA:9 a=76W4eCv2VaF_R-KvtYnuPaX7bRIA:4 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=hIHqez3jqw4A:10 a=uwboNgoz3XUA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd7ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:14:37 -0600 Message-Id: <64270290-4007-44C8-B5DA-4D37EEA4D29D@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <004801c8fc3d$f7bde100$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:14:37 -0600 References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> <004801c8fc3d$f7bde100$98f06744@youra9279112e3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 11:43:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3fe48285549117217770 We have two great advantages against attack- one is winter, the other is that virtually no-one in the US knows where we are. Further we are the last friendly too so tread lightly we dont want to have to burn down the white house again - we love what you've done with it however. Gord On 11-Aug-08, at 11:40 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > > But Gordon, it is said that Canada is the greatest exporter of oil > to USA. > Time to invade!! > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Ross" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... > > >> >> Note to Bill >> >> C'mon Bill - you need to stick to the great American traditions >> >> -you only pick fights with oil producing countries. >> >> anonymously sent by Gord, who is not from Alberta >> >> >> On 10-Aug-08, at 2:36 AM, Bill Pearce wrote: >> >>> >>> Went to DPR and there is a story on a survey of Britons that >>> revealed that >>> over a quarter of you don't know how to operate your digital >>> cameras, and >>> don;t know how to use the manual. OK, I have some troubles there, >>> too, but >>> listen to what was in the rest of the top ten. >>> >>> You also have problems with your washing machines (#4), your TV >>> remote >>> control (#8) and your microwave ovens (#10)! >>> >>> I sure feel better about myself! >>> >>> Bill Pearce >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 11:44:30 2008 Received: (qmail 16327 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12701D3EC2; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7597FAD7F for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 17645 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 00:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 00:10:05 -0000 Message-ID: <48A377DD.5020508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:10:05 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #156 Rothersthorpe Northamptonshire References: <000b01c8fd0b$e5013bb0$fe586b5b@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <000b01c8fd0b$e5013bb0$fe586b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 11:44:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a3fe7e252323675314703 I don't see any "Beware the dogs" sign. Is there perhaps a "Beware the man" sign on the other side? :-) Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 35mm f2 : green filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08156.htm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 13:29:26 2008 Received: (qmail 25453 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 11:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 11:29:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8A6CF943; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:25:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:25:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616471052AD for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:08:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c8f.2f6ec0dc (37168) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA047-913048a1dfa736c; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:23 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MB14 (webmail-mb14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.162]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA014-5bad48a1df941a7; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:04 -0400 References: <8CACA174A89EE80-E60-477@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Fwd: Couple of Big Foot shots Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:04 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 In-Reply-To: <8CACA174A89EE80-E60-477@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.162) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:04 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACAC5E1E9D331-C54-28@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 13:29:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a41716310871257536491 Appears the list server is still on the pokey parkway unless I am.? I'll try again.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: usher99@aol.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 6:18 pm Subject: Re: Couple of Big Foot shots Thanks for looking and your kind comments , Chris. As AG has mentioned, the Portra 160 VC does scan nicely.? ? Mike? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:03:12 2008 Received: (qmail 12852 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:03:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEF2D85D8; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70431150EA for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15567 invoked by uid 504); 12 Aug 2008 12:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 12:46:10 -0000 Message-ID: <48A18611.8070303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:46:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:03:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a41f00190471993019900 I would call this not an "urban legend" but rather the case of the "clueless clerk". No matter how many times you copy a digital file from device to device it will remain unaltered. But I can certainly believe that the clerk sees grainy 8x10's as a result of initially low resolution images (I choose the small size because I can get 10,000 shots on one card :-)), extreme ISO on a camera that's already noisy at ISO 80, too aggressive cropping by the owner at the editing kiosk or, more likely at home if on a thumbdrive, images aggressively sharpened in-camera for a 4x6 standard size print... and probably many more. A well exposed, conservatively sized image from a DSLR is probably the exception at the Wallyworld counter. Chuck Norcutt Willie Wonka wrote: > Going back to the old country in two days and as part of gifts for > friends, I decided to bring a few prints. > > I brought my pictures on a thumbdrive to the photo center at Walmart > and before started to print, was approached by the girl working > there, and told that "pictures that come off flash drives come out > grainy on 8x10, it has something to do with how many times picture is > transfered through different devices...It is best if you print > straight out of the camera card" > > Being an adventurous guy and having hard time believing, I stuck the > nerd chip (there is some slango for ya...), and went tthrough the > process...Ten minutes later, I returned and she greeted me with a > smile saying: "I think I know which picture is yours and it did not > turn grainy..." > > So, whats the story...? I am thinking that there are several > plausible explanations and all of them have sompin to do with > processing within the machine. First comes to mind size and second > noise in crappy digicams, third-sharpening and noise. > > I have no idea how this urban legend was started...it is an urban > legend, right? > > Boris > > P.S. My picture was saved in .tiff and .jpeg formats. I printed ot > of the tiff... > > > > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. 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I have been trying to photograph that place for a while - it's easy to walk around admiring, but hard to get it down on paper... I'm getting there though, I think. And yes, several of those compositions demanded wellies and a stick! Tom 2008/8/10 Chris Barker > > Tom > > I've held off commenting about these photos because the subjects are > not really my sort of thing. But I remain an admirer of your ability > to find composition and interest where I might be still trying to get > my gumboots out of another sucky-muddy hole. > > And yes, 1952 is an excellent photos, although I might be tempted to > use it as the basis for a bit of manipulation and posterisation, or > perhaps monochromatisation (:-)). > > And what a great place to lay an airfield, eh? It's even better than > RAF Brüggen in Germany, near the Dutch border and Roermond, which was > apparently shunned by the German forces because of its bogginess, > swampiness and infestation with aggressive flying insects. But the > Brits built an airfield there and manned it throughout the Cold War, > In fact we launched missions to Kosovo from there in 1999 ... > > Chris > On 6 Aug 2008, at 09:38, Tom Fenwick wrote: > > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common pasture. A > > bit of > > scrub with a complicated history! > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > > > > Tom > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:15:47 2008 Received: (qmail 11857 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:15:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD14E02C3; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722E1C59E9 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7DFoZio095701 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> In-Reply-To: <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <6CE267DAA2D9478AB89C1116A149B724@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj9Gaoblji87QuBSUKASvL8Hv/y0AAQovsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:15:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a421f3140201591313764 Thanks Scott, that is the spider name I was trying to come up with, apparently there is a lot of diversity in them, but the zig zag shows the family. http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/spider.html -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Gomez Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:09 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Argiope aurantia, I believe. Also known as the "golden orb weaver" or "garden spider". On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 23:25 -0700, Scott Peden wrote: > Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web > is the giveaway. --- Scott Gomez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:30:33 2008 Received: (qmail 1911 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:30:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A151020A2; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D26D86CD for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:03:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30265 invoked by uid 502); 13 Aug 2008 21:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.190.237) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Aug 2008 21:03:32 -0000 Message-ID: <48A34C20.8030105@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:03:28 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic References: <000701c8fabb$521ba170$1f596b5b@GeeBee> <489FB685.5040907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:30:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42569299397927319144 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The blood rushes to our heads and helps us think faster. > Ah! That might also explain the sense that occasional posts from you show signs of overheating of the brain. > That's why we're so far ahead of you. > Only 18 hours. Not much of a lead, and you haven't gained a second since you got there. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:34:42 2008 Received: (qmail 4194 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:34:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A23A89943; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE97F114B8E for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:31:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9569 invoked by uid 502); 12 Aug 2008 04:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.194.61) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 12 Aug 2008 04:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <48A11238.8010205@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:31:52 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Couple of Big Foot shots References: <8CAC89BFB2AFDB6-A70-265B@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CAC89BFB2AFDB6-A70-265B@webmail-de03.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:34:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42662241865368819438 usher99@aol.com wrote: > Big Foot (Cosina Voigtlander 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar for OM) has been fun to use. The clematis was part of an experiment (n=2) to see if the shot or bean filled bean bag could match MLU+ aperture prefire on the 4T. The lack of tripod mount can make it quite subject to vibration when at higher mags. Fortunately the usually zealous zephyrs quite uncharacteristically quieted during Have you heard of the Wimberly Plamp? (Mine has a blue head.) I think it might be quite useful for many of the sorts of shots you seem to like to take. Here are a couple of shots, both full frame and full pixel images, taken with and without the Plamp. It has other uses, in addition to holding subjects steady, but I haven't tried that. A bit odd to use, as the long extension magnifies any vibration in the tripod, even a pretty solid CF tripod. So one must wait a moment or two for that to die out after letting go of the camera if the tripod is the only thing to clamp to. I used mirror pre-fire with a wired remote. > the timer countdown and enabled a comparison---I really couldn't tell and both seemed to make a substantial improvement. > > I know Moose often doesn't like OOF foregrounds, but perhaps one here will be an exception. > I think I've got a bad rap here ... There are SOME OOF foregrounds I don't particularly like. Depends on subject, composition, etc. > Portra 160 VC clematis F5.6 1/15 > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#be4dac563cbebe946480993866cf8305 > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/other_sizes/#780c15bf7b84fafddd02c9a0fc78a693-6fc36 > Hard to tell precisely, with the different subjects. Seems the second one isn't quite as sharp, but that could be down to several factors. both sharp enough for anything short of huge prints. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:37:41 2008 Received: (qmail 4146 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:37:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0B6D35AA; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:30:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:30:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C915DC6FF6 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:13:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B1F041C00084 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:13:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.119.164]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8FAF61C00081 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:13:01 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080812071301588.8FAF61C00081@mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <002201c8fc4a$e9f70a80$a4776b5b@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] #155 Gayton Northamptonshire Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:13:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:37:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42715188871993019900 Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 35mm f2 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08155.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:40:43 2008 Received: (qmail 31410 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:40:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82598A689F; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:32:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:32:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A7A8813B for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:01:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10147 invoked by uid 504); 13 Aug 2008 03:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Aug 2008 03:01:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48A24EA6.7070802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:01:58 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> <48A10A0A.3080701@gmail.com> <48A24E85.3000803@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A24E85.3000803@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:40:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a427cb72483675314703 Sorry, it helps to include the link Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I know I've shown these here before. Everything in the bottom three > rows is single, on-camera flash. But 5D's don't have pop-up flashes. If > there's any criticism of the light I think it's too even. > > Dr. Flash > > > Moose wrote: >> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>> Flash Is Evil >>> >> I'd like to agree wholeheartedly. I certainly don't like the look of >> on-camera flash, and am not patient enough for, nor really interested >> in, multiple off camera flashes. I'll go to considerable lengths to >> avoid flash. >> >> Sometimes, thought, it's the only tool for the job. Sitting around at >> kiddie bedtime in a darkish room, with people, especially one of the >> subjects, who move about quickly and often, flash is one answer. >> >> >> >> I suppose the 5D with a fast lens might have worked with a lot of >> shots to end up with some keepers. Room lighting was pretty uneven, >> but it might have worked out. But you know what? I don't usually carry >> that kind of gear on a casual visit where the real purpose is social >> and there are kids to help with - kids with fast hands. :-) >> >> I had one kid sitting on each side of me at the restaurant. Just >> eating and keeping up with the little ones was enough to do there. >> >> I don't know if you remember the images of another friend's graduation >> from Seminary. Another case where I think flash was simply required >> for most of the subjects and situations. >> >> >> Lets hope for a Micro 4/3 with something like a tiny 15-40/1.4-2.0 ..... >> >> Moose >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: >> 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 4:59 PM >> >> >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:49:51 2008 Received: (qmail 31402 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:49:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D826A3378; 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:50:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42a24133011023412894 > the > file on the nerd chip is identical to the file on the flash drive. Bits > is bits. > As it was explained to me, each time a jpeg is opened and closed, it throws away more info. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:52:40 2008 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:52:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9182AEBF1C; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DA125827 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:57:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01C.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BCvt7r011673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:57:55 -0500 Received: from hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon03.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.37]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BCvtTI017131 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:57:55 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:57:56 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:57:54 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <489B5A12.1000708@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience Thread-Index: Acj6eLj6NuLy9HFzQ0ikUVdVn7iE9gBOP6+g References: <489B5A12.1000708@gmail.com> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 12:57:56.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFA62550:01C8FBB1] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110071 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:52:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42a98244841591313764 Thanks for the info Moose. Hell, if what he says is true, I could put this battery outside in coastal SC and it should last forever. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:25 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Wein Cell Experience Geilfuss Charles wrote: > Has anyone on the List used a Wein Cell in an OM-1? How long do they typically last once activated? > Piers posted this in 2004: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- I found an old email from Bob Shell regarding Zinc-Air and Wein cells (of which he is the co-inventor), which may be of interest. The relevant extract: "The Weincell is a compromise. It works just like mercury cells, but has a much shorter life. We modified the electrolyte to match the discharge curve of mercury cells and made the air holes smaller to lengthen life, so they do work better than generic zinc air cells. They last much longer in humid climates. What kills them is evaporation of water from the gel electrolyte inside, so keeping them moderately humid is essential for long life. " ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- So it appears that life depends partly on humidity. Wayne C. posted this in 2002: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- I use the hearing aid batteries which are also 1.4 volt. They are a lot cheaper than the wein cells, and are available everywhere. I plan it so to take the air seal off a few days before I start using the OM1, and hope that has allowed the voltage to drop to somewhere around 1.35v. My 'scientific' tests have been to check a reading against my other OM's using the same lens and same composition. I've tried it against gray card, incadescent lamp bulb centered in the viewfinder, outdoor scenes, etc, and I've never gotten a reading more than 1/2 stop different from my other OM's. I can't get consistent readings any more accurate than that anyways. Most scenes will change 1/2 stop anyways with very small composition changes any when metering center weighted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Neither directly addresses expected life, but might be of interest. Have you considered the MR9 adapter? More expensive initially, but a single 386 cell should last ages in an OM-1(n). One less thing to keep track of. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 14:55:21 2008 Received: (qmail 29204 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 12:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 12:55:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CE3F90AC; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DC11094E1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:06:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so2280718fka.1 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:06:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2IiEEemdNHJRsHDMFYrVtoEBG6yJtizlung1de1j4es=; b=v1GZCc0QlCli28wVBaoWzPp+r1yxCHGeeyVq9dQhLP3UJbjdMbt79Y3CjjU6i1F2Ma 5SexhiFh1h0aqTnVW0RUUEwajU89mdXe+FRVLzFQdtC13dT0u9rWzdNL/i3Jm84QwTX/ HzICPMs2RSmKyQv7C4XfayPDRzm7KzDIG3akw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Uur8qLLYnBIQH9AqQWY5Yf9YiXKgQMJbtvINDsPYTa9lWkI19S7PyMvAgtSRTogsYz XNzf6eSbDKgq4kcsxEqA87G75D2F2dKpHerO4YnVd5AOLkt9x96goZZkH2ze4jLBoATA C+wM0QBG6zxSKuXIHw4UqAILnebX3lks5RyXY= Received: by 10.103.221.13 with SMTP id y13mr6605744muq.41.1218517569505; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook.local ( [81.221.125.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm1340506mue.8.2008.08.11.22.06.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:06:06 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 14:55:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42b3984162336821329 I have been having so many problems at work that only now do I have time to reply to some posts. It was a rare occurrence but our small camera shop had a 70-300mm lens in stock so I took a few sample pics and then later some more and decided that the performance matched my 300/4.5 and that it was a zoom and much smaller. though tempted by the 50-200 SWD I wanted the extra reach. Now I have a "small" walkaround kit of E3 7-14 12-60 and 70-300 which covers well if not bulky, a couple of weeks ago we went to stay by the Bodensee, I haven't had time to add comments to the pictures but I am generally pleased with my collection of lenses. Hovering at the top left of the image and clicking on the i will display the exif data including focal length. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/5626360_fxqN4 IanW > Thanks Chris. Yes, it is the latest version of the 50-200, SWD. I > think this is one of the two best zoom lenses I have ever owned (the > other being the Leica f4/35-70mm). > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 15:05:02 2008 Received: (qmail 32331 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 13:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 13:05:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8A887437; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F6FD5307 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:03:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 20735 invoked by uid 502); 13 Aug 2008 22:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.186.139) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Aug 2008 22:03:26 -0000 Message-ID: <48A35A21.2000001@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:03:13 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common References: <489E7297.5020100@gmail.com> <48A01786.8010204@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A01786.8010204@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 15:05:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42d7d4657350615338 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I did except for the first. The background and the foreground grasses have been improved but the foreground shrub has so much contrast that it's approaching black. > Mostly, I just HAD to level the horizon. :-) You caught me on the horns of a dilemma. Working with a full size, unprocessed RAW image, I would have been able to isolate the foliage from the water fairly easily. Then I could adjust the water/reflections separately. At the web size, Select Color wasn't working adequately, mostly, I think due to the sharpening halos around the foliage bits and pieces. So I'd have had to work through at the pixel level. Nothing wrong with the sharpening. It looks right to me at 100%. However, it makes some kinds of further processing very difficult. You can see the halos easily enough at 300%. I decided instead to just let the foliage in front of the water go dark, and bring the rest of that clump down to match. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 15:06:35 2008 Received: (qmail 5410 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 13:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 13:06:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D53E13E5; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:47:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5414C50B8 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01C.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DEaEag003328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:36:14 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7DEaCAd031591 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:36:14 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:36:13 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... 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Thread-Index: Acj8/JImtjGW99ufRoG6MP3HkuCxMQAU5AdQ References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <4AE9C03A-14F2-408A-AEE9-21971D52C5C1@threeshoes.net> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2008 14:36:13.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFE88330:01C8FD51] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808130034 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808130034 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 15:06:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a42ddb123501234514069 Chris, I couldn't agree more. So many new products, particularly electronics, are so obsessed with providing all conceivable features for any possible situation they suffer from such badly designed feature bloat that renders then barely usable. For example, when we moved into our most recent home it came pre-wired with a 5 channel audio/video system. On a friend's advice I purchased a Denon 5.1 channel receiver to run the system. The manual for this system runs to 300+ pages (and that's just one language!) and the remote has about 75 buttons. Good grief. And another thing, if General Motors starts making food I'll switch to Toyota turnips. ;^) Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chris Barker Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:23 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... Hmm, I don't believe that "petulant" describes my, errm, surprise at the authority some give "facts" on the www, or in the press. Gadgets should have instructions only to back up well-designed functionality. I have just bought 2 digital immersion heater timers to get rid of the noise that the analogue 24hr gizmos made. I have read the instructions and set the times, but I keep having to go back to the instructions because the system is so badly designed. The same goes for setting the time on our cooker: the functionality is just not intuitive. I save worrying about it on our microwave by switching it off at the plug when it's not in use -- saves energy as well ... That's one reason that I don't trust GM food: if engineers can't get electronic gadgets right, why should I trust other engineers to modify the genes at minimum risk? Chris On 10 Aug 2008, at 12:45, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > That's a bit petulant - clearly Reevoo.com are a respected academic > source and I'm sure that their interviewers were well trained, their > interview schedules free of any possibility of generating minor > invalidities and inaccuracies and their sample of 2000 respondents > was properly randomised and structured (no, not contradictory). > Beyond that, it has the grim ring of plausibility to it. > Andrew Fildes (former market research interviewer - hey, we can't all > put ourselves through university by more legitimate work like table > top dancing). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 15:29:11 2008 Received: (qmail 13263 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 13:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 13:29:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA01599D; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:11:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:11:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97DBFABF0 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:08:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16833 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 00:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 00:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <48A3776B.1030408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:08:11 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <20080812014241.559E1CCC35@ml.free.fr> <4668857A-C535-45EC-95E2-22126AB50D8C@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <4668857A-C535-45EC-95E2-22126AB50D8C@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 15:29:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a43327261182070262475 It's amazing how many people have no clue about this. No concept of resolution and limits. Too much CSI, I guess... yeah, let's just blow this security camera image up 10,000 times so we can read the license plate number. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jan Steinman wrote: > > You need 8-16 times more pixels to make a decent print than you do to > have a decent screen image. So if a photo gets re-sized for screen, it > will make a crappy 8x10. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 17:11:14 2008 Received: (qmail 22118 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2999243F; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:25:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:25:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D903B00 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:20:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7BFJxAH071462 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <456AA0FB75AA4BD293A784D7A8307BAA@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <456AA0FB75AA4BD293A784D7A8307BAA@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:20:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4EEB293B942C474E84BA80ABD581E8FD@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-index: Acj7q20xMzZJspyTR/SgQCehrI04KAAGfy4g X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 17:11:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a44b1219251035110158 We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and a meal. Lucky dating isn't as hard on the human race as it is on spiders, but then again, there are way more of them then there are us. We'll not all of the eat their mates, I use to think it was just the black widow, but there are a few species. The male would have been much smaller and skinny, he may have escaped to play mating roulette again on another day. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Jim Nichols Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:01 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider The one I photographed is still here, but I think she devoured her mate, for he is no longer around. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Peden" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web is > the giveaway. > > WE use to have 5-6 and if you get to close they'd move their web like a > trampoline, we thought it was so cute we'd show visitors, then one day one > jumped out of their web and chased down a grasshopper and stopped it in > it's > tracks with one bit..... I never teased one again to show friends how they > make themselves look larger....... Ours had larger splotches of Yell like > a > tortoise shell. > > Before I had a camera, sorry! > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:48 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Garden Spider > > > This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast > shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, > sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the > background > because of the location. > > Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 17:19:41 2008 Received: (qmail 30001 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 15:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 15:19:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E464810C609; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:39:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:39:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA635F91F5 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.be7.33b8647e (37540) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB021-92a448a0bab5356; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:18:29 -0400 Received: from webmail-de20 (webmail-de20.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.41]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA023-5c4d48a0baaa167; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:18:18 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Couple of Big Foot shots Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:18:18 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:18:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACA174A89EE80-E60-477@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 17:19:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a44d0d162989117217770 Thanks for looking and your kind comments , Chris. As AG has mentioned, the Portra 160 VC does scan nicely. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 17:29:06 2008 Received: (qmail 15783 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 15:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 15:29:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63A55DFF; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37127D3097 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:06:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id DF82A30D1T for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:06:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Test Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:06:29 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7B992C0383B2421CB01C12C77F2E5374@hudson> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Test Thread-Index: Acj783895zBAZgAeSW65YNlzc7CzXAAApHbA From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 21:06:33.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[22480150:01C8FBF6] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 17:29:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a44f41305991993019900 I received this at my work email at about 1PM Pacific time. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:18 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Test Sent 7:17am, 11 Aug 2008 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 18:05:09 2008 Received: (qmail 8854 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 16:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 16:05:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8B1F1EAA; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101FA4CF7D for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:57:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so2052340yxj.89 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:57:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GzwkzOyv/uEvA6YHPPr5jtLETr0hXxApzAUbrGchC0M=; b=W32jnTE4Ulpila4k6aayzhf8lvMlzTkQxXwdax+bPphai2mbMk98guaq9KGTBhWMdu 4myYk9GMibdavG2ED8kUcqFILqYt5vjIqlvrdZabqRnjQbDO9oINsE9MCmQmexCgJMek PMkpRs1UOPSKfGZJ2qQd0k5CJZJO/mXS/VgaY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=QQ4KIaQvHYG0htUktF9sxNfZesSv7Dh1uCwhpOGxf1yC+HglAYldzvUARlBqKiQ3+y 36zeqEYfDNDW7eoGk6SFCDWefFxsda/UKergCS3TbmOVb0kYIIVhOuky0vPvXzlYwnO8 KWduxVntXdx8dBgTpzPy8e7Rb0uogByBjNSPs= Received: by 10.142.174.8 with SMTP id w8mr3183740wfe.33.1218617875986; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.226.10 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:57:55 +0500 From: "Sandy Harris" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? In-Reply-To: <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6D04662AF6B141E7B2707621FA3848FD@jimnichols> <489364ED.5020200@chucknorcutt.com> <48936CC4.6010106@chucknorcutt.com> <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sandyinchina@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 18:05:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a457b528041585427447 On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Johann Thorsson wrote: > > One of our computers died this week when we had a power outage. ... Barn door dep't: Put a UPS (uninterruptible power supply) on any computer you care about. If you cannot afford that, at least a good surge protector. > I would like a reasonably fast machine, but ... What OS do you want to run? If it is anything that runs on Intel CPUs -- windows, Mac or Linux or one of the *BSDs -- then can you wait some? Intel's next generation look really good and are due out last quarter this year. That ought to mean both some lovely new machines and better pricing on the current generation. Web search the chip code name "nehelem" for details. off-the-wall dep't: Is a PS3 an option? Includes a blue ray disk; last I looked just buying the PS3 was much the cheapest way to get blue ray. The CPU is an IBM/Sony/Toshiba joint project called ä ""cell processor""; interesting beast. My guess is this is almost certainly worth buying if you are not locked into Windows and you're either into games or in need of a home theater mahine. Yellow Dog have a version of Linux for it. There's also an Ubuntu, though last I heard 8.04 on cell did not yet work, and NetBSD. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 18:09:53 2008 Received: (qmail 11868 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 16:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 16:09:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA93F598D; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:56:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:56:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124AC87C70 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:53:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so3476245ika.1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6ecY6H3pyAcr1mpB8EANlwP/4CgIYViQ9XzzaBSHv3E=; b=IW43qhxbgeARAuKLSaVVLDj/dQGPVWIt5S9gZusHkd1q45sZ9+V7+aSo/SrstTjfrL j56nEiMLs2rbp0VrSW+r3tcnxhvHm25oPzxGbfuOXEAak+1U9HI4InKmtt+WK7K48Cng i2opGt3WuwJkp1zNs31/qEUMvZlfvjVVD5RVY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=itLWGK4WW+lZ7iMetjjj0yUyQoZpUYHiNxIopmOge/9f/ALumIxX8oFifWWLRVzCRw y+BQ4/te8ZwP8PE60u5hKyzHH60vZavAu7uBOB7L1UR+K0X2IN7glKvu9GZsIiE8dH3q j8/42HziPQ7nMCf1SqSgHWK8JlsguhgAFgVDw= Received: by 10.210.60.8 with SMTP id i8mr10784116eba.183.1218570829900; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:53:49 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <000801c8f932$df633140$0601010a@meo.dec.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 18:09:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a458d126651529615919 Something was definitely up for a while - it took me three attempts to get the link to the list. Tom 2008/8/10 Scott Peden > > Must have been a server close to the delivery end of the group, this post > of > mine took 2 days to get her too, did the Post office buy out this part of > the internet? > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Scott Peden > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:48 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common > > > How wonderful! > > I'm still reflecting on the mirror images in the water...... > > E-3 and what lens, 12-60? > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Wayne Harridge > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:44 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common > > > > > > Glacial lake, peat bog, bomber command airfield, common > > pasture. A bit of scrub with a complicated history! > > http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/skipwith > > > > Nice ! > > I particularly like P7274976.jpg and P7274968.jpg > > ...Wayne > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 18:24:36 2008 Received: (qmail 17358 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 16:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 16:24:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1238D611D; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:37:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:37:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93915CCB1C for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w15.irbs.net (w15.irbs.net [205.237.194.59]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C150823E405 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-71-105-141-243.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net (pool-71-105-141-243.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.105.141.243]) by webmail.tuffmail.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:22:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20080813042217.eazersajok0oo4og@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:22:17 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Server Problems? [Was IMG: Garden Spider] References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 18:24:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a45c4479181702588592 I was trying to get subscribed to the list over this last weekend, and this is one of the responses I received from the list server: This is the Postfix program at host fallback-in1.mxes.net. #################################################################### # THIS IS A WARNING ONLY. 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Received less than 10 emails? > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 18:29:52 2008 Received: (qmail 19936 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 16:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 16:29:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3486A88A; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CB41DB9F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:21:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 88608 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 20:21:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uV/rshaiD0zYhNHgIcT58RGpFvySSDYho+LwQnanKe+0+WMNgpy9F4A1XzfKqj2G5NrGp8Y5FKjqAlRK4FFR/grIr+5mA1pqQAfdl4DRgTraRI2fRXqgFUVm//V3aLPhCOt3GPvT8EJLGITBiRnGfQYI9qXrIOwHsR6/EWB+nE8=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:21:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Desktop intestines, what is the most sensible buy today? To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9616DACE4A1045DC912E630562E0F1ED@microndesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <636452.88370.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 18:29:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a45d80232871946193717 Dell (I can hear the grumbles begin). However, Dell has the ability to package a lot at a reasonable price. Recently saw a deal for a Vostro 400 w/ two 22" widescreen flat panels for around $650.00. Check dealcatcher.com for Dell deals. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 18:33:07 2008 Received: (qmail 2989 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 16:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 16:33:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F416C10E486; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45FBEBD8 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:06:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BL661i031528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:06:06 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7BL65So003342; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:06:06 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:06:05 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Test Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:06:03 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7B992C0383B2421CB01C12C77F2E5374@hudson> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Test Thread-Index: Acj79STQ2pyQLcMZS/qZ8su29uqprgAAIt4w References: <130891.23253.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7B992C0383B2421CB01C12C77F2E5374@hudson> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 21:06:05.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[11BF1080:01C8FBF6] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110130 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808110130 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 18:33:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a45e43271857350615338 Received at my PC at ~5pm 8-11-08. I made a number of posts this morning but they have yet to make it to the List. Seems everything is about 10-12 hours late. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:18 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Test Sent 7:17am, 11 Aug 2008 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:20:39 2008 Received: (qmail 11741 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:20:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8EAC2F5F; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:16:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:16:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E329CC2C4B for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1964 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 10:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 10:08:55 -0000 In-Reply-To: <64270290-4007-44C8-B5DA-4D37EEA4D29D@mac.com> References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <853819FA-1894-46DC-9590-140B85F96B8D@mac.com> <004801c8fc3d$f7bde100$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <64270290-4007-44C8-B5DA-4D37EEA4D29D@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <0E82FCFC-4DF4-4087-8668-F9F9B4C2D603@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:08:51 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:20:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a46967239131529615919 Oh, yeah, like, thanks mate. That's what we get for participating in every US military adventure in the last 50? This means war. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 13/08/2008, at 10:14 AM, Gordon Ross wrote: > Further we are > the last friendly ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:21:49 2008 Received: (qmail 6836 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F53C343C; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:17:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:17:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fallback-in1.mxes.net (fallback-out1.mxes.net [216.86.168.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E77BC2D81 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:15:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by fallback-in1.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC66D16468E for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from w15.irbs.net (w15.irbs.net [205.237.194.59]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B413D23E4B6 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 158.154.2.128 ([158.154.2.128]) by webmail.tuffmail.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:09:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20080814100955.l2wpdy9ts4cgk4k0@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:09:55 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Server Problems? [Was IMG: Garden Spider] References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> <20080813042217.eazersajok0oo4og@webmail.tuffmail.net> In-Reply-To: <20080813042217.eazersajok0oo4og@webmail.tuffmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:21:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a469ad65123675314703 Let me clarify a couple of things. The first six lines in the message below is from my owm email service. The last two lines are from the olympus mail server. It appears as though the server has run out of disk space. I originally sent the message below on "Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:22:17 -0700", and I received it from the list on "Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:24:38 -0400". I live in the Pacific Time Zone(-0700hrs), and my email server is in the Eastern Time Zone(-0400hrs). (Corrected for DST) Sent time: "Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:22:17 -0700" Recd time: "Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:24:38 -0700" So, that's about a 29 hour delay. Somebody needs to call a doctor in for the server. :-) Quoting "J. Van Brimmer" : J. Van Brimmer once said: > > I was trying to get subscribed to the list over this last weekend, and > this is one of the responses I received from the list server: > > > This is the Postfix program at host fallback-in1.mxes.net. > > #################################################################### > # THIS IS A WARNING ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. # > #################################################################### > > Your message could not be delivered for more than 3 hour(s). > It will be retried until it is 2 day(s) old. > > > : host ml.proxad.net[212.27.60.41] said: 452 > Insufficient system storage (in reply to RCPT TO command) > > > > > It appears that the server is running out of disk space. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:24:47 2008 Received: (qmail 25363 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:24:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0D0C419F; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B292BC34D3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so490777nfi.19 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.30.1 with SMTP id d1mr1393728ebd.41.1218720831104; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:33:51 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Skipwith Common In-Reply-To: <48A35A21.2000001@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <489E7297.5020100@gmail.com> <48A01786.8010204@chucknorcutt.com> <48A35A21.2000001@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:24:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a46a5f157151869477228 That horizon got a lot of attention even in MY version... The waterline, skyline, reed line and reflections all seem contradictory. Thanks for trying! Tom 2008/8/13 Moose > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > I did except for the first. The background and the foreground grasses > have been improved but the foreground shrub has so much contrast that it's > approaching black. > > > Mostly, I just HAD to level the horizon. :-) > > You caught me on the horns of a dilemma. Working with a full size, > unprocessed RAW image, I would have been able to isolate the foliage > from the water fairly easily. Then I could adjust the water/reflections > separately. At the web size, Select Color wasn't working adequately, > mostly, I think due to the sharpening halos around the foliage bits and > pieces. So I'd have had to work through at the pixel level. > > Nothing wrong with the sharpening. It looks right to me at 100%. > However, it makes some kinds of further processing very difficult. You > can see the halos easily enough at 300%. > > I decided instead to just let the foliage in front of the water go dark, > and bring the rest of that clump down to match. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:25:32 2008 Received: (qmail 29973 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:25:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C577DC34E6; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C1DC2DD3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:20:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6925 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 13:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 13:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <48A43125.4030302@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:20:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:25:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a46a8c284711946193717 Nice work but it seems that many of your images are about a stop underexposed. I thought maybe just a difference of monitor and viewing conditions but spot checking some histograms beara out my visual impression. Chuck Norcutt swisspace wrote: > I have been having so many problems at work that only now do I have time > to reply to some posts. It was a rare occurrence but our small camera > shop had a 70-300mm lens in stock so I took a few sample pics and then > later some more and decided that the performance matched my 300/4.5 and > that it was a zoom and much smaller. though tempted by the 50-200 SWD I > wanted the extra reach. > > Now I have a "small" walkaround kit of E3 7-14 12-60 and 70-300 which > covers well if not bulky, a couple of weeks ago we went to stay by the > Bodensee, I haven't had time to add comments to the pictures but I am > generally pleased with my collection of lenses. Hovering at the top left > of the image and clicking on the i will display the exif data including > focal length. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/5626360_fxqN4 > > > IanW > > >> Thanks Chris. Yes, it is the latest version of the 50-200, SWD. I >> think this is one of the two best zoom lenses I have ever owned (the >> other being the Leica f4/35-70mm). >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:25:55 2008 Received: (qmail 9114 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:25:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A07C39D0; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0BAC2D6D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7309 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 13:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 13:21:22 -0000 Message-ID: <48A43151.300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:21:21 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #155 Gayton Northamptonshire References: <002201c8fc4a$e9f70a80$a4776b5b@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <002201c8fc4a$e9f70a80$a4776b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:25:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a46aa350185368819438 Very nice. I love the composition. Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 35mm f2 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08155.htm > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:26:35 2008 Received: (qmail 2573 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:26:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D53C357D; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:25:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:25:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976BAC2FDE for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:24:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9357 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 13:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 13:24:46 -0000 Message-ID: <48A4321D.9090805@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:24:45 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A18A26.4060808@ctgonline.org> <001201c8fd49$557a7db0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: <001201c8fd49$557a7db0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:26:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a46acb170361499373980 Not simply closed but re-saved. But you have to do it a fair number of times to cause any serious damage. Chuck Norcutt Bill Pearce wrote: >> the >> file on the nerd chip is identical to the file on the flash drive. Bits >> is bits. >> > As it was explained to me, each time a jpeg is opened and closed, it throws > away more info. > > Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:39:30 2008 Received: (qmail 18284 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:39:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A3BC4D56; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:34:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cerebus.winsite.com (cerebus.winsite.com [199.26.180.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCCDC4A73 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:33:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local (pool-96-230-117-175.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net [96.230.117.175]) by cerebus.winsite.com (8.14.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id m7EGSLu8029206 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:28:23 -0400 Message-ID: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:28:15 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: ML Motorsports User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Group Subject: [OM] Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:39:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a46dd2145371529615919 The OM list server has been acting very sluggish the last several days.... I have my email sorted by arrival date. I've been getting things trickling in dated three days ago, two days ago, four days ago... I end up having to dig back to find where that new email ended up. Perhaps the hamsters are getting tired. Please throw some more Hamster Chow (tm) in the cage..... -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:48:49 2008 Received: (qmail 13454 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:48:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56542C31F5; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:45:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:45:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93CEC383F for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:38:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080814153821H04009abrne>; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:38:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <8A33E54E2F80431B9CB3CC321B7A40AC@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <456AA0FB75AA4BD293A784D7A8307BAA@jimnichols> <4EEB293B942C474E84BA80ABD581E8FD@Alaisdairthree> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:38:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:48:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47001218437927319144 Hi, Scott, The male was on the web, out near the edge, for the first couple of days. He was much smaller and wouldn't have made much of a meal, but perhaps provided a little nourishment. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Peden" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and a meal. > > Lucky dating isn't as hard on the human race as it is on spiders, but then > again, there are way more of them then there are us. > > We'll not all of the eat their mates, I use to think it was just the black > widow, but there are a few species. The male would have been much smaller > and skinny, he may have escaped to play mating roulette again on another > day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Jim Nichols > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:01 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > > The one I photographed is still here, but I think she devoured her mate, > for > he is no longer around. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Peden" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:25 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > >> >> Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web is >> the giveaway. >> >> WE use to have 5-6 and if you get to close they'd move their web like a >> trampoline, we thought it was so cute we'd show visitors, then one day >> one >> jumped out of their web and chased down a grasshopper and stopped it in >> it's >> tracks with one bit..... I never teased one again to show friends how >> they >> make themselves look larger....... Ours had larger splotches of Yell like >> a >> tortoise shell. >> >> Before I had a camera, sorry! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf >> Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:48 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Garden Spider >> >> >> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast >> shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, >> sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the >> background >> because of the location. >> >> Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:54:52 2008 Received: (qmail 15642 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 17:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 17:54:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3D6C3F87; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85877C349C for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080814175229H04009g2ece>; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:52:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <456AA0FB75AA4BD293A784D7A8307BAA@jimnichols> <4EEB293B942C474E84BA80ABD581E8FD@Alaisdairthree> <8A33E54E2F80431B9CB3CC321B7A40AC@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider(Now Server Problems) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:52:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:54:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4716c322031823421471 This response took 2hrs 10min to come back to me. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > Hi, Scott, > > The male was on the web, out near the edge, for the first couple of days. > He was much smaller and wouldn't have made much of a meal, but perhaps > provided a little nourishment. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Peden" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:20 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > >> >> We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and a meal. >> >> Lucky dating isn't as hard on the human race as it is on spiders, but >> then >> again, there are way more of them then there are us. >> >> We'll not all of the eat their mates, I use to think it was just the >> black >> widow, but there are a few species. The male would have been much smaller >> and skinny, he may have escaped to play mating roulette again on another >> day. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf >> Of Jim Nichols >> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:01 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider >> >> >> The one I photographed is still here, but I think she devoured her mate, >> for >> he is no longer around. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Peden" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:25 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider >> >> >>> >>> Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web >>> is >>> the giveaway. >>> >>> WE use to have 5-6 and if you get to close they'd move their web like a >>> trampoline, we thought it was so cute we'd show visitors, then one day >>> one >>> jumped out of their web and chased down a grasshopper and stopped it in >>> it's >>> tracks with one bit..... I never teased one again to show friends how >>> they >>> make themselves look larger....... Ours had larger splotches of Yell >>> like >>> a >>> tortoise shell. >>> >>> Before I had a camera, sorry! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Jim Nichols >>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:48 PM >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Subject: [OM] Garden Spider >>> >>> >>> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the forecast >>> shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, >>> sheltering the gauge with its web. I couldn't do much about the >>> background >>> because of the location. >>> >>> Oly E-510 with 14-54 Zuiko, ISO 200. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 19:56:14 2008 Received: (qmail 20760 invoked by uid 0); 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14 Aug 2008 17:57:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15045C39E0; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:57:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:57:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3166CC38D5 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080814175645H06009pljoe>; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <346EB80674174322845BD503537B669C@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <456AA0FB75AA4BD293A784D7A8307BAA@jimnichols> <4EEB293B942C474E84BA80ABD581E8FD@Alaisdairthree> <8A33E54E2F80431B9CB3CC321B7A40AC@jimnichols> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider(Now Server Problems) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:56:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 19:57:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4720975522336821329 This one showed up 10 min after I sent it. Things are looking up. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider(Now Server Problems) > > This response took 2hrs 10min to come back to me. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Nichols" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:38 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider > > >> >> Hi, Scott, >> >> The male was on the web, out near the edge, for the first couple of days. >> He was much smaller and wouldn't have made much of a meal, but perhaps >> provided a little nourishment. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Peden" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:20 AM >> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider >> >> >>> >>> We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and a meal. >>> >>> Lucky dating isn't as hard on the human race as it is on spiders, but >>> then >>> again, there are way more of them then there are us. >>> >>> We'll not all of the eat their mates, I use to think it was just the >>> black >>> widow, but there are a few species. The male would have been much >>> smaller >>> and skinny, he may have escaped to play mating roulette again on another >>> day. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Jim Nichols >>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:01 PM >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider >>> >>> >>> The one I photographed is still here, but I think she devoured her mate, >>> for >>> he is no longer around. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Scott Peden" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:25 AM >>> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Agi, agrophi? I forget how to spell this ones name. Zig Zag in the web >>>> is >>>> the giveaway. >>>> >>>> WE use to have 5-6 and if you get to close they'd move their web like a >>>> trampoline, we thought it was so cute we'd show visitors, then one day >>>> one >>>> jumped out of their web and chased down a grasshopper and stopped it in >>>> it's >>>> tracks with one bit..... I never teased one again to show friends how >>>> they >>>> make themselves look larger....... Ours had larger splotches of Yell >>>> like >>>> a >>>> tortoise shell. >>>> >>>> Before I had a camera, sorry! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Jim Nichols >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:48 PM >>>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>>> Subject: [OM] Garden Spider >>>> >>>> >>>> This morning I went out to replace my old rain gauge before the >>>> forecast >>>> shower, and found that this garden spider had taken over the area, >>>> sheltering the gauge with its web. 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If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:09:58 2008 Received: (qmail 3661 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:09:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2C2C3126; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:09:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F7CC2AD1 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:07:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EI7fW9004259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:07:41 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EI7dqT024449 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:07:41 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:07:40 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Test - 03 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:07:29 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Test - 03 Thread-Index: Acj+N4a+R2Lb/ZxJRsK7mDMTTzOh7AAAMymg References: From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 18:07:40.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[A41E1E00:01C8FE38] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140051 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140051 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:09:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a474f652451234514069 Received 8-14-08 @ 2pm. BTW, I have directly e-mailed Thomas to let him know of the problems we are having. He travels quite a bit so we may not hear from him for a while. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:25 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Test - 03 Sent 6:24am, 14 Aug 2008 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:10:31 2008 Received: (qmail 3653 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:10:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2665C286E; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:10:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C73C2B5E for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:09:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5L008A6RR32QA0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:09:03 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:06:04 -0300 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:09:24 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkgLAHQRpEgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBXIdYrWMDgVI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,210,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="285241050" References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:10:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47517143401591313764 .............. foie gras might work better :-) jh ps: sent: 3:09pm [ADST] 14 Aug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Braun" To: "Olympus Group" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: [OM] Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? > The OM list server has been acting very sluggish the last several days.... > > I have my email sorted by arrival date. I've been getting things > trickling in dated three days ago, two days ago, four days ago... I end > up having to dig back to find where that new email ended up. > > Perhaps the hamsters are getting tired. Please throw some more Hamster > Chow (tm) in the cage..... > -- > > > > Paul Braun > Valparaiso, IN > > "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins > > "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon > > "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:17:22 2008 Received: (qmail 13220 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:17:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348C2C2CAA; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CB8C28B7 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so84029qwb.5 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=1iMLEmqgYalQYxZ7V2RO8ZRAljhLiD6hKhXg9h3lKEI=; b=plbslOhz7u/pRcEVdG0E8REzCil4bhSEYTzExmcfbGagF+e0AMTySFj4QOsEWXZ+e9 Mua7Ep/Xg5UogiJ9z1TIBwA0od39133dN2lZJ9NYGwKnOEoZAqoOdUXofUSmQgDVlq5x e+3BTmvaGn4ZH7syD7O4huDQlPf8Xzxd5o52U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; b=mMRzNbHA7CVk2ufpLLTj2tzSyOibUnlYWgCXOAA7a8a16ecc279i1uK4OzTr9zWumU IPU8JlXYGsA2EVTrpfvZhUbU0cWclsRo/8WoMghu/7O2r2vrKu70n6GVqh8LY9xLigeO zjxaTjeZgXYfBDHFmtR8bP3KsxGFSYT8/Q/6Y= Received: by 10.214.26.20 with SMTP id 20mr1592797qaz.18.1218737767815; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 ( [216.174.58.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm3204281wrl.29.2008.08.14.11.16.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> <6CE267DAA2D9478AB89C1116A149B724@Alaisdairthree> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:16:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c8fe39$d257cea0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6CE267DAA2D9478AB89C1116A149B724@Alaisdairthree> Thread-Index: Acj9Gaoblji87QuBSUKASvL8Hv/y0AAQovsgADcrrVA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: daniel.sepke@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:17:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a476b254462070262475 A link beyond the one below by Scott Peden gives you a site that references our list . The site is owned by Dick Locke who I don't recall as a poster but some here might. I especially enjoyed the Walt remark quoted on the page. I actually used a shot of one of these spiders as my picture for the first TOPE I entered, it was the Nature TOPE as I recall . My shot was taken with an OM 85mm mounted on my then very new E-1. Dan S. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Peden Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Thanks Scott, that is the spider name I was trying to come up with, apparently there is a lot of diversity in them, but the zig zag shows the family. http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/pics/spider.html -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Gomez Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Argiope aurantia, I believe. Also known as the "golden orb weaver" or "garden spider". --- Scott Gomez ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:22:21 2008 Received: (qmail 27171 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FBAC34FB; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09548C310D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EIHquF012336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:17:52 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EIHpdV032198 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:17:52 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:17:51 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Test - 03 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:17:50 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Test - 03 Thread-Index: Acj+N4a+R2Lb/ZxJRsK7mDMTTzOh7AAAMymgAABmEWA= References: From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 18:17:51.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[104EFF30:01C8FE3A] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140053 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140053 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:22:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a477dd286257350615338 WOOO! HOOO! This one only took 7 minutes to get posted. Way to go Thomas! Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Geilfuss Charles Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:07 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test - 03 Received 8-14-08 @ 2pm. BTW, I have directly e-mailed Thomas to let him know of the problems we are having. He travels quite a bit so we may not hear from him for a while. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:25 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Test - 03 Sent 6:24am, 14 Aug 2008 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:30:55 2008 Received: (qmail 7128 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:30:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC334C418A; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D2081C3802 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 73762 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2008 18:24:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=nfGWVjw/pkya68gtCaNrfcm/25socbe5hwmZ4JMnOVUXtBZU88skWGdfVzKTgk2u2GnPlen/GbCzpRoWxOb7EKybyT5n6vEs+EpSZrc5LQOnt+UpOPAKrAc//WSTPSTP3xymWpB+/Jkc09xiB99n5ZfCq8NTOTkwIVphdIjRGhI=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:24:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Test - 03 To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <15729.73735.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:30:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a479de168141702588592 They are coming left and right now!! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:39:23 2008 Received: (qmail 19968 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0F8C403E; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572A0C4257 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:30:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 6740 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 11:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 11:23:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:23:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list Subject: [OM] Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:39:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47bda317578512572685 There's an interesting essay on resolution at Luminous-Landscape which summarizes a lot I've read on resolution limits and puts it all together. The bottom line is to cling to those middle apertures for the best resolving power since diffraction gets you on the small end and numerous other abberations (chroma, coma, etc) get you on the large end. Of particular interest is the maximum number of pixels that can be resolved with a theoretically perfect lens for various sensor formats. For 35mm size sensors like the 5D even a diffraction limited lens can't do better than 16 MP at f/11. Shooting at f/16 takes it down to only 7 MP. f/8 can theoretically deliver 29 MP but it would take a mighty fine lens to go with that mighty big pixel count. As you move down in sensor size you must also use wider apertures to maintain sufficient resolution for those tiny pixels. With an APS-C size sensor (most of them) you've got to stay at f/8 to achieve a theoretical maximum of 13 MP. With a 4/3 size sensor you've got to shoot at about f/5.6. The limit for f/5.6 is 17 MP but the limit for f/8 is only 8 MP. For a 10 MP E-3 or E-4xx/5xx that means that shooting at f/8 or smaller is giving you less resolution than what's possible with an E-330. The following is a rather long and detailed article so you might want to skip directly to Table 3 near the bottom of the page. Also note that the resolution limits are only for yellow-green light at 555 microns. Your lens will deliver even worse performance at the red and blue ends of the spectrum. While not listed in the table, I conclude that the resolution limit for my 5 MP Minolta A1 probably occurs at about f/4. It also explains DP Review's comment when testing the 8 MP Minolta A2 (that uses the same lens) that the sensor out-resolved the lens. See: Chuck Norcutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:52:55 2008 Received: (qmail 25431 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:52:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279BAC39C7; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21905C395E for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 5436 invoked by uid 502); 14 Aug 2008 18:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.168.36) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 18:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <48A47A83.5080507@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:33:39 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Server Problems? [Was IMG: Garden Spider] References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> <20080813042217.eazersajok0oo4og@webmail.tuffmail.net> <20080814100955.l2wpdy9ts4cgk4k0@webmail.tuffmail.net> In-Reply-To: <20080814100955.l2wpdy9ts4cgk4k0@webmail.tuffmail.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:52:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47f07276551993019900 J. Van Brimmer wrote: > ...... > > Somebody needs to call a doctor in for the server. :-) > Done and repaired. I forwarded your post to the list mum, who kicked the ISP in the rear. I had emailed him before, but your specific message provided much better info than the generic "The list is reallly slow". Thanks As you should have noticed by now, turnaround is down to a few minutes. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:54:19 2008 Received: (qmail 13135 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:54:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091B2C3411; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A129C3C91 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7EIaUaR002313 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: Subject: [OM] FREE file size reducer? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:36:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Acj+PKs9mx4cUH+HR4q92F3ZLfz0EQ== X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:54:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47f5b259931529615919 I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size in bulk. I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship soccer's games in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out afterwards they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised as free. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:55:06 2008 Received: (qmail 24452 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6626AC2DFE; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:54:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cerebus.winsite.com (cerebus.winsite.com [199.26.180.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0DCC36DD for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:40:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local (pool-96-230-117-175.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net [96.230.117.175]) by cerebus.winsite.com (8.14.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id m7EIeULt011064 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: <48A47C19.1020903@ctgonline.org> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:40:25 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: ML Motorsports User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:55:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47f8a220411342116753 John Hudson wrote: > > .............. foie gras might work better :-) > Goose foie gras, or hamster foie gras? I would imagine it would take a whole lot of hamsters.... -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:55:31 2008 Received: (qmail 504 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:55:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF29C2B0F; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:55:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:55:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7CAC4499 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:45:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16915 invoked by uid 502); 14 Aug 2008 18:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.206.108) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 18:45:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48A47D40.2090304@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:45:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> <6CE267DAA2D9478AB89C1116A149B724@Alaisdairthree> <000001c8fe39$d257cea0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> In-Reply-To: <000001c8fe39$d257cea0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:55:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47fa3162071257536491 ---------------------------------------------------------- Resend of a post from two days ago that bounced, rather than merely being delayed. ---------------------------------------------------------- William Sommerwerck wrote: > This is likely premature, but it probably can't hurt. > > Several years ago, being nearly dead-broke, I was obliged to sell off > my OM system. What a shame! I hope some are still floating around the list. :-) > ... > The OM is unquestionably one of the great 35mm cameras. Olympus's > attempt to create an "SLR Leica" was largely successful. (It's richly > comic for Olympus to play up the extreme compactness of their smaller > DSLRs. Their writer has likely never seen an OM and its lenses.) > That was certainly true. I was in a shop with OM-1 & 50/1.4 around my neck trying out an E-420 with the 25/2.8 pancake lens. The body is a bit bigger, but not much, and the lens is quite a bit smaller, although also slower. Very comparable packages in terms of size and weight. I don't think the argument about Oly abandoning their commitment to small (D)SLRs holds up since the E-410. > I've switched to Canon, so there's no practical need to retain any OM > equipment. But I have a strong attachment to the OM system, both > sentimental and technological. > Canon is my primary equipment, but I still shoot some film in OMs > I'd very much like to put together a "memorial" system, useful for > general photography, that could be tucked into my tiny 35-year-old > carrying case *. Specifically, I'd like to round up a 24/2, 50/2 > macro, and 85/2, in really good shape. > My idea of a memorial system would not include the later, bigger, faster lenses. The original, small lenses seem more in keeping with the original concept to me. The 85/2 would work for me, as it was relatively early and started essentially as a differently formulated 100/2.8 24/2.8, 50/1.4, 100/2.8 and 200/5 with a plain old OM-1 (black) would be my candidate. If I had a 28/2.8, I might sub that for the 24/2.8, but my 28mm is f2. I have to admit that I found shooting with the OO frustrating. The vibration is a real problem with the 100, 135 and 200mm lenses and for macro with the 50/3.5. Somehow, a five pound bag of lead shot doesn't fit in a light compact kit. :-) A more practical kit for my use would have a 4 series body. When the roll of film in my OM-1 is done, the next roll will likely go into an OM-4. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:55:50 2008 Received: (qmail 20150 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8C8C2F84; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 96920C4636 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30321 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 09:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 09:46:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:45:58 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:55:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47fb659451342116753 It may weigh slightly less but only covers half the range! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 14/08/2008, at 12:03 AM, Geilfuss Charles wrote: > but held on to a > core OM kit consisting of an OM-2n with a 24/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/3.5, 85/2 > and 200/5. I would love to have a 40/2 but have been unable to find > one > at a less-than-ridiculous price. I considered the fast primes but > rejected that path due to expense and weight. I really like this film > kit primarily due to small size and weight. I haven't weighed it but I > swear the whole kit is less than the E-500, ZD 12-60 and ZD 50-200. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 20:56:16 2008 Received: (qmail 17572 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 18:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 18:56:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C54FC2B1F; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:55:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:55:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEF5C2F6E for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:53:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7EIrHS3007543 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <7B992C0383B2421CB01C12C77F2E5374@hudson> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Test Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: <0C55AB79F82B4E9C9CD2E99CE5D1A959@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Acj783895zBAZgAeSW65YNlzc7CzXAAApHbAAJI6CqA= X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 20:56:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a47fd0236431073733319 All of my posts are still taking 2-3 days to get here. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Timpe, Jim Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:06 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Test I received this at my work email at about 1PM Pacific time. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hudson Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:18 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Test Sent 7:17am, 11 Aug 2008 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:01:47 +0100 References: <200808050139.m751d3Un002621@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4897C0F0.6040003@gmail.com> <48982E20.4020902@chucknorcutt.com> <48984F47.5070408@adinet.com.uy> <489991BF.1070909@verizon.net> <7e764efe0808070647t19d9269esb05aa85fe1f4f138@mail.gmail.com> <001901c8f9e3$635ab300$060ba8c0@main> <001501c8fac4$3e5f5bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <4AE9C03A-14F2-408A-AEE9-21971D52C5C1@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:02:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4813c156357927319144 Oh, I like that, Charlie! That was very good :-) (GM) Chris On 13 Aug 2008, at 15:36, Geilfuss Charles wrote: > > Chris, > I couldn't agree more. So many new products, particularly > electronics, are so obsessed with providing all conceivable features > for > any possible situation they suffer from such badly designed feature > bloat that renders then barely usable. For example, when we moved into > our most recent home it came pre-wired with a 5 channel audio/video > system. On a friend's advice I purchased a Denon 5.1 channel > receiver to > run the system. The manual for this system runs to 300+ pages (and > that's just one language!) and the remote has about 75 buttons. Good > grief. > And another thing, if General Motors starts making food I'll > switch to Toyota turnips. ;^) > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of Chris Barker > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:23 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: you brits are pathetic... > > > Hmm, I don't believe that "petulant" describes my, errm, surprise at > the authority some give "facts" on the www, or in the press. > > Gadgets should have instructions only to back up well-designed > functionality. I have just bought 2 digital immersion heater timers > to get rid of the noise that the analogue 24hr gizmos made. I have > read the instructions and set the times, but I keep having to go back > to the instructions because the system is so badly designed. The same > goes for setting the time on our cooker: the functionality is just not > intuitive. I save worrying about it on our microwave by switching it > off at the plug when it's not in use -- saves energy as well ... > > That's one reason that I don't trust GM food: if engineers can't get > electronic gadgets right, why should I trust other engineers to modify > the genes at minimum risk? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:04:28 2008 Received: (qmail 12602 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:04:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCE2C28B9; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:04:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:04:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12252C2AA9 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:04:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CCDC9728 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:19:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <40EC0039-9646-4EEF-BCE3-9765337FF948@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A4321D.9090805@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:04:14 +0100 References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A18A26.4060808@ctgonline.org> <001201c8fd49$557a7db0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <48A4321D.9090805@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:04:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a481bc178185368819438 The rate of degradation depends, Chuck, on the compression when saved. Chris On 14 Aug 2008, at 14:24, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Not simply closed but re-saved. But you have to do it a fair number > of > times to cause any serious damage. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:05:40 2008 Received: (qmail 6239 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:05:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADF0C290D; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:05:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:05:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.226.244]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D7CC27D3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [138.23.208.248] (sproul-dhcp-248.ucr.edu [138.23.208.248]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.8.5-GA) with ESMTP id CUM94575 (AUTH siddiq@ucr.edu) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <9462B9B2-B2B3-496B-9059-1E778F5FB5A3@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:05:23 -0700 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at sentoku.ucr.edu) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: siddiq@ucr.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:05:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48204197331023412894 picasa? On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Scott Peden wrote: > > I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size > in bulk. > > I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship > soccer's games > in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. > > Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out > afterwards > they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised > as free. > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:11:41 2008 Received: (qmail 25506 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:11:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83B2C27CC; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:11:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:11:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9CAC2BAF for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:11:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A8CC9756 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:26:35 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?US-ASCII?Q?=F1?= orita Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:11:27 +0100 References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:11:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4836c145391823421471 The results look good, Ian. I particularly like the shot of Kerstin, of you and Cai in that little cubicle (?) and the plastic, red racing car. And it looks as if you let someone else use your camera and 70-300! Can this be true?? :-) Chris On 12 Aug 2008, at 06:06, swisspace wrote: > I have been having so many problems at work that only now do I have > time > to reply to some posts. It was a rare occurrence but our small camera > shop had a 70-300mm lens in stock so I took a few sample pics and then > later some more and decided that the performance matched my 300/4.5 > and > that it was a zoom and much smaller. though tempted by the 50-200 > SWD I > wanted the extra reach. > > Now I have a "small" walkaround kit of E3 7-14 12-60 and 70-300 > which > covers well if not bulky, a couple of weeks ago we went to stay by > the > Bodensee, I haven't had time to add comments to the pictures but I am > generally pleased with my collection of lenses. Hovering at the top > left > of the image and clicking on the i will display the exif data > including > focal length. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/5626360_fxqN4 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:18:09 2008 Received: (qmail 8497 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:18:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A538C2B0E; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA37C2BDD for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EJHtV2025446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:17:55 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EJHtHI012990 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:17:55 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:17:55 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:17:53 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] FREE file size reducer? Thread-Index: Acj+PKs9mx4cUH+HR4q92F3ZLfz0EQABVUBg References: From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 19:17:55.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[74286480:01C8FE42] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140057 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140057 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:18:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a484f1166622046811720 Scott, Well it's not free, but if you have Photoshop it will resize a batch of photos to whatever size you want. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Peden Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:37 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] FREE file size reducer? I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size in bulk. I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship soccer's games in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out afterwards they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised as free. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:32:44 2008 Received: (qmail 13138 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16B5C28F0; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:32:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:32:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E2EC2AFF for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:32:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w15.irbs.net (w15.irbs.net [205.237.194.59]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5896023E56B for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 158.154.2.128 ([158.154.2.128]) by webmail.tuffmail.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:32:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20080814123227.ro1ygrlqb4s8ccsw@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:32:27 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Server Problems? [Was IMG: Garden Spider] References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> <20080813042217.eazersajok0oo4og@webmail.tuffmail.net> <20080814100955.l2wpdy9ts4cgk4k0@webmail.tuffmail.net> <48A47A83.5080507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A47A83.5080507@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:32:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4885c121881234514069 Quoting Moose : Moose once said: > J. Van Brimmer wrote: >> ...... >> >> Somebody needs to call a doctor in for the server. :-) >> > Done and repaired. I forwarded your post to the list mum, who kicked the > ISP in the rear. I had emailed him before, but your specific message > provided much better info than the generic "The list is reallly slow". > Thanks > > As you should have noticed by now, turnaround is down to a few minutes. Yep, You sent this message at 18:33:58 UT I received at: 18:52:56 UT Much better than 29 hours. :-) > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > One Happy Snapper, jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:35:51 2008 Received: (qmail 9509 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31366C2BB9; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F84C2C47 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:35:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EJZa9s007206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:35:37 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EJZVHt027197 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:35:36 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:35:35 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] FREE file size reducer? Thread-Index: Acj+PKs9mx4cUH+HR4q92F3ZLfz0EQACCOrw References: From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 19:35:35.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC5D0710:01C8FE44] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140059 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140059 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:35:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4891785031946193717 I just remembered, Irfanview will batch resize and is also free. http://www.irfanview.com/ Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Scott Peden Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:37 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] FREE file size reducer? I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size in bulk. I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship soccer's games in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out afterwards they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised as free. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:38:01 2008 Received: (qmail 5914 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:38:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F151EC28E4; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd6mo1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0BFC2C09 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (HELO pd5ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.153.166]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 14 Aug 2008 13:37:47 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=Kv5F6aOYNjqH0s3uTQUA:9 a=cEx8rg7fAnl3eOk6y-PJEJHShtoA:4 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd5ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 14 Aug 2008 13:37:47 -0600 Message-Id: From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Using MobileMe gallery Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:37:47 -0600 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:38:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48999171742046811720 Hi A question for list members that use Aperture 2 - I set up a MobileMe site (because it asked me to and made it easy) BUT I don't know how to access it or to share it. There are 1100 photos on it of my 6 week Africa jaunt some of which may be of interest. Can anyone help? Thanks Gord ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:40:01 2008 Received: (qmail 15635 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:40:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148DAC2D01; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:39:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:39:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id ED7ABC2C7C for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:39:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28792 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2008 19:39:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Q+GU7RahyhmvGotKtKE3RR+rIMkw1JNKKFA+3dwCO8Yx+23TYcb/IJcNyc69YvZYdp9FkyTNh1VPS6FHrtFOWKn91uPd8UPBoPKK6qRa7jkNMiAJS9KtoS1aJ3jGz3+kspWH3eFa58yTc3wPhwvQwRSs141p9w72o7w2bff4LpU=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:39:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:40:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48a11253411234514069 I have decided to hold on to an OM-1n and 50 Zuiko Lens. I also picked up a Yashica Electro GT. These two will be my mainstays for film now. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:56:58 2008 Received: (qmail 23840 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:56:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A043C2D2B; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0825CC2D6A for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EJuini023058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:56:44 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EJuhOb019703 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:56:44 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:56:43 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:56:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Thread-Index: Acj+R1/l4hzZSCaFQv2RfAzDzbHaFgAAFteg References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 19:56:43.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFF0C310:01C8FE47] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140059 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140059 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:56:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48e0a231331234514069 AS, Which 50 are you going to keep? ;^) Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of AS Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:40 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system I have decided to hold on to an OM-1n and 50 Zuiko Lens. I also picked up a Yashica Electro GT. These two will be my mainstays for film now. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 21:59:53 2008 Received: (qmail 14013 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 19:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 19:59:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C07C2E13; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98E5C2BB4 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w15.irbs.net (w15.irbs.net [205.237.194.59]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6645323E592 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 158.154.2.128 ([158.154.2.128]) by webmail.tuffmail.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:59:41 -0700 Message-ID: <20080814125941.e84k72m3sook0kko@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:59:41 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 21:59:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48eb9284841591313764 Ahhhh, that's good Charlie, real good. LOL LOL, :-) Quoting Geilfuss Charles : Geilfuss Charles once said: > > AS, > Which 50 are you going to keep? ;^) > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of AS > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:40 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system > > > > I have decided to hold on to an OM-1n and 50 Zuiko Lens. I also picked > up a Yashica Electro GT. These two will be my mainstays for film now. > > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > One Happy Snapper, jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:01:18 2008 Received: (qmail 26817 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:01:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C0FC295C; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB41BC2B58 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so3984959gxk.17 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:00:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=G2+oq2qgwfWeXpilQJYiysvNE+9z00lBL3PhZmfQ5BA=; b=Eb8VLc67VvKC+euPk4ABVejLbEzGEJ6QZ352w5OTjUcAzwjDdYd9IphcgvJ3BFp+r3 107+EdvZniVt9flo8s9ZADRYbHe4m66MB0nIokiu2mFpfrit32d2GwF8DZ7bCJvaVUl4 ph8Dx+/ONQ3bGOR5+hNgaukAYhX9uZkYTMW5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kUAER0jE9irZlgqf71i6as6qKnV4i3gj9B00qgKpRLjQ4qysn8cAp26+geetpGUHY2 kRpjGxDRA8SXh+qPFsZGtSM9RPhE7vhwnrXjVtJ1XW3QXps1NfUGsOc5ieQEr/EpadDE AeKtqsBCNMk2YBcMMxT0IO/ZkmO3nse5AVWDA= Received: by 10.151.158.2 with SMTP id k2mr2387506ybo.125.1218744045604; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.220.7 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:00:45 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Server Problems? [Was IMG: Garden Spider] In-Reply-To: <20080814123227.ro1ygrlqb4s8ccsw@webmail.tuffmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> <20080813042217.eazersajok0oo4og@webmail.tuffmail.net> <20080814100955.l2wpdy9ts4cgk4k0@webmail.tuffmail.net> <48A47A83.5080507@gmail.com> <20080814123227.ro1ygrlqb4s8ccsw@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3d1eb6c19f1318e0 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:01:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48f0e309342046811720 It's still taking me DAYS to get my email messages. Oh, wait. Maybe it's because the northwoods isn't wired for WiFi yet. ;) AG (checking in on a heisted wifi connection in the laundrymat in Houghton Michigan) Schnoss ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:03:16 2008 Received: (qmail 23199 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:03:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE359C2CCA; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:03:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:03:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB3AC2E61 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:03:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w15.irbs.net (w15.irbs.net [205.237.194.59]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55B723E402 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 158.154.2.128 ([158.154.2.128]) by webmail.tuffmail.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20080814130301.nbfg3waf44k0oks4@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:03:01 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080814125941.e84k72m3sook0kko@webmail.tuffmail.net> In-Reply-To: <20080814125941.e84k72m3sook0kko@webmail.tuffmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:03:16 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48f84105841744846740 Wow, that last message of mine only took 13 seconds to turn around! Three big OM-1n cheers for the doctor! Quoting "J. Van Brimmer" : J. Van Brimmer once said: > > Ahhhh, that's good Charlie, real good. LOL LOL, :-) > > > Quoting Geilfuss Charles : Geilfuss > Charles once said: > >> One Happy Snapper, jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:04:04 2008 Received: (qmail 13622 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:04:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B317C2AFF; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:03:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:03:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423E7C2EFE for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:03:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 9D5C75496M for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:03:50 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:03:49 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Thread-Index: Acj+R1/l4hzZSCaFQv2RfAzDzbHaFgAAFtegAAA8hlA= From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 20:03:50.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE8779A0:01C8FE48] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:04:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a48fb4116482336821329 Charlie asked AS: Which 50 are you going to keep? ;^) Meaning, I'm sure, which 50 lenses are you going to keep. 8^0 This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VFR1Kx1h0pReM4Nm4nqGQp1djcpaQdmkXoljma07N0L2BVDR5G8u0Jr0sBLjl5WHpO ni//x2nhQUtlcW45IP7rAYMvgh+65ykwrZyWqZem7bTjVHf+B/8SfuFFJ45XDqQ3xYFo xfEzp50w0wNGT9gX43lEhH9Hger5LDzlq8QM0= Received: by 10.150.230.15 with SMTP id c15mr2389020ybh.160.1218744314185; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.220.7 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:05:08 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system In-Reply-To: <48A47D40.2090304@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> <6CE267DAA2D9478AB89C1116A149B724@Alaisdairthree> <000001c8fe39$d257cea0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> <48A47D40.2090304@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1b58a2726aaebeff X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:05:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49006279389347015869 The sad part of this "memorial system" is that it is going to be fancier than my MAINLINE SYSTEM!!!!! While you guys are abandoning the OM system, I'm actually migrating back towards it. Go figure... It's the lenses, folks, it's the lenses.... AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:05:38 2008 Received: (qmail 26013 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:05:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F86C2F12; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C0BC2D0A for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [216.243.164.157] (216-243-164-157.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.157]) by mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:05:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-164-157.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.157] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <48A49039.4050102@tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:06:17 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: hanse112@tc.umn.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:05:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49012219611529615919 A trip to Yellowstone NP, even if only for a couple days, could include an hour or more tour with a guide covering how the extensive forest fires of 20 or so years ago have affected the Park. Old Faithful will be around for awhile; the fires were a once-in-a-couple-lifetimes event. If there's not enough time (seems as though there never is) to get into the woods, see if there's an evening slide show with before, during, and after views of the same landscape. Dean ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:07:42 2008 Received: (qmail 15294 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:07:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24064C2E68; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047DAC2F6B for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 14 Aug 2008 16:07:28 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id KEL75017; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-199-29.s1553.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com (HELO PAB0180015360) ([216.164.199.29]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 16:07:24 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20080814160722.009d7730@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sctroy@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:07:22 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr From: Stephen Troy Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system In-Reply-To: <560116.67899.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: sctroy@erols.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:07:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4908e55111993019900 At 01:04 PM 08/14/2008 -0700, AS wrote: > >OM 50mm F1.8. Yes, but which one?? ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:10:10 2008 Received: (qmail 18811 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:10:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5999C2F46; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:09:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:09:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CF88C2F3F for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:09:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 47937 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2008 20:09:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=pqNi7Y/AFYl9k2UCxaQteLp3wwovAnqenIrO7bCbWd34rYZgV8QT5aPjQuOxR06vYj6YlBPl5v8mRvRzIklyA59Tqr6dSCGyAgSFeOquxD/LjKcHNBC7CVByYlBogf5Iwe3k9E0P3J4HOgMY1EgDI7QzSWXLiBYO4+zFGyROExs=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:09:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20080814160722.009d7730@pop.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <669848.47858.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:10:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49122306541234514069 It does not say MIJ on the front. Its a little banged up also. I half thought about getting another one. Since its not in front of me right now I cant tell you what markings it has up front. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:10:39 2008 Received: (qmail 15243 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:10:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAA4C2B05; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:10:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:10:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E11C2C2C4A for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:10:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 43483 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2008 20:10:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=4773TEY2n4D/kkBebXpWErFJVZG9KwkITGKndoEa2Lj6/aEaHEAVjk8jONVQE4SQsdrpbvHex5CuHzj+cmpsIjy6MiOZpm2HneQgEiduaYVzaNupoQOAlz7R2VdY2L2tfjwEJmJIRQ2lyIU2nXqxRGumMl1SsAzt7vQ/9ywGrOs=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:10:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <358915.42636.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:10:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4913f283377350615338 I wish I had 50 lenses!! 8-)) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:12:48 2008 Received: (qmail 9907 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:12:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F62BC2B5F; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F76EC2ADA for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so4005295gxk.17 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=A8UGc/9O1uARojrtIWqi4UvnYPuBDVRywMJP01m0ZkM=; b=XAHfFz8DeOYJTsu0s2g/HJPRdToYY1iONZzrc8zJw9/QNFk8/HbTR5W4T2sJqgDgb3 kVAtGfP9XdvaRavszSSOVqbkqFfe4PIMI/4H3Ma3TUWwFpomTrFS/sp0uxoQRQ7HOutj H5tgZZsWI743Kl0TivLnV9f9A/kYt1W8AZypw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mBwmPAmxGN33WU1hOyKqQbT/Fih26mTZZK4gu2MIVga+8JzsYatgMNmM98HOi2V8+F garuuf/iXAta6QcdcBPaY/rbgHp+RxktJi9L4BCkFtIPVJutDoYso0Z8CLsD2zpscy2I gJoUkV/uVU+eSzzTnfGGiU1B+vejRM2h+qRMc= Received: by 10.150.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr2404565ybb.114.1218744755624; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.220.7 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:12:35 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? In-Reply-To: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ab92f8c0b238ceff X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:12:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a491c0208551946193717 I'm not sure that the A2 outresolves the lens. I think it just outresolves technique. Back on my website, I had published lens tests on the A1. I was trying to figure out the sharpest apertures. What amazed me was that with the exception of wide-open and F11, there was almost no difference between any aperture at any focal length. Granted, once you got past F7.1 things started to slide downhill, but not by much. I found that the greatest resolution trick in the book for the KM cameras was processing the images in RawShooter. (RIP) Also, I challenge the numbers on the 4/3 format. When talking resolution limits with digital, the diagonal measurement no longer applies. The sensor height of the 4/3 sensor is almost that of APS-C. Feel free to use the same calculation for APS-C. With almost all of my lenses, I can go out to F8 without hitting defraction limits. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:27:54 2008 Received: (qmail 31287 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:27:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943FAC2E42; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:27:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:27:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6958FC2E24 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:27:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650E2C9728 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:42:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Using MobileMe gallery Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:27:26 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:27:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4954a317762336821329 Gord You set those preferences when you make a new album, but if you highlight an existing album and the click on the Preferences button (icon with 2 little switches at the top, in the middle) you can revise them. Chris On 14 Aug 2008, at 20:37, Gordon Ross wrote: > > Hi > > A question for list members that use Aperture 2 - I set up a MobileMe > site (because it asked me to and made it easy) BUT I don't know how > to access it or to share it. There are 1100 photos on it of my 6 week > Africa jaunt some of which may be of interest. Can anyone help? > > Thanks Gord ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:30:04 2008 Received: (qmail 63 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:30:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF6DC2F2C; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EF5C2EDC for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846AEC970D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:44:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <286D83D0-8E8E-4568-9C7A-AAAEBEC1D6D7@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:29:51 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <4885D69D757B42EBB0E32CD5F7B041D6@hudson> <286D83D0-8E8E-4568-9C7A-AAAEBEC1D6D7@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:30:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a495cc79401591313764 Well, I should be really interested to hear, Andrew. Oh and the mini-4/3rds stuff might be worth divulging as well ... :-) Chris On 13 Aug 2008, at 14:00, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Having lunch with OlyAus next week and I strongly suspect it's to do > with the new mini-4/3rds compact system. > I'll let you know. > Wonder what's for lunch.... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:47:21 2008 Received: (qmail 9299 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461F8C334D; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:47:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:47:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE248C3185 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:47:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.85]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EKl01c027944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:47:01 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7EKkwTT016098 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:47:00 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:47:00 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Thread-Index: Acj+QXSBNM1yEkLSR+mLnz8gipX1NgADWD6Q References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> From: "Geilfuss Charles" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 20:47:00.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6469A30:01C8FE4E] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=4837 signatures=206690 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140066 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0808140066 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Charles.Geilfuss@HCAhealthcare.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:47:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a499d974185368819438 True but I can move twice as fast. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Andrew Fildes Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:46 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system It may weigh slightly less but only covers half the range! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 14/08/2008, at 12:03 AM, Geilfuss Charles wrote: > but held on to a > core OM kit consisting of an OM-2n with a 24/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/3.5, 85/2 > and 200/5. I would love to have a 40/2 but have been unable to find > one > at a less-than-ridiculous price. I considered the fast primes but > rejected that path due to expense and weight. I really like this film > kit primarily due to small size and weight. I haven't weighed it but I > swear the whole kit is less than the E-500, ZD 12-60 and ZD 50-200. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:51:48 2008 Received: (qmail 934 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:51:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64282C2BBF; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:51:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:51:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0ACEC2917 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:51:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25837 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 20:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 20:51:30 -0000 Message-ID: <48A49AD2.9010404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:51:30 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> <48A10A0A.3080701@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A10A0A.3080701@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:51:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49ae4220511869477228 Resending. It was returned as undeliverable. Chuck Whatta cutie! Photography ain't bad either! Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Flash Is Evil >> > I'd like to agree wholeheartedly. I certainly don't like the look of > on-camera flash, and am not patient enough for, nor really interested > in, multiple off camera flashes. I'll go to considerable lengths to > avoid flash. > > Sometimes, thought, it's the only tool for the job. Sitting around at > kiddie bedtime in a darkish room, with people, especially one of the > subjects, who move about quickly and often, flash is one answer. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 22:59:17 2008 Received: (qmail 9044 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 20:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 20:59:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848DFC30F5; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A1CC300F for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.59.195]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5L00K83AL1WJV2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:58:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:58:14 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Test - 02 In-reply-to: <031FA29C35A3440DB807F54821F867E4@hudson> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A41DD6.2000701@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <031FA29C35A3440DB807F54821F867E4@hudson> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 22:59:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49ca570131035110158 received 8/13. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html John Hudson wrote: > > Sent 8:39am, 11 Aug 2008 > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:02:02 2008 Received: (qmail 31758 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:02:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22889C2B57; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:01:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:01:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F9EC2804 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32347 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 21:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 21:01:48 -0000 Message-ID: <48A49D3C.6080007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:01:48 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <627157.8669.qm@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A18A26.4060808@ctgonline.org> <001201c8fd49$557a7db0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <48A4321D.9090805@chucknorcutt.com> <40EC0039-9646-4EEF-BCE3-9765337FF948@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <40EC0039-9646-4EEF-BCE3-9765337FF948@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:02:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49d4a311861470116606 No doubt but if you want to move away from default compression levels I can degrade it significantly on the first pass. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > The rate of degradation depends, Chuck, on the compression when saved. > > Chris > > On 14 Aug 2008, at 14:24, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Not simply closed but re-saved. But you have to do it a fair number >> of >> times to cause any serious damage. > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:05:50 2008 Received: (qmail 11044 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7B0C2FE6; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DE4C2F3C for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2267 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 21:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 21:05:34 -0000 Message-ID: <48A49E1E.90900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:05:34 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A49039.4050102@tc.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <48A49039.4050102@tc.umn.edu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:05:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49e2e186161744846740 As we're starting to flesh out some detail it appears that even a 6 week time period doesn't allow much time for anything. Chuck Norcutt Dean Hansen wrote: > A trip to Yellowstone NP, even if only for a couple days, could include > an hour or more tour with a guide covering how the extensive forest > fires of 20 or so years ago have affected the Park. Old Faithful will > be around for awhile; the fires were a once-in-a-couple-lifetimes > event. If there's not enough time (seems as though there never is) to > get into the woods, see if there's an evening slide show with before, > during, and after views of the same landscape. > Dean ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:08:27 2008 Received: (qmail 13447 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:08:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3792C2B5C; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3912BC2D5E for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4210 invoked by uid 504); 14 Aug 2008 21:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 21:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48A49EBE.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:08:14 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:08:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a49ecb280951234514069 You should read the article before disputing the numbers. The numbers are based on pixel dimensions, not physical sensor sizes or ratios. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I'm not sure that the A2 outresolves the lens. I think it just outresolves > technique. Back on my website, I had published lens tests on the A1. I was > trying to figure out the sharpest apertures. What amazed me was that with > the exception of wide-open and F11, there was almost no difference between > any aperture at any focal length. Granted, once you got past F7.1 things > started to slide downhill, but not by much. I found that the greatest > resolution trick in the book for the KM cameras was processing the images in > RawShooter. (RIP) > > Also, I challenge the numbers on the 4/3 format. When talking resolution > limits with digital, the diagonal measurement no longer applies. The sensor > height of the 4/3 sensor is almost that of APS-C. Feel free to use the same > calculation for APS-C. > > With almost all of my lenses, I can go out to F8 without hitting defraction > limits. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:15:45 2008 Received: (qmail 32356 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:15:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93154C2928; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:15:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:15:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com [129.196.250.12]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CEEC2ABA for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:15:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw01.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 7752BEC1TB for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:31 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:30 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48A49E1E.90900@chucknorcutt.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Thread-Index: Acj+UYmz9DHg9grTS/u6gTX+Y3KxhAAAUbfQ From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 21:15:31.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1F2D3A0:01C8FE52] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:15:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4a081178671823421471 Chuck Norcutt said.... As we're starting to flesh out some detail it appears that even a 6 week time period doesn't allow much time for anything. I think six months wouldn't be sufficient. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:19:02 2008 Received: (qmail 11089 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E6AC2831; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:18:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:18:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62259C27A3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:18:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5M008JO0JD2CG0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:18:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:14:14 -0300 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:18:59 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkgLAKQ+pEgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBXIdYrhgDgVI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,211,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="296964001" References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> <48A47C19.1020903@ctgonline.org> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:19:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4a146304837927319144 ...... how about Canada geese ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Braun" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? > John Hudson wrote: >> >> .............. foie gras might work better :-) >> > Goose foie gras, or hamster foie gras? I would imagine it would take a > whole lot of hamsters.... > > -- > > > > Paul Braun > Valparaiso, IN > > "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins > > "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon > > "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:19:48 2008 Received: (qmail 4474 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:19:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF44C302B; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D829C3030 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.cdc.34150dca (42807) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:19:33 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:19:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4a174158071234514069 In a message dated 8/14/2008 3:05:34 PM Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: I'm actually migrating back towards it. Go figure... Ken, I see a pinhole in your future. I'm talking the real deal, not some body cap. My Nicca 3S returns next week from a CLA. Most recent purchase: Graflex Speed Graphic. Current kit in car: Olympus OM 2S with 85mm f2 and 21mm f2, a few filters, Olympus Chrome 6 and Diana +. Film isn't dead at my house. Oh, I guess a just lied. My most recent purchase was a quick release plate for the e-3 with the battery grip. Wasn't easy to find, however they are finally being made. Find it here: _http://acratech.net/home.php?cat=127_ (http://acratech.net/home.php?cat=127) Bill Barber **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:41:27 2008 Received: (qmail 10748 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:41:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCC6C30D8; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:41:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:41:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7128BC2B15 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:41:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8011 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 21:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:41:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:41:08 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:41:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4a686199801499373980 The hamsters were replaced by rats some time ago. They are faster, stronger, less fussy in their feed but more prone to industrial action. At present they have filed a grievance and are working to rule. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 2:28 AM, Paul Braun wrote: > Perhaps the hamsters are getting tired. Please throw some more > Hamster > Chow (tm) in the cage..... ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Thu Aug 14 23:50:22 2008 Received: (qmail 12292 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 21:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:50:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7E7C2B9C; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:50:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:50:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cerebus.winsite.com (cerebus.winsite.com [199.26.180.3]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E5AC2ED4 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:50:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local (pool-96-230-117-175.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net [96.230.117.175]) by cerebus.winsite.com (8.14.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id m7ELo9D1031062 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: <48A4A88C.3020800@ctgonline.org> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:50:04 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: ML Motorsports User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: cygnus@ctgonline.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Aug 14 23:50:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4a89e58991823421471 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The hamsters were replaced by rats some time ago. > They are faster, stronger, less fussy in their feed but more prone to > industrial action. > At present they have filed a grievance and are working to rule. Hmmm. I'm surprised at that -- in my experience rats are too smart to run in a wheel. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 00:20:56 2008 Received: (qmail 26432 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 22:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 22:20:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAB7C2F76; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 86776C2F16 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:20:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15479 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 22:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 22:20:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48A4A88C.3020800@ctgonline.org> References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> <48A4A88C.3020800@ctgonline.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <895C716F-F763-4BCC-A525-84C4DB4E731D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:20:38 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 00:20:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4afc8178211234514069 Exactly. Only on their own terms. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 7:50 AM, Paul Braun wrote: > Hmmm. I'm surprised at that -- in my experience rats are too smart to > run in a wheel. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 00:50:28 2008 Received: (qmail 32164 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 22:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 22:50:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C1CC2ADF; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:50:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:50:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF0EC2F84 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:50:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080814225015.CPZY8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:50:15 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 2NqE1a0053Hz7l802NqEx1; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:50:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c8fede$3a3e85f0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <48A49039.4050102@tc.umn.edu> <48A49E1E.90900@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:52:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 00:50:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4b6b450391257536491 Honestly, you have proposed a VERY substantial trip. If you are unacustomed to travel for long times in sparsely populated areas, you have a trip ahead of you. Have you considered flying to a place close to the first stop and renting a car? Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone As we're starting to flesh out some detail it appears that even a 6 week time period doesn't allow much time for anything. Chuck Norcutt Dean Hansen wrote: > A trip to Yellowstone NP, even if only for a couple days, could include > an hour or more tour with a guide covering how the extensive forest > fires of 20 or so years ago have affected the Park. Old Faithful will > be around for awhile; the fires were a once-in-a-couple-lifetimes > event. If there's not enough time (seems as though there never is) to > get into the woods, see if there's an evening slide show with before, > during, and after views of the same landscape. > Dean ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 01:04:39 2008 Received: (qmail 8696 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 23:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 23:04:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2982CC311E; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:04:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:04:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E222C2FDE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:04:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14703 invoked by uid 502); 14 Aug 2008 23:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.207.225) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 23:04:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48A4B9EF.9040809@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:04:15 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A49039.4050102@tc.umn.edu> <48A49E1E.90900@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A49E1E.90900@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 01:04:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4ba07324711946193717 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > As we're starting to flesh out some detail it appears that even a 6 week > time period doesn't allow much time for anything. > It's sort of like high compression JPEG, trying to do a 6 month trip in 6 weeks and ending up with a lot of detail missing. I applaud your effort, although it makes me tired just thinking about it. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 01:07:22 2008 Received: (qmail 28608 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 23:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 23:07:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D30BC2AB7; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A7FC27B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([72.81.130.245]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5M00L5A5JWNRE6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:07:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:07:27 -0400 From: Rand E Subject: [OM] Re: Server Problems? [Was IMG: Garden Spider] In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A4BAAF.70702@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7D449CA371984AE580A824B64F385FB2@jimnichols> <48A02966.5020304@verizon.net> <20080813042217.eazersajok0oo4og@webmail.tuffmail.net> <20080814100955.l2wpdy9ts4cgk4k0@webmail.tuffmail.net> <48A47A83.5080507@gmail.com> <20080814123227.ro1ygrlqb4s8ccsw@webmail.tuffmail.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: rtomcala@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 01:07:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4baaa86381234514069 I saw the biggest northern pike in that lake when I was younger (much). They do really have some big ones there. Rand E Ken Norton wrote: > It's still taking me DAYS to get my email messages. Oh, wait. Maybe it's > because the northwoods isn't wired for WiFi yet. ;) > > AG (checking in on a heisted wifi connection in the laundrymat in Houghton > Michigan) Schnoss > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 01:10:22 2008 Received: (qmail 1183 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 23:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 23:10:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1403C2FCE; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:10:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:10:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DB5C2D6A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:10:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18843 invoked by uid 502); 14 Aug 2008 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.207.225) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 23:10:09 -0000 Message-ID: <48A4BB4C.2060500@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:10:04 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 01:10:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4bb5e315854673671140 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The hamsters were replaced by rats some time ago. > They are faster, stronger, less fussy in their feed but more prone to > industrial action. > At present they ... are working to rule. > I didn't think rats would follow rules. Moose (Who has troubles with rules himself.) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 01:22:08 2008 Received: (qmail 14977 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 23:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 23:22:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC81C30F6; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE62C30C4 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c22.4245aad2 (37062) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-90c648a4be0f373; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:51 -0400 Received: from webmail-db19 (webmail-db19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.84]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA022-5bb348a4be0d183; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:50 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] #155 Gayton Northamptonshire Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:49 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:21:49 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACC7BA9BDAB7B-179C-314F@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 01:22:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4be20240138512572685 Many different planes for the eye to follow.? I like the composition.? Thanks for posting. Mike Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 35mm f2 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08155.htm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 01:33:36 2008 Received: (qmail 11180 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 23:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 23:33:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB1AC2B41; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EE2C2F30 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:33:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c3f.2dce2db0 (37121) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA017-910148a4c0bc23c; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:33:16 -0400 Received: from webmail-db19 (webmail-db19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.84]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA037-5bc048a4c0b727e; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:33:11 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Couple of Big Foot shots Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:33:11 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:33:11 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACC7D400D3584-179C-31E7@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 01:33:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4c0d0210321838542571 Thanks for mentioning it.? Dean had sent me a sheet of pol material for use with X pol flash shots and I "retaliated" by sending him a Plamp, which I knew he wanted.? Ironically I never got it together to place the order when I was getting other stuff.? I think your link will get me off my duff. Moose says: "Have you heard of the Wimberly Plamp? (Mine has a blue head.) I think it might be quite useful for many of the sorts of shots you seem to like to take." I should have been more precise with my wording.? I had shot comparison shots with the identical compositons, but did not post them. The shot /or bean filled bag does a remarkable job of damping vibrations.? I think the CV 125 has particulary pleasant bokeh even in the foreground but perhaps I am too easily impressed as no one else commented.? The terrible list server delay can't help?any with replies. Mike. "Hard to tell precisely, with the different subjects. Seems the second one isn't quite as sharp, but that could be down to several factors. both sharp enough for anything short of huge prints." ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 01:41:11 2008 Received: (qmail 25116 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 23:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 23:41:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1648FC2814; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4CC31D1 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:40:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.ca4.32aa9d6f (34894) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA013-884e48a4c2841fb; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:40:52 -0400 Received: from webmail-db19 (webmail-db19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.84]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a48a4c281337; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:40:49 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:40:49 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:40:49 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACC7E50A6C616-179C-323C@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 01:41:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4c296316702046811720 Yes, I rmember them and what a nice job? you did with the fancy manual mode flash.? I think your moniker of Dr. No Flash should be revoked and replace with RSM,? (A reluctant strobist Moose). Mike I don't know if you remember the images of another friend's graduation from Seminary. Another case where I think flash was simply required for most of the subjects and situations. Lets hope for a Micro 4/3 with something like a tiny 15-40/1.4-2.0 ..... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 01:47:18 2008 Received: (qmail 5715 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2008 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA73C2C5D; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEEFC2F58 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10377 invoked by uid 502); 14 Aug 2008 23:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.141.0.105) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Aug 2008 23:47:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:46:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] iView =>MS Expression Media References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <48A49EBE.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A49EBE.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 01:47:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4c406112749117217770 An interim report for those cataloging their digital images or considering it. I've been in need of cataloging software for some time. I've got a pretty good memory, but its capability has been outstripped. When MS bought iView, they repackaged it as Expression Media and packages of the old version were available at half price with free upgrade to the new version when it came out. My research had convinced me there was no killer app for this purpose, but that iView looked like the best choice for my needs. So I bought it. When I got the upgrade, I installed it, fired it up, and told it to catalog my image HD. It went into some sort of mostly comatose appearing state for many, many hours, and looked like it would never recover. It would occasionally respond to a mouse click or keystroke, after a lengthy delay. Eventually, I gave up and killed it. Even clicking the 'X' wouldn't do that, I had to use the OS to kill it. It also affected the response of other apps running - not a very well behaved background app. I suppose I did this a couple more times, giving up in between. This week, I tried it again, feeding it a couple of very small image directories. The problem became clear - it was stone slow! Every file it cataloged took 3-10 seconds, depending on size and type. So I did some looking on the web. Quite a few folks moaning about how MS had killed off a good product. so I backtracked, installing iView MediaPro 3. I did a quick comparison. The MS version was maybe a bit slower and balkier, but not much. I suppose I shouldn't have worried. I could just feed it a piece at a time and let it run overnight. Once the catalog(s) were created, it would probably be all right. Still, I wanted to move forward. And I simply hate things that run slow when it obviously isn't necessary. I've written my share of software, and won't stand for something unresponsive. Opening a JPEG that would appear instantly in FastStone Viewer took several seconds in iView. That didn't bode well for using it to go through my files doing cataloging. So, being the eternal optimist, I checked out the trial version of Expression Media 2. In the features list, they talk about improved speed, up to 10x on some operations. MS is like everybody else, averse to mentioning that they sold you a dog, so I guess they knew it was so awful before that they figured they'd not sell upgrades without 'fessing up and really fixing it. They didn't lie! Not only is cataloging much faster, but the interface isn't crippled while it's doing cataloging. The usage difference is night and day. The bad news is that they want another $100 to upgrade, bringing my total cost up to the full retail price. I guess I should be happy at the prospect of buying something that actually works? Now one disk is cataloged, and it's on to another. Then on to the really serious work of setting up the index keywords for all those files. Ugh. First, I'll see if the paid for version is usable for that and searching, once the heavy cataloging lifting is over. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 02:29:05 2008 Received: (qmail 6600 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 00:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 00:29:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A60C3425; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:28:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:28:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDAEC33A6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:28:53 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C9oACsw63Dr5BXAi8paG3njDoCBLngCP/eJpbp4IQGJwUSLrtaw1gfj85REIwLJR; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.97.107] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KTnBU-0008TD-FU for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:28:52 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008851502851878@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:28:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940087782c03185d59e0f804b8ef7ef28c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.97.107 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 02:29:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4cdd1106882336821329 Just a suggestion download Corel Paintshop Pro x-2 from their website. Its not free but will work for thirty days as a trial version they have a script function that I think would work for you you would just have to set it up then run it on batches of files. John > [Original Message] > From: Scott Peden > To: > Date: 8/14/2008 3:54:02 PM > Subject: [OM] FREE file size reducer? > > > I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size in bulk. > > I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship soccer's games > in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. > > Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out afterwards > they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised as free. > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 02:32:10 2008 Received: (qmail 9033 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 00:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 00:32:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140D6C2BF9; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BD3C27DE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:31:58 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JY4Pw5vmjAFFKOgWeTnD45myrZGOuidYjZYiWcaT+1qpcYIlx8MRQ0WO7NHz55Cu; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.97.107] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KTnET-00012Z-Jk for olympus@ml.free.fr; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:31:58 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200885150315734@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:31:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9402aa377a351cb7659e9603ac06f9e8448350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.97.107 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 02:32:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4ce8a174429347015869 Could be worse I seem to remember hearing of some species that mate once it falls off and you die. John > > > We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and a meal. > > Lucky dating isn't as hard on the human race as it is on spiders, but then > again, there are way more of them then there are us. > > We'll not all of the eat their mates, I use to think it was just the black > widow, but there are a few species. The male would have been much smaller > and skinny, he may have escaped to play mating roulette again on another > day. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 02:50:57 2008 Received: (qmail 5290 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 00:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 00:50:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8A3C27A9; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:50:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:50:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6F5C2923 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:50:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so4291772gxk.17 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:50:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=f2WndRWk2tPHJxdeMDWmG0JL8uezvPKiFB4kWmO3QYc=; b=l/02zboBnniU4Mge9Foooh4GSmL0LHs1KI/aIYsi5LjCFeIg93Q+iO8OMdMfopA8rV 4ymj3s4e0XoNHBHzFhl4+WKxLFQNdd7hiAnmodFVmy8HG8Wv4Z+OpM2GT2stwaGev1Pj pOqbCTp4kt0qzkMD9LFRwoqQOX4cebHZ4yzG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=dwXrwsO3wkMOTKzDR1JdHIHzr9idZEYxc3CzSuHfJMXe9RF+cA2ZOLoDoAFEpmA6Y9 IgdqtzThhJiHkFEAo/mUW/bOrnu1PD00DoJOIucchP1dpcbJI2w9UN2DyQjzPrgKO+mQ 6xlWS/L5wAnwAJtlPrFmQAxpTXNFvsDE9m4ow= Received: by 10.150.191.10 with SMTP id o10mr2791513ybf.199.1218761444223; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.251.88.87? ( [67.135.36.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm870865ywp.3.2008.08.14.17.50.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20B1C3EE-5EE5-4459-B44B-391CF7327802@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:50:24 -0700 References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <48A49EBE.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 02:50:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4d2f1269031946193717 I'd been a die-hard fan of iView for quite some time, and I (really) tried to follow the path to MS Expression Media. For a long while I stuck with iView, mostly from sheer orneriness. Then I purchased a copy of Office 2008 close enough to EM2's debut that I got the upgrade for free, so have been playing with that a bit. One of the things I do like about iView and EM is that it allows you to easily see, sort and manipulate both folders in the Finder, and "Catalog Sets" of one's own devising. So I can keep my folders of images grouped by film roll (or camera/shooting month, for the digital-only ones) and still group them by project in the Catalog Sets. One of the downsides of this capability though, is that through lack of discipline on my part, in the process of transferring overlapping image folders from computer to computer over the last four years duplicates of images and slight variations of images have proliferated. Such that now I'd guess my library is easily twice the size it needs to be (~75GB!), and I can't seem to take the time to get everything sorted. I also have a copy of Lightroom 1.5, but never quite mastered the interface, and so didn't end up importing more than a smattering of images into it. Then I downloaded a trial copy of Aperture 2. So far, I find that by far the easiest to use and most powerful. There are now plug-ins for Noise Ninja and PTLens. I can do 90% of what I need to do within Aperture, and the Smart Folders WAY simplify keeping track of images. Plus it has that "do not import duplicates" check box! Still waiting though, for e-420 and 520 RAW support.... But I'm going to migrate to Aperture. Rob in Seattle On Aug 14, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Moose wrote: > An interim report for those cataloging their digital images or > considering it. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 03:15:54 2008 Received: (qmail 3855 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 01:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 01:15:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B3AC28A1; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:15:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:15:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA7BC2886 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:15:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u3so328794tia.17 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:15:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lg0ProawNVix8Ahh3R9ejCB7XtyrWt7EpyUex5NWlts=; b=JFsnGJE8KOYTkYV5izbtDy33Mb1ZwfsoeaVi7+7+bHzhHhurFd81F0HKlANH0RmCgC jCUe3hSYMMrqqhq0jTz6Asrlei2aFLnaK+EK4RgHRIllepW3jtR1OpD2ozhdZCn56qdI 8HpVYd9TeN89sg/eTBsPezxKOVCVQnTCxcgww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HnEq6GhQS5IS+G6gF2jWGnXp/LBHfzqBDuOA8aIgRcwDwuw2QSG/ySn7JXMQGU9i0p x19587S/ZQeJsWCcltWiBe3GaT2Qnl3tS4k3D9EI+NZDxltMZc9uy2nRhZQumRviYJt/ +j5Lg+OkHfWsQJ5DiH5IbaEbfxEMTfyF50/ac= Received: by 10.110.53.14 with SMTP id b14mr1785274tia.8.1218762938541; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm3841686tid.12.2008.08.14.18.15.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A4D8B2.7050304@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:15:30 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <48A49EBE.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 03:15:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4d8ca4091342116753 Moose wrote: > ... > Now one disk is cataloged, and it's on to another. Then on to the > really serious work of setting up the index keywords for all those > files. Ugh. First, I'll see if the paid for version is usable for that > and searching, once the heavy cataloging lifting is over. You have my empathy, since I am in the midst of cataloguing my own photos (with Apple Aperture 2 in my case). For a "run-through" I have catalogued all the people and pets, but now the "heavy lifting" starts. It's nice to go over everything though (well, nearly everything - there's still about 1,000 negatives of my own to scan, not including the late mother-out-law's several-thousand slides). It's not just being able to see your "growth"; it's the memories too. 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( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j5sm3841861tid.12.2008.08.14.18.15.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A4D8B8.2090300@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:15:36 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <456AA0FB75AA4BD293A784D7A8307BAA@jimnichols> <4EEB293B942C474E84BA80ABD581E8FD@Alaisdairthree> In-Reply-To: <4EEB293B942C474E84BA80ABD581E8FD@Alaisdairthree> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 03:16:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4d8d715625368819438 Scott Peden wrote: > We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and > a meal. > ... To be fair, the male spider gets to mate for life. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 03:18:09 2008 Received: (qmail 8550 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 01:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 01:18:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E24C3205; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F253C3324 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:17:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.102]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7F1HqgS030619 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:17:52 +1000 Message-Id: <200808150117.m7F1HqgS030619@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail15.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:17:52 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:17:52 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 03:18:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4d951297751257536491 > Moose wrote: > > Now one disk is cataloged, and it's on to another. So what does "catalogued" mean, just that it's found all your image files ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 03:56:48 2008 Received: (qmail 3016 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 01:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 01:56:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE46C3433; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:56:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:56:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A8FC33E0 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21358 invoked by uid 502); 15 Aug 2008 01:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.207.190) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 01:56:34 -0000 Message-ID: <48A4E241.7070807@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:56:18 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media References: <200808150117.m7F1HqgS030619@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200808150117.m7F1HqgS030619@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 03:56:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4e26051251035110158 Wayne Harridge wrote: >> Moose wrote: >> >> Now one disk is cataloged, and it's on to another. >> > So what does "catalogued" mean, just that it's found all your image files? > Not quite that easy, it finds them all very quickly. Catalog(u)ed seems to mean reading all EXIF and suchlike data, either importing the thumbnail embedded in many files or creating one and saving the whole mess in a database. One may also have it create and store in its database a standard size JPEG of each file. I'm not doing that at this point, as it will obviously make the database much bigger and slow the process down. The next step is to identify each file, in groups or individually, with keywords, all of which go into the database. I believe it also writes stuff into the image files themselves, if you wish. So if I then type in "spider, yellow, black", or perhaps "spider, garden", I will then instantly find where I have the images I've taken of spiders like the one Jim was posting about. I'm guessing that writing some of this stuff into the file is useful for things like image banks and other indexing programs? It also does other things I've not delved into, like downloading images from cameras/cards to HD and indexing them in the process, I think it can also reorganize the actual physical storage of original image files? And of course all the rating stuff other indexers do. Mostly, I just want to be able to find stuff easily. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 04:10:25 2008 Received: (qmail 27346 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 02:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 02:10:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2F0C3405; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:10:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:10:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7352EC33C5 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:10:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7F2A87k023527 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:09 +1000 Message-Id: <200808150210.m7F2A87k023527@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.236]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:08 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: olympus@ml.free.fr Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:08 +1000 Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 04:10:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4e591224669347015869 > Moose wrote: > > Not quite that easy, it finds them all very quickly. Catalog(u)ed seems > to mean reading all EXIF and suchlike data, either importing the > thumbnail embedded in many files or creating one and saving the whole > mess in a database. Ok, so if it's got the EXIF, you could at least find all the images shot with camera X at f8 between 2 dates I suppose. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 04:34:15 2008 Received: (qmail 14483 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 02:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 02:34:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF357C30FF; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:34:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:34:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2ADC285B for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32017 invoked by uid 504); 15 Aug 2008 02:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 02:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <48A4EB19.5050904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:34:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A49039.4050102@tc.umn.edu> <48A49E1E.90900@chucknorcutt.com> <000801c8fede$3a3e85f0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: <000801c8fede$3a3e85f0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 04:34:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4eb27273662070262475 My objective is very specifically not to fly. I want to see all the ground between here and there. That doesn't mean I have to see every attraction but I do want to come away with at least a flavor (the food too) of all the places along the way. Traveling 1,000 or 1,500 miles by car is not unheard of for us but never anything like 10,000. Chuck Norcutt Bill Pearce wrote: > Honestly, you have proposed a VERY substantial trip. If you are unacustomed > to travel for long times in sparsely populated areas, you have a trip ahead > of you. Have you considered flying to a place close to the first stop and > renting a car? > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:05 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone > > > As we're starting to flesh out some detail it appears that even a 6 week > time period doesn't allow much time for anything. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Dean Hansen wrote: >> A trip to Yellowstone NP, even if only for a couple days, could include >> an hour or more tour with a guide covering how the extensive forest >> fires of 20 or so years ago have affected the Park. Old Faithful will >> be around for awhile; the fires were a once-in-a-couple-lifetimes >> event. If there's not enough time (seems as though there never is) to >> get into the woods, see if there's an evening slide show with before, >> during, and after views of the same landscape. >> Dean > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:03 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 04:50:00 2008 Received: (qmail 18370 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 02:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 02:49:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E201DC31B4; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:49:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:49:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5D6C2F77 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:49:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF23C10B414B for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pwOrl+FkBAtX for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718B710B4139 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:41 -0700 References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 04:50:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4eed8304138512572685 > From: "Bill Pearce" > >> > As it was explained to me, each time a jpeg is opened and closed, it > throws > away more info. Each time a JPEG is opened and *saved*, the image is damaged. Simply opening it and closing it without re-saving does no harm. Otherwise, pictures on websites that are repeatedly viewed (which is "opening and closing" them) would rapidly degrade. :::: On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 05:53:07 2008 Received: (qmail 20627 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 03:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 03:53:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1D4C3100; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:52:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:52:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08345C2862 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:52:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7F3qs47064892 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <380-22008851502851878@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22008851502851878@earthlink.net> Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Acj+benzIHrCSKb1Qrq8bTjK/grGKgAHFibA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 05:53:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a4fda345751234514069 Thanks for the suggestion, I've seen some others too that I will also look into, just been to busy to thank each person individually who has responded. Scott -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of jgettis81@earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:29 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? Just a suggestion download Corel Paintshop Pro x-2 from their website. Its not free but will work for thirty days as a trial version they have a script function that I think would work for you you would just have to set it up then run it on batches of files. John > [Original Message] > From: Scott Peden > To: > Date: 8/14/2008 3:54:02 PM > Subject: [OM] FREE file size reducer? > > > I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size in bulk. > > I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship soccer's games > in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. > > Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out afterwards > they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised as free. > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 06:58:54 2008 Received: (qmail 1852 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 04:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 04:58:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B71AC2981; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA4EC2887 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E9446168E for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:12:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <75EC155D-7CCE-4895-B836-63537EBCC1B6@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:58:42 +0100 References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <48A49EBE.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 06:58:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a50d0e217271234514069 Thanks for that Moose. I found iView MediaPro jolly good, but perhaps I have fewer files than you. I am loath to buy a MS product since they tend to try to take over the computer with files all over the place, but I might be forced to upgrade to Media 2. Chris On 15 Aug 2008, at 00:46, Moose wrote: > An interim report for those cataloging their digital images or > considering it. > > I've been in need of cataloging software for some time. I've got a > pretty good memory, but its capability has been outstripped. > > When MS bought iView, they repackaged it as Expression Media and > packages of the old version were available at half price with free > upgrade to the new version when it came out. My research had convinced > me there was no killer app for this purpose, but that iView looked > like > the best choice for my needs. So I bought it. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 07:01:40 2008 Received: (qmail 3633 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 05:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 05:01:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD04C2FDA; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:01:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C07C3627 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8783346168E for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:14:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <9BFCCFD1-B4E8-430D-9980-5DE7833311E9@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20B1C3EE-5EE5-4459-B44B-391CF7327802@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:01:03 +0100 References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <48A49EBE.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> <48A4C3F2.4090300@gmail.com> <20B1C3EE-5EE5-4459-B44B-391CF7327802@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 07:01:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a50db4308618512572685 I, too, use Aperture almost exclusively, Rob, but it doesn't catalogue your files for you; you have to import them. I use E Media to catalogue the files automatically. Come to think of it, since that's all it does for me, why should I bother to upgrade? Thanks for making up my mind for me :-) Chris On 15 Aug 2008, at 01:50, Rob Harrison wrote: > Then I downloaded a trial copy of Aperture 2. So far, I find that by > far the easiest to use and most powerful. There are now plug-ins for > Noise Ninja and PTLens. I can do 90% of what I need to do within > Aperture, and the Smart Folders WAY simplify keeping track of images. > Plus it has that "do not import duplicates" check box! Still waiting > though, for e-420 and 520 RAW support.... But I'm going to migrate to > Aperture. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 07:28:25 2008 Received: (qmail 13677 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 05:28:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 05:28:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F83C3698; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECE7C3687 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:28:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w1so633855mue.9 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:28:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dbJuEEpBm5+IPUg4Od0ZC2WTnpWRaw0HazRecXleo6g=; b=DYAxGG7sKm+6KMClOpNCckP2An3T6gjYub+aJ3uwN33+MiVb/DbE4UNLyeuXnWD1hk lXucJxzGo2OCVpoMK6x6TqlBr1GSrbtCQdKH7YR06yTz+wIlWy2XonNy6FsqC+IR7MY4 3ftjQtTcS3ZNqSv1mPi4mcaBq+hYTogh4OgvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X1O/LPOTOrM9T8zQmJI1xAsTfflTogO4qtM0GO9PvpOonnW4cCUbKpSbhIQY+1ex80 YbYX/hDNWkQyxtjoLWBnUqDbiAU1mH03SXuP63c9+gWarPpjBM0HTV4eoc6wGrh8m6aV GB5HbWUOja1cuEzMF4ugxtFDZ+uvtc26NW5Hw= Received: by 10.103.228.12 with SMTP id f12mr1628915mur.28.1218778092794; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook.local ( [81.221.125.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm9186168mug.7.2008.08.14.22.28.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A513EA.1020701@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:28:10 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <48A43125.4030302@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A43125.4030302@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 07:28:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a513f991491234514069 Thanks for looking, I think the problem is that I chnaged my monitor to a dell 2408 and it si so bright and vibrant compared to my other monitors, that coupled with little time to double check things is the cause of the problem. I will revisit them all and adjust once I have calibrated my monitor which means of course I have to buy a new gadjet, I will probably order an epson 2880 at the same time, but first I must finish the kitchen so my wife doesn't notice such purchases or at least deems them as uninportant :-) Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Nice work but it seems that many of your images are about a stop > underexposed. I thought maybe just a difference of monitor and viewing > conditions but spot checking some histograms beara out my visual impression. > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 07:35:57 2008 Received: (qmail 5784 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 05:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 05:35:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD93C3559; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:35:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:35:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1743FC2B4F for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:35:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id b39so191086ugd.29 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:35:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=73XL07F/DrL4kv3s9sw+rU0rkuqV5F5lQK0T0QmSF8I=; b=jR7V3NwFy9j6P9WJdR7sei4uAiphWYoqCeruN9uts4DKYYlMJdrEUJNlbWJjg3JuD8 oEk6U7ZNwBdxRdHCMSoPXmsUjrg7auz0+G8afuJsds7qdh6cOhNLAKMOpQz3IxtU7RUq k7y3KNTT3GqDRPbsT7O/F25X6UxDB0xG7kg5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xPxHhJjtyw57lJIEvmk8apx4f1nQbprTuQP8vEy5Trt/sXw9eiohHt21+xf21ly5O6 G1k0v1MMofPcuPvUXN0zDW8lg0LxvkCiWaUtcynZJmhFO02rMl4bY8IF+dF9Oa5Aszjv KILwKOa1ALGrRIatFrKrRJ70yFIsCV8nKfIwM= Received: by 10.103.211.3 with SMTP id n3mr1637215muq.43.1218778544650; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook.local ( [81.221.125.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u26sm3272402mug.5.2008.08.14.22.35.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:35:42 +0200 From: swisspace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: swisspace@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 07:35:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a515bd124661470116606 It's funny how people percieve things, they referered to the 70-300 as the super new lens whereas it was the cheapest of the three. I let my eldest stepson take some shots - which I think turned out well. cheers and thanks for looking Ian Chris Barker wrote: > The results look good, Ian. I particularly like the shot of Kerstin, > of you and Cai in that little cubicle (?) and the plastic, red racing > car. > > And it looks as if you let someone else use your camera and 70-300! > Can this be true?? :-) > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 07:43:10 2008 Received: (qmail 21027 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 05:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 05:43:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FB0C3676; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:42:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:42:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E805EC365E for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7F5gvsu092705 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Acj+mMcqm8npehoCT+Whdd/tdHAHGgAAMClQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 07:43:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5176e225681838542571 Yes, but it has been the best bang for the buck, when I was shooting Hawks last winter/spring. It isn't listed as the mid quality but it appears to be better then the standard quality lenses. I'd love to have a 300+ zoom that was mid quality, f2.0 or some such thing that likly on't happen, or if it does, I won't be able to afford it for years! -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of swisspace Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:36 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se ñ orita It's funny how people percieve things, they referered to the 70-300 as the super new lens whereas it was the cheapest of the three. I let my eldest stepson take some shots - which I think turned out well. cheers and thanks for looking Ian Chris Barker wrote: > The results look good, Ian. I particularly like the shot of Kerstin, > of you and Cai in that little cubicle (?) and the plastic, red racing > car. > > And it looks as if you let someone else use your camera and 70-300! > Can this be true?? :-) > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 07:49:31 2008 Received: (qmail 10560 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 05:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 05:49:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3926FC3085; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:49:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:49:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay01-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.19]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D9DC3420 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:49:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 190.red-83-36-134.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.36.134.190]:49192 helo=[192.168.1.33]) by relay01-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.31]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KTsBZ-0004A6-5r (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:49:18 +0000 Message-Id: <9CDD9B95-DAF1-4267-8162-DC195117A8E4@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?US-ASCII?Q?=F1?= orita Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:49:16 +0200 References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 07:49:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a518eb165741234514069 For me, the E3 is my primary system. I got the 50-200mm because I had an opportunity to buy one second-hand in like-new condition for an extremely attractive price. I considered the 70-300mm as well, but became concerned with softness noted in some reviews, and also I like the high maximum aperture of the 50-200mm. But yes, there is a price to pay in terms of weight, although on the E3 it does not feel too unbalanced. I have not tried it on my E420 yet ;-) Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Aug 12, 2008, at 7:06 AM, swisspace wrote: > I have been having so many problems at work that only now do I have > time > to reply to some posts. It was a rare occurrence but our small camera > shop had a 70-300mm lens in stock so I took a few sample pics and then > later some more and decided that the performance matched my 300/4.5 > and > that it was a zoom and much smaller. though tempted by the 50-200 > SWD I > wanted the extra reach. > > Now I have a "small" walkaround kit of E3 7-14 12-60 and 70-300 > which > covers well if not bulky, a couple of weeks ago we went to stay by > the > Bodensee, I haven't had time to add comments to the pictures but I am > generally pleased with my collection of lenses. Hovering at the top > left > of the image and clicking on the i will display the exif data > including > focal length. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/5626360_fxqN4 > > > IanW > > >> Thanks Chris. Yes, it is the latest version of the 50-200, SWD. I >> think this is one of the two best zoom lenses I have ever owned (the >> other being the Leica f4/35-70mm). >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 08:08:13 2008 Received: (qmail 22482 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 06:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 06:08:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7425C356C; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:08:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:08:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637E8C3319 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32464 invoked by uid 502); 15 Aug 2008 06:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.193.125) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 06:07:21 -0000 Message-ID: <48A51CEF.50400@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:06:39 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <9CDD9B95-DAF1-4267-8162-DC195117A8E4@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9CDD9B95-DAF1-4267-8162-DC195117A8E4@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 08:08:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a51d4d35251035110158 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > ... I like the high maximum aperture of the 50-200mm. But yes, there is a price to pay in terms of weight, although on the E3 it does not feel too unbalanced. I have not tried it on my E420 yet ;-) > Tail wags dog. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 08:08:25 2008 Received: (qmail 22726 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 06:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 06:08:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26C9C34B6; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BE1C2F19 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:08:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 545 invoked by uid 502); 15 Aug 2008 06:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.193.125) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 06:07:42 -0000 Message-ID: <48A51D28.80706@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:07:36 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 08:08:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a51d59262681234514069 Scott Peden wrote: > Yes, but it has been the best bang for the buck, when I was shooting Hawks > last winter/spring. It isn't listed as the mid quality but it appears to be > better then the standard quality lenses. > > I'd love to have a 300+ zoom that was mid quality, f2.0 or some such thing > that likly on't happen, or if it does, I won't be able to afford it for > years! > Something to remember about the great shots of big birds is that they were generally not shot with really long lenses and often not at particularly wide apertures. The shots we drool over were generally shot from blinds relatively close to the birds. After reading an article by a very successful bird photog, I concluded that his greatest assets had little to do with photographic equipment. Patience and persistence in locating nests or places the birds return to regularly, creating hidden vantage points without upsetting the birds and sitting very quietly for many hours seemed to be the main things required. And a strong bladder, I suppose. If you want a great pic of an eagle returning to its nest carrying a big fish, you first spend time scouting out a nesting bird. Then you watch to locate the route it takes back with food. Then climb something high enough to provide a good angle, close enough for a good shot and hidden enough to not cause the bird to change routes. Then wait..... Then, with luck, you get some good shots. 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( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m25sm3821260waf.58.2008.08.14.23.10.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A51DBA.6010908@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:10:02 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 08:10:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a51dcf301911257536491 Scott Peden wrote: > I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size > in bulk. Irfanview does "Batch Conversion/Rename" (See "File" menu), which might do the trick: http://www.irfanview.net/ Cheers, Marc ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 08:14:14 2008 Received: (qmail 8823 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 06:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 06:14:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC822C357C; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505E1C2E6C for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7F6E1RW098977 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> <48A51D28.80706@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A51D28.80706@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F1?= orita Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:14:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1FFBF9E2EBEB498E83E5EF23DD3BD910@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Acj+nVBDRB4tyzirQV6COnTtFy93QwAAGVbQ X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 08:14:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a51eb6316391946193717 Yeah, that seems to be the trick. The hawks I've been shooting have a certain range, where they will take off and not let me get closer, it is the same distance every time that I figure they can see themselves in the lens. The Red tail I finally got last year, had taken me two years to let him let me get close enough I could shoot him with a 500 mm lens and make out details, he didn't return this year. Other areas, where the birds are exposed to humans more, this doesn't seem to be a problem, but where I have been on the coast and in the mountains, the population is rather sparse. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Moose Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:08 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se ñ orita Scott Peden wrote: > Yes, but it has been the best bang for the buck, when I was shooting Hawks > last winter/spring. It isn't listed as the mid quality but it appears to be > better then the standard quality lenses. > > I'd love to have a 300+ zoom that was mid quality, f2.0 or some such thing > that likly on't happen, or if it does, I won't be able to afford it for > years! > Something to remember about the great shots of big birds is that they were generally not shot with really long lenses and often not at particularly wide apertures. The shots we drool over were generally shot from blinds relatively close to the birds. After reading an article by a very successful bird photog, I concluded that his greatest assets had little to do with photographic equipment. Patience and persistence in locating nests or places the birds return to regularly, creating hidden vantage points without upsetting the birds and sitting very quietly for many hours seemed to be the main things required. And a strong bladder, I suppose. If you want a great pic of an eagle returning to its nest carrying a big fish, you first spend time scouting out a nesting bird. Then you watch to locate the route it takes back with food. Then climb something high enough to provide a good angle, close enough for a good shot and hidden enough to not cause the bird to change routes. Then wait..... Then, with luck, you get some good shots. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 08:53:53 2008 Received: (qmail 9052 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 06:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 06:53:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8317AC376D; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C8FDC376A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:53:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15595 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 06:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 06:53:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8CACC7D400D3584-179C-31E7@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACC7D400D3584-179C-31E7@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <60610EAB-9FC4-44EA-9974-4774B731A786@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Couple of Big Foot shots Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:53:32 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 08:53:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a52801321491023412894 Hmmm...I could make those! OneChinese knockoff Gorrillapod would yield three - including one with a tripod screw (for a light flash, etc.) Or I could just get the 1ft extensions. And I get those spring clamps for $10 a bag of mixed sizes. What would I call it it now.... Flemp Plod Plex Climp Bemp Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 9:33 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Moose says: > > "Have you heard of the Wimberly Plamp? > Wimberley_PP100_Plamp_Articulating_Arm.html> > (Mine has a blue head.) I think it might be quite useful for many > of the > sorts of shots you seem to like to take." ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 09:09:52 2008 Received: (qmail 4452 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 07:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 07:09:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962E6C37DD; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AD9DAC2BB9 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19770 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 07:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 07:09:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?US-ASCII?Q?=F1?= orita Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:09:32 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 09:09:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a52bc08817350615338 So you want something faster/better than the 40-150mm and not quite as 'ohmygodit'showmuchaaaarrrrrggggghhh' as the 90-250mm? :-) I'm assuming 300mm equivalent - 50-150mm f2 ain't gonna happen. They can't afford to make a medium quality unit at that speed. Look at the size of the 150mm f2. If you don't mean equivalent FL - the 300/2.8 is enormous (the E-3 is a pimple on its bum). The extra stop would get it up to 7kg - 15lb. Andrew Fildes (who has lifted a 180mm f1.3 without assistance) afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 3:42 PM, Scott Peden wrote: > I'd love to have a 300+ zoom that was mid quality, f2.0 or some > such thing > that likly on't happen, or if it does, I won't be able to afford it > for > years! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 09:25:10 2008 Received: (qmail 6291 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 07:25:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D786C2990; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993DAC385F for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:24:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7F7OuNT011055 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se q orita Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: <0FE56DC2787B40C791D93A12F80AF09D@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj+peZ76JnZK4l0TI2Yh1udgIYAzwAAhL+w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 09:25:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a52f56264458512572685 Sounds like I'd have to eat more spinach. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Andrew Fildes Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:10 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se q orita So you want something faster/better than the 40-150mm and not quite as 'ohmygodit'showmuchaaaarrrrrggggghhh' as the 90-250mm? :-) I'm assuming 300mm equivalent - 50-150mm f2 ain't gonna happen. They can't afford to make a medium quality unit at that speed. Look at the size of the 150mm f2. If you don't mean equivalent FL - the 300/2.8 is enormous (the E-3 is a pimple on its bum). The extra stop would get it up to 7kg - 15lb. Andrew Fildes (who has lifted a 180mm f1.3 without assistance) afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 3:42 PM, Scott Peden wrote: > I'd love to have a 300+ zoom that was mid quality, f2.0 or some > such thing > that likly on't happen, or if it does, I won't be able to afford it > for > years! ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 09:40:15 2008 Received: (qmail 24882 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 07:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 07:40:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE3BC3889; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CE334C3890 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:40:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26327 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 07:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 07:40:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: <380-2200885150315734@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200885150315734@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <250B917B-1137-47DC-8443-DEFC10CCA221@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:39:55 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 09:40:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a532df130961838542571 If you know much about the semen transfer process in spiders, it's not too much of a good time. And the average male isn't much more than a snack. The Praying Mantis is far more exciting - the nervous shock of having his head bitten off during coitus triggers ejaculation. And she gets a decent feed of animal protein to aid egg development. Then there's our marsupial mouse, the Antechinus (5-6 species). Sized like a small rat. Mating season in October - no feeding, no thinking, just coupling. Multiple partners - 2-3 times per day for 5-6 hours per time. By the end of the month, all the females are pregnant. And all the males are dead. Their immune system collapses from stress. So they are no longer around to compete for food. The females die of exhaustion after the dozen or so offspring are independant. Antechinus die of sex or childraising. Some choice. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 10:31 AM, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Could be worse I seem to remember hearing of some species that mate > once it > falls off and you die. John >> >> >> We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and a meal. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 10:47:51 2008 Received: (qmail 8545 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 08:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 08:47:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C31C2FCC; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CBEC2E68 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so733573nfi.19 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:47:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=pODGGdqAKSmTnCK9W6dsfk25KfsiuMHJbfgQ5ZFsqjs=; b=NHaJg5sQB4LUh3aTnjXvDpN4r54y2bwu9eRSOhfwGz91Elvud2KKDuIqdZ4zP7u5IL gf8E0ZPboBGELwdXZrENhFUjcws3xO+NPAevSOTp7+Hfm0Meminu/lc3IvGL4T66KLS4 n+J2kcdqF9uGrbj7/g9kt9U3C6/ViUolA6osM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=EzBGNBv9pBE4aIA4Xo5guUryfxNTdowZDy2N1yNmvMX81eu7s3g/w4GEXV0cOZOtFq MZs1KD8YqByn+Qtizi/6z82Ql8Nyu6BAzVF4yl0sFH/HUpNv+txcFFOE4Bti1mvAZCtm /tO9k6ssC6e9VacOneySLdaX/1sV84V+NdP5g= Received: by 10.210.63.5 with SMTP id l5mr2780025eba.154.1218790059086; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:47:39 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Photos. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 10:47:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a542b6200751823421471 I've been processing all the raw files from the e-420 I had mounting up waiting for Lightroom 2. I think I've lost my touch for black and white - many of them are much more interesting in colour than the bw jpegs I had access to before... Tom http://tinyurl.com/5hjxyc http://tinyurl.com/6eloh4 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 11:18:57 2008 Received: (qmail 29083 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 09:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 09:18:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20581C3627; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B764CC34F5 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 190.red-83-36-134.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.36.134.190]:49419 helo=[192.168.1.33]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KTvSA-00005v-8r (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:18:39 +0000 Message-Id: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 32: Berlin Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:36 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 11:18:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a54a01140531035110158 We spent most of last week in Berlin, and I finally finished processing the pictures this morning (it helps that today is a public holiday in Spain). I will make a proper gallery, hopefully this weekend, but in the meantime there was plenty of material for my PAW, some serious, some less so. There is food (vegetarians beware), señoritas, fake Commie stuff, WWII memorials and all kinds of other stuff. There are even a couple of images which were frankly meant as tests of the 50-200mm lens I had just acquired, but I test lenses in the Ted Grant way: point the camera at something interesting and CLICK! It is all here: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=153 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 11:38:00 2008 Received: (qmail 31817 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 09:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 09:37:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B47DC28D9; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:37:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:37:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A22C3844 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:37:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1111105wfd.5 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:37:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BD1fQf5vdQCK7dCFiY69xNxqGNGqAEaArCzcNTxhYAI=; b=nqNdY6Gm6xegp+Rx4WzoDWcPb5XMn3A4qPOAsV+QKAg+0CdjSi4VUC4VI7LyAjHA7H 4R1JJCZOtmODvM/uv8bDSx/bh1f3mirHdeBEYSmZlF3H5zyug2UjpGypwkqO/WIpOCPb 5dBnkrkJZyobEmKSdJBEg3mOKMLXBWhmnExdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mA/zEIdjknw5+jWzTLmii38NFsZtcXipHWiVTkxqxZTvNSyPjeTdXFjnlRXLohTKBO +t3qJJSbbkbg+K/Y6wV7z8sLTqL1aiXtHfoBvUS+sX4wdaoGvxg5S2Bv6qnAAxS7L5tw imDXM6E/+3ZEEogYNcrn/wc2mxic3k/kLblmU= Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr905272wfg.318.1218793066856; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.206.255.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm7038145wfi.11.2008.08.15.02.37.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A54E62.5010301@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:37:38 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Picture a Day discussion group Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 32: Berlin References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 11:38:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a54e78106231234514069 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > .... > It is all here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=153 Alternate 7 is my favourite, though quite vertiginous (or perhaps "because" :) ). Alternate 12 looks like the start of a visual joke with the punch line "Six missing eyebrows"). Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 12:14:14 2008 Received: (qmail 11816 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 10:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 10:14:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB871C36C2; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6183AC2F0D for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from a918.demon.co.uk ([80.176.143.163] helo=itspcddm13) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KTwJl-0007Fl-PH for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:14:02 +0000 From: "David D Miller" To: References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: <5B07E938F96E447EB3DEF1621811C5CC@itspcddm13> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: Acj+DQAdaQbevOrjRH6ecgVMwFDl8AAo6Vog X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olympus-list@a918.demon.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 12:14:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a556f634562336821329 > Now I have a "small" walkaround kit of E3 7-14 12-60 and 70-300 which > covers well if not bulky. Given the choice, I always grab the 50-200mm lens ahead of the 70-300mm. My excuses are that the extra brightness is more useful than longer reach and that it's better sealed against the British weather - but it's probably more habit than anything else. However, my 50-200mm lens is being sent off for a service (the aperture occasionally jams), so the newer zoom will see more use over the next few weeks - and we'll see which is favourite after that. My "small" walkaround kit is a single body and lens: usually either an E-20, or an OM body with the 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 lens. When weight is really important, I'll take an XA or Mju instead. I find that restricted kit concentrates the mind on the job in hand - and being limited to 36 shots likewise. My Scouts were using an assortment of digital cameras at camp last week: The older ones were using SLRs with 4Gb cards, and produced thousands of photos - very few of them worth keeping. The younger kids, using inexpensive Camedia C-150 and 16Mb cards, managed to make every shot count. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 12:25:11 2008 Received: (qmail 4625 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 10:25:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 10:25:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD52FC33C0; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB414C335A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31457 invoked by uid 504); 15 Aug 2008 10:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 10:24:57 -0000 Message-ID: <48A55979.4050505@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:24:57 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se q orita References: <4F3281D5-852B-45A3-B0D3-D36D1B08788A@threeshoes.net> <956DFC5E-B5E0-4B5C-8989-CC6ED904A327@frozenlight.eu> <48A11A3E.8080802@gmail.com> <91D53945-7B74-4999-8DB0-D63AA2A7F1E7@threeshoes.net> <48A515AD.3090705@gmail.com> <0FE56DC2787B40C791D93A12F80AF09D@Alaisdairthree> In-Reply-To: <0FE56DC2787B40C791D93A12F80AF09D@Alaisdairthree> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 12:25:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a55987269321585427447 You're ready when you can pop the spinach can open by squeezing it. :-) Chuck Norcutt Scott Peden wrote: > Sounds like I'd have to eat more spinach. > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf > Of Andrew Fildes > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:10 AM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: > Berlin se q orita > > > So you want something faster/better than the 40-150mm and not quite > as 'ohmygodit'showmuchaaaarrrrrggggghhh' as the 90-250mm? :-) > I'm assuming 300mm equivalent - 50-150mm f2 ain't gonna happen. > They can't afford to make a medium quality unit at that speed. > Look at the size of the 150mm f2. > > If you don't mean equivalent FL - the 300/2.8 is enormous (the E-3 is > a pimple on its bum). > The extra stop would get it up to 7kg - 15lb. > > Andrew Fildes (who has lifted a 180mm f1.3 without assistance) > afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 12:51:50 2008 Received: (qmail 27424 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 10:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 10:51:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C82C3213; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:51:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:51:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 645BAC36AB for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:51:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26523 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 10:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 10:51:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48A4BB4C.2060500@gmail.com> References: <48A45D1F.6070903@ctgonline.org> <48A4BB4C.2060500@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <3E8E332A-4B5B-4D3E-8E54-078A2ADA749A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Can someone reach over and feed the hamsters some more? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:51:29 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 12:51:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a55fc6314071257536491 No trouble at all - following their own rules. Andrew Fildes (who has shared with a number of rats, Rattus rattus AND Rattus sapiens). afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 9:10 AM, Moose wrote: > I didn't think rats would follow rules. > > Moose (Who has troubles with rules himself.) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 13:10:47 2008 Received: (qmail 29210 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 11:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 11:10:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575B2C39A9; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4038C3881 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:10:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1921 invoked by uid 504); 15 Aug 2008 11:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 11:10:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48A56427.4070007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:10:31 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 32: Berlin References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 13:10:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a56437315311823421471 Thanks for the tour of Berlin. Although I spent 13 months in Germany in 1962-63 I never saw Berlin. I was specifically prohibited from crossing East Germany so there was no way for me to get there. I don't remember Eisbein (or anything with peas for that matter) but it sure looks good and I like that shot. You've certainly captured plenty of good looking Fräuleins this time including the two "working girls". The two B&W images are competing for my choice of best shot. I think the night shot of the "working girls" is my choice but I would crop off the extreme left edge. I find the post with diagonal stripe at far left to be a visual distraction for reasons I'm unsure of. I suspect it's simply that the stripe is diagonal. Had it been horizontal or vertical it probably wouldn't intrude. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > We spent most of last week in Berlin, and I finally finished > processing the pictures this morning (it helps that today is a public > holiday in Spain). I will make a proper gallery, hopefully this > weekend, but in the meantime there was plenty of material for my PAW, > some serious, some less so. There is food (vegetarians beware), > señoritas, fake Commie stuff, WWII memorials and all kinds of other > stuff. There are even a couple of images which were frankly meant as > tests of the 50-200mm lens I had just acquired, but I test lenses in > the Ted Grant way: point the camera at something interesting and CLICK! > > It is all here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=153 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:58 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 14:30:43 2008 Received: (qmail 17652 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 12:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:30:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B85FC3776; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92204C27EE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.59.195]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5N007TS6Q7E6L4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:30:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:30:10 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A576D2.1000006@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 14:30:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a576f3213801591313764 I'm curious what battery goes in the Electro GT? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Geilfuss Charles wrote: > AS, > Which 50 are you going to keep? ;^) > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On > Behalf Of AS > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:40 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system > > > > I have decided to hold on to an OM-1n and 50 Zuiko Lens. I also picked > up a Yashica Electro GT. These two will be my mainstays for film now. > > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 14:39:14 2008 Received: (qmail 30722 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 12:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:39:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4A1C3BF7; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188C0C3C27 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:39:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.59.195]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5N005IH74H5R65@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:38:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:38:44 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: Got an on-camera pop-up flash? In-reply-to: <48A49AD2.9010404@chucknorcutt.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A578D4.20000@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <489AE55D.9080104@chucknorcutt.com> <48A10A0A.3080701@gmail.com> <48A49AD2.9010404@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 14:39:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a578f270811529615919 What a nice happy shot. I couldn't help smiling when I saw it. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Resending. It was returned as undeliverable. > > Chuck > > > Whatta cutie! Photography ain't bad either! > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > Moose wrote: >> Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>> Flash Is Evil >>> >> I'd like to agree wholeheartedly. I certainly don't like the look of >> on-camera flash, and am not patient enough for, nor really interested >> in, multiple off camera flashes. I'll go to considerable lengths to >> avoid flash. >> >> Sometimes, thought, it's the only tool for the job. Sitting around at >> kiddie bedtime in a darkish room, with people, especially one of the >> subjects, who move about quickly and often, flash is one answer. >> > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 15:36:10 2008 Received: (qmail 18940 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 13:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 13:36:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D39C3CF2; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:35:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:35:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B6648C4B3C for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21529 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 13:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 13:33:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48A576D2.1000006@verizon.net> References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A576D2.1000006@verizon.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:33:14 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 15:36:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5864a103991234514069 PX32 5.6V Mercury. Nasty. But they are voltage forgiving so people use a PX28 (4LR44) plus a spring to hold it. That's 6V but the Yashica has a circuit that handles the extra. Great camera series. Loved them. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 10:30 PM, John Hermanson wrote: > > I'm curious what battery goes in the Electro GT? > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Geilfuss Charles wrote: >> AS, >> Which 50 are you going to keep? ;^) >> >> Charlie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of AS >> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:40 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system >> >> >> >> I have decided to hold on to an OM-1n and 50 Zuiko Lens. I also >> picked >> up a Yashica Electro GT. These two will be my mainstays for film now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 15:51:48 2008 Received: (qmail 26481 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 13:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 13:51:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97445C2D65; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:51:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:51:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEBAC32F8 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:51:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [216.243.164.231] (216-243-164-231.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.231]) by mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:51:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-164-231.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.164.231] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <48A58A2A.5000000@tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:52:42 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: hanse112@tc.umn.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 15:51:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a589f4182581470116606 John recently posted: "Could be worse I seem to remember hearing of some species that mate once it falls off and you die. John" That's exactly what happens with drone honeybees, to name one species. We were talking about this at a beekeepers' meeting and had a young lady reply something like "Yes, if they were honest enough to admit it, a lot of males experience some difficulty on their initial sexual experience." Dean ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 15:56:59 2008 Received: (qmail 20137 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 13:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 13:56:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA34C36C4; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EB2C3C06 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:56:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080815135646.HGZI777.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:56:46 +0100 Received: from user4fec106f50 ([81.99.10.243]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080815135646.OWKG29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@user4fec106f50> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:56:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c8fede$bcfbc2f0$0302a8c0@user4fec106f50> From: "David W Bell" To: References: <48A58A2A.5000000@tc.umn.edu> Subject: [OM] Pen-D Loose Lens Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:56:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: david.w.bell@ntlworld.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 15:56:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a58b2b87709347015869 Slight looseness in lens from Aperture Ring forward. Is this easy to tighten up before I attack it? Thanks Dave > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 16:13:34 2008 Received: (qmail 15547 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 14:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:13:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61339C3034; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:13:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:13:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43E4C2ED6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:13:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080815141320.KGNQ22786.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:13:20 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 2eDL1a00J3Hz7l802eDLpV; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: <005601c8ff5f$2f7ce770$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A576D2.1000006@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:16:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 16:13:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a58f0e38291023412894 Been a long time. I think it is the same mercury battery as the OM1. Two, perhaps? Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system > > I'm curious what battery goes in the Electro GT? > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Geilfuss Charles wrote: >> AS, >> Which 50 are you going to keep? ;^) >> >> Charlie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >> Behalf Of AS >> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:40 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system >> >> >> >> I have decided to hold on to an OM-1n and 50 Zuiko Lens. I also picked >> up a Yashica Electro GT. These two will be my mainstays for film now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 17:13:46 2008 Received: (qmail 18121 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 15:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 15:13:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A02AC3CF2; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:13:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd4mo1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788C8C3B6A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:13:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pd2ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.139]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2008 09:13:32 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=FOOVkQpht-lVCtHdimcA:9 a=kIdfApSqkptPuXHwucRFnCp63WsA:4 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd2ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2008 09:13:32 -0600 Message-Id: <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Africa Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:13:32 -0600 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 17:13:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a59d2a116851035110158 Hi All: Here is the address for my Africa photos- I have not edited them other than some shadow control. They are time lined and represent a running log of the 6 weeks I backpacked there. This is not meant to be a presentation as it is the bulk of what I actually shot. What I used- Olympus 1030SW (very happy with it btw), and Nik*n D200 with 11-22, 18-200VR and 70-300VR lenses. http://gallery.me.com/gordross All comments and suggestions are welcome Gord On 14-Aug-08, at 2:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Gord > > You set those preferences when you make a new album, but if you > highlight an existing album and the click on the Preferences button > (icon with 2 little switches at the top, in the middle) you can revise > them. > > Chris > > On 14 Aug 2008, at 20:37, Gordon Ross wrote: > >> >> Hi >> >> A question for list members that use Aperture 2 - I set up a >> MobileMe >> site (because it asked me to and made it easy) BUT I don't know how >> to access it or to share it. There are 1100 photos on it of my 6 >> week >> Africa jaunt some of which may be of interest. Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks Gord > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 17:33:27 2008 Received: (qmail 18855 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 15:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 15:33:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C4EC2F81; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A282C35EE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.84]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5N00NZMF7C0IE0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:33:12 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:38:28 -0300 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:33:35 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Africa To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <120F936CA7F64CBD8481B230A29C683F@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AksPABM+pUgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBXIddqj8DgVM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,216,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="419787922" References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 17:33:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5a1c732483675314703 Gordon ....... some great photos but haven't got through them all. During your [supposed :-))] absence in brightest Africa there was some concern on the list that you might have sneaked back home and done a listing of a multi multi million dollar, close on 10,000 square foot house with triple garage, high on a bluff just north of the Bow River somewhere quite close to the 1st Street west and 1st Avenue north intersection. Said listing got quite a spread in the National Post very clearly showing Gordon Ross as the realtor. Tell us that you really did list this easy-to-walk-to-the-office-in-downtown-Calgary pad ! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Ross" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: [OM] Africa > > Hi All: > > Here is the address for my Africa photos- I have not edited them > other than some shadow control. They are time lined and represent a > running log of the 6 weeks I backpacked there. This is not meant to > be a presentation as it is the bulk of what I actually shot. What I > used- Olympus 1030SW (very happy with it btw), and Nik*n D200 with > 11-22, 18-200VR and 70-300VR lenses. > > http://gallery.me.com/gordross > > All comments and suggestions are welcome > > Gord > > On 14-Aug-08, at 2:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> >> Gord >> >> You set those preferences when you make a new album, but if you >> highlight an existing album and the click on the Preferences button >> (icon with 2 little switches at the top, in the middle) you can revise >> them. >> >> Chris >> >> On 14 Aug 2008, at 20:37, Gordon Ross wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> A question for list members that use Aperture 2 - I set up a >>> MobileMe >>> site (because it asked me to and made it easy) BUT I don't know how >>> to access it or to share it. There are 1100 photos on it of my 6 >>> week >>> Africa jaunt some of which may be of interest. Can anyone help? >>> >>> Thanks Gord >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 17:57:44 2008 Received: (qmail 31334 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 15:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 15:57:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06BBC2AEB; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C6C3931 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:57:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080815155729H0100m3tb3e>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:57:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 32: Berlin Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:57:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 17:57:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5a778217651035110158 Nathan, Very nice collection. I gather that the new lens meets your expectations. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; ; "Picture a Day discussion group" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:18 AM Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 32: Berlin > > We spent most of last week in Berlin, and I finally finished > processing the pictures this morning (it helps that today is a public > holiday in Spain). I will make a proper gallery, hopefully this > weekend, but in the meantime there was plenty of material for my PAW, > some serious, some less so. There is food (vegetarians beware), > señoritas, fake Commie stuff, WWII memorials and all kinds of other > stuff. There are even a couple of images which were frankly meant as > tests of the 50-200mm lens I had just acquired, but I test lenses in > the Ted Grant way: point the camera at something interesting and CLICK! > > It is all here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=153 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 18:24:29 2008 Received: (qmail 2178 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 16:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 16:24:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C2CC3B83; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:24:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:24:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B2AC3927 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:24:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5N00NJWHKH0IL0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:17 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:19:30 -0300 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:40 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] digital lenses and manual focusing To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <569C5A0F24334C90B04E7D4A813D8A74@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0NAAFLpUgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBXIdaqksDgVQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,216,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="297663686" References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 18:24:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5adbd132269117217770 The precision focusing I experienced with my OM4T and M cameras has not been carried forward to either of my E500 and E510 cameras. The auto focus and manual focusing mechanisms just do not seem to measure up when using the film cameras as a base against which to measure the results. When these digital cameras have been used to photograph stationary objects, landscapes and people who remain stationary during the photo taking stage the results have generally been excellent. What is really missed is the split image accuracy of both film cameras together with the immediacy of the exposure having depressed the shutter release button. Is there any reasonable expectation that the manual split image focusing experience of the OM4T and the Ms will emerge in subsequent releases of the Olympus E series camera? Also, when will the E cameras come out with a version that does away with the part second delay between pressing the exposure button and "exposing the film"? I've had a lot of disappointments caused by this delay. All of which makes me reluctant to even think about giving up my film cameras. John Hudson ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 19:14:59 2008 Received: (qmail 31059 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 17:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 17:14:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EF6C2FCA; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00569C3C95 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7FHEjMS018720 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:14:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <380-2200885150315734@earthlink.net> <250B917B-1137-47DC-8443-DEFC10CCA221@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <250B917B-1137-47DC-8443-DEFC10CCA221@people.net.au> Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:14:46 -0700 Message-ID: <642222660C2B4372B861DE69769F2086@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 thread-index: Acj+qiR7eNaZaiZDRJ2EhyeTaqnQ3QAUCyog X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 19:14:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5b99360891529615919 I think the Antechinus is more young men's dream, then going like the Mantis. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Andrew Fildes Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:40 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Garden Spider If you know much about the semen transfer process in spiders, it's not too much of a good time. And the average male isn't much more than a snack. The Praying Mantis is far more exciting - the nervous shock of having his head bitten off during coitus triggers ejaculation. And she gets a decent feed of animal protein to aid egg development. Then there's our marsupial mouse, the Antechinus (5-6 species). Sized like a small rat. Mating season in October - no feeding, no thinking, just coupling. Multiple partners - 2-3 times per day for 5-6 hours per time. By the end of the month, all the females are pregnant. And all the males are dead. Their immune system collapses from stress. So they are no longer around to compete for food. The females die of exhaustion after the dozen or so offspring are independant. Antechinus die of sex or childraising. Some choice. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 15/08/2008, at 10:31 AM, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Could be worse I seem to remember hearing of some species that mate > once it > falls off and you die. John >> >> >> We may get mates for life, they get mates for a good time and a meal. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 20:17:52 2008 Received: (qmail 22145 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 18:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 18:17:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DF6C3083; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:17:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:17:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3582C2EBB for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4360 invoked by uid 504); 15 Aug 2008 18:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 18:17:37 -0000 Message-ID: <48A5C841.9060105@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:17:37 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> <569C5A0F24334C90B04E7D4A813D8A74@hudson> In-Reply-To: <569C5A0F24334C90B04E7D4A813D8A74@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 20:17:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5c850314378512572685 Perhaps you just need to turn to some after market suppliers: Also available much cheaper from various ebay sellers. I don't know anything about the ebay products or sellers but I believe that Katz Eye Optics is the premier seller for aftermarket digital camera focusing aids. With some cameras, fitting the aftermarket split image screen has some effect on metering or some other side effect but the Katz Eye link states there is nothing adverse about the Oly conversion. Also read about "Katz Eye Plus" and their "OptiBrite treatment which is designed to solve the problem of split image blackout with slower lenses. I've never used an Oly digital but the things that can cause shutter delay are metering and focusing. I don't think the meter would be slow in a modern E camera but the camera could be hunting a bit on focusing. I'm not familiar with The E things but Canon digitals (via "custom function" settings) have the capability to remove the autofocus control from the shutter button and place it around on the back of the camera where it falls under your thumb. That's what I do and, although the camera is on autofocus about 99.9% of the time, I am always in direct control of the moment of focus and that is generally separate from exposure and firing the camera. If the camera is focused (or thinks it is) if will fire instantly. To check your 500 and 510 for the cause of the delay just put it in manual focus and see if it fires instantly. If it does then try to find whatever control exists (if it does) to move the focus control off the shutter button. If you have subjects in motion I'm sure the camera has an autofocus mode to handle it. Canon's have two related moving subject modes. One is for initially static subjects which may start to move and the other is for subjects in continuous motion. I'm sure the Olys must have something similar. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > > The precision focusing I experienced with my OM4T and M cameras has not been > carried forward to either of my E500 and E510 cameras. > > The auto focus and manual focusing mechanisms just do not seem to measure up > when using the film cameras as a base against which to measure the results. > > When these digital cameras have been used to photograph stationary objects, > landscapes and people who remain stationary during the photo taking stage > the results have generally been excellent. > > What is really missed is the split image accuracy of both film cameras > together with the immediacy of the exposure having depressed the shutter > release button. > > Is there any reasonable expectation that the manual split image focusing > experience of the OM4T and the Ms will emerge in subsequent releases of the > Olympus E series camera? > > Also, when will the E cameras come out with a version that does away with > the part second delay between pressing the exposure button and "exposing the > film"? I've had a lot of disappointments caused by this delay. > > All of which makes me reluctant to even think about giving up my film > cameras. > > John Hudson > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:58 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 21:01:58 2008 Received: (qmail 19635 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 19:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 19:01:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B11C3228; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442BFC3BD5 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so913627nfi.19 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nOnQ9Trk3DGwvtxNzV7/Etqsx6ajL/TIXeU4FXRB3Dk=; b=DGjGs+qCgDOXDtRoYsR0mxT5R1QBqHTw0s8HXFhVFdeEykELZugYi3pUe9PhZtZIiZ Xhsh+NpLe256aVNrPyeyLiugpO6fzL31cPUReNMe29UitTIS+MZMGcWyfCKuHFYUv93W BMg8NRGgWcvlLPe5h+Jb0FT0Or789CCDRz2VE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cM1LhkRnlhvxNwBWNAzwThxr+0dylOx6tQNbgaWM2ATcLwALEhn9UPJRNlhY9qSR76 fvqvBWA4yUHdvriVsgNvvRavbQadvwAhnmr2eKy7d2xcHUHQhe7z85eMyP9fc5h4LDFc AmRn3SwSIYDHqnaaCkkrD4+IZswzfO3APD4L8= Received: by 10.210.47.1 with SMTP id u1mr3568732ebu.133.1218826874194; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:01:14 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing In-Reply-To: <48A5C841.9060105@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> <569C5A0F24334C90B04E7D4A813D8A74@hudson> <48A5C841.9060105@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 21:01:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5d2a6195721585427447 I don't have any 5** cameras, but this is how I have the E1, 410, 420 and 3 set up. I really don't get on with autofocus on the shutter button, but this way it's pretty good. Tom 2008/8/15 Chuck Norcutt ............. > I'm not familiar with The E things but Canon digitals (via "custom > function" settings) have the capability to remove the autofocus control > from the shutter button and place it around on the back of the camera > where it falls under your thumb. That's what I do and, although the > camera is on autofocus about 99.9% of the time, I am always in direct > control of the moment of focus and that is generally separate from > exposure and firing the camera. If the camera is focused (or thinks it > is) if will fire instantly. To check your 500 and 510 for the cause of > the delay just put it in manual focus and see if it fires instantly. If > it does then try to find whatever control exists (if it does) to move > the focus control off the shutter button. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 21:02:10 2008 Received: (qmail 8072 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 19:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 19:02:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D005EC3E87; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0380BC3EF0 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5N00M24OUJHN40@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:01:31 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-178-59.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.178.59]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:58:10 -0300 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:01:54 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <4E8DA3D2208F437DA8705C0119364A7A@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0NAFxvpUgY3rI7/2dsb2JhbACBXIdaqwoDgVQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,216,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="153689890" References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> <569C5A0F24334C90B04E7D4A813D8A74@hudson> <48A5C841.9060105@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 21:02:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5d2b27481499373980 Thanks Chuck. I'll investigate. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing > Perhaps you just need to turn to some after market suppliers: > > > Also available much cheaper from various ebay sellers. > > > I don't know anything about the ebay products or sellers but I believe > that Katz Eye Optics is the premier seller for aftermarket digital > camera focusing aids. > > With some cameras, fitting the aftermarket split image screen has some > effect on metering or some other side effect but the Katz Eye link > states there is nothing adverse about the Oly conversion. Also read > about "Katz Eye Plus" and their "OptiBrite treatment which is designed > to solve the problem of split image blackout with slower lenses. > > I've never used an Oly digital but the things that can cause shutter > delay are metering and focusing. I don't think the meter would be slow > in a modern E camera but the camera could be hunting a bit on focusing. > I'm not familiar with The E things but Canon digitals (via "custom > function" settings) have the capability to remove the autofocus control > from the shutter button and place it around on the back of the camera > where it falls under your thumb. That's what I do and, although the > camera is on autofocus about 99.9% of the time, I am always in direct > control of the moment of focus and that is generally separate from > exposure and firing the camera. If the camera is focused (or thinks it > is) if will fire instantly. To check your 500 and 510 for the cause of > the delay just put it in manual focus and see if it fires instantly. If > it does then try to find whatever control exists (if it does) to move > the focus control off the shutter button. > > If you have subjects in motion I'm sure the camera has an autofocus mode > to handle it. Canon's have two related moving subject modes. One is > for initially static subjects which may start to move and the other is > for subjects in continuous motion. I'm sure the Olys must have > something similar. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: >> >> The precision focusing I experienced with my OM4T and M cameras has not >> been >> carried forward to either of my E500 and E510 cameras. >> >> The auto focus and manual focusing mechanisms just do not seem to measure >> up >> when using the film cameras as a base against which to measure the >> results. >> >> When these digital cameras have been used to photograph stationary >> objects, >> landscapes and people who remain stationary during the photo taking stage >> the results have generally been excellent. >> >> What is really missed is the split image accuracy of both film cameras >> together with the immediacy of the exposure having depressed the shutter >> release button. >> >> Is there any reasonable expectation that the manual split image focusing >> experience of the OM4T and the Ms will emerge in subsequent releases of >> the >> Olympus E series camera? >> >> Also, when will the E cameras come out with a version that does away with >> the part second delay between pressing the exposure button and "exposing >> the >> film"? I've had a lot of disappointments caused by this delay. >> >> All of which makes me reluctant to even think about giving up my film >> cameras. >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 >> 5:58 AM >> >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 22:46:48 2008 Received: (qmail 24503 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 20:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 20:46:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435EFC425A; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:46:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 65FEAC43EC for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:45:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 83858 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 20:45:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=H/20KJmeFtfYQ3sqCMdejhXpTLhrL88Sc1R8ex/kAdWNR9VdITnbNvgwoil7ByWJhZo8OsnVhnrWkPEtCeUUOdXEZMMljRneHtgGUuzmSemlrH23oAAIhA807qH2CDHXNk3c/ZPbBhq6ohvn8DI7FSBBG8hbEIksyH0LQBidgTc=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:45:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:45:34 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <005601c8ff5f$2f7ce770$98f06744@youra9279112e3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <862088.83820.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 22:46:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5eb38120931234514069 You can use 357's I believe. Stacked one on top of another with a bit of foil warpped around it to keep them steady and a spring. Otherwise you can get an adapter from people like the Yashica guy: http://www.yashica-guy.com/document/battery.html I believe the battery is a PX32a or equivalent. I do know with the adapter, the battery is readily available. > > > > > I'm curious what battery goes in the Electro GT? > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 22:52:00 2008 Received: (qmail 6165 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 20:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 20:52:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC4FC2826; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:51:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:51:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556A9C2D1A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:51:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15AB314168 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645C2314167 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:51:55 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] flickr alternative Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080815-0, 08/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 22:52:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5ec70160991869477228 Fernando and anyone else who may want to try another photo web host. This one looks promising and free for first 100 photos. http://www.viewbook.com// Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 23:01:37 2008 Received: (qmail 26859 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 21:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 21:01:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227A3C2F55; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE68C30A9 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so944732nfi.19 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:01:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2eVRfSbS0hlSm+Wk9U4coLfBEbfODU1e2eWgWUFWhDE=; b=cqMQH0jHaqXcPyVt0nnskCHjgjSFXiQ7mmW61qcCKe5h/8x7RfEG2fMHgTlpB/ACg2 +K8tv1MtMAIg2g8Xwaw9BCOvpEIR4Kq7QZB3yS9kICHSpw7DxL1FJoywdcsPLMkYH5jh pok7dvEXC5CNioLxc+Eqjnuh+oirIZpSLMNNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=U5eLF1KAMNK02LyodYNAA2HQ0rSUJEDNADDR3EmhlVXAwpqKNOpOgxa8kXSbd4PO0s CVKYhZnuddwOO037dlFpIzfiy9IaqeOoYZbSeRarADLD9Z5569hSLrxuLbNiJSbh9G4Q RM0PDhqhSOTxYrWW/f20rjJeXohoI3Au4IGyQ= Received: by 10.210.66.13 with SMTP id o13mr3712068eba.193.1218834075865; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.90.16 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:01:15 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative In-Reply-To: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 23:01:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5eeb1196862070262475 Looks pretty good... And the free 100 photos is enough for a good portfolio if it allows a reasonable amount of flexibility. I will investigate. Something much closer to a personal website than flickr or pbase would be fun - especially for nothing! Thanks, Tom 2008/8/15 Mike > > Fernando and anyone else who may want to try another photo web host. > This one looks promising and free for first 100 photos. > > http://www.viewbook.com// > > Mike > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 23:24:45 2008 Received: (qmail 15324 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 21:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 21:24:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F89C3042; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:24:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:24:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd7mo1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CEAC3392 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (HELO pd7ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.153.161]) by pd7mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2008 15:24:32 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=lX_bJsTZh4nqbCyPA88A:9 a=UWZA_rZqhYFYK34vADQA:7 a=P4O7qtuGuVGm8TdHKARgzBKS3T4A:4 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd7ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2008 15:24:32 -0600 Message-Id: <39753A93-134C-47BB-871E-2D6C17FA6BD1@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <120F936CA7F64CBD8481B230A29C683F@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:24:31 -0600 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <120F936CA7F64CBD8481B230A29C683F@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 23:24:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5f41d148021470116606 Hi: No I am a Chartered Financial Consultant- I know Gord Ross the realtor - we met at a clients party. The real Gord Ross On 15-Aug-08, at 9:33 AM, John Hudson wrote: > > Gordon ....... some great photos but haven't got through them all. > > During your [supposed :-))] absence in brightest Africa there was some > concern on the list that you might have sneaked back home and done a > listing > of a multi multi million dollar, close on 10,000 square foot house > with > triple garage, high on a bluff just north of the Bow River somewhere > quite > close to the 1st Street west and 1st Avenue north intersection. Said > listing > got quite a spread in the National Post very clearly showing Gordon > Ross as > the realtor. Tell us that you really did list this > easy-to-walk-to-the-office-in-downtown-Calgary pad ! > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Ross" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:13 PM > Subject: [OM] Africa > > >> >> Hi All: >> >> Here is the address for my Africa photos- I have not edited them >> other than some shadow control. They are time lined and represent a >> running log of the 6 weeks I backpacked there. This is not meant to >> be a presentation as it is the bulk of what I actually shot. What I >> used- Olympus 1030SW (very happy with it btw), and Nik*n D200 with >> 11-22, 18-200VR and 70-300VR lenses. >> >> http://gallery.me.com/gordross >> >> All comments and suggestions are welcome >> >> Gord >> >> On 14-Aug-08, at 2:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >> >>> >>> Gord >>> >>> You set those preferences when you make a new album, but if you >>> highlight an existing album and the click on the Preferences button >>> (icon with 2 little switches at the top, in the middle) you can >>> revise >>> them. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 14 Aug 2008, at 20:37, Gordon Ross wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> A question for list members that use Aperture 2 - I set up a >>>> MobileMe >>>> site (because it asked me to and made it easy) BUT I don't know >>>> how >>>> to access it or to share it. There are 1100 photos on it of my 6 >>>> week >>>> Africa jaunt some of which may be of interest. Can anyone help? >>>> >>>> Thanks Gord >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 23:51:56 2008 Received: (qmail 23813 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 21:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 21:51:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B42C2DEA; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:51:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:51:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C44C2C80 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:51:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.1.238] (r190-135-1-238.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.1.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7FLpSIk028804; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:51:30 -0300 Message-ID: <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:51:36 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Cc: Mike Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 23:51:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5fa7c30381234514069 Thanks a lot Mike - shall see how it works. Looks quite elegant. Sending this Cc because still don't know if my posting reaches the list. BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o Fernando. Mike wrote: > Fernando and anyone else who may want to try another photo web host. > This one looks promising and free for first 100 photos. > > http://www.viewbook.com// > > Mike > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Fri Aug 15 23:53:20 2008 Received: (qmail 6577 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 21:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 21:53:19 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD74C2D6E; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 53631C2D0C for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:53:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 98300 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 21:53:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=tlH8xNZC4YE2QLl3PaNwIdZ6AtQ9u8LHiqPMHoLzGmDEvKIq1BcwxyUrx7WjSOL7pqiRLYf8Gh918+ednePSZyJRmXd2J4qXadCK5c2CaZ96aZ1N3xOLMQ8J0liyjUPZAc6KdxP1b7Dt7Df4Vs1vd+uZN+6wkijMvKZ8O8vRfcU=; Received: from [71.126.0.254] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:53:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:53:07 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <820454.98040.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Aug 15 23:53:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a5fad031031234514069 Ipernity is a good place also. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 00:21:56 2008 Received: (qmail 17 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E758C2FE7; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:21:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:21:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EBEFC2959 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28396 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 22:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 22:21:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <2C7F08E2-E971-4C96-B8C4-6CD5287B0821@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:21:37 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 00:21:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a60184315465368819438 Had trouble getting it going until I replaced the terminal o with a 1. Exqusite, painful and quite wonderful. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 16/08/2008, at 7:51 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: > > http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 01:19:59 2008 Received: (qmail 6392 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FB6C2F55; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9422BC27B7 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7FNJOxU010195 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:19:45 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:19:21 +1000 Message-ID: <001401c8ff2d$5a3d7f10$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <862088.83820.qm@web39802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 thread-index: Acj/GAlGTNZQlLK1Qo6NI4lhIlQOTAAE7aQg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 01:19:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a60f1f189901702588592 > > You can use 357's I believe. Stacked one on top of another > with a bit of foil warpped around it to keep them steady and > a spring. Don't wrap them in foil, you'll essentially be shorting one of them. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 01:23:46 2008 Received: (qmail 22997 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 23:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 23:23:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A38C2B51; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF7CC293A for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:23:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8411 invoked by uid 502); 15 Aug 2008 23:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.187.216) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Aug 2008 23:23:30 -0000 Message-ID: <48A60FED.1080901@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:23:25 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> <569C5A0F24334C90B04E7D4A813D8A74@hudson> In-Reply-To: <569C5A0F24334C90B04E7D4A813D8A74@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 01:23:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a61002150025368819438 John Hudson wrote: > The precision focusing I experienced with my OM4T and M cameras has not been carried forward to either of my E500 and E510 cameras. > In addition to Chuck's excellent suggestions, I have some observations and ideas that may or may not either help or throw light on the source of the problems and answers to your larger questoins. First, it seems fair to point out that the Leica M cameras are premium priced masterpieces of camera making.* They also used a completely different form of focusing than (D)SLRs. The OM-4T was right up there among the very best MF 35mm film cameras ever made in the area of viewfinder and focusing. Both represent the best their makers were capable of for their flagship cameras within existing technology. The E-500-510-520 are quite different products. Rather than top of the line, they are very competitively priced consumer models. That means they incorporate many compromises not because of technological constraints, but because of cost constraints. The camera to compare to those icons from the past in the Oly line is the E-3. Yes, I know it's big, heavy and expensive. But the state of the art of technology at the moment is that getting all the performance still requires big and heavy. That will change at least somewhat. As to cost, I'm too lazy at the moment to do the calculations, but I'll bet the E-3 is no more expensive, adjusted for inflation, the the original OM-4T(i). The E-400 & 500 series are inexpensive cameras. A good part of the reason they have been so successful is the nice balance/compromise of cost, size, weight and performance. But they are not cameras with state of the art 4/3 performance and IQ. > The auto focus and manual focusing mechanisms just do not seem to measure up when using the film cameras as a base against which to measure the results. > Here, although I don't have those cameras, I would suggest that it is partly 'different'. I have quite a few shots with digital that are a great deal better than they would have been with MF film. That's for the simple reason that I wouldn't have gotten the shot at all, as I could not have focused and shot before the moment passed. Based on reviews, the E-500 series are competitive with other DSLRs in this regard. > When these digital cameras have been used to photograph stationary objects, landscapes and people who remain stationary during the photo taking stage the results have generally been excellent. > > What is really missed is the split image accuracy of both film cameras together with the immediacy of the exposure having depressed the shutter release button. > I think Chuck's suggestion of focus lock is a good one. It should speed shutter release in many cases. There are a couple of possible causes for delay beyond inherent camera speed. One is the AF system. One thing to try is setting the camera to use only the single, central AF point. Then it doesn't have to spend any time deciding which point to use. That's how I have mine set all the time. Whether it will make a difference on your cameras, I have no idea, but it's easy to try. I do it to be sure where the camera is going to focus. The second is to know that AF speed is a function of both camera body and lens. When I tried the E-1, part of the reason I ended up with another brand is that focus with the original 50-200 on the E-1 was slow and unreliable in anything but ideal conditions of light and with a contrasty subject. The one I tried would literally hunt for focus at the long end for several seconds or simply give up with the same subject and lighting where a Canon focused quickly and accurately. I'm not suggesting that the E-500-10 are that slow, but that lens can make a difference. Oly didn't replace the 50-200 with a new model just as a marketing move. I know that focusing design in the lens can make a big difference. I have mostly Tamron AF lenses for my Canons, and their focus speed is quite adequate for my kind of photography, but the USM focus models of Canon's own lenses are noticeably faster (and quieter). > Is there any reasonable expectation that the manual split image focusing experience of the OM4T and the Ms will emerge in subsequent releases of the Olympus E series camera? > I don't understand the continued reference to rangefinders here. The E-series are SLRs, and an inherently different experience than an SLR. Perhaps Oly or Panny will come up with a rangefinder Micro 4/3 camera one day. As to the experience of SLR viewfinder manual focusing, 4/3 and APS sensor sized cameras have a problem of optical physics to deal with. With a smaller viewfinder screen and a lens of the same speed, enlarging the apparent image seen by the eye to the same size as a 4T ( let alone the larger OM-1 & 2 finder images) requires more magnification than on the FF camera, and thus is inherently darker. Then there is the lens speed issue. I don't recall which DZ lenses you have, but the kit lenses aren't as fast as the lenses we were ( and some still are) often using with our OMs. Slower maximum aperture equals dimmer finder image and harder manual focusing. If you really want to know the answer, try out an E-3 with a fast lens. The cross section of the E-3 shows a huge pentaprism relative to viewscreen size and a large, complex viewfinder optical system. Just look at the viewfinder bulge on top of an E-3 vs an E-5xx The massive viewfinder system, specs and reviewer/user comments suggest that this is way better than any previous E-thingie and probably the best that may be achieved with 4/3. One of the problems with MF on DSLRs, at least small sensor ones, is that the finder screens are optimized for brightness over the ability to show focus accurately. Oly does offer an alternate screen for the E-3, but it is supposedly not user changeable and has no split image focusing aid. I suppose after market folks will expand on that. > Also, when will the E cameras come out with a version that does away with the part second delay between pressing the exposure button and "exposing the film"? I've had a lot of disappointments caused by this delay. > In a way, this is unfair - to compare shutter release delay after you have manually focused to delay that includes AF. But Chuck has showed how to correct that with focus lock. On the other hand, the best current camera lens combos focus incredibly quickly in anything but quite dim light. Again, try one of the newer, SWD motor DZ lenses on the E-510 and/or an E-3. I think you may find shutter lag due to AF considerably reduced. > All of which makes me reluctant to even think about giving up my film cameras. > I'm not doing that anyway! :-) And just a blasphemous note relative to your last line: Oly is not the only one making digital cameras. There are others that outperform them in various ways, including the areas of concern you raise here. Moose * Although I don't like rangefinder cameras, for various reasons, I recognize the great quality of the design and manufacture of Leicas and their lenses. As long as I don't have to use them. :-D ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 01:56:13 2008 Received: (qmail 12069 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2008 23:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 23:56:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC26C2CF2; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:56:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:56:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51588C3131 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:56:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.1.238] (r190-135-1-238.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.1.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7FNtoNI004199 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:55:54 -0300 Message-ID: <48A6178F.8050006@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:55:59 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OM]Days with mt father was: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <2C7F08E2-E971-4C96-B8C4-6CD5287B0821@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2C7F08E2-E971-4C96-B8C4-6CD5287B0821@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 01:56:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6179d61481591313764 Indeed - proper link is: http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/ but it loads slowly. hundreds of thoughts went tru' my mind Fernando (I frequently see people suffering Dementia, the boundaries of not existing as self ... ) Andrew Fildes wrote: > Had trouble getting it going until I replaced the terminal o with a 1. > Exqusite, painful and quite wonderful. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 16/08/2008, at 7:51 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > >> BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: >> >> http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o >> >> >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 02:50:41 2008 Received: (qmail 14551 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7C4C2E23; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E25C2D14 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:50:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18391 invoked by uid 504); 16 Aug 2008 00:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) 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Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Thanks a lot Mike - shall see how it works. Looks quite elegant. > Sending this Cc because still don't know if my posting reaches the list. > > BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: > > http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o > > Fernando. > > Mike wrote: >> Fernando and anyone else who may want to try another photo web host. >> This one looks promising and free for first 100 photos. >> >> http://www.viewbook.com// >> >> Mike > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 03:02:48 2008 Received: (qmail 4580 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 01:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:02:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D46C2D25; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:02:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:02:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A1EC2C9D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:02:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.bfe.44d4ebcf (34909) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-885d48a62722156; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:02:26 -0400 Received: from webmail-me16 (webmail-me16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.208]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748a6271e10e; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:02:22 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:02:22 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.208) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:02:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 03:02:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6273875338512572685 Moose says: One of the problems with MF on DSLRs, at least small sensor ones, is that the finder screens are optimized for brightness over the ability to show focus accurately. Oly does offer an alternate screen for the E-3, but it is supposedly not user changeable and has no split image focusing aid. I suppose after market folks will expand on that. Moose and Chuck hit the nail on the head a usual.? I ran across an article which I excerpted below on focussing screens and manual focus: "When Focus Screens Lie Modern focus screens seldom have focus aids. Most just have some markings to show AF and/or metering areas. But other than that, they tend to be plain "ground glass" screens. The split prism focus aid and the microprism collar that were common when I got my first SLR went away long ago. The invention of phase detect autofocus swept most of that away. And guess what, the focus screens in modern DSLRs really aren't ground glass either. Ther aren't ground, nor are they glass. They're typically plastic and their surfaces are made up of an a bunch tiny microlenses. Now I'm not an anti-plastic snob. Plastic can be a super material. But those pesky microlenses definitely drop a fly in our legacy, manual focus, lens ointment. So what's the big deal? Why should you care about a bunch of little microlenses. You can still focus on that screen. Heck - we've all done it. You can sit there and see the image go in and out of focus. So what's the problem? Well, the problem usually isn't immediately obvious. Sometimes these new focus screens do an OK job at manual focus. But at other times, they flat out fail. The problem begins with the desire for nice bright finders in our DSLRs. Most people want bright finders. But getting that in a modern DSLR presents obstacles. Since most DSLR formats are smaller than 35mm film, most DSLRs use more screen magnification than 35mm film cameras. More magnification leads to a darker screen. The autofocus sensors (now a standard requirement) need to be able to look at the image at the same time you are using the finder to compose your picture. So light must be diverted to them for that purpose. The reflex mirror that sends the lens image up to the focus screen and your eye is partially tranparent to allow some of the light from the lens to find its way to the autofocus sensors. That results in less light getting to the focus screen and means a dimmer screen. More and more people use slow or moderately fast zooms instead of faster primes these days. Oops. There goes some more light. So slower lenses, a smaller format and the needs of autofocus all work against the engineer's goal of delivering a bright finder to you. The poor engineer has to find solutions, and there are only so many photons coming through that slow lens to work with dang it! So the engineers put microlenses into our focus screens. These microlenses are really efficient at passing light at a paricular lens f-number or range of f-numbers. For lower priced cameras, the camera engineers assume the user will mostly be using lenses with apertures of around f/3.5-f/5.6 - so those cameras have screens that are efficient at that range. They expect buyers of more expensive cameras to be using lenses that are somewhat faster. Maybe f/2 - f/3.5 is more common for that group of buyers. So they use screens that are more efficient at that range for those cameras. This all works pretty well. Most finders are fairly bright. But there's a price to be paid when you start doing stuff that the engineers weren't counting on. Like mounting that legacy f/1.4 manual focus lens. I'm not going to try to explain exactly how these microlenses work. That's mostly because I'm not fully sure of the details. But the basic idea seems to be that they are very efficient at passing light that hits them from certain aperture sizes. This works great when you have a lens of that aperture range mounted. You get a very bright image since the screen is so efficient at passing light at those apertures. But if you mount a faster lens, you don't get a proportionally brighter image. The microlenses don't pass that extra light very efficiently at all. Larry J. Clark ran tests on the Olympus E-1 and E-500 using a one degree spot meter to measure screen brightness at different apertures and his result show the non-linearity quite nicely. Click here to see a graph of the results. More details can be found here. Now from the standpoint of viewfinder brightness, this is no big deal. If the screen is bright enough at f/4, then it will also be plenty bright with an f/2.0 lens mounted. Maybe not as bright as the more expensive camera that has a screen tuned for f/2.8 or faster, but still plenty bright. And it allows you to have a pretty bright image with your inexpensive slower lens. That's a good thing! But from the standpoint of manual focus, it isn't necessarily so good. The rays from the larger aperture that are being blocked from getting through are the rays that show the most misfocus. This means that the focus screen has the effect of showing screen focus that is about the same as if you had stopped your lens down to f/4!! Now if you are shooting at around f/4 or slower, this isn't a problem. The screen focus will be very similar to the focus delivered by the lens. But if you are shooting at f/1.4, it's a big deal. You simply can't see the point of sharp focus. So when shooting at a large aperture with shallow DoF - precisely the place where you tend to need good critical focusing capabilities - you have a focus screen that shows too much DoF and makes the image appear to be in-focus when it isn't. Lots of people don't believe this. It is counter-intuitive. And if they never focus with fast lenses at fast apertures, they won't be able to notice it. But if they mount a legacy 85mm f/1.4 to the typical DSLR and shoot at fast apertures, they may soon be wondering if maybe their eyes need checking. After all, it sure looked in-focus. It really did! Blink - blink!! " I then quieried Rachel at Katzeye on how they achieve both a brighter screen yet retain the ability to accurately manually focus fast glass: I think some have tried Brightscreen screens on the 5D which have helped some in this regard but was not a total solution.? Mike Rachel replied: "Regarding the brightness and focusing of fast glass, that is a legitimate concern and loss of focusing ability is commonly the case with brightness enhancement techniques that apply a coating to the screen.? Essentially, what those coating techniques do is cut down on the diffusion (and by extension, the focusing contrast or 'snap') by smoothing over the surface. I don't want to single anyone out by name, but that general idea is the traditional brightness enhancing technique that's been around for a while and is used by most of the other companies you can find offering brighter screens.? Our process is significantly different, however.? We do not coat the screen and we do not simply smooth over the surface.? The details of our OptiBrite treatment are of course proprietary, but we actually change the structure of the plastic at the microscopic level in a very controlled way to modify the scattering profile for a specific result.? What this allows us to do is maintain the overall level of diffusion so that the focusing contrast remains high and focusing of fast glass is still optimal.? But within the overall diffusion profile, we can preferentially augment specific scattering angles to increase the amount of light that reaches the eye.? So, to make a long story short, the OptiBrite treatment we offer on the Katz Eye screens does not have a negative impact on the focusing of fast glass as is the case with other brightness enhancement processes." ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 03:20:05 2008 Received: (qmail 6995 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 01:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:20:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABB4C2D00; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2EDC2B70 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50936 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KUASI-0000Qo-Td for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:19:46 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:19:44 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Thread-Index: Acj/PioiaN0sqmsxEd2aSgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 03:20:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a62b4593385368819438 I wanted to respond to something in that article. Almost all 35mm SLR cameras have used plastic focusing screens since the 1970's. The Olympus OM screens are all plastic, even the oldest ones. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 8/15/08 9:02 PM, "usher99@aol.com" wrote: > > Moose says: > > One of the problems with MF on DSLRs, at least small sensor ones, is > that the finder screens are optimized for brightness over the ability to > show focus accurately. Oly does offer an alternate screen for the E-3, > but it is supposedly not user changeable and has no split image focusing > aid. I suppose after market folks will expand on that. > > Moose and Chuck hit the nail on the head a usual.? I ran across an article > which I excerpted below on focussing screens and manual focus: > > > "When Focus Screens Lie > Modern focus screens seldom have focus aids. Most just have some markings to > show AF and/or metering areas. But other than that, they tend to be plain > "ground glass" screens. The split prism focus aid and the microprism collar > that were common when I got my first SLR went away long ago. The invention of > phase detect autofocus swept most of that away. And guess what, the focus > screens in modern DSLRs really aren't ground glass either. Ther aren't ground, > nor are they glass. They're typically plastic and their surfaces are made up > of an a bunch tiny microlenses. Now I'm not an anti-plastic snob. Plastic can > be a super material. But those pesky microlenses definitely drop a fly in our > legacy, manual focus, lens ointment. > > So what's the big deal? Why should you care about a bunch of little > microlenses. You can still focus on that screen. Heck - we've all done it. You > can sit there and see the image go in and out of focus. So what's the problem? > > Well, the problem usually isn't immediately obvious. Sometimes these new focus > screens do an OK job at manual focus. But at other times, they flat out fail. > > The problem begins with the desire for nice bright finders in our DSLRs. Most > people want bright finders. But getting that in a modern DSLR presents > obstacles. Since most DSLR formats are smaller than 35mm film, most DSLRs use > more screen magnification than 35mm film cameras. More magnification leads to > a darker screen. The autofocus sensors (now a standard requirement) need to be > able to look at the image at the same time you are using the finder to compose > your picture. So light must be diverted to them for that purpose. The reflex > mirror that sends the lens image up to the focus screen and your eye is > partially tranparent to allow some of the light from the lens to find its way > to the autofocus sensors. That results in less light getting to the focus > screen and means a dimmer screen. More and more people use slow or moderately > fast zooms instead of faster primes these days. Oops. There goes some more > light. > > So slower lenses, a smaller format and the needs of autofocus all work against > the engineer's goal of delivering a bright finder to you. The poor engineer > has to find solutions, and there are only so many photons coming through that > slow lens to work with dang it! > > So the engineers put microlenses into our focus screens. These microlenses are > really efficient at passing light at a paricular lens f-number or range of > f-numbers. For lower priced cameras, the camera engineers assume the user will > mostly be using lenses with apertures of around f/3.5-f/5.6 - so those cameras > have screens that are efficient at that range. They expect buyers of more > expensive cameras to be using lenses that are somewhat faster. Maybe f/2 - > f/3.5 is more common for that group of buyers. So they use screens that are > more efficient at that range for those cameras. > > This all works pretty well. Most finders are fairly bright. But there's a > price to be paid when you start doing stuff that the engineers weren't > counting on. Like mounting that legacy f/1.4 manual focus lens. > > I'm not going to try to explain exactly how these microlenses work. That's > mostly because I'm not fully sure of the details. But the basic idea seems to > be that they are very efficient at passing light that hits them from certain > aperture sizes. This works great when you have a lens of that aperture range > mounted. You get a very bright image since the screen is so efficient at > passing light at those apertures. But if you mount a faster lens, you don't > get a proportionally brighter image. The microlenses don't pass that extra > light very efficiently at all. > > Larry J. Clark ran tests on the Olympus E-1 and E-500 using a one degree spot > meter to measure screen brightness at different apertures and his result show > the non-linearity quite nicely. Click here to see a graph of the results. More > details can be found here. > > Now from the standpoint of viewfinder brightness, this is no big deal. If the > screen is bright enough at f/4, then it will also be plenty bright with an > f/2.0 lens mounted. Maybe not as bright as the more expensive camera that has > a screen tuned for f/2.8 or faster, but still plenty bright. And it allows you > to have a pretty bright image with your inexpensive slower lens. That's a good > thing! > > But from the standpoint of manual focus, it isn't necessarily so good. The > rays from the larger aperture that are being blocked from getting through are > the rays that show the most misfocus. This means that the focus screen has the > effect of showing screen focus that is about the same as if you had stopped > your lens down to f/4!! Now if you are shooting at around f/4 or slower, this > isn't a problem. The screen focus will be very similar to the focus delivered > by the lens. But if you are shooting at f/1.4, it's a big deal. You simply > can't see the point of sharp focus. So when shooting at a large aperture with > shallow DoF - precisely the place where you tend to need good critical > focusing capabilities - you have a focus screen that shows too much DoF and > makes the image appear to be in-focus when it isn't. > > Lots of people don't believe this. It is counter-intuitive. And if they never > focus with fast lenses at fast apertures, they won't be able to notice it. But > if they mount a legacy 85mm f/1.4 to the typical DSLR and shoot at fast > apertures, they may soon be wondering if maybe their eyes need checking. After > all, it sure looked in-focus. It really did! Blink - blink!! " > > I then quieried Rachel at Katzeye on how they achieve both a brighter screen > yet retain the ability to accurately manually focus fast glass: > I think some have tried Brightscreen screens on the 5D which have helped some > in this regard but was not a total solution.? > > Mike > > > Rachel replied: > > "Regarding the brightness and focusing of fast glass, that is a legitimate > concern and loss of focusing ability is commonly the case with brightness > enhancement techniques that apply a coating to the screen.? Essentially, > what those coating techniques do is cut down on the diffusion (and by > extension, the focusing contrast or 'snap') by smoothing over the surface. > I don't want to single anyone out by name, but that general idea is the > traditional brightness enhancing technique that's been around for a while > and is used by most of the other companies you can find offering brighter > screens.? Our process is significantly different, however.? We do not coat > the screen and we do not simply smooth over the surface.? The details of our > OptiBrite treatment are of course proprietary, but we actually change the > structure of the plastic at the microscopic level in a very controlled way > to modify the scattering profile for a specific result.? What this allows us > to do is maintain the overall level of diffusion so that the focusing > contrast remains high and focusing of fast glass is still optimal.? But > within the overall diffusion profile, we can preferentially augment specific > scattering angles to increase the amount of light that reaches the eye.? So, > to make a long story short, the OptiBrite treatment we offer on the Katz Eye > screens does not have a negative impact on the focusing of fast glass as is > the case with other brightness enhancement processes." > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 03:28:32 2008 Received: (qmail 10676 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 01:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:28:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51414C31C7; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:28:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47268C318C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:28:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.1.238] (r190-135-1-238.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.1.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7G1SEwe009007 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:28:15 -0300 Message-ID: <48A62D35.6080907@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:28:21 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> <6CE267DAA2D9478AB89C1116A149B724@Alaisdairthree> <000001c8fe39$d257cea0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> <48A47D40.2090304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 03:28:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a62d4073738512572685 Well, most probably for different reasons than yours I refuse to move out the OM system. This, as long as film is manufactured. Go figure, just bought my first OM 4 body. I don't like the idea that a photograph must need a computer. A photograph should exist by itself, as a material object. An almost simple chemical reaction. They may be digitized if one needs to do it. It certainly may improve the original but complexity grows; the more complex, the more likely to fail at some point (cost? reliability?). Waiting for Monday to come, to go buying another 20 rolls of Provia 100F while available. Film supply (color reversal film, that is) is critical in this small city. But I could get accustomed to brazilian Fujicolor C41, it's plenty of it I like computers nonetheless, but I don't like to feel compelled to have one to take a picture. FWIW Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > The sad part of this "memorial system" is that it is going to be fancier > than my MAINLINE SYSTEM!!!!! While you guys are abandoning the OM system, > I'm actually migrating back towards it. Go figure... > > It's the lenses, folks, it's the lenses.... > > AG > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 03:45:55 2008 Received: (qmail 30310 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 01:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:45:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD93C2BFB; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE036C2CEF for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:45:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-57.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.57]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080816014540H04009dqsde>; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:45:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.57] Message-ID: <003601c8ff41$c9928900$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A576D2.1000006@verizon.net> Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:45:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 03:45:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a63153129741702588592 The definitive source may be: http://www.yashica-guy.com/document/battery.html I used a Duracell Lithium 28L 6volt battery and a Aluminum foil plug rolled by hand to shoot my Yashica GSN. I pulled a sping from a mini-flashlight to modify the battery chamber to maintain continuity. It woked well enough for print film. But I'm cheap as the day is long... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system > > I'm curious what battery goes in the Electro GT? > > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 03:50:06 2008 Received: (qmail 28144 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 01:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:50:05 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266F8C2D79; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:49:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:49:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8379DC2CDB for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:49:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12005 invoked by uid 504); 16 Aug 2008 01:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 01:49:53 -0000 Message-ID: <48A63241.5060707@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:49:53 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 03:50:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6324e183498512572685 My Miranda GT (circa 1968) had an interchangeable, real glass screen that I would guess was 5-6mm thick and all enclosed in a brass frame. Now there was a screen! Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > I wanted to respond to something in that article. Almost all 35mm SLR > cameras have used plastic focusing screens since the 1970's. The Olympus OM > screens are all plastic, even the oldest ones. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 04:34:45 2008 Received: (qmail 31060 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 02:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 02:34:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A1EC2B84; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:34:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:34:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1382C2B20 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:34:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50172 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KUBcY-0008GH-WX for olympus@ml.free.fr; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:34:27 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:34:19 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Thread-Index: Acj/SJVx1BPwHGs7Ed2QWAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <48A63241.5060707@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 04:34:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a63cc5170381702588592 The F Series Nikons (all but the F6) had their screens in thick frames like that too. The screen itself was relatively thin but it had a thick lens atop it to direct the light rays inward to prevent edge darkening. I don't know what the actual focusing screen is made from on those cameras. I suspect that the F4 and F5 were certainly plastic, the earlier ones could be glass. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 8/15/08 9:49 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > My Miranda GT (circa 1968) had an interchangeable, real glass screen > that I would guess was 5-6mm thick and all enclosed in a brass frame. > Now there was a screen! > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> I wanted to respond to something in that article. Almost all 35mm SLR >> cameras have used plastic focusing screens since the 1970's. The Olympus OM >> screens are all plastic, even the oldest ones. >> >> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 04:40:18 2008 Received: (qmail 168 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 02:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 02:40:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5EAC3108; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F14C2BB5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:40:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.1.238] (r190-135-1-238.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.1.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7G2e1ub012492 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:40:02 -0300 Message-ID: <48A63E0B.6080704@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:40:11 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software References: <000201c8f890$61805ac0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> In-Reply-To: <000201c8f890$61805ac0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 04:40:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a63e1289711823421471 Found this ... wonder if it suits your need. I may give this one a try too - hadn't enough time to try Nero. http://www.photo-to-dvd.com/dvd-slideshow-builder.html cheers, Fernando. Wayne Harridge wrote: > Thanks all for the input on this, I downloaded Picasa and I already had Nero > (came with a DVD drive purchase). Nero seemed a bit more intuitive to me so > I probably use that unless I find some problem with it. I built a slideshow > with about 60 images as a trial and it seems to do the job. > > ...Wayne > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of John Hermanson >> Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2008 9:58 PM >> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [OM] Re: Slideshow software >> >> >> >> These will play back on home dvd players. >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> Aside of the price issue, would Nero 8 be able to do so ?. >>> Found: Nero StartSmart > Create and Edit > Make Photo Slide Show > >>> Nero >>> Vision 5 > Make Slide Shoe, with too much options. >>> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 04:42:34 2008 Received: (qmail 30498 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 02:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 02:42:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFDAC2B4A; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFEFC3175 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:42:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.75]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 76B14358BQ for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf01.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:42:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: [OM]Days with mt father was: flickr alternative Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:41:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: [OM]Days with mt father was: flickr alternative Thread-Index: Acj/MoBb1EY0n9qSQYiCr+1DfeKVEwAFyORd References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <2C7F08E2-E971-4C96-B8C4-6CD5287B0821@people.net.au> <48A6178F.8050006@adinet.com.uy> From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2008 02:42:21.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4F575E0:01C8FF49] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 04:42:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a63e9a183431993019900 An amazing site. Amazing imagery in thought and photos. ________________________________ From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr on behalf of Fernando Gonzalez Gentile Sent: Fri 8/15/2008 4:55 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: [OM]Days with mt father was: flickr alternative Indeed - proper link is: http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/ but it loads slowly. hundreds of thoughts went tru' my mind Fernando (I frequently see people suffering Dementia, the boundaries of not existing as self ... ) Andrew Fildes wrote: > Had trouble getting it going until I replaced the terminal o with a 1. > Exqusite, painful and quite wonderful. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 16/08/2008, at 7:51 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > >> BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: >> >> http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o >> >> >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. 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He is 83 and has Alzheimer's. It makes me so sad to see him now, especially when I look at photos I made of him years ago when he was so healthy and happy. I have been photographing grandpa since I was about 15. I am 32 now. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 8/15/08 10:41 PM, "Timpe, Jim" wrote: > > An amazing site. Amazing imagery in thought and photos. > > ________________________________ > > From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr on behalf of Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > Sent: Fri 8/15/2008 4:55 PM > To: olympus@ml.free.fr > Subject: [OM] Re: [OM]Days with mt father was: flickr alternative > > > > > Indeed - proper link is: > > http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/ > > but it loads slowly. > > hundreds of thoughts went tru' my mind > > Fernando > > (I frequently see people suffering Dementia, the boundaries of not > existing as self ... ) > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Had trouble getting it going until I replaced the terminal o with a 1. >> Exqusite, painful and quite wonderful. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 16/08/2008, at 7:51 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >> >>> BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: >>> >>> http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > > > > This message (including any attachments) contains confidential > and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. > Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > constitute a violation of law. 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Message-ID: <20080816032317.GA11164@rocket.omega.apdata.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.062 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: davidt@omega.apdata.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 05:23:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6483731511257536491 On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:36:30AM -0700, Scott Peden wrote: > > I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size in bulk. > > I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship soccer's games > in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. > > Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out afterwards > they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised as free. If you have some scripting skills, I vote for ImageMagick. A little harder to learn up front, but VERY powerful. However, it is command line driven (which may, or may not, be a good thing, depending on your views :) ). I found it was very easy to resize a handful of images such that the longest side was a maximum of 800 pixels. To batch process you will need to be able to write a loop int he command-line language of your OS. It's available for *N*X, Mac & Windoze... http://www.imagemagick.org/ davidt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 05:58:49 2008 Received: (qmail 25495 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 03:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 03:58:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C06C33E2; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0AC3742 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:58:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1669410C37EE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:58:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LS9TTiAAYHKs for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BA810C37DF for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:58:32 -0700 References: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 05:58:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a65079278917927319144 > From: Chris Barker > > I, too, use Aperture almost exclusively, Rob, but it doesn't > catalogue your files for you; you have to import them. Doesn't Aperture have a "hot folder" that it automatically catalogues? I've not used it, but I'm pretty sure I saw it there somewhere. Or perhaps it was a free plugin I installed and never used. I'm playing with a slick new plugin, Maperture, which tags your images with location when you feed it a GPS track log. Combine that with one of these newfangled GPS USP dongles that run for a week or so on a couple AAA cells... won't be long before GPS is built into cameras. :::: To redirect technology so that it serves man instead of destroying him requires primarily an effort of the imagination and an abandonment of fear. -- EF Schumaker :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.EcoReality.org:::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 06:10:11 2008 Received: (qmail 11154 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 04:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 04:10:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB84C34CD; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D71C2EE4 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:09:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC6310C39FB for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RIlb1KjvVNK9 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CD310C39EC for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:09:56 -0700 References: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 06:10:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a65323326291023412894 > From: John Hudson > > The auto focus and manual focusing mechanisms just do not seem to > measure up > when using the film cameras as a base against which to measure the > results. I'm really happy with the 12-60 manual focus. I never much cared for "focus by wire" on the other E lenses, but (IMHO) they got it right on the 12-60. > What is really missed is the split image accuracy... Personally, I never cared for split images. I find they distract from composition, and too often enticed me to centre my composition. The first thing I'd do with any OM body I got would be to put a matte grid screen in it. Then I found my composition would come back. > Also, when will the E cameras come out with a version that does away > with > the part second delay between pressing the exposure button and > "exposing the > film"? I've had a lot of disappointments caused by this delay. I think they've done it in the E-3. I don't know much about your E-500 and E-510 machines, but comparing them to the E-3 is like comparing an OM-G with an OM-4T. With the 12-60, focus and exposure seem nearly instantaneous -- even more so in manual focus. It seems unfair that you're comparing the flagship film product (OM-4T) with a second-tier digital product (E-500/510). Try the E-3 with the 12-60. You'll like it. :::: We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using nature's inexhaustible sources of energy - sun, wind and tide. I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. -- Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931) :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 06:36:24 2008 Received: (qmail 14192 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 04:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 04:36:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EC0C3187; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:36:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:36:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613E3C3180 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:36:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1606791wfd.5 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:36:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=20zJWPIC/6P2/PHcsrkN21LY2ODNYs4ALkD4S7ohYWQ=; b=GTRb8wnb7VzeY6lQE6fXAzpe7cXtm34/snBuOIA2iQ7f0+IQICrFDcOFikVnBZ5Wz9 F91sv7/spuK0lyO9npSzgaUBmFcnap7JThPYmgmjqselcfFThjH6lyTKjb2e2Hzu++kz ZCAUBnK7ZNUJh7WZvQGmG3XNeYxMgNzM5Gbzs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZlMoDckIdtzMdLh28nDvxWvslRVf5Afw5n8C1hbNhYwdIZLvQEZk+jMEu3WVxwIr0+ VFIHyRYDu+CSeW725JPwGrlN0y4IZuPcS6y0QAXaXNBD0S0AlurwCHDP70Z7pViw4ZRg uhnQAWNNmTNQMmCLgagQzQp7bmaye7R6DqT+g= Received: by 10.142.186.9 with SMTP id j9mr1245000wff.348.1218861371211; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm8607174wfg.0.2008.08.15.21.36.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A65932.6040402@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:36:02 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture References: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 06:36:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6594829041744846740 Jan Steinman wrote: > ... > won't be long before GPS is built into cameras. Not long, indeed: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0808/08080702nikonp6000.asp (I don't think it's the first though, as I thought I'd seen at least one other with it prior. Maybe a Kodak? A Ricoh?) Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 06:58:25 2008 Received: (qmail 13334 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 04:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 04:58:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2081C32C3; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330D1C32CD for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7G4wBnv017554 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <20080816032317.GA11164@rocket.omega.apdata.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20080816032317.GA11164@rocket.omega.apdata.com.au> Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:58:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Acj/T3MuVq8SVywpTLm2umo46NgwvgADNCQg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 06:58:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a65e7110331529615919 I can barely use a pen to script my name....... Thanks though! -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of David Thatcher Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:23 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: FREE file size reducer? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:36:30AM -0700, Scott Peden wrote: > > I've been trying to find a free program that will reduce file size in bulk. > > I mistakenly shot 600 pictures of my daughters championship soccer's games > in SHQ and want to reduce file size to 1MB. > > Any free programs out there? I down loaded 3 and then found out afterwards > they'll only do 5 unless I buy them, where they had been advertised as free. If you have some scripting skills, I vote for ImageMagick. A little harder to learn up front, but VERY powerful. However, it is command line driven (which may, or may not, be a good thing, depending on your views :) ). I found it was very easy to resize a handful of images such that the longest side was a maximum of 800 pixels. To batch process you will need to be able to write a loop int he command-line language of your OS. It's available for *N*X, Mac & Windoze... http://www.imagemagick.org/ davidt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 07:07:53 2008 Received: (qmail 9850 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 05:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 05:07:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BBC2F2B; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7E2C27F5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w15.irbs.net (w15.irbs.net [205.237.194.59]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B58723E502 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-71-105-141-243.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net (pool-71-105-141-243.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.105.141.243]) by webmail.tuffmail.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:07:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20080815220740.v096ej2uosooscos@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:07:40 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system References: <6F016624229948EB8565D547878EBDBC@jimnichols> <549B0A8B4F3E4CD5B850901933D14A0E@Alaisdairthree> <1218420567.15032.4.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> <6CE267DAA2D9478AB89C1116A149B724@Alaisdairthree> <000001c8fe39$d257cea0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> <48A47D40.2090304@gmail.com> <48A62D35.6080907@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A62D35.6080907@adinet.com.uy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 07:07:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a660a9227481234514069 Hear! Hear!, Amen! I totally agree with Fernando. And, like Ken, I am just now building up my Om1n system! But, I understand, to each his own, some like digital, some like analog. I just happen to like the simplicity of focus, read the light, set the aperture, set the shutter speed, press the button. I guess I'm just old fashioned. However, I also love computers. I just happen to like simple cameras. FWIW, Jerry Quoting Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : Fernando Gonzalez Gentile once said: > > Well, most probably for different reasons than yours I refuse to move > out the OM system. This, as long as film is manufactured. > Go figure, just bought my first OM 4 body. > > I don't like the idea that a photograph must need a computer. > A photograph should exist by itself, as a material object. > An almost simple chemical reaction. > > They may be digitized if one needs to do it. > It certainly may improve the original but complexity grows; the more > complex, the more likely to fail at some point (cost? reliability?). > > Waiting for Monday to come, to go buying another 20 rolls of Provia 100F > while available. > Film supply (color reversal film, that is) is critical in this small city. > But I could get accustomed to brazilian Fujicolor C41, it's plenty of it > > I like computers nonetheless, but I don't like to feel compelled to have > one to take a picture. > > FWIW > > Fernando. > > Ken Norton wrote: >> The sad part of this "memorial system" is that it is going to be fancier >> than my MAINLINE SYSTEM!!!!! While you guys are abandoning the OM system, >> I'm actually migrating back towards it. Go figure... >> >> It's the lenses, folks, it's the lenses.... >> >> AG >> >> >> >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > One Happy Snapper, jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 07:55:24 2008 Received: (qmail 8384 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 05:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 05:55:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD81DC339B; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8CFC2CB5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB1746169D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:08:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:55:12 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 07:55:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a66bcc146989117217770 That looks like a fun trip, Gord. But it's all a bit confusing without some sort of commentary. Oh, and I think that I might have enjoyed anywhere in the world with 3 pretty girls, even if one had been my daughter :-) Chris On 15 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Gordon Ross wrote: > > Here is the address for my Africa photos- I have not edited them > other than some shadow control. They are time lined and represent a > running log of the 6 weeks I backpacked there. This is not meant to > be a presentation as it is the bulk of what I actually shot. What I > used- Olympus 1030SW (very happy with it btw), and Nik*n D200 with > 11-22, 18-200VR and 70-300VR lenses. > > http://gallery.me.com/gordross ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 08:10:55 2008 Received: (qmail 14758 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 06:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 06:10:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D430C2DAB; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211DDC31A5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0A04616B2 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:24:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:10:42 +0100 References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 08:10:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a66f6f259181234514069 Thanks, Fernando, that was great. I didn't find it too difficult, although it was very thoughtful and absorbing. You see, I have just done a short tour of the D-Day beaches in Normandy. Now that's not for the faint of heart. In the Café Gondrée, at Pegasus Bridge on the River Orne, I read a poem by the wife of a soldier who was killed at the short battle for Pegasus Bridge (these airborne troops were the first into France for Operation Overlord). It was very sweet and touching. I had to go outside away from my students. There were several occasions like that during the week as we toured the beaches and heard of the heroism of all those boys ... Chris On 15 Aug 2008, at 22:51, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > Thanks a lot Mike - shall see how it works. Looks quite elegant. > Sending this Cc because still don't know if my posting reaches the > list. > > BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: > > http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o > > Fernando. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 08:13:21 2008 Received: (qmail 25841 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 06:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 06:13:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAD5C33AB; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636EBC333C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7BD4616B2 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:26:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <8E94BEA5-475B-4283-96A5-0B25B3327778@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:13:08 +0100 References: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 08:13:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a67001308542070262475 Thanks, Jan, I'll have a look. The latest Nikon compact, the P6000, has GPS ... Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 04:58, Jan Steinman wrote: > > Doesn't Aperture have a "hot folder" that it automatically catalogues? > I've not used it, but I'm pretty sure I saw it there somewhere. Or > perhaps it was a free plugin I installed and never used. > > I'm playing with a slick new plugin, Maperture, which tags your images > with location when you feed it a GPS track log. Combine that with one > of these newfangled GPS USP dongles that run for a week or so on a > couple AAA cells... won't be long before GPS is built into cameras. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 08:18:09 2008 Received: (qmail 19920 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 06:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 06:18:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B71C2ED9; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pd2mo1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B0CC2EB0 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pd2ml1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.139]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2008 00:17:55 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=1lYyGBoDbBEmxnryMNgA:9 a=qH3PKdiBAlnuV55xXRAA:7 a=fLjt0HfOdOZJpvs8j3z0gNPSjIoA:4 Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.1.193]) ([68.146.102.99]) by pd2ml1so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2008 00:17:55 -0600 Message-Id: <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> From: Gordon Ross To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:17:55 -0600 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: gordross@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 08:18:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a67121110563675314703 You are right twice Chris-- the girls were pretty and I need to detail and shorten the pics- I just threw that up for now. We started in Durban and rented that little Ford Ikon driving the 'Garden Route" to Cape Town so what you are seeing first is Indian Ocean - hole in the wall, Port Elizabeth, Jefferies Bay, Tsitsikams Falls (zip-lining) Cape Agulas (whale watching) Cape of Good Hope (lighthouse) Coffee Bay then Cape Town (table mtn,. townships etc). Then we flew to Lusaka, Zambia - walked the city and then bussed to Livingstone where we white water rafted the Zambesi - walked and helicoptered Victoria Falls then bussed to Moen, Botswana where we camped with the crocodile and rode dugout canoes through the swamp to an island where we did walking safaris - then off ro Gabarone where we did city stuff - then off to Kruger wher I got the lions stalking the pregnant giraffe and the big event 7 lions running down 30 water buffalo and saw the big five all in one day- my birthday! We left Kruger to Johannesburg and Pretoria then headed to Swaziland where we toured a cultural village , were entertained and danced and then off to Durban. 6 weeks of two days everywhere in backpackers and tents - from fine dining to gruel north of the Kalahari- it was an amazing adventure. I have to post the white water rafting and ziplining shots yet. I must say that I like the format and useability of the 'mobileme' website - its pretty good. Gord On 15-Aug-08, at 11:55 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > That looks like a fun trip, Gord. But it's all a bit confusing > without some sort of commentary. > > Oh, and I think that I might have enjoyed anywhere in the world with 3 > pretty girls, even if one had been my daughter :-) > > Chris > > On 15 Aug 2008, at 16:13, Gordon Ross wrote: > >> >> Here is the address for my Africa photos- I have not edited them >> other than some shadow control. They are time lined and represent a >> running log of the 6 weeks I backpacked there. This is not meant to >> be a presentation as it is the bulk of what I actually shot. What I >> used- Olympus 1030SW (very happy with it btw), and Nik*n D200 with >> 11-22, 18-200VR and 70-300VR lenses. >> >> http://gallery.me.com/gordross > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 09:14:55 2008 Received: (qmail 9137 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 07:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 07:14:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CEBC321F; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 584BEC358C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:14:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7869 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 07:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 07:14:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:14:36 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 09:14:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a67e6f112905368819438 Why? They should know. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 16/08/2008, at 4:10 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I had to go outside away from my students. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 09:22:29 2008 Received: (qmail 22848 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 07:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 07:22:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AB7C2CAB; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E0AC2B54 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21580 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 07:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.164.12) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 07:22:16 -0000 Message-ID: <48A68025.8040600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:22:13 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 09:22:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a68035204551993019900 Jan Steinman wrote: >> Also, when will the E cameras come out with a version that does away >> with >> the part second delay between pressing the exposure button and >> "exposing the >> film"? I've had a lot of disappointments caused by this delay. >> > > I think they've done it in the E-3. I don't know much about your E-500 and E-510 machines, but comparing them to the E-3 is like comparing an OM-G with an OM-4T. With the 12-60, focus and exposure seem nearly instantaneous -- even more so in manual focus. > > It seems unfair that you're comparing the flagship film product (OM-4T) with a second-tier digital product (E-500/510). Try the E-3 with the 12-60. You'll like it. > Careful Jan, we're in agreement here, and have both put it in writing. What will people think? ;-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 09:24:45 2008 Received: (qmail 6134 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 07:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 07:24:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE192C3473; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:24:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 26BC2C339B for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9556 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 07:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 07:24:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:24:28 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 09:24:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a680bd67671257536491 Does that make you an Ikonoclast? #0053 - one of the best 'tree growing out of head' shots I've seen in a while! :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 16/08/2008, at 4:17 PM, Gordon Ross wrote: > We started in Durban and rented that little Ford Ikon ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 09:51:34 2008 Received: (qmail 7894 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 07:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 07:51:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE67C2987; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A964C2AA6 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7110 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 07:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.174.253) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 07:51:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:51:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Africa References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 09:51:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a68706118858512572685 Gordon Ross wrote: > You are right twice Chris-- the girls were pretty and I need to detail and shorten the pics- I just threw that up for now. > > ... > > I must say that I like the format and useability of the 'mobileme' website - its pretty good. > It's nice looking, but has a few issues from my perspective, some of which are probably correctable in Preferences, or some such place. In FireFox and IE, all the images are resized from whatever you uploaded to (886x665 in FF and 892x669 in IE on my machine/display). There is plenty of display room to display full size. In most cases, that means they have been downsized from 1024x768. I saw one that was upsized from a smaller size. There are two consequences. First, they are generally fuzzy looking, whereas if one views them outside the interface at full size, they are much sharper looking. This is a consequence of relying on quick, sloppy resizing algorithms that work on the fly as the image is loaded. IE does a better job of resizing than FireFox, creating sharper looking display images, but I think it may be slower to show the image. The images displayed by FF are really pretty bad. The second result is a consequence of the same issue. Because of the need to resize each image as it is displayed, it takes longer than necessary to display them. As I expected, Safari displays them full size, and thus more quickly. In all three browsers, the thumbnails are generated on the fly as each index page is opened. Very slow compared to gallery apps that create the thumbnails on the server when images are uploaded. Oops, I just looked at another image in FF, and it came up full size. All very random. I'll bet there is an option to force display to original size only. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 10:27:13 2008 Received: (qmail 15537 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 08:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 08:27:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE3AC34D9; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:27:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:27:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F457C2E2D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25406 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 08:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.170.113) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 08:26:55 -0000 Message-ID: <48A68F38.1040907@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:26:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 10:27:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a68f60274281591313764 Tom Fenwick wrote: > Looks pretty good... And the free 100 photos is enough for a good portfolio if it allows a reasonable amount of flexibility. I will investigate. Something much closer to a personal website than flickr or pbase would be > fun - especially for nothing! > Certainly appears to create nice, pro looking pages. Hard to tell what it's like to use without trying it. Some interfaces are really a pain, awkward menu structures, slow, etc. Gallery 2, for example, can make perfectly nice galleries, but drives me a little crazy to use. There have been others with that problem, but I forget the names. It isn't clear from the demos whether ViewBook has an option to display EXIF info. Because of the audience I post many images to, I like to be able to do that. The 100 image limit would catch up with me quickly. :-) As soon as you go over, it's $12/mo. One GB of space on IDCSoft.com, and I'm sure other providers, is $6/per month. With one's own web space, all sorts of control and options open up - and no ads, etc. So for one with lots of images and a free gallery creator, that's a cheaper option. I find myself using Singapore more and more. It looks nice, with several different templates available, and is easy to use as a viewer. Tossing either an image or a new gallery up on the web with it is amazingly quick and easy. The Singapore admin interface isn't bad, but I use CoffeeCup FreeFTP to simply drag and drop files from Windoze Explorer in to the web directories. With some additions to the modified .php file Dan Mitchell provided, I get great EXIF display, including FF eq. focal lengths. Another cool thing for me is the ability to add labels, descriptions, etc. offline, without those annoying little delays as screens display. If you go into admin and make one little change, like giving a gallery or photo a name other than the directory or file name, Singapore writes a little .csv file. I download that and fill in the details in Excel, where you can very quickly annotate, reorder, etc. Insertng extra breaks controls the line breaks in the information display. Several images with the same info for a field? Just copy it instantly. Upload the modified file, reload the page, and it's all done. By far the quickest, easiest way to display image galleries that I've tried. JAlbum is cool and free. I particularly like the way it sets everything up on my computer, then can upload the finished gallery on its own, with no separate FTP app. Again, it avoids all those screnn display delays of creating a gallery on line. But I find myself using Singapore. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 10:29:26 2008 Received: (qmail 22840 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 08:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 08:29:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51722C310D; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7E0C3231 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:29:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26413 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 08:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.170.113) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 08:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <48A68FC5.7010907@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:28:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Africa References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 10:29:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a68fe6220771234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Does that make you an Ikonoclast? > Not if the car was in one piece when returned to the rental agency. Unless an example of a certain like of vintage Zeiss camera was destroyed. Literal Minded Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 10:34:11 2008 Received: (qmail 30778 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 08:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 08:34:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55020C2B6B; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E0C2D72 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:33:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7G8XlNq025380 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:33:55 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:33:44 +1000 Message-ID: <001d01c8ff7a$cc1154c0$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 In-Reply-To: <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 thread-index: Acj/VGP+s0bx88S5QNCSwHU/ZSKAEgAJirwg Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 10:34:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6910368451234514069 > > I'm playing with a slick new plugin, Maperture, which tags > your images > with location when you feed it a GPS track log. Combine that > with one > of these newfangled GPS USP dongles that run for a week or so on a > couple AAA cells... won't be long before GPS is built into cameras. > It's been there a long time, e.g. Kodak DCS-330 circa 2000 (though it was an option didn't come standard). ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 10:46:02 2008 Received: (qmail 10306 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 08:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 08:46:01 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A428DC2B11; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:45:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:45:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEF0C2832 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1078 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 08:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.174.72) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 08:43:06 -0000 Message-ID: <48A692E4.3030801@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:42:12 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 10:46:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a693ca261991946193717 usher99@aol.com wrote: > ... > > Moose and Chuck hit the nail on the head a usual.? I ran across an article which I excerpted below on focussing screens and manual focus: > Thanks for the info, a nice write-up. Now for something to chew on. Why is a view screen needed at all? Why not focus on the aerial image as do microscopes and telescopes? The answer shouldn't too tough to figure out. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 10:48:29 2008 Received: (qmail 16881 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 08:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 08:48:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D34C2D8E; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309ACC27BA for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50923 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KUHSI-0004Qf-Vh for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:48:15 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:48:13 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Thread-Index: Acj/fNElD3KpfWtwEd2FkgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <48A692E4.3030801@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 10:48:29 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6945d309641585427447 Hard to do when shooting fast, as in photojournalism and wildlife photography. With newer 35s and digital cameras I guess you could use AF for that stuff, but arial focusing isn't really easy even with still subject matter.....it is probably a lot more accurate though than groundglass focusing. -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 8/16/08 4:42 AM, "Moose" wrote: > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> ... >> >> Moose and Chuck hit the nail on the head a usual.? I ran across an article >> which I excerpted below on focussing screens and manual focus: >> > Thanks for the info, a nice write-up. > > Now for something to chew on. Why is a view screen needed at all? Why > not focus on the aerial image as do microscopes and telescopes? > > The answer shouldn't too tough to figure out. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 11:02:05 2008 Received: (qmail 1094 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 09:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 09:02:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B2EC33AD; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33531C3365 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:01:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12151 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 09:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.166.186) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 09:01:33 -0000 Message-ID: <48A6976A.5000103@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:01:30 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 11:02:05 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6978d300425368819438 Chris Crawford wrote: > The F Series Nikons (all but the F6) had their screens in thick frames like that too. The screen itself was relatively thin but it had a thick lens atop it to direct the light rays inward to prevent edge darkening. I don't know what the actual focusing screen is made from on those cameras. I suspect that the F4 and F5 were certainly plastic, the earlier ones could be glass. > The one on an F2 is clearly plastic, and the lens on top also appears to be plastic. I've got one or two earlier ones for the original F sitting in little boxes somewhere, but just where... Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 11:45:53 2008 Received: (qmail 7147 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 09:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 09:45:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F816C3651; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:45:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:45:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD4EC3971 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E8FC97CC for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:00:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <539BEEBE-0EE3-460F-B7A9-64C234252A73@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:45:17 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 11:45:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6a1d1193581234514069 It is, but 0129 is a great shot: the blonde, the beach, the huge cliff and the trees framing ... It could probably do with a bit of Levels adjustment though. Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 08:24, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Does that make you an Ikonoclast? > #0053 - one of the best 'tree growing out of head' shots I've seen in > a while! :-) > Andrew Fildes ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 12:09:38 2008 Received: (qmail 5514 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 10:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 10:09:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAFBC369D; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:09:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:09:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464DFC363C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F6FC97BB for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:24:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:09:22 +0100 References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 12:09:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6a762310581470116606 Yes, you're right, but I feel too old to feel daft. Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 08:14, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Why? They should know. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 16/08/2008, at 4:10 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> I had to go outside away from my students. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:06:35 2008 Received: (qmail 32026 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:06:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8293CC3247; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:06:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:06:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DECC3908 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:06:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32564 invoked by uid 504); 16 Aug 2008 11:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 11:06:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48A6B4AC.2080808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:06:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A68F38.1040907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A68F38.1040907@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:06:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6b4bb211582070262475 Got a link for "Singapore"? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Tom Fenwick wrote: >> Looks pretty good... And the free 100 photos is enough for a good portfolio if it allows a reasonable amount of flexibility. I will investigate. Something much closer to a personal website than flickr or pbase would be >> fun - especially for nothing! >> > Certainly appears to create nice, pro looking pages. Hard to tell what > it's like to use without trying it. Some interfaces are really a pain, > awkward menu structures, slow, etc. Gallery 2, for example, can make > perfectly nice galleries, but drives me a little crazy to use. There > have been others with that problem, but I forget the names. > > It isn't clear from the demos whether ViewBook has an option to display > EXIF info. Because of the audience I post many images to, I like to be > able to do that. > > The 100 image limit would catch up with me quickly. :-) As soon as > you go over, it's $12/mo. One GB of space on IDCSoft.com, and I'm sure > other providers, is $6/per month. With one's own web space, all sorts of > control and options open up - and no ads, etc. So for one with lots of > images and a free gallery creator, that's a cheaper option. > > I find myself using Singapore more and more. It looks nice, with several > different templates available, and is easy to use as a viewer. Tossing > either an image or a new gallery up on the web with it is amazingly > quick and easy. The Singapore admin interface isn't bad, but I use > CoffeeCup FreeFTP to simply drag and drop files from Windoze Explorer in > to the web directories. > > With some additions to the modified .php file Dan Mitchell provided, I > get great EXIF display, including FF eq. focal lengths. > > Another cool thing for me is the ability to add labels, descriptions, > etc. offline, without those annoying little delays as screens display. > If you go into admin and make one little change, like giving a gallery > or photo a name other than the directory or file name, Singapore writes > a little .csv file. I download that and fill in the details in Excel, > where you can very quickly annotate, reorder, etc. Insertng extra breaks > controls the line breaks in the information display. Several images with > the same info for a field? Just copy it instantly. Upload the modified > file, reload the page, and it's all done. > > By far the quickest, easiest way to display image galleries that I've > tried. JAlbum is cool and free. I particularly like the way it sets > everything up on my computer, then can upload the finished gallery on > its own, with no separate FTP app. Again, it avoids all those screnn > display delays of creating a gallery on line. But I find myself using > Singapore. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:10:50 2008 Received: (qmail 9982 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:10:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04532C33BE; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:10:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3FFC368C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7FAC979D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:25:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:10:36 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:10:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6b5ba311241585427447 Hmm, I think you're right, Moose. If you have a moment to spare, have a look at mine (only around 10 pics!) at http://gallery.me.com/zuiko I am not sure, but it looks as if you start to get pixellation if you look at it on a large monitor, such that the uploaded image's pixel dimensions are exceeded by the display's size. Mine's 1920 x 1260 or something, a 24" iMac. Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 08:51, Moose wrote: > Gordon Ross wrote: >> You are right twice Chris-- the girls were pretty and I need to >> detail and shorten the pics- I just threw that up for now. >> >> ... >> >> I must say that I like the format and useability of the 'mobileme' >> website - its pretty good. >> > It's nice looking, but has a few issues from my perspective, some of > which are probably correctable in Preferences, or some such place. > > In FireFox and IE, all the images are resized from whatever you > uploaded > to (886x665 in FF and 892x669 in IE on my machine/display). There is > plenty of display room to display full size. In most cases, that means > they have been downsized from 1024x768. I saw one that was upsized > from > a smaller size. There are two consequences. First, they are generally > fuzzy looking, whereas if one views them outside the interface at full > size, they are much sharper looking. This is a consequence of > relying on > quick, sloppy resizing algorithms that work on the fly as the image is > loaded. IE does a better job of resizing than FireFox, creating > sharper > looking display images, but I think it may be slower to show the > image. > The images displayed by FF are really pretty bad. > > The second result is a consequence of the same issue. Because of the > need to resize each image as it is displayed, it takes longer than > necessary to display them. As I expected, Safari displays them full > size, and thus more quickly. > > In all three browsers, the thumbnails are generated on the fly as each > index page is opened. Very slow compared to gallery apps that create > the > thumbnails on the server when images are uploaded. > > Oops, I just looked at another image in FF, and it came up full size. > All very random. I'll bet there is an option to force display to > original size only. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:18:19 2008 Received: (qmail 2166 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6038C2BAC; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05656C2F10 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1745536wfd.5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:18:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sl1qf/jdP7v2J26FdFPDOOMJACfVlbmEx9yTy7seF7k=; b=otPUDTQsK8q1bmch3SNEovrTc1flPf0hX+Zov8izgQ+NEHaNE+5KUmzZZxRexEYwMp ebrsUpkKzCh8ksWXhk9Dt9UEnyqfanZBHw7wkVMpVJGt5IL4R8GGRqUjpURXMWkHAyvw 7LDdFx4z1rrKjKnzxk5XVvcdEzs8rm0V2BOtk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pMnCZp70P6IWj3PF6gO6azkGakybM4+perHws4KVFUdW6coi9GoIQHlSWGGyXlt1Ty VyIxiV5VF8atHyatO3Ni5o7NjgV8CXnE9QOXPDac8SfMEo4K5AopDLSlKqeVZxMVRk7Y 8XW7Fotc6mDUEaAwpNqntE38+zCtFuQNI6c7g= Received: by 10.142.135.16 with SMTP id i16mr1342095wfd.286.1218885485054; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm133088wfd.7.2008.08.16.04.18.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A6B763.4070202@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:17:55 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A68F38.1040907@gmail.com> <48A6B4AC.2080808@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A6B4AC.2080808@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:18:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6b77b141151869477228 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Got a link for "Singapore"? http://www.sgal.org/ Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:19:04 2008 Received: (qmail 23754 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:19:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6917C368C; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:18:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:18:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EFEC3643 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4829 invoked by uid 504); 16 Aug 2008 11:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 11:18:51 -0000 Message-ID: <48A6B79B.2010409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:18:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> <48A692E4.3030801@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A692E4.3030801@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:19:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6b7a8228542070262475 In telescopes and binoculars the image is allowed to fall wherever it may and focus is accomplished by moving the eyepiece. To use the same system in a camera the focal plane would have to move (a lot) and also be physically tied to the eyepiece movement. Much simpler for both sets of optics to focus on a fixed position which is the view screen whose optical path from the body flange is the same distance as the film/sensor plane. The OM 1-9 type screen for endoscope use is a clear screen but it can only be used with an endoscope attached since no focusing is required. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> ... >> >> Moose and Chuck hit the nail on the head a usual.? I ran across an article which I excerpted below on focussing screens and manual focus: >> > Thanks for the info, a nice write-up. > > Now for something to chew on. Why is a view screen needed at all? Why > not focus on the aerial image as do microscopes and telescopes? > > The answer shouldn't too tough to figure out. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:28:38 2008 Received: (qmail 8072 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:28:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952A9C3D9D; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:28:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:28:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C37C39B2 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:28:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8409 invoked by uid 504); 16 Aug 2008 11:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 11:28:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48A6B9D8.3040505@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:28:24 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A68F38.1040907@gmail.com> <48A6B4AC.2080808@chucknorcutt.com> <48A6B763.4070202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A6B763.4070202@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:28:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6b9e6164105368819438 Oh, dear! Turns out I already had it and had forgotten about it. Too much other stuff to do in the next few weeks so I hope I don't forget it again. Chuck Norcutt montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Got a link for "Singapore"? > > http://www.sgal.org/ > > Cheers, > Marc > Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:29:33 2008 Received: (qmail 5330 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:29:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C919BC3D6C; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:29:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:29:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E7EC3D2B for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:29:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1749635wfd.5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:29:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ky9QdOKOB3EVUwY2tA/KpFOGI9BIIxyJb6DGKHw2xRc=; b=VOQKLGNxhWlTeG9FNhKsPsz63X+P6XWEVhrfhrxBK/wtjoD1q6OsAzE3X1GMu/DC25 vCj8Y7dSkD24sacHUS12b92x+wxW63cQycr4Up7dNQd9TprG5+xBp8fYuL4kr+h3mj1X GfBKuJ5fYU3skNm1IUVG8qGYsp54X6q1/yjok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HpnaCc+OHHDk/5zZa7vdYkVDMTOm7O7PxlTAohM8REkOb/N9AQKGYfIrqt4aUDL4nI RBCc0uwcBgLrvOxD6l1Xc/UuOiduTdJ9bI+YqF1KsDFrMGtWUxsOdfgPysRL45TbbpWi umwQueOW6twcHIxw8AsKiaY6m3+bY0TIBVPfg= Received: by 10.142.164.10 with SMTP id m10mr1346454wfe.117.1218886160110; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm10553wff.18.2008.08.16.04.29.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A6BA07.2090104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:29:11 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Chris's photos (was: Africa) References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:29:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6ba1d217271234514069 Chris Barker wrote: > Hmm, I think you're right, Moose. If you have a moment to spare, have > a look at mine (only around 10 pics!) at http://gallery.me.com/zuiko > ... I know you didn't ask, but, I like the lines that make up the composition in this one, not to mention the textures in between and around them: http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100010/_8021623&bgcolor=black Again with the compositional elements, this one's nicely balanced: http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100017/_3090945&bgcolor=black In both cases I'd be considering some black and white manipulation, but, putting that aside, I wanted to mention that I quite liked these two...no, make it three, because I liked the cats too: http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100017/IMG_0429&bgcolor=black Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:31:15 2008 Received: (qmail 16471 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:31:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97164C369D; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD65C2BE3 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KUJzq-0005HZ-2W for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: <19010725.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Loudon To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? In-Reply-To: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Nabble-From: listadr@gmail.com References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: listadr@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:31:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6ba83209738512572685 There was another LL piece in which Nathan Myhrvold famously summarized: > In the case of the Canon G7, an excellent 10 megapixel point-n-shoot > camera (which I also use), it is diffraction limited at f/2. Yet the > minimum aperture on the camera is f/2.8. > The back-and-forth between Myhrvold and Charles Johnson, who wrote the original LL piece, is worth reading if you're interested in this sort of thing. Article here: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/Equivalent-Lenses.shtml -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Does-your-sensor-out-resolve-your-lens--tp18987302p19010725.html Sent from the Olympus Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:56:13 2008 Received: (qmail 3018 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:56:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDFDC3EB0; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:56:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:56:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 69BE2C3EE9 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:55:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12135 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 11:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:55:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:55:53 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:56:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6c05d35491234514069 You are never too old to be a sentimental old fart, especially with high level stimulus. I once wept quietly on a beach surrounded by ebullient 13 year olds - when they asked why, quite concerned, I choked 'The sunset...' For some reason it just got to me - probably the standard shcool excursion problem of several nights with little sleep. I've sobbed quietly in the Tate Modern and most recently in a cinema during 'La Vie en Rose' - from beginning to end. Hopeless. Billy Connelly once confessed he was similarly afflicted. I'm in good company. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 16/08/2008, at 8:09 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, you're right, but I feel too old to feel daft. > > Chris > > On 16 Aug 2008, at 08:14, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> >> Why? They should know. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 13:59:42 2008 Received: (qmail 19905 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 11:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 11:59:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BE1C38AA; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1707C3EDC for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:59:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1495153yxj.89 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:59:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=9Q4WoZwXHBvkFyAFe6Pa91R+HTvXUnGzDUEj8wBkGUs=; b=a1sQPUxIxeB8WdFJ00TDC6spJB5XM/7j5Dva3P3AMjaWFU+/7l3eq/xP+pkzFyX83P lj6OmVxNepJXG1JEoAHDI3Bvxo+qDDqJOlZPSp9KuKNrlHsYHV0D/24pwau0HCWmu4W4 QSa4g93U+AaD0raIpmhSRz2hUtOZlpXIAF4j8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; b=b+Yt4xhQ8bTXBCmdNAbX2Fpn2xpsXcceNiPKV9CHJRsxqFlMx+Aix5IYa5P9Z4YC/E wjJLQ6CIPcszA3UeWQKFZmPexJDKC1QmyDLF8qUt9TveJP7f55vCsSW1JoeNt3EN39HP aeb94R6PajUPk3jdL66j715eoVfit/uE/EkRI= Received: by 10.151.98.16 with SMTP id a16mr5741536ybm.202.1218887969343; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 ( [216.174.58.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h11sm3279103wxd.24.2008.08.16.04.59.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: References: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:59:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c8ff97$89aefbb0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> Thread-Index: Acj/O9yka7WA9X9mR9Kep4+EMukkNAAWtMaw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: daniel.sepke@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 13:59:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6c12e194911869477228 The E-3 only has one focusing screen option from Olympus, the grid "screen" is actually just an overlay. True focusing screen alternatives are bleak. Other than the Katz eye I have seen no other third party options. Even Katz Eye will not tell you how to change it out due apparently to a complex procedure. The lack of user changeable focus screens is something I miss from my E-1. I have a custom scribed headshot grid that I use to ensure that directory page pictures are easy to batch process. Dan S. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of usher99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Moose says: One of the problems with MF on DSLRs, at least small sensor ones, is that the finder screens are optimized for brightness over the ability to show focus accurately. Oly does offer an alternate screen for the E-3, but it is supposedly not user changeable and has no split image focusing aid. I suppose after market folks will expand on that. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 14:10:17 2008 Received: (qmail 26366 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 12:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 12:10:15 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B07CC356A; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:10:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:10:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAA9C3E7E for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289B84616B3 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:23:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <86EEE473-151A-4E89-A572-4429283E3D55@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A6BA07.2090104@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Chris's photos (was: Africa) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:10:01 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> <48A6BA07.2090104@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 14:10:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6c3a9133603675314703 Thanks for taking the time, Marc. And I'm always happy to receive comments. I do have a thing about the compositional elements of the first 2. Diagonals, vanishing points and "thirds' in the first one; the strangeness of the proportions between the figures and the building in the second. My son was playing at the Brightlingsea Music Fest when I took the first, so it's off spit at Brightlingsea. The second is near Moncarapacho in the Algarve, the third photo was in that little town. But I'm just fiddling around with MobileMe at the moment. Cheers Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 12:29, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> Hmm, I think you're right, Moose. If you have a moment to spare, >> have >> a look at mine (only around 10 pics!) at http://gallery.me.com/zuiko >> ... > > I know you didn't ask, but, I like the lines that make up the > composition in this one, not to mention the textures in between and > around them: > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100010/_8021623&bgcolor=black > > Again with the compositional elements, this one's nicely balanced: > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100017/_3090945&bgcolor=black > > In both cases I'd be considering some black and white manipulation, > but, > putting that aside, I wanted to mention that I quite liked these > two...no, make it three, because I liked the cats too: > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100017/IMG_0429&bgcolor=black ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 14:14:54 2008 Received: (qmail 24069 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 12:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 12:14:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D6EC3B8D; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026B2C3A3C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:14:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F094461709 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:28:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:14:41 +0100 References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 14:14:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6c4be177001591313764 Thanks, Andrew. I did speak to one of the students on the D-Day tour later and discovered that she had been similarly afflicted. And you might be interested in this list: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7544985.stm Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 12:55, Andrew Fildes wrote: > You are never too old to be a sentimental old fart, especially with > high level stimulus. > I once wept quietly on a beach surrounded by ebullient 13 year olds - > when they asked why, quite concerned, I choked 'The sunset...' > For some reason it just got to me - probably the standard shcool > excursion problem of several nights with little sleep. > I've sobbed quietly in the Tate Modern and most recently in a cinema > during 'La Vie en Rose' - from beginning to end. > Hopeless. Billy Connelly once confessed he was similarly afflicted. > I'm in good company. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 14:54:11 2008 Received: (qmail 2397 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 12:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 12:54:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881E3C40C8; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:53:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:53:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4645CC45FC for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:52:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19756 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 12:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 12:52:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:52:34 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 14:54:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6cdf3299057350615338 Ah, yes - the roar f a Merlin engine - that would get to you. Andrew Fildes (Irish airs, the welsh at Cardiff Arms Park, Edith Piaf, a student who did it tough coming back to say thanks when she succeeded brilliantly....oh I could go all night dammit). afildes@people.net.au On 16/08/2008, at 10:14 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > And you might be interested in this list: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7544985.stm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 15:29:13 2008 Received: (qmail 3867 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 13:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 13:29:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD49C33E8; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:29:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:29:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B7CC39D2 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28473 invoked by uid 504); 16 Aug 2008 13:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 13:28:59 -0000 Message-ID: <48A6D61B.20507@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:28:59 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <19010725.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <19010725.post@talk.nabble.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 15:29:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6d629128591073733319 Thanks. That's a great read. The two points I picked up that I hadn't previously considered is the effect of diffraction as a limiting factor on DOF and the effect of diffraction on color accuracy at high resolution. Also, the fact that the G7 is diffraction limited at f/2 means that the airy circle is spilling across pixels at any aperture. I wonder if downsizing the image to combine pixels at some level actually produces a better image. Moose's 12 MP Canon is probably a good test case. Chuck Norcutt Jim Loudon wrote: > > There was another LL piece in which Nathan Myhrvold famously summarized: > > >> In the case of the Canon G7, an excellent 10 megapixel point-n-shoot >> camera (which I also use), it is diffraction limited at f/2. Yet the >> minimum aperture on the camera is f/2.8. >> > > The back-and-forth between Myhrvold and Charles Johnson, who wrote the > original LL piece, is worth reading if you're interested in this sort of > thing. Article here: > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/Equivalent-Lenses.shtml > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 15:55:01 2008 Received: (qmail 6026 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 13:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 13:55:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D22C4188; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:54:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:54:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA4BC42FB for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:54:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720D8C95F3 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:09:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <813DFCA5-9AED-4D97-9008-7C3CDAA11316@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:53:46 +0100 References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 15:55:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6dc3423121838542571 Yes, a Merlin is just the best. But that chap mentioned the Deltic engine as well. The Napier Deltic was the 3-banked (Delta shape) engine in the diesel-electric locomotives in the UK a decade or 2 ago. It sounds really good. Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 13:52, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Ah, yes - the roar f a Merlin engine - that would get to you. > Andrew Fildes (Irish airs, the welsh at Cardiff Arms Park, Edith > Piaf, a student who did it tough coming back to say thanks when she > succeeded brilliantly....oh I could go all night dammit). ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 16:06:38 2008 Received: (qmail 13395 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 14:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 14:06:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B1AC3DBE; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com [129.196.250.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49853C3DD4 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com (dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com [172.29.152.76]) by dhrseasvgw03.danahermail.com (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 64E91C851G for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhrseasvxb04.messaging.danaherad.com ([172.29.152.79]) by dhrseasvxf02.messaging.danaherad.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:06:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:06:25 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <813DFCA5-9AED-4D97-9008-7C3CDAA11316@threeshoes.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Thread-Index: Acj/p61ymKF1/dCjR9mwIRUJ0iQN9wAAHmjg From: "Timpe, Jim" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2008 14:06:25.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[450A7BD0:01C8FFA9] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jim.Timpe@Fluke.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 16:06:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6deee58511073733319 Chris said; Yes, a Merlin is just the best. ............... It sounds really good. As a kid, the hydroplane races in town were a favorite summertime event. I'm talking late '50s and early '60s. All the boats used surplus WWII aircraft engines. Merlins, Allisons, Packards. And for a little extra kick coming out of corners, they had nitrous injection. House I grew up in is a good five or six miles (as the crow flies) from the race course, on Lake Washington. I could hear even a single boat at practice or qualifying from my back yard. Quite easily. To be at the races and see/HEAR seven or eight piston boats all approaching the start/finish line at full song.... Wow. They've made tremendous strides in design, safety, and reliability. Use surplus turbines now (I think predominantly from some helicopter application). They're fast, and they corner like there are rails in the water, but the sound. There's no comparison. Similarly, when I was in military tech school, I was privileged to see the AF Thunderbirds in one of their last performances while still flying F-4 phantoms. Four aircraft on the runway simultaneously lighting their afterburners up was another one of those great sounds. This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 16:16:48 2008 Received: (qmail 15693 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 14:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 14:16:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FBEC2E79; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:16:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:16:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798CDC398A for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:16:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080816141634.WDAS2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:16:34 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 32Ga1a0053Hz7l8022GagM; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:16:34 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c90028$cceb3bf0$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> <48A692E4.3030801@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:19:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 16:16:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6e150277261702588592 Why not focus on the aerial image as do microscopes and telescopes? The answer shouldn't too tough to figure out. Moose It's not, if you've ever used an aerial image screen on an slr. It's diffficullt if not impossible in some situations, and requires perfect alignment of eye and camera. Fast shooting is impossible. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 16:44:36 2008 Received: (qmail 21163 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 14:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 14:44:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F65C35F9; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from lily.dementia.org (LILY.DEMENTIA.ORG [128.2.120.205]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318FBC359C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (md@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lily.dementia.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m7GEiMct021965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:44:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:44:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Dapoz To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing In-Reply-To: <000001c8ff97$89aefbb0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> Message-ID: References: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> <000001c8ff97$89aefbb0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: md@dementia.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 16:44:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6e7d4180105368819438 On Sat, 16 Aug 2008, Daniel Sepke wrote: > > The E-3 only has one focusing screen option from Olympus, the grid "screen" > is actually just an overlay. True focusing screen alternatives are bleak. The FS-3 grid screen is an actual screen and not just an overlay. I just had one installed in my E-3 and I received my old E-3 screen in return (complete in an old OM style screen case :-). The original screen is completely blank and nothing more than a matte screen. I'm sure Olympus could come up with a screen that had some manual focusing aids on it if they wanted to. -mark. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 16:49:24 2008 Received: (qmail 4243 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 14:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 14:49:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258C7C32B7; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:49:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:49:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB678C3172 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:49:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE59AC97D3 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:04:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:48:57 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 16:49:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6e8f4290221234514069 Now you're talkin', Jim. I went to the Duxford Warbirds air show in 2005 with Gary Edwards, a former member of the List. We saw 13 Spitfires take off in a couple of minutes, followed by about 10 minutes of tailchasing above us. That was particularly stirring. Unfortunately a Fairey Firefly piled later in doing a low-level low- speed barrel roll, killing pilot and observer; a barrel roll is one of the most dangerous airshow manoeuvres in my opinion, as proven (again!) by the Typhoon at the Royal International Air Tatoo (RIAT), also in 2005. If you liked the sound of 4 pairs of burners lighting up, you should try being in one of the pair at the back when a 4-ship of Tornados runs up their engines all at once, the thumbs-up is passed to the leader up the formation from cockpit to cockpit from the No 4 and the leader gives the "go" (a head nod); the front 2 light their burners and leave the back pair shaking in the breeze ... ... ah, halcyon days! Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 15:06, Timpe, Jim wrote: > > Chris said; > > Yes, a Merlin is just the best. ............... It sounds really good. > > > As a kid, the hydroplane races in town were a favorite summertime > event. > I'm talking late '50s and early '60s. All the boats used surplus WWII > aircraft engines. Merlins, Allisons, Packards. And for a little > extra > kick coming out of corners, they had nitrous injection. House I > grew up > in is a good five or six miles (as the crow flies) from the race > course, > on Lake Washington. I could hear even a single boat at practice or > qualifying from my back yard. Quite easily. > To be at the races and see/HEAR seven or eight piston boats all > approaching the start/finish line at full song.... Wow. > > They've made tremendous strides in design, safety, and reliability. > Use > surplus turbines now (I think predominantly from some helicopter > application). They're fast, and they corner like there are rails in > the > water, but the sound. There's no comparison. > > Similarly, when I was in military tech school, I was privileged to see > the AF Thunderbirds in one of their last performances while still > flying > F-4 phantoms. Four aircraft on the runway simultaneously lighting > their > afterburners up was another one of those great sounds. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 17:13:17 2008 Received: (qmail 16301 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 15:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 15:13:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF5EC387A; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22297C3900 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:13:05 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OAsJTVvJkMqgmGHPWYTuR0aqcaJTt1ILaf2EIl/5UFG2Jp1H+JGajsB6dZmEI5UM; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.97.107] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KUNSh-00061o-SU for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:13:04 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008861615131881@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "olympus mailing list" Subject: [OM] Check out image at top of this page Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:13:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da94009ae7216269997ebbfcf98c8bff795b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.97.107 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 17:13:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6ee8d187081585427447 http://www.larson-ent.com/prod_cats.php I was checking out some products on this site and just happened to notice the background image at the top. You have to be quick as another image of their products goes over it pretty quick if you miss it just click to another page. jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 17:54:24 2008 Received: (qmail 7510 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 15:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 15:54:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F926C2C06; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:54:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:54:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFAFC2848 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:54:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KUO6S-00058j-Kk for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:54:08 +0000 Message-ID: <48A6F824.9080003@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:54:12 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Check out image at top of this page References: <380-22008861615131881@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22008861615131881@earthlink.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [217.155.39.109] X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@m93.myzen.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 17:54:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a6f83074511073733319 Downloaded the pic for a better look - http://archaeoimages.com/tmp/oly-pic.jpg OM-1 & 100/2.8 but not sure about the second lens... Martyn jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > http://www.larson-ent.com/prod_cats.php > I was checking out some products on this site and just happened to notice the background image at the top. You have to be quick as another image of their products goes over it pretty quick if you miss it just click to another page. > > > jgettis81@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 18:51:42 2008 Received: (qmail 19813 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 16:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 16:51:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07657C3573; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:51:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:51:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF5AC2E77 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:51:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D11B314163 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA7B314157 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:51:40 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080815-0, 08/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 18:51:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7059e214011342116753 > > Traveling 1,000 or 1,500 miles by > car is not unheard of for us but never anything like 10,000. Don't under estimate the size of the western states. We easily put on well over 1000 miles on our trips to eastern OR and that's from the neighboring state. And as western states go WA and OR are the runts. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 18:57:08 2008 Received: (qmail 23188 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 16:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 16:57:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327A9C2E68; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CE1C36C1 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:56:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721D3314157 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D51F31412C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A706E0.4000309@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:57:04 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080815-0, 08/15/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 18:57:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a706e4270402336821329 > > If you want a great pic of an eagle returning to its nest carrying a big > fish, you first spend time scouting out a nesting bird. Then you watch > to locate the route it takes back with food. Then climb something high > enough to provide a good angle, close enough for a good shot and hidden > enough to not cause the bird to change routes. Then wait..... > > Then, with luck, you get some good shots. > You hit the nail on the head Moose. I can add that while you are waiting those many hours the light is constantly changing. Your setup spot probably only has good light for 2-3 hours max which means coming back day after day. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 19:45:39 2008 Received: (qmail 6711 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375DDC3FEE; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:45:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2B4C2B8C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:45:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9982 invoked by uid 504); 16 Aug 2008 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 17:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: <48A7122C.60109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:45:16 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> <813DFCA5-9AED-4D97-9008-7C3CDAA11316@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <813DFCA5-9AED-4D97-9008-7C3CDAA11316@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 19:45:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a71243190402336821329 I was intrigued enough to look up the Napier Delta wondering how a 3-banked engine was designed. It not only has 3 banks but each cylinder sports two *opposing* pistons. Neat! A too close close-up view of the engine and a great simulation of the moving parts with real sound And what it's like trying to get those cold pistons moving. Probably needs some of Veggie Van Gogh's french fry oil. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, a Merlin is just the best. But that chap mentioned the Deltic > engine as well. The Napier Deltic was the 3-banked (Delta shape) > engine in the diesel-electric locomotives in the UK a decade or 2 > ago. It sounds really good. > > Chris > > On 16 Aug 2008, at 13:52, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Ah, yes - the roar f a Merlin engine - that would get to you. >> Andrew Fildes (Irish airs, the welsh at Cardiff Arms Park, Edith >> Piaf, a student who did it tough coming back to say thanks when she >> succeeded brilliantly....oh I could go all night dammit). > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 20:02:39 2008 Received: (qmail 5278 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 18:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 18:02:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255F2C3758; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD65FC39F5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:02:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so862075wah.17 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=tRwJdtMYT0q81Tg4R+bjrrK+Qd/b49QbptR3cu2qO9E=; b=kKA2fve8MBrHQ9GJ5rZJiiTN23AtB4P+BrVgb9rRxuwKKcQyvLcGTTZI3fyuNfo8JT SdKULkvbRcrW6/8qrI0XFFJN1SAG0C7QyMCRl+sfUrf4XZ6Sq0IBaZqa0QKcCQ1LmWt0 iUh9sAN/gahP8Em9Xh+diTAQZ/i+Oox23IbCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=cXVtfZVeDHW9Gn7SdSRkB3Y/meb6j45IsttH1JJijflgLjHXPMEugkLx8iXH8YMK+d 9wqp9eKdts5nibWlHTUBgaBBHYGYfNUXaW0EpIadTAU1DUI5SwiDqlEFYPBfGKYnZqCv xmD4rFuUzPlexBOp38vLdLqYv9+HpY4hyWYq0= Received: by 10.114.53.18 with SMTP id b18mr3767893waa.141.1218909742804; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? ( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm6606150waa.37.2008.08.16.11.02.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8612C26E-0B48-4D34-B294-83D4D3C986FB@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: engine sounds WAS Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:02:12 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 20:02:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7163e279877927319144 Ah, but there are still the vintage boats. We're just over the hill from the Hydro Pits (maybe 1/2 mile away as the crow flies), and during Seafair the sound of the boats is clearly audible. I love it. Of course, don't get me started on motorcycle engines.... That's why I can't seem to stay away from Ducatis--the luscious sound of the desmodromic valve train...yum. I've had four different bikes with the L-twin motor. At Mid-Ohio in 2001 or so, the sound of an early 1970- something Honda 750/4 (with four black straight megaphone mufflers) brought tears to my eyes, as did the Norton Manxes warming up for the singles race. Something about that raw, nasty brrrappp and then the burble on over-run... My SR-500 with a BSA GoldStar muffler produced a similar racket. Lovely. Rob in Seattle On Aug 16, 2008, at 7:06 AM, Timpe, Jim wrote: > House I grew up > in is a good five or six miles (as the crow flies) from the race > course, > on Lake Washington. I could hear even a single boat at practice or > qualifying from my back yard. Quite easily. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 20:05:41 2008 Received: (qmail 2148 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 18:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 18:05:40 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B55C380A; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:05:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:05:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651B7C2B56 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:05:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3003A46170B for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:19:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <8E763961-072A-440F-A0DA-BCFE8AC1137E@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A7122C.60109@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:05:27 +0100 References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> <813DFCA5-9AED-4D97-9008-7C3CDAA11316@threeshoes.net> <48A7122C.60109@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 20:05:41 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a716f576802336821329 Thanks for that, Chuck. Who would have thought that someone would care enough to put videos like that on the Tube? And then that other people would want to see them and comment ... ? I first saw these engines (tow of them) in a Royal Navy minesweeper on which I spent a week while I waited for flying training in 1975. I was give a tour of the engine room (Fish-heads trying to train a Crab :-)) and the chief engineer spoke with some pride of these lovely great machines. They were twice the size of the locomotive engines (twice as long), but I have to say that the sound in a locomotive is great. And it's not only the sound, it's the thought of the whole motive system, the drive train: Driver demands power in the cab from the electric motor; electric motor demands current from the generator; generator demands torque from the diesel which spins up with a great roar. And it just keeps on going as the train gathers speed. It's not as romantic as steam, but it is still pretty stirring for me. And the surging, continuous power of a single GE F110 engine in an F16 is more exciting (if you're in it), but anyone could then visit a railway station and listen as the locomotives built up power and pulled 9or pushed) their trains out on their journeys. And I'm not even a train spotter! Chris On 16 Aug 2008, at 18:45, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I was intrigued enough to look up the Napier Delta wondering how a > 3-banked engine was designed. It not only has 3 banks but each > cylinder > sports two *opposing* pistons. Neat! > > A too close close-up view of the engine > > and a great simulation of the moving parts with real sound > > And what it's like trying to get those cold pistons moving. Probably > needs some of Veggie Van Gogh's french fry oil. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 20:19:50 2008 Received: (qmail 26261 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 18:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 18:19:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EE0C2AF1; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:19:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:19:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E0CC39BD for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:19:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so865410wah.17 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=qevyb68LQ/YNsNpKDkmuE5QwKzs3SVAumbCxz8f2xWE=; b=SlZu8/bp+3ZpBJsjsU/fpZtgQSxJVfLiiyNLyQP48N9+556/jXtLfoLbYt2qesnGYp dgROaqAArRYzPrE3qvsVPjGN8+E9VIknT9I2biMsmQcHepzvjMyPYTwTyGEliNOzyXrH wUhi1EqJMTC/KOzEyxY23c2fE6MIqF7OPAxlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=FriUIuW+RQEvT4ZqtMEQUNp80Ed1pxrDJ8QXmEv4I+RRSxb5VlmrJpQDTPb8OYRRE1 HcU/KKQJiorEGwUYPCs8v5OO1F1ye7qYirZy3lyvbKTvM0PPSwO+WCYhbxoQK4abjQpj QoWWUL3hmwXQsJH3b8rUajGqeB0B3ZgnMjpaA= Received: by 10.115.91.11 with SMTP id t11mr3776985wal.41.1218910772260; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? ( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n9sm6554136wag.17.2008.08.16.11.19.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1D1C3B68-FAC5-4C3E-B1BF-42DAF68C6B2A@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:08 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 20:19:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a71a46130381702588592 An acquaintance of mine has the last flying Fireflys in the States (maybe anywhere?). Rob in Seattle On Aug 16, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Unfortunately a Fairey Firefly ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 20:43:11 2008 Received: (qmail 22223 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 18:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 18:43:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FFDC31F6; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:42:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:42:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8805EC370B for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2120611rvb.29 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=OVzs9YuzHB46PkNfd3WoYOx3jSpwuTEvSrHhBHfGD/8=; b=jZtDfKWaGU6fzpLqUwdzD/o1q4TiPuCDQzVV+T77GoonaC+eiaAuAYXh9coMVGa2ZF XJJJfs9KuR9cekXohBXWW0EvNeBuLtdPT/LUSEzV8jxzzyboMRTtCVW3jo+g+hK4bR+E 1RzUK8vJOOGFgzZfobUI8NHxtA528cvxY5ia8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=FPb8HWXYgSQzx2Oz37KYiPDh2PEXlcPrYea6qOMscuICn6B4CeF866JFnBwr7yYk2a LNIHvhMlfR2QDfhEQpyi3UdUHVTVnkRA8vm6rCj+NFcU7uOR9uZHg7zdRBlRY/rl5nop TmSbaOFaajiWjSnAvX53IGwVxy5hKHd+yDI/M= Received: by 10.114.184.7 with SMTP id h7mr3789358waf.9.1218912176892; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? ( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v39sm6632311wah.40.2008.08.16.11.42.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0687A765-99C2-44FF-A14A-2FF23CE94E8A@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:42:46 -0700 References: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 20:43:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a71fbf130061702588592 In 1976, between my second and third year of architecture school, when gas was cheaper and I had fewer responsibilities (and indulgent parents), I drove a 1971 BMW 2002 around the western US for a summer, car camping and staying with friends. About two and a half months, as I recall, and 12,000 miles. The trip started near Cleveland, Ohio where I lived, and went west, down through Oklahoma (to see Bruce Goff houses in Norman), northern Texas (Cadillac Ranch), Gran Canyon, Mesa Verde, Painted Desert, Taos, Las Vegas, Death Valley, two weeks in Los Angeles, up the coast to San Franscisco for another ten days (stopping to see the Madonna Inn along the way) and experiencing the Bicentennial there, Yosemite National Park for ten days or so imitating Ansel Adams and hanging out with climbers in Camp 4, back to SF and then up Highway 1 (past Sea Ranch), the Oregon coast, around the Olympic Peninsula and into Seattle, up to Vancouver BC, across the Canadian Rockies to Banff and Lake Louise, down to Glacier National Park, Yellowstone, then back eastward through Ann Arbor, MI and home. I shot about 50 rolls of hand-rolled Illford FP4 and maybe 25 of Kodachrome 25, and a few rolls of Ektachrome--all with my OM-1md and a 50/1.8 lens. It was epic. A trip of a lifetime, for sure. I periodically entertain notions of scanning the best of the images from that trip and putting together a website. Certainly a portrait of the country at that time. Rob in Seattle On Aug 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Mike wrote: > >> >> Traveling 1,000 or 1,500 miles by >> car is not unheard of for us but never anything like 10,000. > Don't under estimate the size of the western states. We easily put on > well over 1000 miles on our trips to eastern OR and that's from the > neighboring state. And as western states go WA and OR are the runts. > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 20:43:44 2008 Received: (qmail 17860 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 18:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 18:43:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129CFC3106; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69128C2E57 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:43:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080816184331.YPGI2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:43:31 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 36jW1a00E3Hz7l8026jW19; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:43:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:46:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 20:43:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a71fe0157621470116606 I've never driven across Montana or Idaho, but I've driven across western Kansas and eastern Colorado and a good part of NOrthern New Mexico, and it can be mind-numbing. Imagine going days without seeing much humanity except truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. You will have a learning experience. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "1" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone > >> >> Traveling 1,000 or 1,500 miles by >> car is not unheard of for us but never anything like 10,000. > Don't under estimate the size of the western states. We easily put on > well over 1000 miles on our trips to eastern OR and that's from the > neighboring state. And as western states go WA and OR are the runts. > > Mike > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 20:59:43 2008 Received: (qmail 14691 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 18:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 18:59:43 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D095FC3834; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:59:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:59:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D063C2F17 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:59:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so872913wah.17 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:x-priority:date:references:x-mailer; bh=mxuDQKUIdNbFJlnCfS+9xxrcm+6gZCK29sj41EpllWM=; b=mvfrZPH8iL1onG3k3D28+OoDdwOxE9G9g1f151ZdLDvexlxwBt65/wbWUCQb7MtT8u wTuk/TyAEu3ivnKKIJCsPnR4WCDLptwLd89RUjdEVKyar4gxsRByo7n0w83tYUz9urEh nbNXfjlnXZKZo6FT4Ckw3ct4eDMlmWyWuzCaA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:x-priority:date :references:x-mailer; b=GqRG+G+r9aPJ451WaVncAZ0BO7p8eZhv3T8kqpHNQORzQfqeeVcWf9MXIRcUpt5y6u y0nYO9vJ8GbCQZsEyccs56ZfkNOgOjZf44auIR/i5yqeN+dO8UHIHEGSCP3eSAfpX6fS UTN4gomwV0pJQ/2YK/ovcxOs3WjaBJEKhmwFc= Received: by 10.114.148.2 with SMTP id v2mr3797668wad.173.1218913170358; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? ( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f20sm6618195waf.53.2008.08.16.11.59.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <91087B9C-FB48-4BFD-BB43-350B2211BC93@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:59:09 -0700 References: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 20:59:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7239f76591823421471 On the other hand, the experience of seeing the Rockies arise out of the plains of eastern Colorado, after all those miles of flatland, is breathtaking. I don't know though, I totally enjoyed the Australian desert too-- north of Adelaide on the Oonadadata Track for example, where you can see a landscape of only flat, red gravel far enough to see the curvature of the earth--so take my opinion with a grain of salt...:-) Rob in Seattle On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Bill Pearce wrote: > > I've never driven across Montana or Idaho, but I've driven across > western > Kansas and eastern Colorado and a good part of NOrthern New Mexico, > and it > can be mind-numbing. Imagine going days without seeing much humanity > except > truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. > > You will have a learning experience. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 21:24:39 2008 Received: (qmail 22928 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD114C351E; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B448C2DA8 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB663140D6 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8DC3140D1 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A72975.2070404@interisland.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:24:37 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: polarized skies Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080816-0, 08/16/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 21:24:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7297735431946193717 Thanks for the responses. I did get them albeit a couple days late. Chuck, sounds like a good way to deal with panoramas but I'm not sure how it will work with the polarizer effect. Moose, I'll play around with a circular gradient centered on the area of deepest blue. I can't dismiss the polarizer as unnecessary however as I use it not only for the skies but also for the saturation, haze reduction and reflection reduction. No way to duplicate the cumulative effect in PS. 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( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j28sm6669160waf.18.2008.08.16.12.33.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <41C2C5A4-345A-409D-B2D3-1E8C2979401C@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:32:54 -0700 References: <20080816012902.56A74C2DF1@ml.free.fr> <8D98269E-D132-4945-BD85-11CAD9A77260@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 21:33:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a72b9d196425368819438 I think the hot folder is an Automator script. I downloaded Maperture. THAT is cool! The track log feature is not yet enabled...but is coming. Chris should have that for his big trip! And they're local too. The office is in Ballard. Rob in Seattle On Aug 15, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > Doesn't Aperture have a "hot folder" that it automatically catalogues? > I've not used it, but I'm pretty sure I saw it there somewhere. Or > perhaps it was a free plugin I installed and never used. > > I'm playing with a slick new plugin, Maperture, which tags your images > with location when you feed it a GPS track log. Combine that with one > of these newfangled GPS USP dongles that run for a week or so on a > couple AAA cells... won't be long before GPS is built into cameras. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 21:39:08 2008 Received: (qmail 29958 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE6BC28B7; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1BEC2896 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27871 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.205.31) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 19:38:54 -0000 Message-ID: <48A72C85.7030801@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:37:41 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Check out image at top of this page References: <380-22008861615131881@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22008861615131881@earthlink.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 21:39:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a72cdc155629117217770 jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > http://www.larson-ent.com/prod_cats.php > I was checking out some products on this site and just happened to notice the background image at the top. You have to be quick as another image of their products goes over it pretty quick if you miss it just click to another page. > Here's the image alone - along with a Moosified imagining of the original. OM-1(n), 100/2.8 and ?? I'm guessing 50/1.8. Holding the appropriate MC version at the same angle, the fuzzy text disappearing on the right would be "AUTO-S" and that on the left "Japan". See? There is some tiny reason to have too many lenses around. Ali said he wished he had 50 lenses. I don't have 50 Zuikos, but more than 50 in OM mount, some via Adaptall2s. Anybody need a really nice MC 50/1.8 with slightly slow aperture? Just like the one in the picture. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sat Aug 16 21:46:28 2008 Received: (qmail 1066 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033BEC3AED; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:46:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:46:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB39FC3A51 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:45:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30889 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 19:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.205.31) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 19:45:48 -0000 Message-ID: <48A72E67.6070409@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:45:43 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: References: <48A706E0.4000309@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A706E0.4000309@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Aug 16 21:46:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a72e94144731529615919 Mike wrote: >> .... Then wait..... >> >> Then, with luck, you get some good shots. >> > You hit the nail on the head Moose. .... > usher99@aol.com wrote: > Moose says: > > One of the problems with MF on DSLRs ... > > Moose and Chuck hit the nail on the head a usual. WOW! Two nails hit on the head in one day. And nary a thumb injured. What else is there left to acomplish? :-) :-) Thanks guys. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 01:06:08 2008 Received: (qmail 18660 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 23:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:06:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F9EC2E65; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DA07C2C93 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:05:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31959 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 23:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:05:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48A7122C.60109@chucknorcutt.com> References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> <813DFCA5-9AED-4D97-9008-7C3CDAA11316@threeshoes.net> <48A7122C.60109@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:05:49 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 01:06:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a75d60186551234514069 My gawd - hat was the 'successful attempt. I do remember them - quite a roar at speed. But someone mentioned the Phantom - I manned a stand for a few days at Farnborough Air Show once in the long ago in their heyday. Each day they would fly two or three of them in fairly low, kick in the afterburners and go into a vertical climb. Quite a sight but it was a problem - bolts kept shaking out of the framework of the huge exhibition tent and falling on people. Quite large bolts. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/08/2008, at 3:45 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > And what it's like trying to get those cold pistons moving. Probably > needs some of Veggie Van Gogh's french fry oil. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 01:12:25 2008 Received: (qmail 27214 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 23:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:12:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1607CC2B27; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:11:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75298C34EB for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:08:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25291 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 23:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.175.218) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 23:08:37 -0000 Message-ID: <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:08:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Africa References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 01:12:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a75ed9180814673671140 Chris Barker wrote: > Hmm, I think you're right, Moose. If you have a moment to spare, have > a look at mine (only around 10 pics!) at http://gallery.me.com/zuiko > Nice. I particularly like Huts Brightlingsea #1 and the door and church in Portugal. And one can't pass by Willem's house without a pic. ;-) You could really use PTLens for the G7 at the wide end. And once they were there, I couldn't resist messing about. :-) http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Barker/18-Portugal.htm http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Barker/22-Portugal.htm http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Barker/58-Portugal.htm Correcting the barrel distortion alone is a matter of single digit seconds. > I am not sure, but it looks as if you start to get pixellation if you look at it on a large monitor, such that the uploaded image's pixel dimensions are exceeded by the display's size. Mine's 1920 x 1260 or something, a 24" iMac. > Mine's only 22", but I can get the gallery to up or down size image display by changing the size of the browser window - neither one particularly sharp looking. What I couldn't do was convince it to show images with the size unaltered. I could only do that by opening them directly in a separate tab, outside of the gallery. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 01:12:45 2008 Received: (qmail 15964 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 23:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:12:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA42FC3958; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F46C3540 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:10:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26308 invoked by uid 502); 16 Aug 2008 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.175.218) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 16 Aug 2008 23:10:09 -0000 Message-ID: <48A75E4B.3040402@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:10:03 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 01:12:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a75eed291697350615338 Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, you're right, but I feel too old to feel daft. > Nah, just not old enough. I've got a few years on you. The older I get, the less I care about things like that. Quite liberating. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 01:17:38 2008 Received: (qmail 25144 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 23:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:17:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A579EC2813; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:17:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:17:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 17783C2C37 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:17:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32608 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:17:23 -0000 In-Reply-To: <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> References: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:17:20 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 01:17:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a76012156041585427447 I don't have to imagine - Western Australia - not even the fast food - nothing but a roadhouse every couple of hundred kilometres. Nothing. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/08/2008, at 7:46 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > Imagine going days without seeing much humanity except > truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 01:24:52 2008 Received: (qmail 26988 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 2008 23:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:24:51 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDF4C292C; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:24:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:24:40 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AA687C2C86 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1578 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 23:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:24:37 -0000 In-Reply-To: <91087B9C-FB48-4BFD-BB43-350B2211BC93@gmail.com> References: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> <91087B9C-FB48-4BFD-BB43-350B2211BC93@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <77D764E3-0174-45B5-A421-CE2C7E092322@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:24:34 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 01:24:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a761c3135451529615919 Yup, that's the one. You can sit on a hill if there is one, look out for 50km and know pretty much that there's no-one there. Everything gets stained red (I used to think they were sunburned) and the bloody fine red dust gets into your food, water, cameras, personal crevices, everything. After a while you start to love it - that's when you know you're in trouble. Apart from the blackfellas of course - they can deal with it. There are some strange folk out there. The sort who don't bother to finish sentences and when they talk, it's probably a good idea to smile, nod and shut up. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 17/08/2008, at 4:59 AM, Rob Harrison wrote: > I don't know though, I totally enjoyed the Australian desert too-- > north of Adelaide on the Oonadadata Track for example, where you can > see a landscape of only flat, red gravel far enough to see the > curvature of the earth--so take my opinion with a grain of salt...:-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 02:31:24 2008 Received: (qmail 10186 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 00:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 00:31:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E060EC2815; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:31:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:31:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B728C2BA7 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:31:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1631025yxj.89 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:31:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eJYZi0tfo3L+YcwGUtQu5HBw9EA0ENLVUimpsl05Wn4=; b=U4Fn7yVkSy/7zSv6sn6JKorn6tE/fQYmkexlHpht6rs8jmfzcxcSMSStW8GI2R95Tm lKr0Bv+s+F67pyL5AVbZwVyCxmiMFafIgzMJGgAD3NVgdXkR6AvsbNRmcr6upiacc510 45Al4V2ef92v3tzAH6MlF602SwpEweESSvG5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pzhyY0Ha0IU0rkgx2PtLKx+c+0IAQ9Nq714Ge+/Z9pLXbueCghQNFh8+ZMoCaL8qeQ VudqqH6sOxmN8wdQakGOYKSdXKnxePR5vbjmIYOERiGYrn5104AwSXI3GtvxfNPqRGAs PILe7PZ8wvbJGR1AzuxI3TW1npJR58/g/5wQg= Received: by 10.151.27.15 with SMTP id e15mr6782852ybj.33.1218933070772; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.146.10 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:31:10 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: f455043a308f70dd X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 02:31:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7715c23801499373980 Yes, Bill, there is a real pinhole "lens" in the future for my OM system. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 02:57:23 2008 Received: (qmail 4148 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 00:57:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B97C285B; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:57:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:57:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96009C3037 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:57:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.30.188] (r190-135-30-188.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.30.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7H0v3sD022220 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:57:04 -0300 Message-ID: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:57:13 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Help with xp sp2 ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 02:57:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a77773314521234514069 was updating avg 8 free, and an error message says update failed due to "a .dll is missing". already did what I've learned to do, but the .dll is still missing. how do I find an unknown .dll ? should I go the way of restore system - never too lucky when doing that ! Fernando. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 03:13:22 2008 Received: (qmail 11205 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 01:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 01:13:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4E0C34E1; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:13:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:13:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72EEC375B for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:13:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080817012014.QNCA4520.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:20:14 -0400 Message-ID: <48A77B23.9040203@roadrunner.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:13:07 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 03:13:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a77b321421702588592 Download AVG 8 again. I have had to download a second time before. The dll may be corrupted from the update. Restore works miracles sometimes. Dick Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > was updating avg 8 free, and an error message says update failed due to > "a .dll is missing". > > already did what I've learned to do, but the .dll is still missing. > > how do I find an unknown .dll ? > > should I go the way of restore system - never too lucky when doing that ! > > Fernando. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 03:22:04 2008 Received: (qmail 20428 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 01:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 01:22:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0D2C3521; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:21:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:21:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37274C37C4 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.30.188] (r190-135-30-188.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.30.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7H1LjIm023599 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:21:45 -0300 Message-ID: <48A77D34.808@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:21:56 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> <48A77B23.9040203@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <48A77B23.9040203@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 03:22:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a77d3c316981470116606 Already downloaded and installed avg8 - problem remains. no antivirus now. o.k. - will go the restore way .... searching google for some 5 missing .dll Piriform CCleaner has identified - is entering hell. shall take my dog for a walk, then I will restore - if someone has a bettter idea please email me. Fernando. Richard Ociepka wrote: > Download AVG 8 again. I have had to download a second time before. > The dll may be corrupted from the update. > > Restore works miracles sometimes. > > Dick > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> was updating avg 8 free, and an error message says update failed due to >> "a .dll is missing". >> >> already did what I've learned to do, but the .dll is still missing. >> >> how do I find an unknown .dll ? >> >> should I go the way of restore system - never too lucky when doing that ! >> >> Fernando. >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 03:26:37 2008 Received: (qmail 22191 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 01:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 01:26:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D36C38F3; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:26:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:26:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB25C2883 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:26:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.30.188] (r190-135-30-188.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.30.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7H1QHlv023834 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:26:17 -0300 Message-ID: <48A77E43.8020408@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:26:27 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> <48A77B23.9040203@roadrunner.com> <48A77D34.808@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A77D34.808@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 03:26:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a77e4d9751257536491 Sorry - it's a .bin what's missing - Piriform inform confused me. an unknown absent .bin left me without AVG 8 ...:-( Fernando. Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Already downloaded and installed avg8 - problem remains. no antivirus now. > > o.k. - will go the restore way .... searching google for some 5 missing > .dll Piriform CCleaner has identified - is entering hell. > > shall take my dog for a walk, then I will restore - if someone has a > bettter idea please email me. > > Fernando. > > Richard Ociepka wrote: > >> Download AVG 8 again. I have had to download a second time before. >> The dll may be corrupted from the update. >> >> Restore works miracles sometimes. >> >> Dick >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >> >>> was updating avg 8 free, and an error message says update failed due to >>> "a .dll is missing". >>> >>> already did what I've learned to do, but the .dll is still missing. >>> >>> how do I find an unknown .dll ? >>> >>> should I go the way of restore system - never too lucky when doing that ! >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 07:19 p.m. > > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 03:27:58 2008 Received: (qmail 309 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 01:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 01:27:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE70C365A; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790DBC39D6 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:27:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-57.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.57]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080817012742H06009tiode>; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:27:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.57] Message-ID: <00b301c90008$70971e20$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:27:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 03:27:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a77e9e248483675314703 Does event viewer have any information? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: [OM] Help with xp sp2 ! > > > was updating avg 8 free, and an error message says update failed due to > "a .dll is missing". > > already did what I've learned to do, but the .dll is still missing. > > how do I find an unknown .dll ? > > should I go the way of restore system - never too lucky when doing that ! > > Fernando. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 > 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 03:37:51 2008 Received: (qmail 11466 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 01:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 01:37:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E799AC2812; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:37:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:37:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A25C3C8D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 23210 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 01:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 01:37:06 -0000 Message-ID: <48A780C1.3090003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:37:05 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A7059C.1010809@interisland.net> <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> In-Reply-To: <000f01c9004e$17603580$98f06744@youra9279112e3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 03:37:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a780ef239631073733319 I have traveled all of Route 66 a couple of times in the 50's. There were lots of long barren stretches through Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. The only difference I think was slower travel and no fast food chains. But thinking of food along Route 66 reminds me of a story. We were traveling from Battle Creek, Michigan to La Puente, California to visit my grandmother. It was 1955 and I was 12. We had stopped at a restaurant in Tulsa, Oklahoma for lunch. Being a typical mid-western boy of the time and subject to my mother's meat and potatoes meals I had never in my life eaten chili. When I saw chili on the menu I told the waitress that's what I wanted. She looked at me a little suspiciously and asked: "Red or green?" I said: "What's the difference?" She said: "Honey, if you've gotta ask then you want red." :-) Chuck Norcutt Bill Pearce wrote: > I've never driven across Montana or Idaho, but I've driven across western > Kansas and eastern Colorado and a good part of NOrthern New Mexico, and it > can be mind-numbing. Imagine going days without seeing much humanity except > truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. > > You will have a learning experience. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" > To: "1" > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:51 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone > > >>> Traveling 1,000 or 1,500 miles by >>> car is not unheard of for us but never anything like 10,000. >> Don't under estimate the size of the western states. We easily put on >> well over 1000 miles on our trips to eastern OR and that's from the >> neighboring state. And as western states go WA and OR are the runts. >> >> Mike >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:05:17 2008 Received: (qmail 12433 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:05:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1125C32AC; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:05:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:05:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF71C2FAE for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:05:05 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oD2sH9O4VmoqC+BgHaDmA8ZlU5mfHy6n2ZuoeIyfv3wlDS42KJJuHYK5C3W0peuf; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.97.107] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KUXdg-0006sS-Ej for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:05:04 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:05:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9401a5ed4f8dbefb092265d637999555624350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.97.107 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:05:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7875d192571342116753 same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in downloaded it again still same problem John > [Original Message] > From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > To: > Date: 8/16/2008 10:26:24 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! > > > Sorry - it's a .bin what's missing - Piriform inform confused me. > > an unknown absent .bin left me without AVG 8 ...:-( > > Fernando. > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > Already downloaded and installed avg8 - problem remains. no antivirus now. > > > > o.k. - will go the restore way .... searching google for some 5 missing > > .dll Piriform CCleaner has identified - is entering hell. > > > > shall take my dog for a walk, then I will restore - if someone has a > > bettter idea please email me. > > > > Fernando. > > > > Richard Ociepka wrote: > > > >> Download AVG 8 again. I have had to download a second time before. > >> The dll may be corrupted from the update. > >> > >> Restore works miracles sometimes. > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> > >> > >>> was updating avg 8 free, and an error message says update failed due to > >>> "a .dll is missing". > >>> > >>> already did what I've learned to do, but the .dll is still missing. > >>> > >>> how do I find an unknown .dll ? > >>> > >>> should I go the way of restore system - never too lucky when doing that ! > >>> > >>> Fernando. > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 07:19 p.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:10:27 2008 Received: (qmail 17460 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:10:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107B3C30C8; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EFCC2EEE for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:10:15 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XE+ODn8ThCPj0g6b7j8Hbv9pL6d5IauX4Zx7RJWTB0h0A4qVEm5koaYd2T/AFaTz; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.175.97.107] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KUXie-0006GO-L9 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:10:12 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22008801721013312@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:10:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9408f4ab28722e0371024b9d324b341bfe9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.97.107 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jgettis81@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:10:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a78893173549117217770 I remember sitting with my parents at a Mexican restaurant eating tacos. My dad was looking at the two bottles of homemade hot sauce sitting on table one red one green. He could not get the waitress's attention to ask her which one was the hot one. He asked my mother which one was hotter using logic she said that it must be the green one since it "looked" cooler. It was not he drained his beer my mothers beer and my soda in about 3 seconds flat. John ' > [Original Message] > From: Chuck Norcutt > To: > Date: 8/16/2008 10:37:14 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone > > I have traveled all of Route 66 a couple of times in the 50's. There > were lots of long barren stretches through Texas, New Mexico and > Arizona. The only difference I think was slower travel and no fast food > chains. But thinking of food along Route 66 reminds me of a story. > > We were traveling from Battle Creek, Michigan to La Puente, California > to visit my grandmother. It was 1955 and I was 12. We had stopped at a > restaurant in Tulsa, Oklahoma for lunch. Being a typical mid-western > boy of the time and subject to my mother's meat and potatoes meals I had > never in my life eaten chili. When I saw chili on the menu I told the > waitress that's what I wanted. She looked at me a little suspiciously > and asked: "Red or green?" I said: "What's the difference?" She said: > "Honey, if you've gotta ask then you want red." :-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:22:14 2008 Received: (qmail 21544 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:22:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C28C2E8A; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9B5C3078 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12271 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 02:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.205.234) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 02:22:01 -0000 Message-ID: <48A78B07.1020001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:20:55 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <380-22008801721013312@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22008801721013312@earthlink.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:22:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a78b56921234514069 jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > I remember sitting with my parents at a Mexican restaurant eating tacos. My dad was looking at the two bottles of homemade hot sauce sitting on table one red one green. He could not get the waitress's attention to ask > her which one was the hot one. He asked my mother which one was hotter using logic she said that it must be the green one since it "looked" cooler. It was not he drained his beer my mothers beer and my soda in about 3 seconds flat. My late wife was born in Mexico City, leading to vacations and family visits there and I did business in Mexico at one time. I still vacation there occasionally. I've eaten a lot of Mexican sauces. I am of the opinion that color has no correlation to 'hotness' in any global sense. That's also true of Mexican restaurants hereabouts. In one excellent one, the hottest sauce is green, as is the mildest. The stuff in the middle is red. Liquids do little to help for the simple reason that the heat is in an oil. Something to absorb it , like bread or rice, works better in my experience. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:27:07 2008 Received: (qmail 17037 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:27:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C511DC3249; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC923C31A8 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F5E10EE38B for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4kkSV7aQT4GI for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F14E10EE377 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2E3F75B3-8FA5-4ACE-ADD3-BE1ACB81C0EE@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080817014204.00B52C2CF2@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:26:48 -0700 References: <20080817014204.00B52C2CF2@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:27:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a78c7b117957927319144 > From: Moose > Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing > > Careful Jan, we're in agreement here, and have both put it in writing. > What will people think? ;-) Oh, how about a big hug? :::: Sell your cleverness, and purchase bewilderment -- Rumi :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:32:39 2008 Received: (qmail 14176 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C52C2FD2; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:32:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:32:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AE9C2F6C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:32:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.22.240] (r190-135-22-240.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.22.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7H2WM23026946 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:32:22 -0300 Message-ID: <48A78DC0.1000606@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:32:32 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> <00b301c90008$70971e20$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <00b301c90008$70971e20$6601a8c0@hpd220> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:32:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a78dc745122336821329 Bob, event viewer: applications > advert (warning) > Userenv > Event 1517 > System. : system > warning > Dhcp > Event 1007 It's a .bin what's missing. ouch .. :-( Bob Docherty wrote: > Does event viewer have any information? > > Bob > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:33:26 2008 Received: (qmail 25891 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:33:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B008C3083; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:33:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:33:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E56C2F55 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:33:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18183 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 02:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.205.234) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 02:33:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48A78DE3.6090207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:33:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system References: In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:33:26 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a78df699641499373980 Ken Norton wrote: > Yes, Bill, there is a real pinhole "lens" in the future for my OM system. > I got the impression Bill was talking about more than just a lens. I'm nowhere near knowledgeable about pinhole image making. However, it does seems to me from those images I've seen reproduced digitally on the web that the results are somehow different and generally, to me, 'better' in some hard to describe way when they are from larger than 35mm film. It seems to me to be the sort of subtle difference in tonality, contrast, graduation, something(s), that you are generally more attuned to than am I. One thing I can imagine would make some difference is that the 'optimum' pinhole opening for larger film is larger than that generally used for 35mm. The light going through the pinhole doesn't know how far it's traveling or how big an image it is going to make. However, simple physics says that the mix of strongly diffracted light and less diffracted rays will be different with a different pinhole size. Also, different wavelengths will be affected differently by hole size. Also, the divergence between more and less diffracted rays will be greater with a longer distance to the film/sensor. Looking at the geometry in my head, it seems that the result could be slightly different than capturing the image closer to the pinhole, then enlarging it to the same size as the larger image further back. This sort of fuzzy thinking is one thing that has so far kept me from getting a pinhole for OM or EF mount. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:36:28 2008 Received: (qmail 17549 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:36:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F65EC3359; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD2AC3327 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.22.240] (r190-135-22-240.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.22.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7H2a9bO027119 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:36:10 -0300 Message-ID: <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:36:20 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:36:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a78eab189171035110158 John - you don't seem as scared as I am :-) Do you think problem is at grisoft or at microsoft ? Should we go through Restore System ? Fernando. jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in > downloaded it again still same problem John > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:43:22 2008 Received: (qmail 18285 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:43:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1128C3545; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56090C2FD7 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22732 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 02:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.195.63) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 02:43:09 -0000 Message-ID: <48A79037.2090000@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:43:03 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing References: <20080817014204.00B52C2CF2@ml.free.fr> <2E3F75B3-8FA5-4ACE-ADD3-BE1ACB81C0EE@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <2E3F75B3-8FA5-4ACE-ADD3-BE1ACB81C0EE@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:43:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7904a185157927319144 Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Moose >> Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing >> >> Careful Jan, we're in agreement here, and have both put it in writing. >> What will people think? ;-) >> > > Oh, how about a big hug? > Sure! I'm an old Berkeley type, I hug everybody. Carol Anne's reserved New England brother in law has learned how to maneuver out of range without being too obvious about it. I even think he's become a little fond of me, but the danger of a hug gives him the willies. He also HATES having his picture taken and doesn't just try to hide or cover up. He gets angry, and he's a BIG guy. I think that's what Richard Man meant, at least in part, when he said "And Moose is exactly what I imagine him to be, a typical Berkeley'ian". I shook his hand when we met, but sneaked in a hug when we parted. Wasn't even intentional. I mean, he was in Berkeley, for bodywork, how could he not be a hugger? :-) > :::: Sell your cleverness, and purchase bewilderment -- Rumi > Aaah, right in tune for "a typical Berkeley'ian" Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 04:54:59 2008 Received: (qmail 25255 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 02:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 02:54:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EBAC2E8D; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D308C28E1 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w15.irbs.net (w15.irbs.net [205.237.194.59]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BD523E3E2 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-71-105-141-243.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net (pool-71-105-141-243.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.105.141.243]) by webmail.tuffmail.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:54:47 -0700 Message-ID: <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:54:47 -0700 From: "J. Van Brimmer" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.5) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: om1md@jevb.tuffmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 04:54:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a79303261502070262475 Please - before you go the restore route, try Avast Home Edition antivirus. I use it on Vista and have no problems with it. I don't know if your problem is with Grisoft or MS, but at least you can give Avast a try, it's also free for home use. http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html --jerry Quoting Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : Fernando Gonzalez Gentile once said: > > John - you don't seem as scared as I am :-) > > Do you think problem is at grisoft or at microsoft ? > > Should we go through Restore System ? > > Fernando. > > jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: >> same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in >> downloaded it again still same problem John >> >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > One Happy Snapper, jv ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 05:04:13 2008 Received: (qmail 28047 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 03:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 03:04:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CD7C305A; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F9EC2E39 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-57.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.57]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080817030359H0100m4crte>; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:04:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.57] Message-ID: <010c01c90015$e3f112b0$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <20080817014204.00B52C2CF2@ml.free.fr> <2E3F75B3-8FA5-4ACE-ADD3-BE1ACB81C0EE@Bytesmiths.com> Subject: [OM] Camera as an Automotive Tool Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:03:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 05:04:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7952d308871993019900 I talked myself into a repair project. Well, the garage talked me into it :) $700 to replace my plastic Mercury Marquis intake manifold. I bought an aftermarket replacement on Evilbay for $200 and dove in. Three days later and it's in! So, THAT'S why they charge so much... Being foolish, I thought it would all be done in a mere six hours. Thankfully, I took pictures along the way to remember where everything really went. The E-510 came in pretty handy to document the original layout. I find myself using my camera to fortify my failing memory more and more. Now all I need to do is replace the frozen A/C compressor and I might have a running vehicle :) Without my Olympus wrench I'd have been lost. Now I can return my buddys' torque wrench...Before I misplace it. http://www.bobdocherty.com/manifold/ Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 05:22:47 2008 Received: (qmail 3529 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 03:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 03:22:46 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5701C2EC1; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD2DC2EB1 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080817032649.JVZL20419.mta10.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:26:49 -0400 Message-ID: <48A7997A.2050802@roadrunner.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:22:34 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 05:22:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7998786971342116753 I just used Restore System today. Automatic update installed what looked to be SP3. My system was slowing and locking up. System Restore cured it. Dick Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > John - you don't seem as scared as I am :-) > > Do you think problem is at grisoft or at microsoft ? > > Should we go through Restore System ? > > Fernando. > > jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > >> same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in >> downloaded it again still same problem John >> >> =================================== >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 05:30:49 2008 Received: (qmail 15391 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 03:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 03:30:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504B4C2E2D; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:30:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:30:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E19C2DC7 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:30:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080817033034H02000vu1je>; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:30:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <184BF9B20DA74E9EB8506EF377FC4CA4@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <48A7997A.2050802@roadrunner.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:30:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 05:30:49 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a79b69321201744846740 I installed SP3 of my own initiative in June, and it worked fine from the beginning. I had heard of problems when it was done as an Automatic Update. I use Automatic Update regularly, and have really had very little trouble with it. It is nice to know that System Restore is there in the event of a problem. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ociepka" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! >I just used Restore System today. > Automatic update installed what looked to be SP3. > My system was slowing and locking up. > System Restore cured it. > > Dick > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> John - you don't seem as scared as I am :-) >> >> Do you think problem is at grisoft or at microsoft ? >> >> Should we go through Restore System ? >> >> Fernando. >> >> jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in >>> downloaded it again still same problem John >>> >>> =================================== >>> >>> > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 06:07:13 2008 Received: (qmail 15790 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 04:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 04:07:12 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6A9C2BC1; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:07:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:07:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64A2C2DE2 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:06:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3EfF1a03N0xGWP853G6zP0; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:06:59 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([24.20.172.214]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3G6y1a0064du4sg3YG6yxN; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:06:58 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PY3gBoiq7_0A:10 a=Tze_M8E1a9IA:10 a=WRHgunGBd0eHIhMbc4sA:9 a=3HjHA05wILcMiDs28bFoIHby_7kA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: References: <380-22008801721013312@earthlink.net> <48A78B07.1020001@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A78B07.1020001@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:07:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: pelaughlin@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 06:07:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7a3f095241585427447 That is supposed to be the purpose of sopapillas with honey. To calm the effect of the chiles, not to be a desert. Paul in Portland OR (Many years in southern New Mexico) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone > Liquids do little to help for the simple reason that the heat is in an > oil. Something to absorb it , like bread or rice, works better in my > experience. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 06:07:46 2008 Received: (qmail 24990 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 04:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 04:07:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54D5C2902; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:07:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:07:34 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from cl35.gs02.gridserver.com (cl35.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6461DC32B3 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:07:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pool-71-120-179-138.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.120.179.138]:50074 helo=[192.168.2.2]) by cl35.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KUZYA-0004Iy-Sw for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:07:31 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:07:28 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: Camera as an Automotive Tool From: Chris Crawford To: "olympus@ml.free.fr" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Camera as an Automotive Tool Thread-Index: AckAHsMoAXzA6GwSEd2LFgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <010c01c90015$e3f112b0$6601a8c0@hpd220> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 06:07:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7a412204471234514069 I've used my D70 that way. I had to take one of the heads off my Chevy Caprice's engine to extract a broken exhaust manifold bolt. There was so much crap to remove to get to the head! -- Chris Crawford Photography & Graphic Design Fort Wayne, Indiana http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.plumpatrin.com Something the world NEEDS. On 8/16/08 11:03 PM, "Bob Docherty" wrote: > > I talked myself into a repair project. Well, the garage talked me into it > :) $700 to replace my plastic Mercury Marquis intake manifold. I bought an > aftermarket replacement on Evilbay for $200 and dove in. Three days later > and it's in! So, THAT'S why they charge so much... > Being foolish, I thought it would all be done in a mere six hours. > Thankfully, I took pictures along the way to remember where everything > really went. The E-510 came in pretty handy to document the original layout. > I find myself using my camera to fortify my failing memory more and more. > Now all I need to do is replace the frozen A/C compressor and I might have a > running vehicle :) > Without my Olympus wrench I'd have been lost. Now I can return my buddys' > torque wrench...Before I misplace it. > > http://www.bobdocherty.com/manifold/ > > Bob > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 06:12:21 2008 Received: (qmail 11461 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 04:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 04:12:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F34FC30CE; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:12:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:12:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29936C2F1C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:12:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [190.135.23.210] (r190-135-23-210.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.23.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7H4C1tw031843 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:12:01 -0300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.138 [270.4.5/1533]); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:12:00 -0300 Message-ID: <48A7A510.6020200@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:12:00 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> In-Reply-To: <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 06:12:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7a525295801499373980 OK - have no choice: just came back from the Restore Route, and the .bin is still missing. Have had some other minor problems with AVG8, minor but frequent - too frequent, once a week at least. This is the chance to switch to Avast, not too popular here as NOD 32 is, but I will install it right now. Thanks a lot, Jerry. Fernando. J. Van Brimmer wrote: > Please - before you go the restore route, try Avast Home Edition > antivirus. I use it on Vista and have no problems with it. I don't know > if your problem is with Grisoft or MS, but at least you can give Avast > a try, it's also free for home use. > > http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html > > > > --jerry > > > > Quoting Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : Fernando > Gonzalez Gentile once said: > > >> John - you don't seem as scared as I am :-) >> >> Do you think problem is at grisoft or at microsoft ? >> >> Should we go through Restore System ? >> >> Fernando. >> >> jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in >>> downloaded it again still same problem John >>> >>> >>> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> > > > > One Happy Snapper, > jv > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 07:19 p.m. > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 07:19 p.m. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 08:10:58 2008 Received: (qmail 6977 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 06:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 06:10:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B76C3298; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52017C2CD3 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1926 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 06:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.196.109) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 06:10:44 -0000 Message-ID: <48A7C09E.7020106@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:09:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <19010725.post@talk.nabble.com> <48A6D61B.20507@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A6D61B.20507@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 08:10:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7c0f2166961744846740 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Thanks. That's a great read. The two points I picked up that I hadn't previously considered is the effect of diffraction as a limiting factor on DOF and the effect of diffraction on color accuracy at high resolution. > > Also, the fact that the G7 is diffraction limited at f/2 means that the airy circle is spilling across pixels at any aperture. In a sense, I suppose it always is spilling over. The question is whether the amplitude is sufficient to cause a noticeable effect. It's a wave pattern, so what if it skipped the first adjacent pixels, only to affect the next round? :-) > I wonder if downsizing the image to combine pixels at some level actually produces a better image. Moose's 12 MP Canon is probably a good test case. > How does one test such a question? I find it very difficult to compare images with different numbers of pixels. Even assuming working with some sort of test image with objective resolution info, there is no f2 or f1.4 aperture to compare to the actual f2.8 of the camera as the wide end. I suppose if detail resolution increased as it was stopped down that might tend to indicate it wasn't diffraction limited. But if lens limitations are improving while diffraction limitations are increasing, how does one separate them. The increase from 10 to 12 MP is only a 10% increase in linear resolution The dpreview test of the G9 (same sensor system as the A650) does show a slight increase in resolution over he G7, 10% vertical and 3% horizontal. If the G7 were already significantly diffraction limited, would one see such an increase? About all I can say in general from my own experience, and without testing different f-stops, is that the A650 images, when downsized to the same pixel dimensions, resolve more detail than the 6 MP sensor of the F30. As the sensors are of the same size, I suppose that says there was some gain still to be made from a higher pixel count that is greater than losses from diffraction limiting? The other thing that may not be included in the theoretical calculation is that the loss is calculated based on criteria that predate sharpening and LCE. To the extent that diffraction only reduces visible resolution because it reduces contrast at edges, thus rendering detail less easily visible, but still there in the data, it may be possible to recover detail that wasn't visible in the unaltered image file. I find that to be true of many cameras, not just the A650, though. Is it more with the A650? Many A650 RAW developed images do seem to thrive on NeatImage with some resharpening set. It has an almost magical effect of eliminating much noise while increasing visible detail. Depends on the ISO and subject, of course, but generally it's a real winner. Now I'm wondering if I only see that effect, or mostly see it, on A650 images. I'm not sure. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 08:36:10 2008 Received: (qmail 15684 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 06:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 06:36:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB47C2F98; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC57C2E92 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:35:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E08461651 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:49:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:35:56 +0100 References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <70BFA200-311C-4E04-9843-5A7710F31E54@people.net.au> <64BBAEF0-B72B-4E74-95AD-2989A5B8E66D@threeshoes.net> <813DFCA5-9AED-4D97-9008-7C3CDAA11316@threeshoes.net> <48A7122C.60109@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 08:36:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7c6da111121838542571 There are a couple more videos of better engine runs, Andrew. F4s certainly had a roar to them as well. But our engines were bigger than those fitted to any other models. It was all to do with keeping jobs in the UK and we fitted Rolls Royce Spey engines to the RAF F4s. It meant that we went for a year or 2 with not many aircraft to fly (!) and they were draggier than the USAF models, but they made a BIG noise! Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 00:05, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > My gawd - hat was the 'successful attempt. > I do remember them - quite a roar at speed. > But someone mentioned the Phantom - I manned a stand for a few days > at Farnborough Air Show once in the long ago in their heyday. Each > day they would fly two or three of them in fairly low, kick in the > afterburners and go into a vertical climb. Quite a sight but it was a > problem - bolts kept shaking out of the framework of the huge > exhibition tent and falling on people. Quite large bolts. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 08:37:15 2008 Received: (qmail 9248 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 06:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 06:37:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34D2C3029; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB83C2EF8 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC98461652 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:50:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A75E4B.3040402@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:37:02 +0100 References: <48A5EC6B.7040407@interisland.net> <48A5FA68.4020008@adinet.com.uy> <9A384906-1042-4C13-9ABD-9DC6066703CD@threeshoes.net> <1ED472C6-5A07-4A1A-81C2-615FF28F66FF@people.net.au> <48A75E4B.3040402@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 08:37:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7c71b129031993019900 I understand, Moose. Just to balance it, I skipped across the hangar with one of my students last week: that was quite liberating as well ... :-) Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 00:10, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> Yes, you're right, but I feel too old to feel daft. >> > Nah, just not old enough. I've got a few years on you. The older I > get, > the less I care about things like that. Quite liberating. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 08:46:09 2008 Received: (qmail 6840 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 06:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 06:46:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17113C3BDA; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:45:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:45:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FCEC39CC for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:45:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A439461651 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:59:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4B5BF50D-DCED-4DD7-B3DD-232F42C3DE28@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:45:27 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 08:46:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7c931107991257536491 Dear me! There's quite a deal of distortion, Moose. I have never noticed ... Thanks for enlightening me. I think that Apple need to sort out the Gallery so that the sizing works more effectively or to discard sizing altogether. I shall let them have my (your) opinion :-) Cheers Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 00:08, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> Hmm, I think you're right, Moose. If you have a moment to spare, >> have >> a look at mine (only around 10 pics!) at http://gallery.me.com/zuiko >> > Nice. I particularly like Huts Brightlingsea #1 and the door and > church > in Portugal. And one can't pass by Willem's house without a pic. ;-) > > You could really use PTLens for the G7 at the wide end. And once they > were there, I couldn't resist messing about. :-) > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Barker/18-Portugal.htm > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Barker/22-Portugal.htm > http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Barker/58-Portugal.htm > > Correcting the barrel distortion alone is a matter of single digit > seconds. >> I am not sure, but it looks as if you start to get pixellation if >> you look at it on a large monitor, such that the uploaded image's >> pixel dimensions are exceeded by the display's size. Mine's 1920 x >> 1260 or something, a 24" iMac. >> > Mine's only 22", but I can get the gallery to up or down size image > display by changing the size of the browser window - neither one > particularly sharp looking. What I couldn't do was convince it to show > images with the size unaltered. I could only do that by opening them > directly in a separate tab, outside of the gallery. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 09:20:34 2008 Received: (qmail 17878 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 07:20:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA0FC2D65; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:20:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:20:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA8CC2D19 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:20:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7H7KKde056202 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <1D1C3B68-FAC5-4C3E-B1BF-42DAF68C6B2A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1D1C3B68-FAC5-4C3E-B1BF-42DAF68C6B2A@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:20:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-index: Acj/zKZjDFm/vorMTf+GpjI+7eXRQwAbO5hA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 09:20:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7d142202378512572685 Thanks, I have a friend that is a retired Viet Nam Vet pilot, jumbo jet pilot, and now fly's the small stuff, mostly I think, to see if he can still make folks upchuck. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Rob Harrison Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:19 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative An acquaintance of mine has the last flying Fireflys in the States (maybe anywhere?). Rob in Seattle On Aug 16, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Unfortunately a Fairey Firefly ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 10:25:59 2008 Received: (qmail 2671 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 08:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 08:25:58 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C72C30DF; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:25:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:25:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED4DC3459 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:25:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19491 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 08:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 08:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <48A7E089.7020408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:25:45 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> <48A7A510.6020200@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A7A510.6020200@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 10:25:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7e097163601838542571 But why aren't you running SP3? I'd upgrade first before anything else. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > OK - have no choice: just came back from the Restore Route, and the .bin > is still missing. > > Have had some other minor problems with AVG8, minor but frequent - too > frequent, once a week at least. > > This is the chance to switch to Avast, not too popular here as NOD 32 > is, but I will install it right now. > > Thanks a lot, Jerry. > > Fernando. > > J. Van Brimmer wrote: >> Please - before you go the restore route, try Avast Home Edition >> antivirus. I use it on Vista and have no problems with it. I don't know >> if your problem is with Grisoft or MS, but at least you can give Avast >> a try, it's also free for home use. >> >> http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html >> >> >> >> --jerry >> >> >> >> Quoting Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : Fernando >> Gonzalez Gentile once said: >> >> >>> John - you don't seem as scared as I am :-) >>> >>> Do you think problem is at grisoft or at microsoft ? >>> >>> Should we go through Restore System ? >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >>> jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: >>> >>>> same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in >>>> downloaded it again still same problem John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >>> >> >> >> One Happy Snapper, >> jv >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 07:19 p.m. >> >> >> >> > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03/07/2008 07:19 p.m. > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 10:28:48 2008 Received: (qmail 28637 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 08:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 08:28:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D34C278E; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C215C34DB for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 248.red-80-39-129.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([80.39.129.248]:55596 helo=[192.168.2.100]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KUdcm-0004dz-9B (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:28:33 +0000 Message-Id: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, olympus@ml.free.fr, Picture a Day discussion group Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] IMG: Berlin gallery Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:28:30 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 10:28:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7e14044241838542571 I have now uploaded a more complete gallery of last week's trip to Berlin. There is a bit of overlap with some of the PAW images I posted the other day, but there is a lot of other stuff too: http://www.frozenlight.eu/berlin0808/ As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 10:49:09 2008 Received: (qmail 12360 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 08:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 08:49:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A04C36ED; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:48:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:48:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FF4C36F4 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27069 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 08:48:51 -0000 Message-ID: <48A7E5F3.8080308@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:48:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Berlin gallery References: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 10:49:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7e60530917927319144 Ah, you saved some of the best for last and the crop works Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have now uploaded a more complete gallery of last week's trip to > Berlin. There is a bit of overlap with some of the PAW images I posted > the other day, but there is a lot of other stuff too: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/berlin0808/ > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 11:10:14 2008 Received: (qmail 16852 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 09:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 09:10:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C798DC35CE; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A662C2E6D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1020542wah.17 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:09:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VpKWRPJ1bqbhU12HsPQTlLNlaXcdA82pFP4XbVrDKxo=; b=GtNlvktEsy089izNGqk9n2mqAY40d1isUgZSC1owBDQB4SWXCqObER0ns2X42l8u2f XDf8k0jN3rEu0nJuKnLkjcuwtXbg7V+rkxH9fdIrA3p6230kRJrdfRlQ8JrFpvprQJXM ZsRe9V6S1yhaT1sX2YTF2RZwcGQn/tfauuzFc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QCVmVdwhICfWdGlyjrKZmpc9WXT/VtWmhU4y0HVB3HUUHJA7HgZLryfpGCm1TDDffM wWRiJia5zur5WlqpMbERrElHZ+a8DxT0TDBOdH7YXcd6vXuoTvcYS539X3mxX/5q0qBi xd39m+hk+QHMlfnqUTCukh8RGiTFxohLj/UC0= Received: by 10.114.185.8 with SMTP id i8mr4092536waf.28.1218964199356; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l38sm1477766waf.1.2008.08.17.02.09.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A7EADE.5090200@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:09:50 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Berlin gallery References: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 11:10:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7eaf6119331234514069 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have now uploaded a more complete gallery of last week's trip to > Berlin. There is a bit of overlap with some of the PAW images I posted > the other day, but there is a lot of other stuff too: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/berlin0808/ Oh, yeah, that's the good stuff: http://www.frozenlight.eu/berlin0808/content/_8063627_large.html Well done, Nathan. What was the Memorial like? Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 11:47:00 2008 Received: (qmail 18295 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 09:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 09:46:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E130C319E; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F072C2AD8 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13711 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 09:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.177.103) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 09:46:45 -0000 Message-ID: <48A7F382.2030201@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:46:42 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Africa References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> <4B5BF50D-DCED-4DD7-B3DD-232F42C3DE28@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <4B5BF50D-DCED-4DD7-B3DD-232F42C3DE28@threeshoes.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 11:47:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7f3949891234514069 Chris Barker wrote: > Dear me! There's quite a deal of distortion, Moose. I have never noticed ... > > Thanks for enlightening me. > Count on Moose to let you know about trouble you never knew you had. ;-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 11:55:56 2008 Received: (qmail 12915 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 09:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 09:55:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4090DC399D; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9531AC3943 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6E5C971D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:10:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A7F382.2030201@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:55:42 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> <4B5BF50D-DCED-4DD7-B3DD-232F42C3DE28@threeshoes.net> <48A7F382.2030201@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 11:55:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7f5ac175081591313764 Yes indeed, bye bye happy ignorance! :-) Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 10:46, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> Dear me! There's quite a deal of distortion, Moose. I have never >> noticed ... >> >> Thanks for enlightening me. >> > Count on Moose to let you know about trouble you never knew you > had. ;-) > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 12:00:03 2008 Received: (qmail 23564 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 10:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 10:00:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438C1C37D5; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:59:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:59:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7DEC378B for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:59:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BE3C97C7 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:15:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Berlin gallery Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:59:50 +0100 References: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 12:00:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a7f6a355631073733319 I liked that tour, thanks, Nathan. I've never been to Berlin ... Now, what was imprecise about Sommerpause? Was it that it was a hand- written notice? Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 09:28, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > I have now uploaded a more complete gallery of last week's trip to > Berlin. There is a bit of overlap with some of the PAW images I posted > the other day, but there is a lot of other stuff too: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/berlin0808/ > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 13:03:54 2008 Received: (qmail 29226 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 11:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 11:03:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED1FC3320; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:03:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:03:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F280C3047 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:03:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E74AB0696 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:03:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OBszni7-U0Go for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:03:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69B5B06CF for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:03:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from c211-30-67-111.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au ([211.30.67.111] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KUg2q-0001Cq-03 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:03:36 +1000 Message-Id: <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Saturday in Gladesville Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:03:35 +1000 References: <6BB14B4F-DAED-45C9-A00B-7C923DBD6839@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 13:03:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8059a138041499373980 Hi Took my new OM Zuiko 100mm / 2.8 out for a spin on Saturday - well, actually I took my daughter out for a walk and decided to take the new lens along... attached to my wife's Canon Digital Rebel XT. Hadn't used the lens before - or the camera combination. *Really* like the lens. Enjoyed the digital side of things too... although the high ISO side of things wasn't too pretty. Could accelerate plans for my wife's upgrade to a 5D. Anyway, they're here: http://gallery.me.com/brent_rutherford/100056 Brent ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 13:08:51 2008 Received: (qmail 28190 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 11:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 11:08:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D16C3612; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net (relay02-amenmail.uk.clara.net [80.168.101.22]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF42C30CE for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 248.red-80-39-129.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([80.39.129.248]:55725 helo=[192.168.2.100]) by relay02-mail.uk.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [195.8.80.33]:251) with esmtpsa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1KUg7i-0002RU-9W (Exim 4.69) for olympus@ml.free.fr (return-path ); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:08:39 +0000 Message-Id: <7F74668E-A2F6-485F-AEC3-13F5C74BC83F@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Berlin gallery Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:08:37 +0200 References: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: photo@frozenlight.eu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 13:08:51 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a806c3296654673671140 Thanks for looking, Chris. As for my "German precision" comment, the sign reads: "We are on summer holiday and expect to re-open in September". No date, just September. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > I liked that tour, thanks, Nathan. I've never been to Berlin ... > > Now, what was imprecise about Sommerpause? Was it that it was a hand- > written notice? > > Chris > > On 17 Aug 2008, at 09:28, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> >> I have now uploaded a more complete gallery of last week's trip to >> Berlin. There is a bit of overlap with some of the PAW images I >> posted >> the other day, but there is a lot of other stuff too: >> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu/berlin0808/ >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 13:27:35 2008 Received: (qmail 17875 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 11:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 11:27:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C19C3B00; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40EEC3DA2 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:26:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15963 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 11:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 11:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <48A80ADB.1080000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:26:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Saturday in Gladesville References: <6BB14B4F-DAED-45C9-A00B-7C923DBD6839@threeshoes.net> <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> In-Reply-To: <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 13:27:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a80b2743881591313764 Some nice shots there. I especially liked the sun through the clouds. How did you handle exposure and focusing for the football action? Chuck Norcutt Brent wrote: > Hi > > Took my new OM Zuiko 100mm / 2.8 out for a spin on Saturday - well, > actually I took my daughter out for a walk and decided to take the new > lens along... attached to my wife's Canon Digital Rebel XT. > > Hadn't used the lens before - or the camera combination. > > *Really* like the lens. Enjoyed the digital side of things too... > although the high ISO side of things wasn't too pretty. Could > accelerate plans for my wife's upgrade to a 5D. > > Anyway, they're here: > > http://gallery.me.com/brent_rutherford/100056 > > Brent > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 14:02:43 2008 Received: (qmail 7139 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 12:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 12:02:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCC0C3031; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:02:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:02:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A39C342A for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:02:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53D0461532 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:16:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <7F74668E-A2F6-485F-AEC3-13F5C74BC83F@frozenlight.eu> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Berlin gallery Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:02:30 +0100 References: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> <7F74668E-A2F6-485F-AEC3-13F5C74BC83F@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 14:02:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8136389651035110158 Ah, thanks. We're off to the Harz mountains for our Sommerpause (:-)) in a couple of weeks. I'll be on the lookout for more precision, as well as some decent shots, of course. We plan to travel on the steam trains, so I'm looking forward to some shots of some lovely countryside. We're also going to have a wander through parts of the Thüringerwald; the last time we were there was only a few years after the Wall came down, when it was relatively unspoiled. I wonder what we will find now ... Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 12:08, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Thanks for looking, Chris. > > As for my "German precision" comment, the sign reads: "We are on > summer holiday and expect to re-open in September". No date, just > September. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 16:24:08 2008 Received: (qmail 21103 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 14:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 14:24:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92F9C35E5; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE88C30F1 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1747997yxj.89 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Fuh5qbpUxJBumN0t1ILFQ57/C/AkXGTg6/l3kbUyS/c=; b=ORqPuU+LLL/d4B3JCymT0p9c/O4EXyguq5Gh40338WHOQx+93QT2oYWLK4iaxeRLvD PJHWKE9WjPwwhJOCY8jdSUfwLzmMCffQH6455kBZLKPkAgS940yl8XRmAtvR96QxHeeO h4vDyXL073bqrR9mnKIacrzRbtvLG/BiZ+cTs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rPz+AqnafD/hIGOIPgACucIwPWNLY/JBxwTi1RP74nSah6Lhoe9MSN0oIDhZSd9Mwc 3ehpJDANMi1jQqtFHXEe7VuHD0F7TJOin0l9rstbKFD6oc/QYBTf5GhWXIrQmW/yaH7L iEKPtJX9zqErGw0xbO3oee7oLVe06HD1bhBNc= Received: by 10.150.186.21 with SMTP id j21mr7769959ybf.143.1218983034830; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.146.10 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:23:54 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? In-Reply-To: <48A7C09E.7020106@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <19010725.post@talk.nabble.com> <48A6D61B.20507@chucknorcutt.com> <48A7C09E.7020106@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3bbf46775070c10c X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 16:24:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a83488226097350615338 One issue that I'm choking on is that the calculations for diffraction limitations are not accounting for asperical element lens designs. A modern lens is almost always utilizing aspherical elements which do not expand the diameter of the airy disk in a linear manner. You can see this very clearly when comparing bokeh of one lens to another lens even though they are the same focal length and the subject-sensor distance remains the same. I have said repeatably that modern lenses seem to have a "zone of focus" vs a "plane of focus". For example, a classic, old 50/1.8 may have a plane of focus only two centimeters thick at 1 meter subject-film distance, but a modern zoom may have that plane of focus that is effectively four or five centimeters thick. If the optical engineers have been able to accomodate this, it is entirely possible that they've "gamed the system" to exceed the theoretical limits of diffraction. A classic lens design is pretty straight-forward. Especially so if the lens is symmetrical. However, newer lenses are actually extremely different. For example, that symmetrical 50mm lens is truely a 50mm lens front to back. But a modern lens (zoom or fixed) could actually be a 100mm lens with a 1/2 multiplyer mechanism to give an effective 50mm focal length. Now, imagine with me a lens design that is, say 50mm, but has the diffraction characteristics of a 100mm lens. I believe this is exactly what the optical engineers have been able to do. Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 16:50:52 2008 Received: (qmail 2970 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 14:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 14:50:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40A0C2CA6; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta15.adelphia.net (mta15.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.77]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C22DC2C9A for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20080817144904.QSW2677.mta15.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:49:04 -0400 Message-ID: <48A83ABD.9010202@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:50:37 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <48A7997A.2050802@roadrunner.com> <184BF9B20DA74E9EB8506EF377FC4CA4@jimnichols> In-Reply-To: <184BF9B20DA74E9EB8506EF377FC4CA4@jimnichols> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 16:50:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a83acb142722336821329 I will have to try to install SP3 without auto update. Thanks Jim. Dick Jim Nichols wrote: > I installed SP3 of my own initiative in June, and it worked fine from the > beginning. I had heard of problems when it was done as an Automatic Update. > > I use Automatic Update regularly, and have really had very little trouble > with it. It is nice to know that System Restore is there in the event of a > problem. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 17:07:25 2008 Received: (qmail 12323 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 15:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 15:07:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20C7C3240; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CA3C3806 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:06:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0709010F56CD for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cHmeqpOzqHz9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5560A10F56BE for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <92EBA2FA-42EA-497E-9AE5-DA8D0EE6D100@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080817014204.00B52C2CF2@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:00:58 -0700 References: <20080817014204.00B52C2CF2@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 17:07:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a83ead228631257536491 > From: Rob Harrison > > I think the hot folder is an Automator script. Here, try this: http://automator.us/leopard/aperture/pkg/hotfolder.zip Haven't used it much, but it did appear to work when I tried it. Supposedly, you can simulate tethered shooting for brain-dead vendors (like Olympus) who have proprietary communication protocols. :::: Apple's market share does provide us with an accurate reading of the percentage of reasonable people in our society. -- Roger Ebert :::: :::: Jan Steinman :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 17:20:19 2008 Received: (qmail 31945 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 15:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 15:20:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A814C2CA2; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:20:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:20:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA4AC2BBC for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19242 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 15:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 15:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48A841A4.2000801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:20:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Does your sensor out-resolve your lens? References: <48A415B5.1020807@chucknorcutt.com> <19010725.post@talk.nabble.com> <48A6D61B.20507@chucknorcutt.com> <48A7C09E.7020106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 17:20:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a841b395422070262475 I think you should have some more coffee and rethink your position. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > One issue that I'm choking on is that the calculations for diffraction > limitations are not accounting for asperical element lens designs. A modern > lens is almost always utilizing aspherical elements which do not expand the > diameter of the airy disk in a linear manner. You can see this very clearly > when comparing bokeh of one lens to another lens even though they are the > same focal length and the subject-sensor distance remains the same. > > I have said repeatably that modern lenses seem to have a "zone of focus" vs > a "plane of focus". For example, a classic, old 50/1.8 may have a plane of > focus only two centimeters thick at 1 meter subject-film distance, but a > modern zoom may have that plane of focus that is effectively four or five > centimeters thick. If the optical engineers have been able to accomodate > this, it is entirely possible that they've "gamed the system" to exceed the > theoretical limits of diffraction. > > A classic lens design is pretty straight-forward. Especially so if the lens > is symmetrical. However, newer lenses are actually extremely different. For > example, that symmetrical 50mm lens is truely a 50mm lens front to back. > But a modern lens (zoom or fixed) could actually be a 100mm lens with a 1/2 > multiplyer mechanism to give an effective 50mm focal length. > > Now, imagine with me a lens design that is, say 50mm, but has > the diffraction characteristics of a 100mm lens. I believe this is exactly > what the optical engineers have been able to do. > > > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 18:02:43 2008 Received: (qmail 25485 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 16:02:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC43C336F; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:02:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [207.115.11.54]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E991C290D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080817160112H040097qv0e>; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:01:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: <2DDCDD90AF714FB8A84DEEA6B5037F67@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <9C203847-E622-4CA0-8665-35CF4885957B@frozenlight.eu> Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Berlin gallery Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:01:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 18:02:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a84ba3271694673671140 Nathan, That is a very nice collection to commemorate your family gathering and other adventures in Berlin. Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; ; "Picture a Day discussion group" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:28 AM Subject: [OM] IMG: Berlin gallery > > I have now uploaded a more complete gallery of last week's trip to > Berlin. There is a bit of overlap with some of the PAW images I posted > the other day, but there is a lot of other stuff too: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/berlin0808/ > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 18:39:10 2008 Received: (qmail 20652 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 16:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 16:39:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D892CC2864; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:38:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:38:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66838C37A7 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:38:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D83D3140C0 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9DD3140BF for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A8541E.2040207@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:38:54 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 08/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 18:39:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8542e143801499373980 > > I'm playing with a slick new plugin, Maperture, which tags your images > with location when you feed it a GPS track log. Combine that with one > of these newfangled GPS USP dongles that run for a week or so on a > couple AAA cells... won't be long before GPS is built into cameras. Who needs wires or dongles. I have one of these. Just toss it on the dash or in a pocket. Batteries don't last a week though. How does it tag images to a track? With the time stamp? Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 19:17:44 2008 Received: (qmail 30328 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 17:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 17:17:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AC5C290B; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D052C331C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:17:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208B13140A7; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C278E314094; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:17:25 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 , Fernando Gonzalez Gentile Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 08/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 19:17:44 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a85d3873371529615919 Fernando, I had nothing but trouble with AVG8 so I switched to Avast! (avast.com) So far no problems but an annoying prompt to register for another year (free) Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 19:24:49 2008 Received: (qmail 13141 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 17:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 17:24:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3626BC3449; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB921C2FD5 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB123140BF for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E5F3140BE for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:24:34 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 08/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 19:24:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a85ee025225368819438 > > Imagine going days without seeing much humanity except > truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. > That's why we go. Except there aren't any truck stops, dog tracks or fast food joints. It is reassuring to know such places still exist in the world. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 19:25:10 2008 Received: (qmail 29865 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 17:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 17:25:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D08C32F7; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5F1C3239 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:24:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25562 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 17:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 17:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:24:56 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 19:25:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a85ef6198111869477228 I'm on XP SP3 and have had no problems with AVG8. Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: > Fernando, I had nothing but trouble with AVG8 so I switched to Avast! > (avast.com) So far no problems but an annoying prompt to register for > another year (free) > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 19:33:25 2008 Received: (qmail 10734 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 17:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 17:33:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA15C2BC2; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:33:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B188C35E6 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:33:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29716 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 17:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 17:33:02 -0000 Message-ID: <48A860CE.9020008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:33:02 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture References: <48A8541E.2040207@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A8541E.2040207@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 19:33:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a860e5234531234514069 Yes, software (much open source stuff available) reads the track and correlates coordinates with time stamps from the track and the EXIF. But I was sorely disappointed to discover that my GPS (Garmin 350) doesn't record tracks or, probably more correct, doesn't provide any access to them. Briefly looking over the Garmin line it appeared to me that the units which provided tracks were those designed for hikers. Units designed for automobile travel appear to be crippled in that respect. I sent a message to Garmin telling them that I'd be willing to pay for a firmware update but they've ignored me so far. Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: > Who needs wires or dongles. I have one of these. > > Just toss it on the dash or in a pocket. Batteries don't last a week though. > > How does it tag images to a track? With the time stamp? > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 19:34:36 2008 Received: (qmail 23712 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 17:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 17:34:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F24C2CC4; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4049C2BDE for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:34:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30316 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 17:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 17:34:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:34:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 19:34:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8612c28062046811720 Where is this? Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: >> Imagine going days without seeing much humanity except >> truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. >> > That's why we go. Except there aren't any truck stops, dog tracks or > fast food joints. It is reassuring to know such places still exist in > the world. > > Mike > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 20:17:27 2008 Received: (qmail 13129 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 18:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 18:17:26 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BD4C2DD2; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CFAC345E for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080817181712.LALX11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:17:12 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3WHC1a0023Hz7l802WHCaJ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c90113$95331890$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <48A8541E.2040207@interisland.net> Subject: [OM] Re: iView =>MS Expression Media => Aperture Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:19:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 20:17:27 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a86b3761149347015869 won't be long before GPS is built into cameras. Mike, The new Nikon P6000 (the G9 killer?) will include built in GPS. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 20:19:07 2008 Received: (qmail 14200 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 18:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 18:19:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D359C3253; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:18:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:18:55 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A71FC3285 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080817181853.FVEG22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:18:53 -0400 Received: from youra9279112e3 ([68.103.240.152]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3WJt1a0053Hz7l802WJtqG; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c90113$d1a6dd70$98f06744@youra9279112e3> From: "Bill Pearce" To: References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:21:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bs.pearce@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 20:19:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a86b9b54811529615919 It is reassuring to know such places still exist in the world. Mike OK, just like western Kansas and eastern Colorado, but with poorer roads and more scenery. Bill Pearce ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 20:28:15 2008 Received: (qmail 19259 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 18:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 18:28:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9417C38D3; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17704C313B for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080817183215.HQBW20419.mta10.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:32:15 -0400 Message-ID: <48A86DB1.8030308@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:28:01 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 20:28:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a86dbf295031234514069 I will now download the latest version of AVG8 and see how much trouble I get into. Dick Mike wrote: > Fernando, I had nothing but trouble with AVG8 so I switched to Avast! > (avast.com) So far no problems but an annoying prompt to register for > another year (free) > > Mike > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 20:34:03 2008 Received: (qmail 32756 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 18:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 18:34:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BEAC2D4C; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:33:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:33:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E2CC28EC for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:33:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-6-15.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.6.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7HIXGhb004142 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:33:31 -0300 Message-ID: <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:33:15 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 17/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 20:34:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a86f1b216351869477228 The gossip here is that people who upgraded are having "troubles". Could be nonsense, but that's what I've heard. Being a newbie in windows, I tend to avoid any suspected "trouble". Aside of the AVG8 issue (so far I found Avast! to be superior) - what is supposed to improve sp3 ? Reading Wiki this morning, and there are 'some' reasons but, are they enough ? Thanks all for your help. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'm on XP SP3 and have had no problems with AVG8. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Mike wrote: > >> Fernando, I had nothing but trouble with AVG8 so I switched to Avast! >> (avast.com) So far no problems but an annoying prompt to register for >> another year (free) >> >> Mike >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 20:50:58 2008 Received: (qmail 23098 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 18:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 18:50:57 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF549C31BA; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:50:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:50:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AF1C2C79 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:50:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2275 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 18:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.160.56) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 18:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:50:36 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 20:50:58 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a87312214681234514069 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Where is this? > Read the URL. Eastern Oregon, Oct. and May of 2007. Moose >> http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/E%20OR/Oct07/FtRock054.jpg >> http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/E%20OR/May07/E36-640x480.jpg >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 22:11:42 2008 Received: (qmail 1692 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 20:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 20:11:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4CEC386D; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4882C2897 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.20] (really [74.75.80.44]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080817201833.SIPU4520.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.20]> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:11:25 -0400 From: Richard Ociepka User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ociepka@roadrunner.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 22:11:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a885fe283338512572685 Just updated AVG8 to version 138 without any problems. > (so far I found Avast! to be superior) Maybe I will give Avast a try. Thanks Dick Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > The gossip here is that people who upgraded are having "troubles". > Could be nonsense, but that's what I've heard. > Being a newbie in windows, I tend to avoid any suspected "trouble". > > Aside of the AVG8 issue (so far I found Avast! to be superior) - what is > supposed to improve sp3 ? > Reading Wiki this morning, and there are 'some' reasons but, are they > enough ? > > Thanks all for your help. > > Fernando. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 22:35:15 2008 Received: (qmail 25276 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 20:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 20:35:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AB0C386D; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26056C3C1C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14048 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 20:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 20:35:01 -0000 Message-ID: <48A88B75.6060800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:35:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 22:35:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a88b83172382046811720 It's not for you to decide whether to move to SP3 or not. You don't have the information necessary to that decision. It most assuredly contains security fixes at minimum so take it at least for that. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > The gossip here is that people who upgraded are having "troubles". > Could be nonsense, but that's what I've heard. > Being a newbie in windows, I tend to avoid any suspected "trouble". > > Aside of the AVG8 issue (so far I found Avast! to be superior) - what is > supposed to improve sp3 ? > Reading Wiki this morning, and there are 'some' reasons but, are they > enough ? > > Thanks all for your help. > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I'm on XP SP3 and have had no problems with AVG8. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Mike wrote: >> >>> Fernando, I had nothing but trouble with AVG8 so I switched to Avast! >>> (avast.com) So far no problems but an annoying prompt to register for >>> another year (free) >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 22:36:12 2008 Received: (qmail 838 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 20:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 20:36:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26C4C3721; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:35:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:35:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mxsf04.insightbb.com (mxsf04.insightbb.com [74.128.0.74]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CA5C3184 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:35:58 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,224,1217822400"; d="scan'208";a="485744647" Received: from unknown (HELO asav03.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.124]) by mxsf04.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 17 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoAAJ8nqEisH/l8/2dsb2JhbAAIglmvX4FY Received: from unknown (HELO mta3.manage.insightcom.com) ([172.31.249.124]) by asav03.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 17 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0400 Received: from insightbb.com ([172.31.249.124]) by mta3.manage.insightcom.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K5R00EBHIJWC2X0@mta3.manage.insightcom.com> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.31.249.178] (Forwarded-For: [172.31.249.178]) by msb0.manage.insightcom.com (mshttpd); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0400 From: Robert Burnette Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! In-reply-to: <48A77D34.808@adinet.com.uy> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> <48A77B23.9040203@roadrunner.com> <48A77D34.808@adinet.com.uy> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: r.burnette@insightbb.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 22:36:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a88bbc67717927319144 Fernando: I had missing a problem when I downloaded AVG8 also. When I checked it with Norton's WinDoctor it said that it could not access a certain file. I forget which one. I recall that it ended with 80. I can look later, but I am using Parallels on a MacBook Pro and I am heading out the door in a minute or two.  I use AVG and have always been happy with it, but I also use Zone Alarm. I have used it for years and I have never had a problem with it on my PC. It is another free program, although they also offer a Pro version which costs you.  You might give it a try. Robert  Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008 21:22 Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! To: olympus@ml.free.fr > > Already downloaded and installed avg8 - problem remains. no > antivirus now. > > o.k. - will go the restore way .... searching google for some 5 > missing  .dll Piriform CCleaner has identified - is entering hell. > > shall take my dog for a walk, then I will restore - if someone > has a bettter idea please email me. > > Fernando. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 22:36:23 2008 Received: (qmail 30375 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 20:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 20:36:23 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681B6C3502; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C600BC2FDB for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:36:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14462 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 20:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 20:36:02 -0000 Message-ID: <48A88BB1.7020709@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:36:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 22:36:23 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a88bc770277927319144 If you say so. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Where is this? >> > Read the URL. Eastern Oregon, Oct. and May of 2007. > > Moose >>> http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/E%20OR/Oct07/FtRock054.jpg >>> http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/E%20OR/May07/E36-640x480.jpg ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 22:44:09 2008 Received: (qmail 16839 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 20:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 20:44:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D888C37F8; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:43:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:43:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7A6C3EE3 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:43:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-46-113.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.46.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7HKhiCm010724 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:43:48 -0300 Message-ID: <48A88D81.9070602@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:43:45 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 17/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 22:44:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a88d9910083675314703 I thought problems with AVG free could be related to sp2 -> sp3 upgrade. Just received an email where someone I trust tells me he's on sp3 but had lots of troubles with AVG, and switched to Avast! too. In my experience, problems with AVG free don't show up until some weeks of use. Failing to launch was the first I experienced, then came this missing .bin. Either Chuck knows very well the guts of xp or avg - or he's a lucky guy ;^) Fernando. Richard Ociepka wrote: > Just updated AVG8 to version 138 without any problems. > > > (so far I found Avast! to be superior) > > Maybe I will give Avast a try. > Thanks > > Dick > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> The gossip here is that people who upgraded are having "troubles". >> Could be nonsense, but that's what I've heard. >> Being a newbie in windows, I tend to avoid any suspected "trouble". >> >> Aside of the AVG8 issue (so far I found Avast! to be superior) - what is >> supposed to improve sp3 ? >> Reading Wiki this morning, and there are 'some' reasons but, are they >> enough ? >> >> Thanks all for your help. >> >> Fernando. >> > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:05:32 2008 Received: (qmail 27328 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:05:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A34C2E3B; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:05:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:05:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE05C2E51 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:05:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A0A461665 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:18:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <680A99D1-966E-4B89-8750-B0CFAEF20525@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Saturday in Gladesville Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:05:18 +0100 References: <6BB14B4F-DAED-45C9-A00B-7C923DBD6839@threeshoes.net> <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:05:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8929c316482336821329 Those pics look good, Brent. Everything is clean and clear. Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 12:03, Brent wrote: > > Took my new OM Zuiko 100mm / 2.8 out for a spin on Saturday - well, > actually I took my daughter out for a walk and decided to take the new > lens along... attached to my wife's Canon Digital Rebel XT. > > Hadn't used the lens before - or the camera combination. > > *Really* like the lens. Enjoyed the digital side of things too... > although the high ISO side of things wasn't too pretty. Could > accelerate plans for my wife's upgrade to a 5D. > > Anyway, they're here: > > http://gallery.me.com/brent_rutherford/100056 ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:11:04 2008 Received: (qmail 25812 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E905C303B; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:10:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:10:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63A4C2D20 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:10:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF07461667 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:24:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Africa Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:10:51 +0100 References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:11:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a893e8109982046811720 I forgot to explain this, Moose. It is my mother's property in the Algarve where she lives with my stepfather in an old farm house with a small building next door. This building was converted to a sort of gite by a Dutchman called Willem so she called it Willem's House. And I have made a website for her: http://www.willhouse.eu/ There: random photo of Willem's house now explained ... :-) Chris On 17 Aug 2008, at 00:08, Moose wrote: > Nice. I particularly like Huts Brightlingsea #1 and the door and > church > in Portugal. And one can't pass by Willem's house without a pic. ;-) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:13:00 2008 Received: (qmail 16205 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:12:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6339FC3395; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:12:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:12:48 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D28C32F9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:12:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 19471 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 21:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.141.1.67) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 21:12:46 -0000 Message-ID: <48A89449.7090906@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:12:41 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> <48A88BB1.7020709@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A88BB1.7020709@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:13:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8945c129443675314703 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > If you say so. > OK, I'll take my logic further. Mike has written and posted images at least twice about a search for ancestors's graves in the E. Oregon desert. - I know roughly what that area looks like. - the URLs say "E%20OR/Oct07" and "E%20OR/May07" ...further - One URL says "FtRock", and Fort Rock is in the Oregon desert. QED Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:19:32 2008 Received: (qmail 32724 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:19:31 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63320C3893; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:19:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:19:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022B9C3614 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:19:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0650B0415 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:19:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ueV7cGO+3-G for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:19:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A35B0612 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:19:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from [17.86.55.227] by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KUpeb-0005EO-3s for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:19:13 +1000 Message-Id: <858C82FD-23AE-404F-A8DD-A209CADAE13F@wildskies.net> From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A80ADB.1080000@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Saturday in Gladesville Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:19:11 +1000 References: <6BB14B4F-DAED-45C9-A00B-7C923DBD6839@threeshoes.net> <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> <48A80ADB.1080000@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:19:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a895e4259742046811720 Thanks. For the football I was up on either 800 or 1600 ISO - with the lens set to about f5.6 - then just a lot of trying to anticipate where the ball would be going... I wasn't able to move around as much as I would have liked, with my little daughter tagging along wondering why we were just sitting still looking at the 'kick ball', rather than actually kicking a ball, but the multiplying effect of the digital sensor gave the 100mm a good boost. Brent On 17/08/2008, at 9:26 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: Some nice shots there. I especially liked the sun through the clouds. How did you handle exposure and focusing for the football action? Chuck Norcutt Brent wrote: > Hi > > Took my new OM Zuiko 100mm / 2.8 out for a spin on Saturday - well, > actually I took my daughter out for a walk and decided to take the new > lens along... attached to my wife's Canon Digital Rebel XT. > > Hadn't used the lens before - or the camera combination. > > *Really* like the lens. Enjoyed the digital side of things too... > although the high ISO side of things wasn't too pretty. Could > accelerate plans for my wife's upgrade to a 5D. > > Anyway, they're here: > > http://gallery.me.com/brent_rutherford/100056 > > Brent > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:26:50 2008 Received: (qmail 24983 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:26:50 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C25C39F5; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:26:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:26:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC89C36CA for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26905 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 21:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.201.35) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 21:26:37 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8977B.5000407@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:26:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Saturday in Gladesville References: <6BB14B4F-DAED-45C9-A00B-7C923DBD6839@threeshoes.net> <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> In-Reply-To: <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:26:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8979a302218512572685 Brent wrote: > Took my new OM Zuiko 100mm / 2.8 out for a spin on Saturday - well, actually I took my daughter out for a walk and decided to take the new lens along... attached to my wife's Canon Digital Rebel XT. > > Hadn't used the lens before - or the camera combination. > Nice set of images. The clouds with sun shining through is a classic. > *Really* like the lens. Enjoyed the digital side of things too... although the high ISO side of things wasn't too pretty. Could accelerate plans for my wife's upgrade to a 5D. > Not to keep anyone from a 5D, it's quite a wonderful camera. I'm very happy I've had it. Short of that, or until that, give NeatImage a try. It did wonders for noise on the 300D that preceded my 5D. > Anyway, they're here: > http://gallery.me.com/brent_rutherford/100056 > What a goofy gallery application. Of three horizontal images I checked, it showed one at the original 1024x684, resized one to 1022x682 and the other to 1021x681. All with large expanses of unused space available around them. They pay people to write this crap?! Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:31:13 2008 Received: (qmail 23523 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:31:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D4CC2AA6; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:31:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84670C2E17 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:30:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30005 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 21:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.201.35) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 21:30:56 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8988B.5050105@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:30:51 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> <48A88BB1.7020709@chucknorcutt.com> <48A89449.7090906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A89449.7090906@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:31:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a898a1327181702588592 Oops, forgot the link. Moose wrote: > .... > - One URL says "FtRock", and Fort Rock is in the Oregon desert. > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:38:21 2008 Received: (qmail 18328 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:38:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D689C3CC8; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665D1C3B2D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:38:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1512 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 21:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.141.1.52) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 21:38:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48A89A37.8000602@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:37:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Africa References: <196601c8fa6e$e2171810$9fdc794c@miraclenay7zrg> <48A0CA8D.9020200@chucknorcutt.com> <07ED4527-9E3B-4727-A3C2-3ED9D1F726E1@mac.com> <58DE88B6-0316-4215-A93F-19CA72A801D0@mac.com> <5984FCA7-96AF-4704-A390-062F95093A66@mac.com> <48A686F5.6030800@gmail.com> <8D106091-5798-4881-8888-B644A25A65F1@threeshoes.net> <48A75DF0.1070700@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:38:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a89a4d133549117217770 Chris Barker wrote: > I forgot to explain this, Moose. It is my mother's property in the Algarve where she lives with my stepfather in an old farm house with a small building next door. This building was converted to a sort of gite by a Dutchman called Willem so she called it Willem's House. And I have made a website for her: > > http://www.willhouse.eu/ > > There: random photo of Willem's house now explained ... :-) > An attractive web site, very inviting. And here I thought you took a shot of something you ran across, thinking of our list member. I would have, if I ran across that. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:40:39 2008 Received: (qmail 4689 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:40:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E73BC35DD; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:40:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307F5C3EE4 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3UhE1a03w0bG4ec53ZgNTe; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:40:22 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.20.249.190]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3ZgM1a00L47DJWo3PZgNQv; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:40:22 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pWfza2NlAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Y6DTh6mEz0XpnifE-54A:9 a=aRmD_Daw5EoIa3EEuEsA:7 a=kr7uBgqzw1cZ8rOvOSgBePZkgAYA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Message-ID: <1620FCD95351472586FA07A85AC80A47@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> <48A88D81.9070602@adinet.com.uy> Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:40:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: d.rhein@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:40:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a89ad739281744846740 I'm on sp3 with AVG8 also, and have been since May. I've only had one issue, and it was the fault of a MS security update that wasn't compitable with AVG. When I installed the update, I couldn't get online anymore. So, I uninstalled it and contacted MS support. They were already aware of the problem and AVG was working on an update to fix it. MS support notified me when the AVG update was ready, I downloaded it, then re-installed the MS update and all has been well. It might be a good idea to contact MS support and see if they can help. Darin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! > > I thought problems with AVG free could be related to sp2 -> sp3 upgrade. > Just received an email where someone I trust tells me he's on sp3 but > had lots of troubles with AVG, and switched to Avast! too. > > In my experience, problems with AVG free don't show up until some weeks > of use. > > Failing to launch was the first I experienced, then came this missing > .bin. > > Either Chuck knows very well the guts of xp or avg - or he's a lucky guy > ;^) > > Fernando. > > Richard Ociepka wrote: >> Just updated AVG8 to version 138 without any problems. >> >> > (so far I found Avast! to be superior) >> >> Maybe I will give Avast a try. >> Thanks >> >> Dick >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> The gossip here is that people who upgraded are having "troubles". >>> Could be nonsense, but that's what I've heard. >>> Being a newbie in windows, I tend to avoid any suspected "trouble". >>> >>> Aside of the AVG8 issue (so far I found Avast! to be superior) - what is >>> supposed to improve sp3 ? >>> Reading Wiki this morning, and there are 'some' reasons but, are they >>> enough ? >>> >>> Thanks all for your help. >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >> >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1617 - Release Date: 8/17/2008 > 12:58 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Sun Aug 17 23:44:46 2008 Received: (qmail 28487 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 21:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 21:44:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D86C3710; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:44:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BF0C3F43 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4942 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 21:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.204.44) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 21:44:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48A89BB1.5000003@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:44:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A77769.5070706@adinet.com.uy> <48A77B23.9040203@roadrunner.com> <48A77D34.808@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Aug 17 23:44:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a89bce155978512572685 Robert Burnette wrote: > ..., but I also use Zone Alarm. I have used it for years and I have never had a problem with it on my PC. It is another free program, although they also offer a Pro version which costs you. > I've also used ZoneAlarm for many years, and it's always been rock solid. When I abandoned my long used AV, Norton, in disgust at what it had become, I bought a three pack of ZA's full package, including AV/Malware for $0 after rebate. I've been pleased enough with it that I paid for the renewal of the AV/Malware updates on my main machine. When the license expired on the laptop and backup machine, I may go back to the free ZA firewall and try avast. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 00:22:46 2008 Received: (qmail 14013 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 22:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 22:22:45 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7897C3665; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:22:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:22:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31003C3385 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:22:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26353 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 22:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 22:22:31 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8A4A7.7000405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:22:31 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> <48A88D81.9070602@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A88D81.9070602@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 00:22:46 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8a4b6251902070262475 I installed AVG 8 on July 5. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I thought problems with AVG free could be related to sp2 -> sp3 upgrade. > Just received an email where someone I trust tells me he's on sp3 but > had lots of troubles with AVG, and switched to Avast! too. > > In my experience, problems with AVG free don't show up until some weeks > of use. > > Failing to launch was the first I experienced, then came this missing .bin. > > Either Chuck knows very well the guts of xp or avg - or he's a lucky guy ;^) > > Fernando. > > Richard Ociepka wrote: >> Just updated AVG8 to version 138 without any problems. >> >> > (so far I found Avast! to be superior) >> >> Maybe I will give Avast a try. >> Thanks >> >> Dick >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> The gossip here is that people who upgraded are having "troubles". >>> Could be nonsense, but that's what I've heard. >>> Being a newbie in windows, I tend to avoid any suspected "trouble". >>> >>> Aside of the AVG8 issue (so far I found Avast! to be superior) - what is >>> supposed to improve sp3 ? >>> Reading Wiki this morning, and there are 'some' reasons but, are they >>> enough ? >>> >>> Thanks all for your help. >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 00:27:00 2008 Received: (qmail 9617 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 22:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 22:26:59 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B24C3516; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:26:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:26:47 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FF0C3317 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:26:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28184 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 22:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 22:26:46 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8A5A6.30804@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:26:46 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> <48A88BB1.7020709@chucknorcutt.com> <48A89449.7090906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A89449.7090906@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 00:27:00 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8a5b487961234514069 Didn't work for me who has never been in the Oregon desert and has never heard of Ft. Rock. I didn't recall Mike's search for ancestors in the E. Oregon desert until you mentioned it just now. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> If you say so. >> > OK, I'll take my logic further. > > Mike has written and posted images at least twice about a search for > ancestors's graves in the E. Oregon desert. > > - I know roughly what that area looks like. > > - the URLs say "E%20OR/Oct07" and "E%20OR/May07" > > ...further > > - One URL says "FtRock", and Fort Rock is in the Oregon desert. > > QED > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 00:31:24 2008 Received: (qmail 15296 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 22:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 22:31:24 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9177EC3318; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A46C3099 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:31:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30749 invoked by uid 504); 17 Aug 2008 22:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 22:31:10 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8A6AE.9080608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:31:10 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> <48A88BB1.7020709@chucknorcutt.com> <48A89449.7090906@gmail.com> <48A8988B.5050105@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8988B.5050105@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 00:31:24 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8a6bc112621234514069 Thanks. I shall now remember Ft. Rock. An interesting site. Too bad I won't get to see it on my trip. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Oops, forgot the link. > > > Moose wrote: >> .... >> - One URL says "FtRock", and Fort Rock is in the Oregon desert. >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 00:44:31 2008 Received: (qmail 10493 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 22:44:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A626C27F6; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:44:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:44:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38F9C333B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:44:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4676 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 22:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.167.185) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 22:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8A9BB.8000104@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:44:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 00:44:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8a9cf165031946193717 Mike wrote: >> Imagine going days without seeing much humanity except truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. >> >> > That's why we go. Except there aren't any truck stops, dog tracks or fast food joints. It is reassuring to know such places still exist in the world. > Nice evocations of the wide open spaces of the US West. > > Is this one of the polarized sky images you were asking about? I played with it a bit. I found combination of a circular gradient, white to transparent, and starting at or a bit below the bottom of the image and the vignetting correction tool in PTLens to do a pretty good job. Figuring out what to use and how for the first two steps took a while, including a false start. Reproducing the effect on other images, once one knows how, shouldn't take long. Yeah, I know; it isn't a one button solution. When you find that, please let me know. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 01:17:15 2008 Received: (qmail 3911 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 23:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 23:17:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE36BC2861; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:17:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:17:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B05C2BE1 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:17:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 21777 invoked by uid 502); 17 Aug 2008 23:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.185.26) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 17 Aug 2008 23:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8B166.8050401@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:16:54 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8611B.8090501@chucknorcutt.com> <48A872FC.1080305@gmail.com> <48A88BB1.7020709@chucknorcutt.com> <48A89449.7090906@gmail.com> <48A8988B.5050105@gmail.com> <48A8A6AE.9080608@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8A6AE.9080608@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 01:17:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8b17b147761744846740 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Thanks. I shall now remember Ft. Rock. An interesting site. Too bad I won't get to see it on my trip. > I haven't seen it in person. I'd like to get out there one day. Don't worry about missing it. You are going to miss quite a bit of larger and/or more scenic stuff than Ft. Rock. ;-) Then again, you are going to see a lot of great stuff, most of which I haven't seen as yet. You'll just have to schedule another trip to pick up things like Yosemite in the Spring. This Sept. would be a poor time to visit, as we had a low snow year and early melt, so the often spectacular waterfalls will be mere trickles. No ash or haze from wildfires in a wet Spring, either. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 01:20:25 2008 Received: (qmail 15654 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2008 23:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 23:20:25 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C25C329D; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:20:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE927C32AF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:20:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-46-113.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.46.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7HNK1JK019316 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:20:05 -0300 Message-ID: <48A8B21E.7010201@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:19:58 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> <48A88D81.9070602@adinet.com.uy> <48A8A4A7.7000405@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8A4A7.7000405@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 17/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 01:20:25 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8b239110897350615338 I did so on July 17 for the first time, then on July 31 for the second. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I installed AVG 8 on July 5. > > Chuck Norcutt > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 02:14:38 2008 Received: (qmail 10606 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 00:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 00:14:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C448C3135; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6E4C2E94 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:14:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14015 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 00:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 00:14:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8BEE0.6080109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:14:24 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8A9BB.8000104@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8A9BB.8000104@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 02:14:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8beee90471946193717 I like the "pop" that's been added at the ground level but rather prefer the darker sky of the original even with the wide angle gradient. It has never struck me as strongly unnatural looking since we see at least some of that with the eye. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Mike wrote: >>> Imagine going days without seeing much humanity except truck stops, dog tracks, and chain fast food joints. >>> >>> >> That's why we go. Except there aren't any truck stops, dog tracks or fast food joints. It is reassuring to know such places still exist in the world. >> > Nice evocations of the wide open spaces of the US West. >> >> > Is this one of the polarized sky images you were asking about? > > I played with it a bit. I found combination of a circular gradient, > white to transparent, and starting at or a bit below the bottom of the > image and the vignetting correction tool in PTLens to do a pretty good > job. > > Figuring out what to use and how for the first two steps took a while, > including a false start. Reproducing the effect on other images, once > one knows how, shouldn't take long. > > Yeah, I know; it isn't a one button solution. When you find that, please > let me know. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 02:16:04 2008 Received: (qmail 4555 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 00:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 00:16:04 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6344AC2CE6; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:15:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:15:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2FCC2C04 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:15:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 14496 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 00:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 00:15:51 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8BF37.40407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:15:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> <48A88D81.9070602@adinet.com.uy> <48A8A4A7.7000405@chucknorcutt.com> <48A8B21E.7010201@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A8B21E.7010201@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 02:16:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8bf4470942046811720 I would uninstall AVG 8, install SP3 and then re-install AVG 8 or else move to Avast or whatever that other app was called. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I did so on July 17 for the first time, then on July 31 for the second. > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I installed AVG 8 on July 5. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 02:59:03 2008 Received: (qmail 10315 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 00:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 00:59:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB26C3174; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CA0C321F for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-12-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.12.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7I0wfKN024375 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:58:44 -0300 Message-ID: <48A8C93F.3040600@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:58:39 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <48A85D25.9040400@interisland.net> <48A85EE8.2080008@chucknorcutt.com> <48A86EEB.2010008@adinet.com.uy> <48A885ED.8080805@roadrunner.com> <48A88D81.9070602@adinet.com.uy> <48A8A4A7.7000405@chucknorcutt.com> <48A8B21E.7010201@adinet.com.uy> <48A8BF37.40407@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8BF37.40407@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 17/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 02:59:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8c95773901234514069 I will install SP3 - before, I will ask people who said had "troubles", to describe exactly what happened to them. I assume it is a large download. Then I will decide about Avast!, AVG or ZoneAlarm - that will be another different step. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I would uninstall AVG 8, install SP3 and then re-install AVG 8 or else > move to Avast or whatever that other app was called. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> I did so on July 17 for the first time, then on July 31 for the second. >> >> Fernando. >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> I installed AVG 8 on July 5. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 03:18:34 2008 Received: (qmail 21616 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 01:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 01:18:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EE3C2E42; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [203.88.127.221]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6DDC2DCA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8E1B071C for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:18:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au ([203.88.127.221]) by localhost (outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mCrDbV7IUsnM for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:18:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au (stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au [203.88.117.81]) by outbound1.mail-filtering.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27D9B069D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:18:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from [17.86.55.227] by stingray.cbr.hosting-server.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KUtNw-0006Y9-54 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:18:16 +1000 Message-Id: From: Brent To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A8977B.5000407@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Saturday in Gladesville Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:18:13 +1000 References: <6BB14B4F-DAED-45C9-A00B-7C923DBD6839@threeshoes.net> <6CA8CB10-E399-4BCD-9BEC-9EB37F7C01BE@wildskies.net> <48A8977B.5000407@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: brutherford@wildskies.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 03:18:34 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8cdea182371234514069 An alternate version: http://wildskies.net/g/v/2008/GladesvilleSaturday/ On 18/08/2008, at 7:26 AM, Moose wrote: >> Anyway, they're here: >> http://gallery.me.com/brent_rutherford/100056 >> > What a goofy gallery application. Of three horizontal images I > checked, > it showed one at the original 1024x684, resized one to 1022x682 and > the > other to 1021x681. All with large expanses of unused space available > around them. They pay people to write this crap?! > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 03:39:22 2008 Received: (qmail 17970 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 01:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 01:39:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D0EC2782; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:39:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CDDC287A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1809 invoked by uid 502); 18 Aug 2008 01:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.161.167) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 01:39:09 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8D2B7.9000302@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:39:03 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8A9BB.8000104@gmail.com> <48A8BEE0.6080109@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8BEE0.6080109@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 03:39:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8d2ca36269117217770 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like the "pop" that's been added at the ground level I was concentating on the sky, but couldn't resist little ground work. > but rather prefer the darker sky of the original even with the wide angle gradient. It has never struck me as strongly unnatural looking since we see at least some of that with the eye. > I'm not sure I agree. I didn't, however, take this one simply on my own. In this case, I was responding to a specific question from Mike: "I'm looking for recommendations for an application/plugin that will even out the color of polarized skies with the click of a button. ..... Right, OK then how about describing a PS2 work flow for accomplishing same without too much trouble and without ending up with a plastic sky." I though that was in interesting technical challenge, and rather like the degree to which I was able to achieve the desired end. It was my decision to even it out on the light side, as I thought the sky straight ahead would be the best indicator of the 'real' brightness. I could have made all the sky darker. The main goal was evening it out Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 04:55:42 2008 Received: (qmail 17753 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF5CC3DE1; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:55:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:55:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753F2C3B6A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:55:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25588 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 02:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 02:55:29 -0000 Message-ID: <48A8E4A0.3030706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:55:28 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A85ED2.70705@interisland.net> <48A8A9BB.8000104@gmail.com> <48A8BEE0.6080109@chucknorcutt.com> <48A8D2B7.9000302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A8D2B7.9000302@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 04:55:42 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8e4ae55961234514069 I understood the goal. I just liked the original sky better. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I like the "pop" that's been added at the ground level > I was concentating on the sky, but couldn't resist little ground work. >> but rather prefer the darker sky of the original even with the wide angle gradient. It has never struck me as strongly unnatural looking since we see at least some of that with the eye. >> > I'm not sure I agree. I didn't, however, take this one simply on my own. > In this case, I was responding to a specific question from Mike: > > "I'm looking for recommendations for an application/plugin that will even out the color of polarized skies with the click of a button. ..... > Right, OK then how about describing a PS2 work flow for accomplishing same without too much trouble and without ending up with a plastic sky." > > I though that was in interesting technical challenge, and rather like > the degree to which I was able to achieve the desired end. > > It was my decision to even it out on the light side, as I thought the > sky straight ahead would be the best indicator of the 'real' brightness. > I could have made all the sky darker. The main goal was evening it out > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1617 - Release Date: 8/17/2008 12:58 PM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 06:16:36 2008 Received: (qmail 25483 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 04:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 04:16:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A817FC2F11; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB75C2EA4 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:16:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E4F3140A5 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15D2314094 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A8F797.2030304@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:16:23 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 08/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 06:16:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8f7a429881499373980 http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/E%20OR/Oct07/FtRock054.jpg Indeed this is Lake County route 5-13 from Silver Lake north to Ft Rock which can be seen to the left of the "hwy" about 8-10 miles in the distance. Just left of Ft Rock is another volcanic outcrop barely visible in this shot where the oldest "shoes" in N. America were found in a cave. Sandals dated to about 8000bp. Ft Rock shows evidence of a shoreline. Not many years ago it was an island is a large inland lake so the climate then was much better suited to human habitation. Paulina Pk is on the horizon left and part of a massive and very recent series of eruptions. The next in the series will likely take out Sun River and Bend if the natural progression is followed. This shot is straight out of the E510, no post processing other than a resize. 14mm, f11, 1/2500, ISO800 which was an operator error as there is a lot of noise. I like what you did with PTlens Moose and with the dull foreground. The vignetting accentuates the polarizer effect and taking it out of the equation really helps. However the gradient tool takes the punch out with the result that it appears no polarizer was used at all! I'm thinking the only real solution is to fine tune the effect by rotating the filter itself at the time of the shot. Still not totally satisfying. http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/E%20OR/May07/E36-640x480.jpg Here we are looking east down the Frenchglen Rd to Steens Mt about 60mi/100km distant. Harney County is about the size of Belgium and has a population of 7500. OM4 and the 24mm I'm thinking since the CP doesn't fit the 18mm and that's what i had with me. This sky seem to be more even probably because of the cloud cover. I've been meaning to get an Album together but just haven't had the time yet. ...maybe after our fall trip. By the way Chuck if the weather is crappy on the coast you might consider route 97 down the east side connecting to I-5 at Mt Shasta. I much prefer it to the I-5 knuckle biter down through the Willamette Valley and over the Siskiyous in the rain at 70mph between two semi's. Take scenic hwy26 (or 20) to Bend then stay on 97 all the way to Shasta. Crater Lake is a short side trip off 97. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 06:36:38 2008 Received: (qmail 20282 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 04:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 04:36:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1716C2CDB; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:36:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:36:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAAAC2BA8 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:36:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F34C1101775 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Mcd8GJT2Ybt for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186141101766 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <082CDDE5-5F53-450D-B085-15CF9C9BFCFF@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080818012753.9CD09C2DD9@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:36:22 -0700 References: <20080818012753.9CD09C2DD9@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 06:36:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8fc55252189347015869 > From: Moose > > Jan Steinman wrote: >>> :::: Sell your cleverness, and purchase bewilderment -- Rumi >> > Aaah, right in tune for "a typical Berkeley'ian" When I was young, I was interested in answers. The older I get, the more interested I am in questions. But that leads to a major communication problem with all the 30- somethings I find myself hanging around with -- they keep trying to answer the damn questions! :::: The first principle is that you must not fool yourself -- and you are the easiest person to fool. -- Richard Feynman :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 06:43:36 2008 Received: (qmail 28653 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 04:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 04:43:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3865C32F4; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCB5C2FCF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A15111018AE for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6pmBcBIrvRtr for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE72110189F for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <94834B17-9E6D-457C-8A6D-C4FFA71E05EB@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080818012753.9CD09C2DD9@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Camera as an Automotive Tool Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:43:17 -0700 References: <20080818012753.9CD09C2DD9@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 06:43:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a8fdf8177391823421471 > From: "Bob Docherty" > > I talked myself into a repair project. Well, the garage talked me > into it > :) $700 to replace my plastic Mercury Marquis intake manifold. You don't REALLY mean the intake manifold was plastic, do you? Gawd, things are not made to be repaired these days, are they? I've been battling with a 1982 diesel Vanagon. The coolant pressure reservoir was plastic. It developed hairline cracks and the bottom blew out. All the ones in junk yards are in similar condition, and you can't get a new one. The closest thing to that has different sized ports, and I cobbled together adaptors from different size tubing slid inside each other, which have failed. So I'm going to re-create the original out of metal with a MIG welder. I figure it will take me three days -- a week if I use aluminum. Hope it's worth it. (This came up at random. I wonder if de'Exupery had 1982 diesel Vanagons in mind when he wrote that...) :::: You know you have reached perfection of design not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -- Antoine de'Exupery :::: Jan Steinman ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 07:14:03 2008 Received: (qmail 1456 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 05:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 05:14:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D910C322D; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:13:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:13:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AEEC38BD for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:13:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28159 invoked by uid 502); 18 Aug 2008 05:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.172.99) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 05:13:49 -0000 Message-ID: <48A9050B.6030703@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:13:47 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A8F797.2030304@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A8F797.2030304@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 07:14:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9051b48681591313764 Mike wrote: > ... > This shot is straight out of the E510, no post processing other than a resize. 14mm, f11, 1/2500, ISO800 which was an operator error as there is a lot of noise. I like what you did with PTlens Moose and with the dull foreground. The vignetting accentuates the polarizer effect and taking it out of the equation really helps. However the gradient tool takes the punch out with the result that it appears no polarizer was used at all! I'm thinking the only real solution is to fine tune the effect by rotating the filter itself at the time of the shot. Still not totally satisfying. > Never say die. I've added one with more contrast in the clouds and darker sky. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 07:59:14 2008 Received: (qmail 11831 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 05:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 05:59:13 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3087CC2E0D; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0F1C3062 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:59:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8B06E7000084 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:59:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.95.20]) by mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1FF277000082 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:59:00 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080818055900130.1FF277000082@mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] #160 Gayton Northamptonshire Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:59:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 07:59:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a90fb2310831823421471 Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 21mm f2 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08160.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 08:09:04 2008 Received: (qmail 12723 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 06:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 06:09:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F272C2CDD; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:08:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:08:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9C2C2AB7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:08:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25284 invoked by uid 502); 18 Aug 2008 06:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.168.157) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 06:08:24 -0000 Message-ID: <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:08:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] OT images References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 08:09:03 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a911ff208371035110158 Two bits of domestic life. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 08:12:19 2008 Received: (qmail 20847 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 06:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 06:12:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177CFC28B6; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:12:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:12:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889A9C2944 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27028 invoked by uid 502); 18 Aug 2008 06:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.168.157) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 06:12:06 -0000 Message-ID: <48A912B4.9030401@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:12:04 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Camera as an Automotive Tool References: <20080818012753.9CD09C2DD9@ml.free.fr> <94834B17-9E6D-457C-8A6D-C4FFA71E05EB@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <94834B17-9E6D-457C-8A6D-C4FFA71E05EB@Bytesmiths.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 08:12:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a912c3211981702588592 Jan Steinman wrote: > .... > So I'm going to re-create the original out of metal with a MIG welder. I figure it will take me three days -- a week if I use aluminum. Hope it's worth it. > Whatever happened to duct tape and JBWeld? Standards are certainly slipping singe Walt's untimely demise. > (This came up at random. I wonder if de'Exupery had 1982 diesel Vanagons in mind when he wrote that...) > > :::: You know you have reached perfection of design not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -- > Antoine de'Exupery If, as many assume, his death was suicide, was it an artistic statement along these lines? 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( [216.39.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g25sm8761466wag.4.2008.08.17.23.23.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <14D151E2-4EBA-40F6-8A2B-25019CA60ED8@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: #160 Gayton Northamptonshire X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:23:35 -0700 References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 08:24:06 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a91586113801585427447 Fantastic! Great shot. Rob in Seattle On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Gee Bee wrote: > > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 21mm f2 : orange filter : Kodak Professional > BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08160.htm ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 09:37:40 2008 Received: (qmail 8690 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 07:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 07:37:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCEEC34C5; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:37:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:37:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F3CC3423 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2626263wfd.5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:37:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NbOd5W4m+03GIgIVcfG/0982+iUjGKDu3G1ZCK5tpLI=; b=FgbHLiqQabxppkrcPykUeYeeJ9bHAIJgS6bvdurvTWeZJnuIdJypDwvqMA9QGEdHt9 ldBr4gTmAxwBymBt4kv9XBZQsw/yasj5n1nV9jrH9BjS1NeNIv5WISd6ahAbrZKXSy8o f4lPb4IRVjfCu2u3JdNmRWlcmEpe78sNb+zGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=shVaXRvYsGwNFTyhSqyxpQzwYtfW0YUZmGvOhal/mTuYEyN3UStrlTbG9GThx2Mgsq iouSAL+hvIJ52lRwrYkly4IL0iQYeeJQYrL8TDC+s7Z1E6s9hxqOaNisWIk19fy6HUKC VWrgBHAJrahjaLrjopkvnRSdqTmeCOjj36D0k= Received: by 10.142.147.15 with SMTP id u15mr1931575wfd.181.1219045047775; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.2? ( [203.214.33.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm2878282wfc.6.2008.08.18.00.37.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A926AD.4060506@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:37:17 +1000 From: "montsnmags@gmail.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT images References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: montsnmags@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 09:37:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a926c4270281585427447 Moose wrote: > Two bits of domestic life. > Prayer flags. That was my first thought. I guess they're praying for dry weather. Cheers, Marc Noosa Heads, Oz ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 12:01:18 2008 Received: (qmail 20446 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 10:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 10:01:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F46EC3236; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E477C2FFC for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 31354 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 10:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 10:00:55 -0000 Message-ID: <48A94857.1070407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:00:55 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone References: <48A8F797.2030304@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <48A8F797.2030304@interisland.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 12:01:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9486e241141470116606 Thanks, I'll investigate. You caught my attention with the knuckle biter in the rain running between two semi's. Did that last fall on I-81 in Virginia hemmed in by walls of trucks. I couldn't see a thing and couldn't escape; trucks everywhere filling both lanes and hundreds of tires churning the heavy rain into intense fog. After an hour or so I was so exhausted I had to get off the road and turned in for the night at Roanoke. Chuck Norcutt Mike wrote: > > By the way Chuck if the weather is crappy on the coast you might > consider route 97 down the east side connecting to I-5 at Mt Shasta. > I much prefer it to the I-5 knuckle biter down through the Willamette > Valley and over the Siskiyous in the rain at 70mph between two > semi's. Take scenic hwy26 (or 20) to Bend then stay on 97 all the way > to Shasta. Crater Lake is a short side trip off 97. > > Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 12:14:17 2008 Received: (qmail 16346 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 10:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 10:14:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C035C3756; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:14:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBBDC37A3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:14:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 616 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 10:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 10:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <48A94B6C.8070308@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:14:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT images References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 12:14:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a94b79152441499373980 Certainly the color winners of the week. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Two bits of domestic life. > > > Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 12:15:52 2008 Received: (qmail 1845 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 10:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 10:15:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B039C28C1; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:15:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:15:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52266C3160 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:15:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1343 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 10:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 10:15:39 -0000 Message-ID: <48A94BCB.1000400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:15:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #160 Gayton Northamptonshire References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 12:15:52 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a94bd8183789117217770 Very nice! Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 21mm f2 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08160.htm > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 13:04:45 2008 Received: (qmail 32013 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 11:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 11:04:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21D6C2D90; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:04:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:04:31 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DDF6C27CF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:04:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3472 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 11:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 11:04:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48A926AD.4060506@gmail.com> References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> <48A926AD.4060506@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <25C46EEB-C28A-4C8D-9C78-A2FF32CE9830@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: OT images Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:04:21 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 13:04:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9574d109351946193717 Now that's good. Love it. The flat tyre is the crowning touch. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 18/08/2008, at 5:37 PM, montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: >> Two bits of domestic life. >> > gallery=Miscellaneous&image=_MG_4511corcrii.jpg> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 14:00:50 2008 Received: (qmail 631 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 12:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 12:00:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6FAC386F; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.orange.nl (smtp-1.orange.nl [193.252.22.241]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01ECDC2C7C for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:00:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6007.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D52217000087 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:00:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6007.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7F5517000083 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:00:31 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080818120031583.7F5517000083@mwinf6007.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:00:23 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c90129$ff0cddd0$0d01a8c0@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <48A62452.8030106@chucknorcutt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 14:00:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9647268341470116606 Hi Fernando, What a very moving story and accompanied by so many touching photos. Having recenly lost my own father and my mother in law on the same day I can see how this will help you express your love for your father. It is clearly visible in the photos and text. I would have loved to make a series like this while I had the chance. My father died within a few day after having a relatively small injury after falling over with his scootmobile. I hope you can add many mor photos and memories of your father in the time to come. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Chuck Norcutt > Verzonden: zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 2:50 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: flickr alternative > > > Wow! What a story. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > Thanks a lot Mike - shall see how it works. Looks quite elegant. > > Sending this Cc because still don't know if my posting reaches the > > list. > > > > BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: > > > > http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o > > > > Fernando. > > > > Mike wrote: > >> Fernando and anyone else who may want to try another photo > web host. > >> This one looks promising and free for first 100 photos. > >> > >> http://www.viewbook.com// > >> > >> Mike > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 14:11:09 2008 Received: (qmail 756 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 12:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 12:11:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9357FC2AA6; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EB4C3368 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (62-249-223-39.no-dns-yet.enta.net [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA0AC97E6 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:26:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <27916E62-708A-4684-8E33-E33035E9346F@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: OT images Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:10:25 +0100 References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ftog@threeshoes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 14:11:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a966dd28037927319144 Lovely and colourful, Moose. I tried in vain to find a way to improve it ... :-) Chris On 18 Aug 2008, at 07:08, Moose wrote: > Two bits of domestic life. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 14:13:56 2008 Received: (qmail 23960 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 12:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 12:13:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C22C365A; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541C5C3328 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1440652nfi.19 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:13:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ls9ORjgMRExnfBQsIY9azX9xV0Gtv9UF5YcusUh/Zo0=; b=KNehclW4DI7vMZkV8m0votIlEDaP7jVF4+2GQX08KKeURoLCaQqzQsthbX1stVFL7a YT334dLjDHlN/kqG3chaYlaj+HJU8K2zK2H/VTtaTLwE4hV1cAD/bzPCmmut8RMnV7n1 z4k2pvRfcipCnbcwyaKs8jJKdVaHlKS7XXCLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Mhp0e2n2MHOSpm9PCBwwHtll0tPej7BbdSLN+8c8F5/4blYGn8HuFdWJSmhQ0HBUIT QhAEF96ikJ9Xtv7slJPSdPBScvcMqviXZ+3qPvcLfmPeAg21mG7AjbEIqDZ2TR1oUA7w ko/8uEVSI9VLjs4+390JRf08ywHLJrl8Idk4c= Received: by 10.210.105.19 with SMTP id d19mr3924939ebc.170.1219061617610; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.102.1 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:13:37 +0100 From: "Tom Fenwick" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT images In-Reply-To: <27916E62-708A-4684-8E33-E33035E9346F@threeshoes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> <27916E62-708A-4684-8E33-E33035E9346F@threeshoes.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: super.wide@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 14:13:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a967841081499373980 One day one of us will have to get it together to post some de-moosifications with rollover functionality etc... Not today though - too busy with new printer! Tom 2008/8/18 Chris Barker > > Lovely and colourful, Moose. > > I tried in vain to find a way to improve it ... :-) > > Chris > > On 18 Aug 2008, at 07:08, Moose wrote: > > > Two bits of domestic life. > > < > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=Miscellaneous&image=_MG_4511corcrii.jpg > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 14:32:35 2008 Received: (qmail 22216 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 12:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 12:32:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F8FC2FBD; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:32:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:32:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C4AC32AF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-12-36.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.12.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7ICWFVR000925 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:32:16 -0300 Message-ID: <48A96BD1.6020402@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:32:17 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative References: <000001c90129$ff0cddd0$0d01a8c0@Breedbeeld> In-Reply-To: <000001c90129$ff0cddd0$0d01a8c0@Breedbeeld> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 17/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 14:32:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a96be3208521585427447 Wiliam, fortunately that story does not belong to me. Its author had the chance to make it because his father illness gives him the time to take lots of photographs. My father died unexpectedly too, and his mother a few weeks afterwards. In such a situation, I cannot imagine anyone being able to make a chronicle, much less with excellent pictures and writing. I might be able to make something similar with patients I have to care of, but it's beyond ethics and guts. I feel sorry for your losses, mainly for your father loss. I know how that feels. Fernando. Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Hi Fernando, > > What a very moving story and accompanied by so many touching photos. > Having recenly lost my own father and my mother in law on the same day I > can see how this will help you express your love for your father. It is > clearly visible in the photos and text. I would have loved to make a > series like this while I had the chance. My father died within a few day > after having a relatively small injury after falling over with his > scootmobile. I hope you can add many mor photos and memories of your > father in the time to come. > > Wiliam > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Chuck Norcutt >> Verzonden: zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 2:50 >> Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr >> Onderwerp: [OM] Re: flickr alternative >> >> >> Wow! What a story. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot Mike - shall see how it works. Looks quite elegant. >>> Sending this Cc because still don't know if my posting reaches the >>> list. >>> >>> BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: >>> >>> http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >>> Mike wrote: >>> >>>> Fernando and anyone else who may want to try another photo >>>> >> web host. >> >>>> This one looks promising and free for first 100 photos. >>>> >>>> http://www.viewbook.com// >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 15:10:01 2008 Received: (qmail 5967 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 13:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 13:10:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7042C43FE; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:09:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:09:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75B3C443F for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.59.195]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5S00FIKSD52NK2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:05:38 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing In-reply-to: To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A973A2.1030902@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 15:10:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a974a9222597927319144 Even Nikon F screens (1958?) are plastic, with separate condenser lens mounted above. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Crawford wrote: > I wanted to respond to something in that article. Almost all 35mm SLR > cameras have used plastic focusing screens since the 1970's. The Olympus OM > screens are all plastic, even the oldest ones. > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 15:13:07 2008 Received: (qmail 15791 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 13:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 13:13:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC8AC318F; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:12:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A771DC3DE6 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.59.195]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5S00IJSSN84G42@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:11:41 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system In-reply-to: <005601c8ff5f$2f7ce770$98f06744@youra9279112e3> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A9750D.5030209@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <837B5FBA-FA6C-4696-B668-058E0C2A4733@people.net.au> <117171.28106.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A576D2.1000006@verizon.net> <005601c8ff5f$2f7ce770$98f06744@youra9279112e3> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 15:13:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a97563299262070262475 I seem to recall some old 35mm Yashica model that used a battery that was bigger than an AA cell. Hope not. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Bill Pearce wrote: > Been a long time. I think it is the same mercury battery as the OM1. Two, > perhaps? > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:30 AM > Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system > > >> I'm curious what battery goes in the Electro GT? >> >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Geilfuss Charles wrote: >>> AS, >>> Which 50 are you going to keep? ;^) >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On >>> Behalf Of AS >>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:40 PM >>> To: olympus@ml.free.fr >>> Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system >>> >>> >>> >>> I have decided to hold on to an OM-1n and 50 Zuiko Lens. I also picked >>> up a Yashica Electro GT. These two will be my mainstays for film now. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 15:15:04 2008 Received: (qmail 13846 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 13:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 13:15:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74EDC2918; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-1.orange.nl (smtp-1.orange.nl [193.252.22.241]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7869EC3198 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6012.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5CEE11C0008A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Breedbeeld (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by mwinf6012.online.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 186521C00088 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:49 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080818131449100.186521C00088@mwinf6012.online.nl From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: Subject: [OM] Re: flickr alternative Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c90134$5fdcc1c0$0d01a8c0@Breedbeeld> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <48A96BD1.6020402@adinet.com.uy> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wiliam@orange.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 15:15:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a975d8255911946193717 Oops, my bad. Looking more carefully (like I should have done earlier) I can see the photos and story are from Philip Toledano. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > Verzonden: maandag 18 augustus 2008 14:32 > Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > Onderwerp: [OM] Re: flickr alternative > > > > Wiliam, fortunately that story does not belong to me. > > Its author had the chance to make it because his father illness gives > him the time to take lots of photographs. > My father died unexpectedly too, and his mother a few weeks > afterwards. In such a situation, I cannot imagine anyone > being able to make a > chronicle, much less with excellent pictures and writing. > > I might be able to make something similar with patients I > have to care > of, but it's beyond ethics and guts. > > I feel sorry for your losses, mainly for your father loss. I know how > that feels. > > Fernando. > > Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > > Hi Fernando, > > > > What a very moving story and accompanied by so many > touching photos. > > Having recenly lost my own father and my mother in law on > the same day > > I can see how this will help you express your love for your > father. It > > is clearly visible in the photos and text. I would have > loved to make > > a series like this while I had the chance. My father died > within a few > > day after having a relatively small injury after falling > over with his > > scootmobile. I hope you can add many mor photos and > memories of your > > father in the time to come. > > > > Wiliam > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> Van: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr > >> [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] Namens Chuck Norcutt > >> Verzonden: zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 2:50 > >> Aan: olympus@ml.free.fr > >> Onderwerp: [OM] Re: flickr alternative > >> > >> > >> Wow! What a story. > >> > >> Chuck Norcutt > >> > >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks a lot Mike - shall see how it works. Looks quite elegant. > >>> Sending this Cc because still don't know if my posting > reaches the > >>> list. > >>> > >>> BTW, just finished looking at this: not for the faint of heart: > >>> > >>> http://www.dayswithmyfather.com/#/o > >>> > >>> Fernando. > >>> > >>> Mike wrote: > >>> > >>>> Fernando and anyone else who may want to try another photo > >>>> > >> web host. > >> > >>>> This one looks promising and free for first 100 photos. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.viewbook.com// > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 15:15:45 2008 Received: (qmail 5875 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 13:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 13:15:44 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB01C3023; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:15:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:15:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B8CC336A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:15:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.183.59.195]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5S006WXST7NWIA@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:15:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:15:16 -0400 From: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing In-reply-to: <48A6976A.5000103@gmail.com> To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <48A975E4.1070604@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48A6976A.5000103@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: omtech1@verizon.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 15:15:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a97601311891023412894 Those original F screens were a pain in the ass to clean. Plastic screen on the bottom, condenser lens on top, sitting in a metal frame. The two were taped together with super sticky tape and dust would STILL get between the 2 elements. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 www.zuiko.com | omtech1 AT verizon.net Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > Chris Crawford wrote: >> The F Series Nikons (all but the F6) had their screens in thick >> frames like that too. The screen itself was relatively thin but it >> had a thick lens atop it to direct the light rays inward to prevent >> edge darkening. I don't know what the actual focusing screen is >> made from on those cameras. I suspect that the F4 and F5 were >> certainly plastic, the earlier ones could be glass. >> > The one on an F2 is clearly plastic, and the lens on top also appears > to be plastic. I've got one or two earlier ones for the original F > sitting in little boxes somewhere, but just where... > > Moose > > > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 15:35:31 2008 Received: (qmail 4277 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 13:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 13:35:30 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30367C3828; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [204.127.217.106]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604C5C33C2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:35:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fwebmail17.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.157]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080818133516H06009qshqe>; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:35:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.9.157] Received: from [12.44.221.58] by fwebmail17.isp.att.net; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:35:16 +0000 From: "Bob Docherty" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Camera as an Automotive Tool Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:35:16 +0000 Message-Id: <081820081335.6310.48A97A930008A749000018A622228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A9C0E059B9C0104@att.net> In-Reply-To: <94834B17-9E6D-457C-8A6D-C4FFA71E05EB@Bytesmiths.com> References: <20080818012753.9CD09C2DD9@ml.free.fr> <94834B17-9E6D-457C-8A6D-C4FFA71E05EB@Bytesmiths.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9zdGthc2VAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 15:35:31 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a97aa338671073733319 Jan, Not only was the old one plastic, so is the new one :) At least it has an aluminum coolant crossover, which might last a bit longer. You have looked at this site to determine if they still have a tank http://www.evwparts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=VanCoolingHoses Fabricating your own is so "Waltish" though :) Bob -------------- Original message from Jan Steinman : -------------- > > > From: "Bob Docherty" > > > > I talked myself into a repair project. Well, the garage talked me > > into it > > :) $700 to replace my plastic Mercury Marquis intake manifold. > > You don't REALLY mean the intake manifold was plastic, do you? Gawd, > things are not made to be repaired these days, are they? > > I've been battling with a 1982 diesel Vanagon. The coolant pressure > reservoir was plastic. It developed hairline cracks and the bottom > blew out. All the ones in junk yards are in similar condition, and you > can't get a new one. The closest thing to that has different sized > ports, and I cobbled together adaptors from different size tubing slid > inside each other, which have failed. > > So I'm going to re-create the original out of metal with a MIG welder. > I figure it will take me three days -- a week if I use aluminum. Hope > it's worth it. > > (This came up at random. I wonder if de'Exupery had 1982 diesel > Vanagons in mind when he wrote that...) > > :::: You know you have reached perfection of design not when you have > nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -- > Antoine de'Exupery > :::: Jan Steinman > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 22:43:36 2008 Received: (qmail 5762 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 20:43:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 20:43:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D8CC3D75; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:43:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:43:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D19C3D0D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so5730477gxk.17 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=EKecQDyQsNl6wj3zrHeA7UMFaPohL268eVSzV/yXcLw=; b=Oz2A+2vBJL6TWQhjxp1zQ4t+rXZ2cZZQeCQLKzc3oRjvz7kCHGEzgb29U478plSPk1 3I2NhciXe0MR+fVNpZqFNTALJbP4G2l66i6YeroXtTR3/wzu050MGFXeclXwGK//8W2u MaJh+S+5mRW6r67k/WeqxCY1zjhN+yPj1rg94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=fdDNK3sSSeinmSp0KoUeF4grWn5fB536UjxW0StC1lG1D7vDMP9srglB5wPbxJOMN9 2mvoUKAMWHIJMNr8ukf6KyVYuYALTvXMNxOjJF9VJk34jKkPAII14WGZFL/LZ66oer/C 1Qi6H6dj75YE2vJW34+b5GOm+yGri9YN3aDC8= Received: by 10.150.122.13 with SMTP id u13mr10353935ybc.63.1219092199931; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.146.10 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:43:19 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: putting together a "souvenir" system In-Reply-To: <48A78DE3.6090207@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <48A78DE3.6090207@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 678f2e7a84b35d1b X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 22:43:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9def815991234514069 > I got the impression Bill was talking about more than just a lens. Maybe, but I know he's got at least one REAL 35mm pinhole camera besides OM pinhole plates. Those wooden pinhole cameras of his area works of art. Absolutely beautiful cameras. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 22:50:33 2008 Received: (qmail 6972 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 20:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 20:50:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF33C379F; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:50:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:50:20 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D64C34F9 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:50:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so5741721gxk.17 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=5EdR8ilFy5gn+6GG2PDRfIprQJLfz7kpztmW7A2RBw8=; b=xA75Mvovd0nxUWHT0cO83TB03HSX8OjGBZLbpH34v+Zv48CQaSKMENfrWsn2/H5raX FO2yKfAM3WdFqAkk65GRf+yCiMagYs+scbRVmPMyPBvKyXneUVmrNLCtNxxGkuyYUjoX A11mIaKusZygwm636rtv3NauTLKCOOg4RTd1k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=xw9BJ49a+a4bOf1tK/g1Hqg+Z347aByf9bMOt1Pg0LZ6xDxyJAvT03koBP4rObF2yI e3nko9564z73IlnFluIkLSQHAYDafUf3bJ0LEPgsTPJZmBhD+ReDT2mS31iaTqdutTgm JUqN/h6/sIdzKE66CyQzdLoIoI/kz9CArBLEk= Received: by 10.150.95.15 with SMTP id s15mr10367665ybb.210.1219092619736; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.146.10 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:50:19 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3ea48fc33dc8aae7 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 22:50:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9e09924551946193717 Jan wrote: >Simply opening it and closing it without re-saving does no harm. >Otherwise, pictures on websites that are repeatedly viewed (which is >"opening and closing" them) would rapidly degrade. Ah, but there is a difference here. Viewing an image doesn't degrade it. However printing does. The printing process depletes each pixel of a bit of the density. Displaying an image on a monitor is using "additive" colors whereas printing is "subtractive". If you print an image enough times, you will have subtracted all the bits out of the image. Good grief, and I have to EXPLAIN all this to you guys? AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 23:02:38 2008 Received: (qmail 5465 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 21:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 21:02:37 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BE8C32DA; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E92CC30FF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5T00LTAEFY1M90@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:02:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-117-176.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.117.176]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:58:01 -0300 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:02:52 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsMADKAqUgY3nWw/2dsb2JhbACBXIdcrS4DgVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,230,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="156003004" References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 23:02:38 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9e36e114131023412894 So, if I open an image that is stored on the hard drive and then print it using RAM as the medium through which the image is conveyed to the printer's printing mechanism are you saying that the image stored on the hard drive will be gradually depleted? What will be depleted are the printer's reservoirs of inks but the image on the hard drive as well ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld > > Jan wrote: >>Simply opening it and closing it without re-saving does no harm. >>Otherwise, pictures on websites that are repeatedly viewed (which is >>"opening and closing" them) would rapidly degrade. > > Ah, but there is a difference here. Viewing an image doesn't degrade it. > However printing does. The printing process depletes each pixel of a bit > of > the density. Displaying an image on a monitor is using "additive" colors > whereas printing is "subtractive". If you print an image enough times, > you > will have subtracted all the bits out of the image. > > Good grief, and I have to EXPLAIN all this to you guys? > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 23:13:48 2008 Received: (qmail 8391 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 21:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 21:13:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB29C3245; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DD9C386E for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so364197ywt.89 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:x-priority:date:references:x-mailer; bh=nGFuE2Gnv/MCte52q9WRKc+em5+4VKKIOJ+CMQFc6OE=; b=oE3so/dWPUdhBbcpr35wuM2jJLE7PNKO8H07cC9KoIC+/Bfn8/asiwtx6QvLueQaNu F2EVhmvXeSD8IUl6ZQxFGReG7qHBxdAhhOn4nzjP74Ikb7yZsttcdx4dwAvY3Far+yFM JuZ9wnEuh6wl/NeIWYJvyI83fdMJQIqzCb6os= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:x-priority:date :references:x-mailer; b=Dwa4BgREZqIIHsB2kK5XyVOAvO0J8gYvEEiZNOacerY5a3U6m7sjIbdU0IFZI3ESDk UCD+UJZ7kOHvRA6ZNleKmk30jE9KMU7ZfMwnwrOtPxcnmrSbEAIcuTpRV8kaxFQjI9OH ZtZe+Gt6n+g5nXsAGwkiV6RKDJu+m//BqltbE= Received: by 10.114.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr5898376waf.205.1219094014056; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? ( [207.207.79.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm9615139ywc.9.2008.08.18.14.13.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> From: Rob Harrison To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:09 -0700 References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: robhar54@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 23:13:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9e60c246082336821329 Not to worry. This process can very simply be reversed by subsequently printing a corresponding "negative" version of the image, which restores the depleted pixels. AG forgot to mention that very important point. RH On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:02 PM, John Hudson wrote: > > So, if I open an image that is stored on the hard drive and then > print it > using RAM as the medium through which the image is conveyed to the > printer's > printing mechanism are you saying that the image stored on the hard > drive > will be gradually depleted? > > What will be depleted are the printer's reservoirs of inks but the > image on > the hard drive as well ? > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:50 PM > Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld > > >> >> Jan wrote: >>> Simply opening it and closing it without re-saving does no harm. >>> Otherwise, pictures on websites that are repeatedly viewed (which is >>> "opening and closing" them) would rapidly degrade. >> >> Ah, but there is a difference here. Viewing an image doesn't >> degrade it. >> However printing does. The printing process depletes each pixel of >> a bit >> of >> the density. Displaying an image on a monitor is using "additive" >> colors >> whereas printing is "subtractive". If you print an image enough >> times, >> you >> will have subtracted all the bits out of the image. >> >> Good grief, and I have to EXPLAIN all this to you guys? >> >> AG >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 23:50:10 2008 Received: (qmail 19832 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 21:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 21:50:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E89C37ED; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:49:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:49:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB096C3691 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:49:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so5828177gxk.17 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=YWr0byed53qckr473z4PKFTQvXVZprW3XKfvK8+T2ok=; b=Guta876YRaJ580uBEGvdJVMEISbL/0urPt2ovHR4FyWbeVXwRV9x2BaD7ssSf4i96v iNeI8scOx4Gw5FXAJPU6jfZmWKAbzefHKAAdEQxI6w2/KCi9Uw+0X0/Bueu+qTkj7Lbp Ei1xOgDGtqQvyUQSWzaOpoIHhzAhMllYU2C3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=edooHmN0jivqlT70vMN/DAoVlRIDuhkG3aWdhMi9XETjzf35EFhlxcef8qKSAsYIjP 99NAwPHPRSd9fKakmA6N9Gy4m+V4LRpbFHJPfyqpvtEY/knW0iaqEVyySF0UcRlMpEV7 Rpo+qm263NTOznAZCQU6UwacI/BUsLgnoJrZY= Received: by 10.150.229.16 with SMTP id b16mr10474307ybh.133.1219096195242; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.146.10 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:49:55 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 339a1294f191a308 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 23:50:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9ee9255311073733319 True, Rob. You can print a corresponding "negative" for each "positive". This SHOULD balance the losses out. I'd think the gamma might be skewed, though. Oh, and as to working from a "copy", according to wikipedia, that won't work since it does affect not only the original, but the copies too. The only thing safe is a RAW file, but only if it's in DNG format and from a Canon 5D. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Mon Aug 18 23:54:19 2008 Received: (qmail 26451 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 21:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 21:54:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F7DC3D37; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E02C38C3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:54:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 27360 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 21:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 21:54:05 -0000 Message-ID: <48A9EF7C.5020205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:54:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Aug 18 23:54:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9ef8b55281744846740 Wrong on the 5D. It doesn't help. All my images start to degrade as soon as they're viewed on the back of the camera. Those images never look as good as what I know I took. I believe there are not so subtle losses in as little as a few milliseconds. Chuck Nocutt Ken Norton wrote: > True, Rob. You can print a corresponding "negative" for each "positive". > This SHOULD balance the losses out. I'd think the gamma might be skewed, > though. > > Oh, and as to working from a "copy", according to wikipedia, that won't work > since it does affect not only the original, but the copies too. The only > thing safe is a RAW file, but only if it's in DNG format and from a Canon > 5D. > > AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 00:33:12 2008 Received: (qmail 24287 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C19C32EE; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:32:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84326C3342 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c77.2e52da6c (42805) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:32:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:32:31 EDT Subject: [OM] Series 1, 28-90mm f2.8-3.5, on Apug.org for $50? To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 00:33:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9f8a893442336821329 On Apug.org in the classifieds there is a Series 1, 28-90mm f2.8-3.5 fpr sale at $50. Not sure if that is a good or bad deal. however if anyone is interested it is here: _http://www.apug.org/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=7511&sort=1&cat=2&page=1_ (http://www.apug.org/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=7511&sort=1&cat=2&page=1) I have no connection. Bill Barber **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 01:01:35 2008 Received: (qmail 22975 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 23:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:01:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E127C3DDF; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:01:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F265EC3C1B for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:00:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5T00L8GJWK20E0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:00:20 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-117-176.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.117.176]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:55:59 -0300 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:00:50 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsMANCbqUgY3nWw/2dsb2JhbACBXIdcrUADgVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,230,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="288550717" References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 01:01:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48a9ff4f35001499373980 This response does not answer my question. If the image is stored on the computer's hard drive will repeated printing degrade the image file on the hard drive? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Harrison" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld > > Not to worry. This process can very simply be reversed by subsequently > printing a corresponding "negative" version of the image, which > restores the depleted pixels. AG forgot to mention that very important > point. > > RH > > > On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:02 PM, John Hudson wrote: > >> >> So, if I open an image that is stored on the hard drive and then >> print it >> using RAM as the medium through which the image is conveyed to the >> printer's >> printing mechanism are you saying that the image stored on the hard >> drive >> will be gradually depleted? >> >> What will be depleted are the printer's reservoirs of inks but the >> image on >> the hard drive as well ? >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken Norton" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:50 PM >> Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld >> >> >>> >>> Jan wrote: >>>> Simply opening it and closing it without re-saving does no harm. >>>> Otherwise, pictures on websites that are repeatedly viewed (which is >>>> "opening and closing" them) would rapidly degrade. >>> >>> Ah, but there is a difference here. Viewing an image doesn't >>> degrade it. >>> However printing does. The printing process depletes each pixel of >>> a bit >>> of >>> the density. Displaying an image on a monitor is using "additive" >>> colors >>> whereas printing is "subtractive". If you print an image enough >>> times, >>> you >>> will have subtracted all the bits out of the image. >>> >>> Good grief, and I have to EXPLAIN all this to you guys? >>> >>> AG >>> >>> >>> ============================================== >>> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >>> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >>> ============================================== >>> >> >> >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 01:14:55 2008 Received: (qmail 10817 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68D2C2D85; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BFBC2BBD for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 26688 invoked by uid 502); 18 Aug 2008 23:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.164.168) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 23:14:41 -0000 Message-ID: <48AA0257.3060307@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:14:31 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> In-Reply-To: <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 01:14:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa026f116631257536491 John Hudson wrote: > This response does not answer my question. If the image is stored on the computer's hard drive will repeated printing degrade the image file on the hard drive? > Depends on how hard the disk really is. Or on how hard the disk tries. Sharper images are, of course, a greater danger to the disk. Pinhole images hard(ly) cause any damage at all. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 01:23:04 2008 Received: (qmail 28726 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 23:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:23:03 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC14C2DF4; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:22:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:22:52 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84041C28E2 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:22:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d2a.2f30a92d (34917) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA032-886548aa044388; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:22:43 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M35 (mblk-m35.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.79]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA028-5bb948aa0435290; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:22:29 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:22:29 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.79) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:22:29 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACFA06AFD2FFF-D2C-3727@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 01:23:04 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa0458103237927319144 Yes, if the image did not degrade that would clearly violate the Heisenberg uncertainty principle as all the pixel locations would then be known.  I have read on a Fred Miranda forum that there is a special custom setting on the 5D  (gee Chuck, read the manual!) that can prevent this effect, but Schrödinger's cat then dies instantly, and not many people dare implement this mode.  I will defer to the physicists on the list for more detailed explanations. Mike Wrong on the 5D.  It doesn't help.  All my images start to degrade as soon as they're viewed on the back of the camera.  Those images never look as good as what I know I took.  I believe there are not so subtle losses in as little as a few milliseconds. Chuck Nocutt ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 01:25:39 2008 Received: (qmail 24873 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 23:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:25:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5A3C2AC0; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E14C2BC8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:25:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22886 invoked by uid 504); 18 Aug 2008 23:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Aug 2008 23:25:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48AA04E5.8040404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:25:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <8CACFA06AFD2FFF-D2C-3727@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CACFA06AFD2FFF-D2C-3727@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 01:25:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa04f3152974673671140 I'll check it out. I'm not a cat person. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Yes, if the image did not degrade that would clearly violate the > Heisenberg uncertainty principle as all the pixel locations would > then be known. I have read on a Fred Miranda forum that there is a > special custom setting on the 5D (gee Chuck, read the manual!) that > can prevent this effect, but Schrödinger's cat then dies instantly, > and not many people dare implement this mode. I will defer to the > physicists on the list for more detailed explanations. Mike > > > > Wrong on the 5D. It doesn't help. All my images start to degrade as > soon as they're viewed on the back of the camera. Those images > never look as good as what I know I took. I believe there are not so > subtle losses in as little as a few milliseconds. > > Chuck Nocutt > > > > > > ============================================== List usage info: > http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: > olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - > http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - > Release Date: 8/18/2008 6:51 AM > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 01:42:53 2008 Received: (qmail 10661 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 2008 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F69C28C7; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425A4C2850 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.cfe.3adafdc3 (37542) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB023-92a648aa08ec3c8; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:36 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M35 (mblk-m35.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.79]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA025-5bb648aa08e214d; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:27 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] OT images Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:26 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.79) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACFA334A8AF1F-D2C-380D@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 01:42:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa08fd58351823421471 Nice Moose---would have made for an excellent color TOPE shot.? Being from Boston, I am especially partial to those hanging on?the far right.? Noticed the 65mm FL shot was at 1/8 sec.? ?'pod used or perhaps the IS on? the Tammy works quite nicely. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 02:10:33 2008 Received: (qmail 30110 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 00:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:10:33 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AF1C3BB6; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DED6C3C58 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:10:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip10.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.89]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080819001014.GYUN1669.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip10.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:10:14 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0FALWoqUhMRy6o/2dsb2JhbAAIgWu0dYFY Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733416.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.168]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2008 20:07:36 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:10:12 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?US-ASCII?Q?=EF=BF=BD?= orita From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Re: 70-300mmm was Re: Re: Nath an's PAD 7th August 2008: Berlin se =?UTF-8?B?77+9IA==?=orita Thread-Index: AckBj/KqMVHueG2DEd2yXgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <9CDD9B95-DAF1-4267-8162-DC195117A8E4@frozenlight.eu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 02:10:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa0f79202505368819438 It's *very* nicely balanced if you're used to holding the combo by the lens, with the tripod mount as a convenient "anchor". And minor zooming in/out can be done with one hand that way. Michael On 8/15/08 1:49 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" wrote: > ... 50-200mm ... on the E3 it does not feel too unbalanced. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 02:16:19 2008 Received: (qmail 22032 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 00:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:16:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4271FC2987; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:16:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:16:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D91DC28FF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:16:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from simip9.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080819001603.HAKR1669.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:16:03 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FABiuqUhMRy6o/2dsb2JhbAAIgWuOcaYTgVg Received: from bas4-toronto46-1279733416.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([76.71.46.168]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2008 20:20:42 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:15:38 -0400 Subject: [OM] Re: IMG: Nathan's PAW 32: Berlin From: Michael Collins To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 32: Berlin Thread-Index: AckBkLT682dJQG2DEd2yXgAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <9BE98167-0283-4443-8305-385FA277EF7A@frozenlight.eu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: l43g20th@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 02:16:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa10d3233811023412894 I'm late to the party, just back from a weekend up north, but must vote for Alternate 15. I see the contrast of history and today, the "Happy" of the sign and the sad memories of the wall to the left. Michael On 8/15/08 5:18 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" wrote: > > We spent most of last week in Berlin, and I finally finished > processing the pictures this morning (it helps that today is a public > holiday in Spain). I will make a proper gallery, hopefully this > weekend, but in the meantime there was plenty of material for my PAW, > some serious, some less so. There is food (vegetarians beware), > señoritas, fake Commie stuff, WWII memorials and all kinds of other > stuff. There are even a couple of images which were frankly meant as > tests of the 50-200mm lens I had just acquired, but I test lenses in > the Ted Grant way: point the camera at something interesting and CLICK! > > It is all here: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=153 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 02:39:50 2008 Received: (qmail 18702 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 00:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:39:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB307C3910; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FD2C38EB for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5T00LJCOE22BI0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:37:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-117-176.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.117.176]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:44:03 -0300 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:37:45 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsMAJ2yqUgY3nWw/2dsb2JhbACBXIdcrREDgVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,231,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="338195083" References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> <48AA0257.3060307@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 02:39:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa1656192497350615338 For once I think that the urban legend is getting the better of otherwise sensible heads ! The next legend will be that reading one's favourite novel in and of itself degrades the ink with which the words are written. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld > John Hudson wrote: >> This response does not answer my question. If the image is stored on the >> computer's hard drive will repeated printing degrade the image file on >> the hard drive? >> > Depends on how hard the disk really is. > > Or on how hard the disk tries. > > Sharper images are, of course, a greater danger to the disk. > > Pinhole images hard(ly) cause any damage at all. > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 03:32:10 2008 Received: (qmail 15758 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 01:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:32:10 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18212C3733; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:31:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:31:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF95C2AFE for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:31:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so6084990gxk.17 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=vO+W/abF1lzw0o1VewJ7/IdpoPmaL7dM2a8OLz/2HqA=; b=BXpkbd0+cpHUqT7xH4yjl96OfCqCq6Z/+o8vpqYuEwNzeeYTrNrpZ5OQkdCl9fgW7x v6DKBJUhQmObDCAho2LIf3HW0F95memNfjntaN3UGZNkFsBeUfWvynf67LvzeBkOJ9mF SrV5Z6PUO7e15KnbvbXc5o9GvGDOfs//w5g4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=uARjHFTj8q8j0YOGd1V83m3SMewE3fAj0dlLJQnPV3Ppmwu+P7riO1SzdGOVSWH4lM x8RezyYse1itUQP7RsnJxixpAD07p4Si6iH7qnRqMa8st8XZN+MNOh4+ddRgmsF+6BF8 qkBXIrGFOlq30VIBK9G7RAjKD52PZjslCUuK4= Received: by 10.151.103.11 with SMTP id f11mr10780425ybm.190.1219109516103; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.146.10 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:31:55 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> <48AA0257.3060307@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 226a99714fe86856 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 03:32:10 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa229a18451023412894 >The next legend will be that reading one's favourite novel in and of itself >degrades the ink with which the words are written. Actually, this is absolutely true. A book is never as good the second time around. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 03:40:30 2008 Received: (qmail 30267 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 01:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:40:29 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A68C31BC; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:40:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:40:18 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CADEC27AF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:40:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[192.168.1.5]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KVGCn-0004f1-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:40:17 -0400 Message-ID: <48AA24AB.3090402@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:40:59 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <48A9EF7C.5020205@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A9EF7C.5020205@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 03:40:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa248e152517927319144 Told you that digital ain't no good! There are inherent losses in converting from the real world to a digital image! :) Of course the dirty little secret of the photo world is that the same thing happens with film! :) Jim Couch Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Wrong on the 5D. It doesn't help. All my images start to degrade as > soon as they're viewed on the back of the camera. Those images never > look as good as what I know I took. I believe there are not so subtle > losses in as little as a few milliseconds. > > Chuck Nocutt > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 03:48:14 2008 Received: (qmail 19837 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:48:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A78C2C60; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BADC2818 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30880 invoked by uid 502); 19 Aug 2008 01:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.141.3.131) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 19 Aug 2008 01:48:01 -0000 Message-ID: <48AA2641.30604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:47:45 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> <48AA0257.3060307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 03:48:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa265e136031869477228 Ken Norton wrote: >> The next legend will be that reading one's favourite novel in and of itself >> degrades the ink with which the words are written. >> > Actually, this is absolutely true. A book is never as good the second time around. > Yeah, the effect is actually subtler than the digital file problem - the content is actually affected. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 03:50:09 2008 Received: (qmail 5896 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 01:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:50:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256A5C316D; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E6BC31B3 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:49:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[192.168.1.5]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KVGM9-0005wd-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:49:57 -0400 Message-ID: <48AA26F0.8060504@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:50:40 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 03:50:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa26d1161741702588592 Same problem here - it looks like once again I am AV shopping. Seems like most AV products are nearly as bad as the Virus they try to protect us from! :( Jim Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > John - you don't seem as scared as I am :-) > > Do you think problem is at grisoft or at microsoft ? > > Should we go through Restore System ? > > Fernando. > > jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > >> same problem here my laptop says missing bin file. Uninstalled in >> downloaded it again still same problem John >> > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 03:51:12 2008 Received: (qmail 21433 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 01:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:51:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F2DC31DC; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BE1C2E03 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from user-38lmdkb.cable.mindspring.com ([209.91.54.139] helo=[192.168.1.5]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1KVGNA-00063n-00 for olympus@ml.free.fr; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: <48AA272F.7080507@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:51:43 -0700 From: Jim Couch at home User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> In-Reply-To: <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 03:51:12 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa271088803675314703 Jerry, Thanks for the tip, looks like this is the next on the list to try. Jim Couch J. Van Brimmer wrote: > Please - before you go the restore route, try Avast Home Edition > antivirus. I use it on Vista and have no problems with it. I don't know > if your problem is with Grisoft or MS, but at least you can give Avast > a try, it's also free for home use. > > http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html > > > > --jerry > > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 04:20:09 2008 Received: (qmail 32378 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 02:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:20:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25645C2EC7; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738FEC3929 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:19:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so2823065wra.17 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:19:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; bh=8f0UmSZFXh3povrpA3Z33rjzV1EzUz+Uwsy6A6JZhGQ=; b=OjGRJjXyO5+qesHiNuMoI7jKWnOhmfGXI90dNIb6sD+0FNZNtrUKUADA3vAcH+8U35 xcPfWDoCY+cgl6UYD0XxHES//aDH+QZHzcEep5YgLw76IjcCUjFwNPJC6e/haqz9suYT R6/y/baE8GlcLOW+VU5RX3d0q6YIMcEXq4tVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=kCwEbTO95ZY5UUvvlxRVVXijo2KqzSPoXepEtkID1riG3d2F9ne48+787XLXPumHhO zFiqFoMWDP07bo0an2Nyb7XlFswlhoIZj6xVPOCypRi6DUGYyjlOJHT2Fuj9xD9yC9S0 92mwWxjeTfS8IXn0gGzcftVTpWcp+0Gvw8iHI= Received: by 10.90.53.5 with SMTP id b5mr8798655aga.19.1219112395666; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 ( [216.174.58.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h7sm6999208wxd.12.2008.08.18.19.19.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: References: <8CACD52DFD3A6B5-1390-3614@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> <000001c8ff97$89aefbb0$6601a8c0@DSPT60> Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c901a2$129e3e20$6601a8c0@DSPT60> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acj/rqziw3uA9wuyT5SZwFUS/lqiVwB8oNiQ In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: daniel.sepke@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 04:20:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa2dd9181691342116753 I stand corrected regarding the grid screen. My knowledge was based on reading the scant few references to be found online about it and its installation. Thanks for the correct information Mark. I guess there is hope for me as I will now try and get the blank standard to put my custom grid on. Fingers crossed (but breath not held!) for the E-5 to have user changeable screens :) . Dan S. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Mark Dapoz Subject: [OM] Re: digital lenses and manual focusing On Sat, 16 Aug 2008, Daniel Sepke wrote: > > The E-3 only has one focusing screen option from Olympus, the grid "screen" > is actually just an overlay. True focusing screen alternatives are bleak. The FS-3 grid screen is an actual screen and not just an overlay. I just had one installed in my E-3 and I received my old E-3 screen in return (complete in an old OM style screen case :-). The original screen is completely blank and nothing more than a matte screen. I'm sure Olympus could come up with a screen that had some manual focusing aids on it if they wanted to. -mark. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 04:28:09 2008 Received: (qmail 20498 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 02:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:28:08 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50CEC3BDE; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:27:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:27:57 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F36DC3801 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:27:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6073140B2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1684C3140A7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48AA2FAF.2050505@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:27:59 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: OT images Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 08/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 04:28:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa2fb983911993019900 Very nice Moose. I couldn't help noticing that the socks were hung up in matching pairs facing the same direction and even the clothes pins were neatly ordered, yellow, blue, red, green. Throw in the plastic bags to be recycled and the flat tire and I think more than just the laundry is hanging out for the world to see ;) Mike > Moose wrote: > >> > Two bits of domestic life. >> > >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 04:31:17 2008 Received: (qmail 5788 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 02:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:31:16 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7DEC2C0C; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [207.115.11.55]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D925C278A for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:31:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-103.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.103]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080819023059H0500eavq1e>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:31:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.103] Message-ID: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:30:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 04:31:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa3075162481744846740 I'm sorry, folks, but with all this disinformation being bandied about I have to weigh in. This issue was never a problem using the USB 1 specification. USB 2 causes an acceleration phenomenon which damages the electrons being stored. They travel at such a high velocity into the chipset that collisions inevitably occur. These collisions cause the formation of quarks which are formed when subatomic pieces of the electrons are broken off duriing the transfer. Image degradation is unavoidable when particles are accelerated to this extent combined with the resultant dark matter creation. As we all know a=dv/dt, where a is acceleration, v=velocity t=time expressed in seconds, and d is something else. Walmart physicists, and part time photo clerks, were the first to document this effect and the Fermi Lab has confirmed this hypothesis CERN is working with Olympus optical scientists to overcome this degradation. I'm glad I have had the opportunity to set you all straight. Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 04:31:55 2008 Received: (qmail 20656 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE53AC2920; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89928C2AA0 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E203140B2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162BB3140A7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48AA3092.5090503@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:31:46 -0700 From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 Subject: [OM] Re: Chuck's 'round-the-country tour - Yellowstone Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 08/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: watershed@interisland.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 04:31:55 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa309b35309117217770 Moose, After looking at GeeBee's last effort I should think we need the equivalent of an orange filter for those skies. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 05:12:23 2008 Received: (qmail 22928 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 03:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:12:22 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC49C366E; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:12:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:12:11 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF53C32DA for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:12:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7J3C9wP083484 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> In-Reply-To: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:12:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-index: AckBo5/baUSyVe9xTxSUm67jIEY+3AABbDsg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 05:12:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa3a1622331342116753 Finally, someone put this into a language ANYONE could understand. Thanks Bob! -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Bob Docherty Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:31 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld I'm sorry, folks, but with all this disinformation being bandied about I have to weigh in. This issue was never a problem using the USB 1 specification. USB 2 causes an acceleration phenomenon which damages the electrons being stored. They travel at such a high velocity into the chipset that collisions inevitably occur. These collisions cause the formation of quarks which are formed when subatomic pieces of the electrons are broken off duriing the transfer. Image degradation is unavoidable when particles are accelerated to this extent combined with the resultant dark matter creation. As we all know a=dv/dt, where a is acceleration, v=velocity t=time expressed in seconds, and d is something else. Walmart physicists, and part time photo clerks, were the first to document this effect and the Fermi Lab has confirmed this hypothesis CERN is working with Olympus optical scientists to overcome this degradation. I'm glad I have had the opportunity to set you all straight. Bob ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 05:18:08 2008 Received: (qmail 16286 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 03:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:18:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7894C2D4C; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (mail.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us [66.116.71.139]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF3BC351C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.222] (unknown [192.168.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by moenkopi.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28C33107800F for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! From: Scott Gomez To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <48AA26F0.8060504@spokeandsprocket.com> References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <48AA26F0.8060504@spokeandsprocket.com> Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Scott Gomez Consulting Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:17:54 -0700 Message-Id: <1219115874.17803.2.camel@smilodon.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scott@petroglyph.crestline.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 05:18:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa3b70239121838542571 ClamWin (http://www.clamwin.com/), perhaps? Open source Windows version of Linux' ClamAV. --- SG On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 18:50 -0700, Jim Couch at home wrote: > Same problem here - it looks like once again I am AV shopping. Seems > like most AV products are nearly as bad as the Virus they try to protect > us from! :( > > Jim ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 05:36:14 2008 Received: (qmail 26972 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 03:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:36:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEF8C2EFC; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:36:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:36:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6459DC359A for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:36:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7J3a11O090809 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> <48AA0257.3060307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:36:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1BB989FB06F9402EAF6B04C145D85DF1@Alaisdairthree> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-index: AckBm15GFfxp9oPaSw6Mw1z0iLvtjwAERh3Q X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 05:36:14 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa3fae280361591313764 AND, every time you open it, oxygen gets to it and the ink and paper oxidizes. Then we'll have to buy a permit to get a paper cleaner to have anything we read sanitized, betcha some would love to sanitize it before it was read the first time. -----Original Message----- From: image66@gmail.com [mailto:image66@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ken Norton Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:32 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld >The next legend will be that reading one's favourite novel in and of itself >degrades the ink with which the words are written. Actually, this is absolutely true. A book is never as good the second time around. AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 05:54:30 2008 Received: (qmail 31097 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 03:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:54:28 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EE7C33E4; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:54:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:54:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47422C33AB for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:54:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0379116ACF5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aqpv55ciHa72 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE57116ACA3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <856C2446-3676-403B-9D58-2AA6636988DA@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: <20080819013448.993ECC3321@ml.free.fr> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:54:13 -0700 References: <20080819013448.993ECC3321@ml.free.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: Jan@Bytesmiths.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 05:54:30 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa43f6209182046811720 > From: "Ken Norton" > > Jan wrote: >> Simply opening it and closing it without re-saving does no harm. >> Otherwise, pictures on websites that are repeatedly viewed (which is >> "opening and closing" them) would rapidly degrade. > > Ah, but there is a difference here. Viewing an image doesn't > degrade it. > However printing does. The printing process depletes each pixel of > a bit of > the density. Displaying an image on a monitor is using "additive" > colors > whereas printing is "subtractive". If you print an image enough > times, you > will have subtracted all the bits out of the image. > > Good grief, and I have to EXPLAIN all this to you guys? I'm sorry, Ken. I didn't realize we were discussing subtractive printing, and had forgotten about the phenomenon called "bit rot," so named because you can also get it from ROTating an image too many times, which makes the pixels dizzy, and they begin to pass out. But I'm surprised you brought this up without mentioning that if you shine a flashlight inside your computer while printing, the extra light makes up for the subtractive printing process. This is yet another reason why Macs are superior to PCs, because they have tiny, highly efficient LED lamps over each memory chip that automatically come on while printing, while the PCs still, after all these years, require the well-known, time-tested "flashlight in the cabinet trick." (Note: if you use a powerful halogen bulb of at least 50 watts, you can sometimes get by with merely shining it in the slot where the computer's cup holder pops out.) :::: Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff. -- Mariah Carey :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org :::: ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 05:57:39 2008 Received: (qmail 29984 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 03:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 03:57:38 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4825C33AF; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:57:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:57:27 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F8AC3306 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:57:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3116100wfd.5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Ak3WLBpaGRMjfo7PfalJXZto0rFmYvkuMeXZnO/Q6Mg=; b=aflg/43Zb6i/nXnG0UDMrXGJK1vlzq2/y2Dl0tduoU2cdvIzbjtc4kR1VKa90fI+Nq lr7MBR9p54CejEBhKash+TzxGNErQ0Mc/7NtXxLLInbKtKEYWOoo9TgNihw3sH0tqE+9 0b4lJP3ykecf85ysOlsUD7BiigSwDasVinGBs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=tSNGNYoanKkYHwqWT+6zUl61mr8D+33Jcpui2aVBH8yxXr4Jp6iyhX+ZZtXI42FFtP PnoXmKKUONE5+9aGq4+ZExb7+GZWytdnhhdDgmwC2qGlCb+h9Rq/tSqhRJeQ7nvae2dG pY8kf3+w3LDcDXJ3DxGNf6ETi+1fTbtWhI6Jk= Received: by 10.142.240.19 with SMTP id n19mr2345506wfh.12.1219118246545; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.240.1 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:57:26 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 969b06eec5a60bb1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 05:57:39 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa44b349651035110158 >I'm sorry, folks, but with all this disinformation being bandied about I have to weigh in. This issue was never a problem using the USB 1 >specification. USB 2 causes an acceleration phenomenon which damages the electrons being stored. They travel at such a high velocity >into the chipset that collisions inevitably occur... I use Firewire. Quark City! AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 06:04:28 2008 Received: (qmail 28807 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE1DC3941; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:04:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:04:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63E7C2F91 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:04:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-13-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.13.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7J448t7032023 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:04:09 -0300 Message-ID: <48AA463B.50405@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:04:11 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> <48AA272F.7080507@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: <48AA272F.7080507@spokeandsprocket.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 18/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 06:04:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa464c266681499373980 Some words about the Restore route: Done it before Jerry advice came; there, one week ago in the system, I read what Jerry posted and installed Avast!. Then and there, I found that every app of my Adobe Creative Suite CS3 cried and shouted to be activated again !! :-( Had to restore back to the point of departure, and three apps I had installed disappeared ... their folders had only some files inside. But wow ! - CS3 didn't ask for another activation, and could reinstall the missing apps. Done that by intuition only. Then I installed Avast! again (IIRC, uninstalled before restoring back) - think it's very complete but slow to scan a couple of 120 disks in mirror raid array. What a night that was .... I won this battle, and feeling confident, started the up to sp3. Wish me luck - :-) Fernando. Jim Couch at home wrote: > Jerry, > > Thanks for the tip, looks like this is the next on the list to try. > > Jim Couch > > J. Van Brimmer wrote: > >> Please - before you go the restore route, try Avast Home Edition >> antivirus. I use it on Vista and have no problems with it. I don't know >> if your problem is with Grisoft or MS, but at least you can give Avast >> a try, it's also free for home use. >> >> http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html >> >> >> >> --jerry >> >> ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 07:40:48 2008 Received: (qmail 27916 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 05:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 05:40:48 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7C7C2BA6; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:40:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:40:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail.cruzio.com (mail.cruzio.com [63.249.95.37]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CEFC2D4F for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:40:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alaisdairthree (dsl-63-249-91-226.cruzio.com [63.249.91.226]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id m7J5eZZU025219 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott Peden" To: References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <48A9EF7C.5020205@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A9EF7C.5020205@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:40:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-index: AckBfO/yJz8pgW5vRH2dOTfInKglNgAQSNbA X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: scotpeden@cruzio.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 07:40:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa5ce0133231823421471 OMG... And Olympus uses this as an improvement too..... -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:54 PM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Wrong on the 5D. It doesn't help. All my images start to degrade as soon as they're viewed on the back of the camera. Those images never look as good as what I know I took. I believe there are not so subtle losses in as little as a few milliseconds. Chuck Nocutt Ken Norton wrote: > True, Rob. You can print a corresponding "negative" for each "positive". > This SHOULD balance the losses out. I'd think the gamma might be skewed, > though. > > Oh, and as to working from a "copy", according to wikipedia, that won't work > since it does affect not only the original, but the copies too. The only > thing safe is a RAW file, but only if it's in DNG format and from a Canon > 5D. > > AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 08:08:53 2008 Received: (qmail 28247 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 06:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 06:08:52 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3547C339F; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:08:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:08:41 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9866CC35C9 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:08:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3013.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 77E28B400082 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:08:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from GeeBee (unknown [91.107.125.17]) by mwinf3013.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A832FB400081 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:08:39 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080819060839689.A832FB400081@mwinf3013.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <000d01c901c2$1ad464a0$117d6b5b@GeeBee> From: "Gee Bee" To: "OM List" Subject: [OM] #161 Gayton Northamptonshire Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:09:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: graham@geebeephoto.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 08:08:53 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa637511761744846740 Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 135mm f2.8 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08161.htm --Graham http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 09:09:54 2008 Received: (qmail 21532 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 07:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 07:09:53 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA41CC2F7C; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id B22F7C3C17 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 22012 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 07:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 07:09:37 -0000 In-Reply-To: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:09:33 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 09:09:54 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa71c2219951823421471 Subatomic pieces of the electrons? Hmmmm. There's no charge for that, sir. Now it is possible to reduce electron velocity by using a card reader instead and under no circumstances should a USB cable be coiled while in use - that will cause serious acceleration. This all of course presupposes that we've got any idea where the electrons actually...are. Now I have noted that images I was absolutely certain were good on the LCD become much more uncertain on the computer screen and from time to time, I am completely uncertain as to where they are. I open the DCIM file and the 'superb image' waveform collapses completely. As the camera is merely a black box on the back of the lens, it seems clear that accelerated photons are wandering around in a diffuse sort of way in there and driving me to diffraction. I need clarification as to whether viewing the image on the LCD, chimping, qualifies as opening the box, or downloading the image file or do I have to remove the lens to be absolutely certain as to the fate of the photons? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 19/08/2008, at 12:30 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: > > I'm sorry, folks, but with all this disinformation being bandied > about I have to weigh in. This issue was never a problem using the > USB 1 specification. USB 2 causes an acceleration phenomenon which > damages the electrons being stored. They travel at such a high > velocity into the chipset that collisions inevitably occur. These > collisions cause the formation of quarks which are formed when > subatomic pieces of the electrons are broken off duriing the > transfer. Image degradation is unavoidable when particles are > accelerated to this extent combined with the resultant dark matter > creation. > As we all know a=dv/dt, where a is acceleration, v=velocity t=time > expressed in seconds, and d is something else. Walmart physicists, > and part time photo clerks, were the first to document this effect > and the Fermi Lab has confirmed this hypothesis CERN is working > with Olympus optical scientists to overcome this degradation. > I'm glad I have had the opportunity to set you all straight. > > Bob > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 09:26:28 2008 Received: (qmail 17126 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 07:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 07:26:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA5CC28B4; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:26:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:26:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C946C32FD for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:26:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1721938nfi.19 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:26:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JIWQXOFBqfsgBiSk50Z1FKKWia3YLPyeUQMgHnbLxaU=; b=EAhO/X5VFNKkzqmGDzOPkyvhxzdZP1zbRsSFk3rOE2XyyBQEap/hmKBNQprX5d+fUW 5fR+5YuOiF9t2HjLH+bckxuELtHBjaui/NZugIY8gBXl1tfIqP5IMvOoc6EUhmxFuCtH luRaoRqzIBv/YguIt/utDZfOeTOu6Fv20EDe0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Nc82vgJWEXhp1C9lsdGbuWvFc6u01/TI4RM++fHpOaSkfLlMZmnoEUIEFZmVHUh26u kbCUCq7ZxktMll7iZsUqF9Peh5z2Jq01co5ZjAbrGC+kltTNBLhTopYm+NSsI+p84x1e btxMAbJSyV5/B3hzXzCvoMwDUpDidGqcFTCKg= Received: by 10.187.252.4 with SMTP id e4mr430019fas.13.1219130776226; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.187.158.17 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:26:16 +0100 From: "Ian Nichols" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ian.a.nichols@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 09:26:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa75a4117923675314703 2008/8/19 Andrew Fildes : > > Subatomic pieces of the electrons? Hmmmm. There's no charge for that, > sir. Actually, there is - but you get 67% discount compared to the same number of electrons when you have quarks. Hey! they're ripping us off, with their high speed card readers - turning all our electrons into quarks but charging us the full price for electrons! -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 12:08:01 2008 Received: (qmail 304 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 10:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 10:08:00 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6A8C27CC; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0899CC2869 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5U00LMSESY2FT0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:07:46 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-117-176.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.117.176]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:03:14 -0300 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:08:09 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsMACM4qkgY3nWw/2dsb2JhbACBW4dcq2YDgVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,234,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="156386775" References: <20080815013214.ED87AC33A8@ml.free.fr> <9DE11F7DFD4E440FA82BB852BD96F02C@hudson> <2AFD4685-1699-4C4C-8281-146536FABF57@gmail.com> <7AB5BE8F955747399D065E7F388D9C9C@hudson> <48AA0257.3060307@gmail.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 12:08:01 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aa9b81157591257536491 I've heard the same opinion from people who read pulp fiction and grocery store check out romance novels ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld > >>The next legend will be that reading one's favourite novel in and of >>itself >>degrades the ink with which the words are written. > > Actually, this is absolutely true. A book is never as good the second > time > around. > > AG > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 13:06:07 2008 Received: (qmail 29750 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 11:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 11:06:06 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C7BC2784; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:05:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:05:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656A8C2BBA for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:05:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hpd220 (adsl-241-32-103.sdf.bellsouth.net[74.241.32.103]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080819110549H0500eahkje>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:05:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.241.32.103] Message-ID: <00ba01c901eb$87f08900$6601a8c0@hpd220> From: "Bob Docherty" To: References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:05:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: lostkase@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 13:06:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aaa91f73481585427447 But you forgot as originally observed the affect was only noticed when a thumb drive was used at the local Wallymart. Firewire heats the electrons and the expansion gives the electrons a baby buggy bumper protective field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > I use Firewire. Quark City! > > AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 13:51:22 2008 Received: (qmail 32019 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 11:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 11:51:21 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B50C2DDB; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974C7C2932 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:51:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7324 invoked by uid 504); 19 Aug 2008 11:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 19 Aug 2008 11:51:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48AAB3AC.1020705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:51:08 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: #161 Gayton Northamptonshire References: <000d01c901c2$1ad464a0$117d6b5b@GeeBee> In-Reply-To: <000d01c901c2$1ad464a0$117d6b5b@GeeBee> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 13:51:22 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aab3ba135651234514069 I like it but think it may be compressed a bit too much. Tonal gradation seems a bit choppy to me. Chuck Norcutt Gee Bee wrote: > Olympus OM2 SP : Zuiko 135mm f2.8 : orange filter : Kodak Professional BW400 CN > > http://www.geebeephoto.com/2008/08161.htm > > > --Graham > http://www.geebeephoto.com ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:03:33 2008 Received: (qmail 5641 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:03:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DBCC31B6; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:03:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:03:21 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E89F4C3DA7 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:03:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 16216 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 12:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:03:17 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Help! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:03:12 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:03:33 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aab695249331035110158 Have a problem. I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but there are few available here compared to the US market. Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post it OS. Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera for me if the seller won't play ball? Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the opportunity to tell me to go bury my head). You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you again, no matter how much it hurts! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:17:32 2008 Received: (qmail 13529 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:17:32 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60259C3C1A; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E345C357D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5U00LMHKR225X0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:16:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-117-176.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.117.176]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:11:40 -0300 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:16:39 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Help! To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsMAKdWqkgY3nWw/2dsb2JhbACBXIdcq1MDgVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,235,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="156466125" References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:17:32 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aab9dc212482336821329 Andrew: Forget digital ............. with all this bs crap about degrading images it's enough to want to return to film. This could be right up your alley. http://www.thecamerastore.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=32947 and the price is right. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: [OM] Help! > > Have a problem. > I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but there > are few available here compared to the US market. > Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post it OS. > Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera for > me if the seller won't play ball? > Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be > prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the opportunity > to tell me to go bury my head). > > You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you > again, no matter how much it hurts! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:24:57 2008 Received: (qmail 28271 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:24:56 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF11C2CBC; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:24:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:24:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791FDC2FD4 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7JCOYah030763 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:24:41 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Help! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:24:28 +1000 Message-ID: <001201c901f6$8715df70$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-reply-to: <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AckB85s+E111dcS7Sa+IRAXnKPXyYQAAs3Yg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:24:57 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aabb99199181702588592 > > You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you > again, no matter how much it hurts! > Andrew Fildes Geez, that's gotta be worth something ! ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:28:43 2008 Received: (qmail 1364 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:28:42 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB13C2C51; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:28:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:28:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39772C2864 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:28:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skopar (d58-104-62-119.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.62.119]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7JCSFMd013800 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:28:26 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: Subject: [OM] Re: Help! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:28:10 +1000 Message-ID: <001301c901f7$0dee9820$0601010a@meo.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-reply-to: <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AckB9Y66B6wFJoAlQWmtB1ZE2feUUwAAUBUg X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:28:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aabc7b46858512572685 > > http://www.thecamerastore.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=32947 > > and the price is right. > I dunno about the price being right, you can actually buy a decent camera with a real lens for much less than that, it might be used though. ...Wayne ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:32:36 2008 Received: (qmail 22514 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:32:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC13AC2799; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:32:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:32:23 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DDEC3135 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:32:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so6564731gxk.17 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:32:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=WFl/1leDqjc15F1Bh0Zl+jxLTn2dBcGM2wXugviI+x0=; b=c32Q0IHHAqB3J0p5K4FJt9e90xH5Bf6KvD9zY4HJfVT1lLUt7c9bYwHL6wRUnTZHsq EAFLP8FEG7APeovL8Uqpi/AkLoYYGG5arPbCRUDR8mFxel+0ywTd16XBWYvmmCmn7ip1 M0oLGVpiXVf9AQaZZUefjoTCd0QP+fFgkerKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Kd2C5eevrfp0/lRK8DLVpe1FhK+2yGAVhnXqcw+Tuzzq8Ts2v1W4ECaqhvBUzs52Uh pzBfXRmKpXl3ma9gFSN8h24JjdiR0qQjUs7W2u/ezN8HFtYwF+bXbDmTwGO0LJjLn+I2 CjiG7Wd/xWggwLcfMxgS5QDqWOdN27asnFsUo= Received: by 10.151.149.14 with SMTP id b14mr187729ybo.24.1219149142653; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.146.10 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:32:22 -0500 From: "Ken Norton" Sender: image66@gmail.com To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 221bab9d46ef1a45 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: ken@zone-10.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:32:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aabd6313521838542571 >Now it is possible to reduce electron velocity by using a card reader >instead and under no circumstances should a USB cable be coiled while >in use - that will cause serious acceleration. I believe that "Monster Cable" now has a "Quark Free USB Cable". AG ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:56:18 2008 Received: (qmail 15406 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:56:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF6EC33FE; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 88942C2D89 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:56:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25777 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 12:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:56:03 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <86C0E1B9-84F7-4756-BCB5-35041B8D18A1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Help! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:55:58 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:56:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aac2f2141811035110158 Maaaate - that's a reissue! Not the same. And I've got a Diana clone - same in all but name (Color DeLuxe, something like that) in the box with flash and everything. Reissues! Like the Leica M4P - just not the same. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 19/08/2008, at 10:16 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Forget digital ............. with all this bs crap about degrading > images > it's enough to want to return to film. > > This could be right up your alley. > > http://www.thecamerastore.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=32947 > > and the price is right. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:57:02 2008 Received: (qmail 20662 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:57:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:57:02 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67604C2F58; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:56:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:56:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB5BC2C65 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:56:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29395 invoked by uid 504); 19 Aug 2008 12:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.3?) (chucknorcutt@69.204.219.61) by ns1.s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 19 Aug 2008 12:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <48AAC311.1020808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:56:49 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help! References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:57:02 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aac31e243431946193717 I'll play if no one else does but the timing is tight. I'm leaving in a week for some vacation before I take my big vacation trip. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Have a problem. > I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but there > are few available here compared to the US market. > Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post it OS. > Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera for > me if the seller won't play ball? > Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be > prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the opportunity > to tell me to go bury my head). > > You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you > again, no matter how much it hurts! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 14:58:40 2008 Received: (qmail 9594 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:58:39 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDB3C34B5; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 788D7C2950 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:58:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25876 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 12:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 12:58:25 -0000 In-Reply-To: <001301c901f7$0dee9820$0601010a@meo.dec.com> References: <001301c901f7$0dee9820$0601010a@meo.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Help! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:58:20 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 14:58:40 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aac380210121585427447 Indeed - I can buy an old Kodak digital for less than that, (no, not the DCS 420!) - blow the image up with rough interpolation and get a very Diana result. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 19/08/2008, at 10:28 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> >> http://www.thecamerastore.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=32947 >> >> and the price is right. >> > > I dunno about the price being right, you can actually buy a decent > camera > with a real lens for much less than that, it might be used though. > > ...Wayne > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 15:01:15 2008 Received: (qmail 32239 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 13:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 13:01:14 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB16AC39DA; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE7BC3802 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:01:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so3349514wfd.5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:00:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4rh7uKO9uN3UzZ2gZ2yLuR8Tnr6reEHWyOLhDLfFptk=; b=gOKQP/4qZT90hJorRjQNqaWWz53hvD6/0veOH56og6rHrINiq3SHK2F2jRPRsdCBXq JFJQiGK2KdK9W5wEAhPf8dItQf19M16VfBfHyhqwDSWyQPUiWi1zAVO7V9W9ODc1+fRU XpvHggdfMAVUW8vkBGM8XDXRhbcKE/NVDTBmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bzZpkKxvnavYYalPbPBTLOxIOGQFvfH0nP1xI9Ri/OtcXuB0DMuoG5avvKrariSBII KLv713XzlTFWuwnWhq3myygYmKkqQivz+Sofrx3gkXp94WgBk9eKARmrJIlvvTGaAB19 BsL++JbnZ47lXAAL6O9qIQi8qPxYB5Jjr4CNI= Received: by 10.142.48.14 with SMTP id v14mr2503661wfv.14.1219150854600; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.216.7 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3be4f4a80808190600w5ee4327epc448bb89aaa29769@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:00:54 +0200 From: "Bart Wientjes" To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Urban Legend Heard at Wallyworld In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: bartjew@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 15:01:15 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aac41b318142070262475 Rumor has it that scientists are working on methods to store images by capturing photons directly into chemical sensors, without intervention of electronics. That would be soooooooo cool. Bart On 8/19/08, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Subatomic pieces of the electrons? Hmmmm. There's no charge for that, > sir. > Now it is possible to reduce electron velocity by using a card reader > instead and under no circumstances should a USB cable be coiled while > in use - that will cause serious acceleration. This all of course > presupposes that we've got any idea where the electrons actually...are. > Now I have noted that images I was absolutely certain were good on > the LCD become much more uncertain on the computer screen and from > time to time, I am completely uncertain as to where they are. I open > the DCIM file and the 'superb image' waveform collapses completely. > As the camera is merely a black box on the back of the lens, it seems > clear that accelerated photons are wandering around in a diffuse sort > of way in there and driving me to diffraction. I need clarification > as to whether viewing the image on the LCD, chimping, qualifies as > opening the box, or downloading the image file or do I have to remove > the lens to be absolutely certain as to the fate of the photons? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 19/08/2008, at 12:30 PM, Bob Docherty wrote: > > > > > I'm sorry, folks, but with all this disinformation being bandied > > about I have to weigh in. This issue was never a problem using the > > USB 1 specification. USB 2 causes an acceleration phenomenon which > > damages the electrons being stored. They travel at such a high > > velocity into the chipset that collisions inevitably occur. These > > collisions cause the formation of quarks which are formed when > > subatomic pieces of the electrons are broken off duriing the > > transfer. Image degradation is unavoidable when particles are > > accelerated to this extent combined with the resultant dark matter > > creation. > > As we all know a=dv/dt, where a is acceleration, v=velocity t=time > > expressed in seconds, and d is something else. Walmart physicists, > > and part time photo clerks, were the first to document this effect > > and the Fermi Lab has confirmed this hypothesis CERN is working > > with Olympus optical scientists to overcome this degradation. > > I'm glad I have had the opportunity to set you all straight. > > > > Bob > > > > ============================================== > > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > > ============================================== > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 15:37:11 2008 Received: (qmail 14874 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 13:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 13:37:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC73C28A6; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net (pps20.mail.medcity.net [199.91.36.34]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BE7C327D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps20.mail.medcity.net ([10.90.91.84]) by FWDCLZMSGPMG01B.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7JDat0U028268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:36:55 -0500 Received: from Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net (ftwexcon01.hca.corpad.net [10.90.91.36]) by FWDCLPMSGPMG02A.hca.corpad.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7JDatkS012840 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:36:55 -0500 Received: from NASEV03.hca.corpad.net ([10.26.24.32]) by Hcahealthcare20.mail.medcity.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:36:55 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [OM] Re: Help! 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Charlie PS Since I'm usually off your radar screen, I'll sell your voucher to the highest bidder. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:olympus-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Andrew Fildes Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03 AM To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Help! Have a problem. I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but there are few available here compared to the US market. Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post it OS. Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera for me if the seller won't play ball? Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the opportunity to tell me to go bury my head). You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you again, no matter how much it hurts! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 16:06:35 2008 Received: (qmail 4460 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 14:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 14:06:34 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6452C281A; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:22 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id DDEC3C2912 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 28480 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2008 14:06:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=a7Azh94ev9SZi825E8G6suny5XDQJS1uxy0jJExzGoxNNa7tiQmGOOelkWQ51W4gY3KqIjLf9/a6cuYsiYVKo/RDGgT84FSGfECFiFlOj+pQjEEhCs6Ga37zrjgLYo9i/idtwHvrqkNszrC9EZXNF3htQJQ3BmrYvy0fcwdgFp4=; Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:06:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: AS Subject: [OM] Re: Help! To: olympus@ml.free.fr In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <15389.28169.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: alizookoman@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 16:06:35 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48aad36b218117927319144 Do you want a Digital Mavica 2? There is one on local craigslist. ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 20:12:08 2008 Received: (qmail 25728 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 18:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 18:12:07 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B280C355B; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:11:53 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092B9C33DD for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:11:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.d2b.322e5ae7 (37530) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB013-929a48ab0ce2237; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:11:46 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M18 (mblk-m18.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.51]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA021-5bb248ab0ccc318; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:11:24 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help! Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:11:24 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.51) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:11:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAD03E200CC2F2-1428-19BA@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 20:12:08 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab0cf8242831073733319 I could be a back up shipper for you for this time or in the future.? If they don't wish to ship to a 3rd party, I could place a snipe---I almost never can follow auctions with my crummy hectic schedule. Mike Andrew, ??????? I'd be happy to help out. Charlie PS Since I'm usually off your radar screen, I'll sell your voucher to the highest bidder. -----Original Message----- From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Fildes Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03 AM To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: [OM] Help! Have a problem. I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but there? are few available here compared to the US market. Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post it OS. Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera for? me if the seller won't play ball? Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be? prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the opportunity? to tell me to go bury my head). You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you? again, no matter how much it hurts! Andrew Fildes afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 20:22:20 2008 Received: (qmail 23872 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8833C2F1E; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:22:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:22:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC922C2CDA for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4537 invoked by uid 502); 19 Aug 2008 18:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.199.89) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 19 Aug 2008 18:22:06 -0000 Message-ID: <48AB0F47.8040203@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:21:59 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help! References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> In-Reply-To: <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 20:22:20 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab0f5c106083675314703 John Hudson wrote: > Andrew: > > Forget digital ............. with all this bs crap about degrading images it's enough to want to return to film. > > This could be right up your alley. > The Diana+ is available several places, inlcuding B&H an Adorama, for $50 or less. And it seriously degrades image with no use of electrons. :-) Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 20:22:37 2008 Received: (qmail 16251 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 18:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 18:22:36 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2012FC3203; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F906C2B5C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4802 invoked by uid 502); 19 Aug 2008 18:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.199.89) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 19 Aug 2008 18:22:23 -0000 Message-ID: <48AB0F5B.4030003@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:22:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: Help! References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 20:22:37 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab0f6d100391946193717 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Have a problem. > I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but there are few available here compared to the US market. > Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post it OS. > Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera for me if the seller won't play ball? > Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the opportunity to tell me to go bury my head). > > You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you again, no matter how much it hurts! > I'd be happy to help, but I don't want the voucher. Where'd the fun be in that? Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 23:20:56 2008 Received: (qmail 23630 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 21:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 21:20:55 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06605C2F7C; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:20:43 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A6A3C38D6 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3726 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 21:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 21:20:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <48AB0F5B.4030003@gmail.com> References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <48AB0F5B.4030003@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <3C9F5592-2EB6-4863-9AB6-4815E815C848@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Help! Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:20:35 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 23:20:56 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab3938282601591313764 Guys - I'm touched. Five offers so far - obviously I'm not as annoying as I thought. I got a Leica Digilux Zoom yesterday - arrived from a US thrift shop work project. Lovely thing and peculiar design - made by Fuji but, well, red spots are sexy. I was nervous because they advertised it untested but the battery and charger from a Kodak DC4800 fit fine and it runs beautifully! Even had a 128M Smartmedia card in it with about 100 images on it - some family but some of terrific scenery. I might run a comp to see if you lot can identify the snow capped peaks involved. I'll start getting some pages together on the cameras with images when I get time to breathe. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 20/08/2008, at 4:22 AM, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Have a problem. >> I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but >> there are few available here compared to the US market. >> Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post >> it OS. >> Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera >> for me if the seller won't play ball? >> Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be >> prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the >> opportunity to tell me to go bury my head). >> >> You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you >> again, no matter how much it hurts! >> > I'd be happy to help, but I don't want the voucher. Where'd the fun be > in that? > > Moose > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 23:21:10 2008 Received: (qmail 12778 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 21:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 21:21:09 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F823C350D; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8835EC3DB5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:20:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3740 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 21:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.8?) (218.215.137.138) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 21:20:54 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <15389.28169.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <15389.28169.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <4E3D6E86-B836-41AF-82C7-46A0DA29C252@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes Subject: [OM] Re: Help! Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:20:52 +1000 To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: afildes@people.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 23:21:09 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab3945183961234514069 Mavica 2? AFAIK the earliest Mavica (1997) was th FD5 (0.3 meg, fixed focal length) followed by the FD7 (zoom version). These were replaced by the FD71 and then FD73. I'm interested in getting the FD5 and the FD95 (first image stabilised - a monster). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 20/08/2008, at 12:06 AM, AS wrote: > > Do you want a Digital Mavica 2? There is one on local craigslist. > > > > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Tue Aug 19 23:37:36 2008 Received: (qmail 7556 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 21:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 21:37:35 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27EFC355F; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:37:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:37:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C81C3697 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5V00DJ1APVIRA0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@ml.free.fr; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:37:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-117-176.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.117.176]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:30:22 -0300 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:37:30 -0300 From: John Hudson Subject: [OM] Re: Help! To: olympus@ml.free.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsOAKjZqkgY3nWw/2dsb2JhbACBXIdcrSkDgVg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,237,1217818800"; d="scan'208";a="300954970" References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <48AB0F5B.4030003@gmail.com> <3C9F5592-2EB6-4863-9AB6-4815E815C848@people.net.au> X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: OM4T@eastlink.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 19 23:37:36 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab3d20319857350615338 Leica made by Fuji ? You've been had maaaaaate :-) jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: [OM] Re: Help! > > Guys - I'm touched. Five offers so far - obviously I'm not as > annoying as I thought. > I got a Leica Digilux Zoom yesterday - arrived from a US thrift shop > work project. Lovely thing and peculiar design - made by Fuji but, > well, red spots are sexy. I was nervous because they advertised it > untested but the battery and charger from a Kodak DC4800 fit fine and > it runs beautifully! Even had a 128M Smartmedia card in it with about > 100 images on it - some family but some of terrific scenery. I might > run a comp to see if you lot can identify the snow capped peaks > involved. > I'll start getting some pages together on the cameras with images > when I get time to breathe. > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 20/08/2008, at 4:22 AM, Moose wrote: > >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Have a problem. >>> I've developed a taste for old and weird digital cameras - but >>> there are few available here compared to the US market. >>> Lost a Kodak DC50 the other day because the seller wouldn't post >>> it OS. >>> Is there a murkin here who would be prepared to tranship a camera >>> for me if the seller won't play ball? >>> Got my eye on one right but the seller is a newbie and may not be >>> prepared to take my bid (and I don't want to give him the >>> opportunity to tell me to go bury my head). >>> >>> You get a voucher declaring that I will never disagree with you >>> again, no matter how much it hurts! >>> >> I'd be happy to help, but I don't want the voucher. Where'd the fun be >> in that? >> >> Moose >> >> ============================================== >> List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com >> List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr >> ============================================== >> > > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 00:03:13 2008 Received: (qmail 1673 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 22:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 22:03:11 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2F0C33E6; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:02:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:02:59 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED55C2927 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:02:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18775 invoked by uid 502); 19 Aug 2008 22:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.205.39) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 19 Aug 2008 22:02:58 -0000 Message-ID: <48AB4307.9050505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:02:47 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Diana+ and pinholes [was Help!] References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> <86C0E1B9-84F7-4756-BCB5-35041B8D18A1@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <86C0E1B9-84F7-4756-BCB5-35041B8D18A1@people.net.au> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 00:03:13 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab4321269431234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Maaaate - that's a reissue! Not the same. No, not quite the same. Slightly better in two aspects important to me. The new one has a removable lens, which leads to many interesting possibilities. With the lens removed and aperture set to P, it becomes a pinhole camera. I've just used up may too much time and too many looking molecules checking out images on the web. From my perspective, I've clearly confirmed what I suggested a few days ago. Pinholes on the 5D give a very different looking sort of image than those on larger format, film cameras. I simply didn't like almost all of the 5D/pinhole images I found. Tonalities and contrast transitions not as creamy smooth, with a hard to describe blocky or edgy quality on most. On the other hand, there were many lovely images, both colour and B&W, taken with the Diana+ pinhole setting. Based on images perused, I'd say the Diana+ is the outstanding deal in pinhole cameras at the moment. As I said in my previous post, I suspect the difference has much to do with pinhole size and distance from film/sensor. I would expect smaller sensor cameras to have the same or worse results, as the softer corners and vignetting would be cut off. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 00:14:18 2008 Received: (qmail 512 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B429CC2E9B; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD33C371A for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c20.43d8918b (41810) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:14:02 EDT Subject: [OM] Re: Diana+ and pinholes [was Help!] To: olympus@ml.free.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5043 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: NSURIT@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 00:14:18 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab45ba207709347015869 I'm using a Diana+ and have not used the pinhole feature because the little plastic deal you stab in the side of the camera to keep the shutter open is a piece of cr#p. Let me rephrase that, "The method of making long exposures with the Diana+ is a bit challenging." The Diana+ on the other hand, has produced some wonderful images for me. Yes, it is a cheap plastic camera and I've taped it up a bit to prevent light leaks, however it will remain in my kit as a very useful tool. In fairness to the Diana+, perhaps the main reason I haven't figured a work around on the shutter release is that I have several other much better choices for pinhole photography. Bill Barber **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 01:21:19 2008 Received: (qmail 90 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50181C341D; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:21:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:21:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC805C33FD for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id t.c61.32feb326 (37144) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA036-911848ab555b56; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:20:59 -0400 Received: from MBLK-M18 (mblk-m18.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.51]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA025-5c4f48ab5557138; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:20:55 -0400 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] #161 Gayton Northamptonshire Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:20:55 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.51) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:20:55 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAD0695D08C5FE-E34-90B@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: usher99@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 01:21:19 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab556f199557927319144 Here we are completely reworking quantum mechanics and you just have to post a completely on topic classic Graham image.? The nerve. Mike ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 04:46:28 2008 Received: (qmail 3147 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2008 02:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 02:46:27 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9903BC3097; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB56C34DB for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:46:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 29491 invoked by uid 502); 20 Aug 2008 02:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.183.119) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 20 Aug 2008 02:46:14 -0000 Message-ID: <48AB8573.3080006@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:46:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] DianaF+ pinhole pinhole deal References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> <86C0E1B9-84F7-4756-BCB5-35041B8D18A1@people.net.au> <48AB4307.9050505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48AB4307.9050505@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 04:46:28 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab85846142070262475 For anyone thinking about going this direction..... Amazon has had a listing for the Diana F+, with matching vintage style flash, for $40. the catch wa that expected deliver time was listed as 1-2 months. Today sometime, it switched to saying they were coming in on Aug. 21st. Whether one wants the flash (and hotshoe adapter for others) or not, $40 including shipping is cheaper by $10 or more than anyone else for the plain Diana+. The F+ generally goes for about $80. So, fool that I am, there is one coming to Berkeley soon - along with a 5-pack of 120 film. Thank goodness I like color; I can have someone else develop it. I just knew that acquiring a scanner that does MF would get me in trouble. ;-) I mean ... I don't even have a tank for 120. Or did that plastic one adjust? :-D Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 04:54:21 2008 Received: (qmail 29964 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2008 02:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 02:54:20 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFEFC28F6; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:54:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:54:09 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2665C2DBE for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:54:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2281 invoked by uid 502); 20 Aug 2008 02:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.206.72) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 20 Aug 2008 02:54:08 -0000 Message-ID: <48AB874C.9050108@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:54:04 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Re: OT images References: <00d501c900f7$9607b760$145f6b5b@GeeBee> <48A911D1.1000107@gmail.com> <48A926AD.4060506@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A926AD.4060506@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 04:54:21 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab875d91731023412894 montsnmags@gmail.com wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> Two bits of domestic life. >> http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=Miscellaneous&image=_MG_4511corcrii.jpg >> > Prayer flags. > Wow, I didn't see that until you mentioned it. And we have Tibetan prayer flags along the front of the house. > I guess they're praying for dry weather. > That was indeed the case. Fog and damp rolled in just when they were put out. Thanks also to Chuck, Chris, Andrew, Tom F. Mike L. and Nathan for the kind words! usher99@aol.com wrote: > ... Noticed the 65mm FL shot was at 1/8 sec.? ?'pod used or perhaps the IS on? the Tammy works quite nicely. > Mike You know, I didn't even think about the IS, so it was shot on a tripod with the IS turned on. I think that's supposed to be a no-no, but it caused no trouble in the resultant image. Moose ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 05:04:50 2008 Received: (qmail 651 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2008 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77695C3835; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:04:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:04:35 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F21C3779 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:04:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jimnichols (adsl-074-181-105-141.sip.bna.bellsouth.net[74.181.105.141]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20080820030433H06009tel5e>; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:04:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.181.105.141] Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> <86C0E1B9-84F7-4756-BCB5-35041B8D18A1@people.net.au> <48AB4307.9050505@gmail.com> <48AB8573.3080006@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Re: DianaF+ pinhole pinhole deal Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:04:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: jhnichols@bellsouth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 05:04:50 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab89d2107534673671140 Moose, You might consider the path that I took when we decided to digitize my late father-in-law's negatives, from 120 through split 5x7 portrait negatives. I bought an early Epson Perfection 2450 scanner off of the auction site. As I recall, it was around $100. I still have a long way to go to finish the job, but the results are not bad at all. As an added benefit, the scanner turns my computer into a copier and fax machine as a bonus. As an example, here is the link to a shot by an unknown photographer with unknown equipment, from the San Diego area around 1926. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/San+Diego+Scene+Circa+1926.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: [OM] DianaF+ pinhole pinhole deal > For anyone thinking about going this direction..... > > Amazon has had a listing for the Diana F+, with matching vintage style > flash, for $40. the catch wa that expected deliver time was listed as > 1-2 months. Today sometime, it switched to saying they were coming in on > Aug. 21st. > > Whether one wants the flash (and hotshoe adapter for others) or not, $40 > including shipping is cheaper by $10 or more than anyone else for the > plain Diana+. The F+ generally goes for about $80. > > So, fool that I am, there is one coming to Berkeley soon - along with a > 5-pack of 120 film. > > Thank goodness I like color; I can have someone else develop it. I just > knew that acquiring a scanner that does MF would get me in trouble. ;-) > > I mean ... I don't even have a tank for 120. Or did that plastic one > adjust? :-D > > Moose > > > ============================================== > List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com > List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr > ============================================== > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 05:55:47 2008 Received: (qmail 4424 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2008 03:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 03:55:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F5CC2D25; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:55:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:55:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (smtp-2.chasque.net [200.40.135.27]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5694EC2FDD for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-8-244.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.8.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7K3tNmY029658; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:55:24 -0300 Message-ID: <48AB95B0.5020705@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:55:28 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr, Chuck Norcutt Subject: [OM] Re: Help with xp sp2 ! References: <380-22008801725593@earthlink.net> <48A78EA4.9020400@adinet.com.uy> <20080816195447.6xnoqjk2okcc0kok@webmail.tuffmail.net> <48A7A510.6020200@adinet.com.uy> <48A7E089.7020408@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <48A7E089.7020408@chucknorcutt.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080819-0, 19/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy X-Spam-Status: No X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 05:55:47 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab95c347291342116753 Done, Chuck. Seems I'm on SP3, alive and well. And I do prefer Avast!, no doubt. Thanks a lot for your warning. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But why aren't you running SP3? I'd upgrade first before anything else. > > Chuck Norcutt > > ============================================== List usage info: http://www.zuikoholic.com List nannies: olympusadmin@ml.free.fr ============================================== From nilsf Wed Aug 20 05:58:48 2008 Received: (qmail 13655 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2008 03:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.free.fr) (212.27.60.41) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 03:58:47 -0000 Received: from ml-g19 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7C8C30AA; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:58:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list olympus); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:58:36 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: olympus@ml.free.fr Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E11C2951 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:58:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9124 invoked by uid 502); 20 Aug 2008 03:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (moose@71.139.193.23) by ns1.server290.com with ESMTPA; 20 Aug 2008 03:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <48AB9669.2050100@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:58:33 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@ml.free.fr Subject: [OM] Digitizing old film [was DianaF+ pinhole pinhole deal] References: <007a01c901a3$9bdc1a80$6601a8c0@hpd220> <1AA2C712-064A-4EC3-9556-677E54C58874@people.net.au> <4E630173941946B58EE40E4CAAF92612@hudson> <86C0E1B9-84F7-4756-BCB5-35041B8D18A1@people.net.au> <48AB4307.9050505@gmail.com> <48AB8573.3080006@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.42 Sender: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr Errors-To: olympus-owner@ml.free.fr X-original-sender: olymoose@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: olympus@ml.free.fr X-list: olympus X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 20 05:58:48 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9996 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 48ab9678214991073733319 Jim Nichols wrote: > Moose, > > You might consider the path that I took when we decided to digitize my late father-in-law's negatives, from 120 through split 5x7 portrait negatives. I bought an early Epson Perfection 2450 scanner off of the auction site. Thanks for the suggestion, Jim. I'm already set, though. I bought a used, but like new, Canon 9950F, which is roughly comparable in capability to the current high end Epson V700. It doesn't have a holder for 5x7, but I have nothing larger than 4x5 to scan. I've tried a few, and it does an excellent job with MF film at far less than its 4000 dpi maximum. I was also attracted by the ability to scan 5 strips of 35mm negs or 12 slides at once, for the project below. ,,. I still have a long way to go to finish the job, but the results are not bad at all. Much of my justification for buying the scanner was for scanning my and my fathers negs and slides. There is just a sea of them, and I just found another big box I had forgotten. Much of it will be junk, of course. But I've been amazed at the color and detail in scans of old negs from family snaps that were never seen except as 3" x 5 1/2", crappy prints, so I'm also sure there are gems hiding in the boxes. This will be a long term project. I need to do some more testing, to get software settings right, determine scanning dpi and bit depth for different ypes and ages of film, and so on. I've determined, for example, that anything over about 2000 dpi and 8 bit color is wasted on Kodachromes from the late 30 and early 40s - big grain and limited dynamic range. Oh yeah, uninspiring lens(es?) and frequent motion blur, too. It was slooow film. Then I plan to settle into a routine of sticking film in the scanner every day and scanning away, even if I don't look at them immediately. As disk space becomes cheaper, this becomes a practical approach. It seems easier to me than trying to peer at strips of negs that have become separated from their prints, trying to evaluate slides on a sorting table or setting up a projector and projecting endless slides and taking notes. Flipping through the scans using an indexing program and rating them as I view them seems the way to go and separate out the ones worth doing anything with. In the end, I plan to create DVD libraries for my brothers, sons, grandchildren, nieces and nephews. > As an added benefit, the scanner turns my computer into a copier and fax machine as a bonus. > I already had that with the prior scanner, and still do with the 9950F. Very handy. 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